MaxInDHouse:


Before the decree bring forth, before the day pass as the chaff, before the fierce anger of the LORD come upon you, before the day of the LORD'S anger come upon you.
Seek ye the LORD, all ye MEEK of the earth, which have wrought his judgment; seek righteousness, seek MEEKNESS: it may be ye shall be hid in the day of the LORD'S anger. Zephaniah 2:2-3



Blessed are the MEEK: for they shall inherit the earth. Matthew 5:5



There is no salvation for you if you're not MEEK!

A person twisted in their belief can make the Bible seem to say whatever aligns with their belief.

I once read on twitter where a priest loaded down with sin was quoting the part of the Bible that said David's love for Jonathan was like the love of a woman to fulfill his satanic assignment to promote same sex relationship in the church.

Here is Apostle Peter's comment on the issue of twisting Scriptures as seen in the book of 2nd Corinthians 3:15 and 16

15. and consider that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation--as also our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given to him, has written to you,
16. as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which untaught and unstable people twist to their own destruction, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures.

Max, you have been warned more than a thousand times to make a u-turn from your current trajectory as it leads to destruction.

Meekness as a quality will not save you. Your good works will not save you. If meekness could lead to your salvation then Christ died in vain because there are billions of people who don't know Christ but are meek. There is no other way to God but Jesus. The quality of meekness becomes necessary only after you have received Christ as your Saviour to be like Him. Christ is meek and if we are the body of Christ we all should also be meek. There is a difference.

CaptainJune:

Meekness as a quality will not save you.

Go and ARGUE with JESUS! Matthew 5:5

MaxInDHouse:


Second death! Revelations 20:14

Should I say that you not mentioning that Death and Hades gave up their dead is an oversight? It is like calling prisoners out to appear at their trial. If the prisoner was really, factually non-existent where would be the need to summon him? In that case, where were the dead before their sentencing to the Lake of fire?

You say that hell means the grave and that those who are dead know nothing but in this Scripture we see the dead being judged. I thought you said the dead know nothing so how come they are being judged?

Aemmyjah:
I wish you safe journey to your imaginary hellfire

lost false jw aemmy

i never said anything about hellfire, you people are so dum,
and of course you cannot stop lying ever, just like the devil:

Joh 8:44 You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, that is his natural way of speaking, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

johnw47:


lost false jw aemmy

i never said anything about hellfire, you people are so dum,
and of course you cannot stop lying ever, just like the devil:

Joh 8:44 You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, that is his natural way of speaking, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

Ur envy has been noticed
Enjoy your day

CaptainJune:

Should I say that you not mentioning that Death and Hades gave up their dead is an oversight? It is like calling prisoners out to appear at their trial. If the prisoner was really, factually non-existent where would be the need to summon him? In that case, where were the dead before their sentencing to the Lake of fire? You say that hell means the grave and that those who are dead know nothing but in this Scripture we see the dead being judged. I thought you said the dead know nothing so how come they are being judged?

There are two categories of dead people to be resurrected:
RIGHTEOUS ~ Ancient servants of God who lived and served God faithfully throughout their lives.
UNRIGHTEOUS ~ Unbelievers who lived by their God's given conscience without knowing God's laws. Act 24:15

Both will be brought back to life and Christians who never died {John 11:25-26} along with the Christians who resurrected first {1 Thessalonians 4:16} will start teaching all these people the law of Christ that's the time Satan will be imprisoned {Revelations 20:1-3} during all those 1,000 years there will be no religion to stand against the JWs globally as we will teach all resurrected once undisturbed for 1,000 years how Christ want the earth to be a peaceful planet under his rule as the Prince of Peace {Isaiah 2:2-4} it's after mankind has become perfect that Jesus will now release Satan to go about with his last effort to tempt not imperfect humans this time around but perfect humans!
At that time the blood of Jesus can't save anyone again because it was meant to save the imperfect descendants of Adam not perfect humans so whatever anyone chooses to become then will be the basis for judgment against each person. Revelations 20:11-13

At that time there is no more death nor graveyard {Revelations 20:14} because nobody will grow old, get sick or die under Christ's reign! Isaiah 33:24

So after Satan's final test whoever failed to put faith in the teachings of Christ and live accordingly will be destroyed for good along with death and graveyards there will be no such things again. Revelations 20:15

That's the meaning of the Lake of Fire!

Aemmyjah:
Ur envy has been noticed
Enjoy your day

lost false jw aemmy

to be envious of false jw's would be to be envious of habitual lying,
false accusing, paranoia, blasphemy, etc.etc.etc

it's impossible for you false jw's to ever stop lying, isn't it,
just like the devil:

Joh 8:44 You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, that is his natural way of speaking, for he is a liar and the father of lies.



you false jw habitual liars are really blinded to think you are saved:
2 Corinthians 4:4
In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them

Jesus is the truth, the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of truth, false jw aemmy is the liar:

Joh_14:6  Jesus said to him, I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me.

CaptainJune:


Lies! The Apostle Paul had a near death experience (NDE) he talked about in the book of 2nd Corinthians 12. This was after he was taken out of the city and stoned. He was left for dead. The Apostle John's experience was an OBE (Out of Body Experience). Everything he saw or did was done by his spirit while his body was left on earth. Stop spreading lies to support your ignorance of the Scriptures.

What's a near death experience,NDE?

What's also an out of body experience,OBE?

MaxInDHouse:


There are two categories of dead people to be resurrected:
RIGHTEOUS ~ Ancient servants of God who lived and served God faithfully throughout their lives.
UNRIGHTEOUS ~ Unbelievers who lived by their God's given conscience without knowing God's laws. Act 24:15

Both will be brought back to life and Christians who never died {John 11:25-26} along with the Christians who resurrected first {1 Thessalonians 4:16} will start teaching all these people the law of Christ that's the time Satan will be imprisoned {Revelations 20:1-3} during all those 1,000 years there will be no religion to stand against the JWs globally as we will teach all resurrected once undisturbed for 1,000 years how Christ want the earth to be a peaceful planet under his rule as the Prince of Peace {Isaiah 2:2-4} it's after mankind has become perfect that Jesus will now release Satan to go about with his last effort to tempt not imperfect humans this time around but perfect humans!
At that time the blood of Jesus can't save anyone again because it was meant to save the imperfect descendants of Adam not perfect humans so whatever anyone chooses to become then will be the basis for judgment against each person. Revelations 20:11-13

At that time there is no more death nor graveyard {Revelations 20:14} because nobody will grow old, get sick or die under Christ's reign! Isaiah 33:24

So after Satan's final test whoever failed to put faith in the teachings of Christ and live accordingly will be destroyed for good along with death and graveyards there will be no such things again. Revelations 20:15

That's the meaning of the Lake of Fire!

A complete departure from the truth as South is from the North. You JWs deny the power of God through the manifestations of the Presence and gifts of the Holy Spirit making your gathering a cemetery for the living, you deny the reality of the afterlife as the dangers of ignoring it...something the Bible has consistently mentioned, you deny the Word of God itself and support the perversion of the truth yet you have the guts...the guts to expect an eternity with the Almighty Father whom you have denied. It is the guts for me.

CaptainJune:


There are false NDEs circulating online by the agents of the devil aggressively pushing the notion that death is blissful and everyone who dies will experience peace and joy. Anything that contradicts the Scriptures and the teachings of Jesus is satanic deception. Do you think the devil would fold his hands, do nothing while people come to the truth of the reality of heaven and hell? Be wise. The enemy is always seeking who to devour.

What's false NDE?

Before the coming of Christianity to Africa our people were having NDE. It's nothing new and nothing to do with the gospel or the scripture..

Its a natural phenomenon anyone can experience.

You can't say that NDEs which contradicts the Bible is fake. You're saying so because you're a Christian.

If you were practicing Hinduism, you would have accepted the ones which agrees with its scripture, and rejected as fake the ones which contradicts it.Yes, that's the same thing you would have said.




The Bible doesn't contain any NDE experiences which matches the ones currently being reported everywhere or the ones in the op. So how did you then determine what's fake or genuine.

In fact, no one in the Bible reported an NDE where they went through a tunnel of light, meeting and embracing a light, and then visiting heaven or hell and coming back to report it to warn people of what awaits them after death if they don't repent.Nothing like that in the Bible.

So ,it's a lie to say that St Paul and John had an NDE . They never had it.


You think they had it because you don't know what an NDE is . It's not just having a close shave with death alone. It's much more than death.

In addition,seeing visions of what has happened in the past or what will happen in the future (John in the island of Patmos) while still in the body is not NDE.

And FYI, NDE is a kind of OBE. Using the two terms to mean the same thing exposes your ignorance of not knowing the difference..

triplechoice:


What's a near death experience,NDE?

What's also an out of body experience,OBE?

If you don't mind you could google it.

CaptainJune:


If you don't mind you could google it.

I asked you because I see you don't know it at all. You don't know the difference between NDE and OBE.

Asking me to Google is deflection .

CaptainJune:

A complete departure from the truth as South is from the North. You JWs deny the power of God through the manifestations of the Presence and gifts of the Holy Spirit making your gathering a cemetery for the living, you deny the reality of the afterlife as the dangers of ignoring it...something the Bible has consistently mentioned, you deny the Word of God itself and support the perversion of the truth yet you have the guts...the guts to expect an eternity with the Almighty Father whom you have denied. It is the guts for me.

With whatever you have try to make a global family of peace loving worshipers as promised in the Bible that faithful people will do in the last days because Jehovah's Witnesses have fulfilled that today! Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3

So your faith without such fine WORKS is DEAD!

triplechoice:


What's false NDE?

Before the coming of Christianity to Africa our people were having NDE. It's nothing new and nothing to do with the gospel or the scripture..

Its a natural phenomenon anyone can experience.

You can't say that NDEs which contradicts the Bible is fake. You're saying so because you're a Christian.

If you were practicing Hinduism, you would have accepted the ones which agrees with its scripture, and rejected as fake the ones which contradicts it.Yes, that's the same thing you would have said.



The Bible doesn't contain any NDE experiences which matches the ones currently being reported everywhere or the ones in the op. So how did you then determine what's fake or genuine.

In fact, no one in the Bible reported an NDE where they went through a tunnel of light, meeting and embracing a light, and then visiting heaven or hell and coming back to report it to warn people of what awaits them after death if they don't repent.Nothing like that in the Bible.

So ,it's a lie to say that St Paul's John's had an NDE . They never had it.

You think they had it because you don't know what an NDE is . It's not just having a close shave with death alone. It's much more than death.

In addition,seeing visions of what has happened in the past or what will happen in the future (John in the island of Patmos) while still in the body is not NDE.

And FYI, NDE is a kind of OBE. Using the two terms to mean the same thing exposes your ignorance of not knowing the difference..

You can do nothing against the truth but for the truth.

It wouldn't matter my religious background or upbringing. The truth is the truth is the truth. Even a lot of Christians are living in deception and bound for hell if they don't repent so it is not a matter of your religious background.

It times past, people lived in the darkness of ignorance and God permitted it because He knew the darkness would not last as the light of the truth in the face of the Lord Jesus Christ would shine and the darkness would flee.

But now that the Light has come men have shown themselves to love the darkness more than the Light.

Those who died before the gospel got to them are judged based on their works and conscience. How much more you who the light of the Gospel has been offered and you have rejected it?

Lastly, you said I used the terms NDE and OBE interchangeably. Nothing can be further from the truth. I told you why it is an NDE in the case of the Apostle Paul. Just google it and learn it.

triplechoice:


I asked you because I see you don't know it at all. You don't know the difference between NDE and OBE.

Asking me to Google is deflection .

If I had borrowed definition from google would it have been otherwise if I explained it to you? You have no business with argument.

MaxInDHouse:


With whatever you have try to make a global family of peace loving worshipers as promised in the Bible that faithful people will do in the last days because Jehovah's Witnesses have fulfilled that today! Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3

So your faith without such fine WORKS is DEAD!

Faith in who? God? Please tell.

Courz:


Yes I have seen those ones. I mentioned that in my earlier comment. There are NDE experiences of Heaven as well. I made this thread to simply show that Hell exists and that Ignorance is no excuse.

ABSOLUTE RUBBISH AND GARBAGE.

99% of NDE accounts are PLEASANT EXPERIENCES and do NOT mention anything like ‘Hell’.

These videos are PURE PROPAGANDA invented by Christians to HIJACK the TRUTH of transcendence, which has ZERO to do with religion or “Jesus”, your fake, non existent imported magician.

YOU SHOULD BE THOROUGHLY ASHAMED FOR SPREADING LIES AND FALSEHOOD.

CaptainJune:


If I had borrowed definition from google would it have been otherwise if I explained it to you? You have no business with argument.

This is gibberish . What you're saying please.

Define and explain what NDE or OBE is in your own words before bringing Google as support.

That's how to do it.

If you can't do that then you don't know. It's as simple as that.

CaptainJune:


You can do nothing against the truth but for the truth.

It wouldn't matter my religious background or upbringing. The truth is the truth is the truth. Even a lot of Christians are living in deception and bound for hell if they don't repent so it is not a matter of your religious background.

It times past, people lived in the darkness of ignorance and God permitted it because He knew the darkness would not last as the light of the truth in the face of the Lord Jesus Christ would shine and the darkness would flee.

But now that the Light has come men have shown themselves to love the darkness more than the Light.

Those who died before the gospel got to them are judged based on their works and conscience. How much more you who the light of the Gospel has been offered and you have rejected it?

Lastly, you said I used the terms NDE and OBE interchangeably. Nothing can be further from the truth. I told you why it is an NDE in the case of the Apostle Paul. Just google it and learn it.

What's the truth you're blabbing about?

So the good news you're asked to preach as a Christian is NDE and OBE?

The message of Christianity is the one of love and not that of fear you and your friends are spreading here . I know, because I was once a Christian.

You don't need to lie and use fear to draw people to Christianity. It's not needed..

And please, apostle Paul didn't not have a NDE experience. Having a close shave with death without the "subjective" experiences associated NDE is not the same thing.

Paul never reported any NDE experiences What he narrated in 2, Corinthians 12, was the vision he said God revealed to him about a man who found himself in the third heaven. And according to him, he wasn't sure if the man went there in his body or not. He wasn't certain. But in your desperation, you have interpreted it to mean what you want it to mean. You're lying. A Christian should not lie to promote Christianity.

If Paul had expressed certainty about how the man got there,then it would mean OBE and not NDE.

The Op is discussing NDE and not OBE. And it's because you don't know the difference, you brought in what is not relevant to the topic to cause confusion.

Stick to the Op please and provide instances of anyone in the Bible that had an NDE.

Who were those people in the Bible that went to heaven and hell and came back to warn others of what awaits them if they don't repent?


That's what you should answer for me if you want to.

triplechoice:



What's the truth you're blabbing about?

So the good news you're asked to preach as a Christian is NDE and OBE?

The message of Christianity is the one of love and not that of fear you and your friends are spreading here . I know, because I was once a Christian.

You don't need to lie and use fear to draw people to Christianity. It's not needed..

And please, apostle Paul didn't not have a NDE experience. Having a close shave with death without the "subjective" experiences associated NDE is not the same thing.

Paul never reported any NDE experiences What he narrated in 2, Corinthians 12, was the vision he said God revealed to him about a man who found himself in the third heaven. And according to him, he wasn't sure if the man went there in his body or not. He wasn't certain. But in your desperation, you have interpreted it to mean what you want it to mean. You're lying. A Christian should not lie to promote Christianity.

If Paul had expressed certainty about how the man got there,then it would mean OBE and not NDE.

The Op is discussing NDE and not OBE. And it's because you don't know the difference, you brought in what is not relevant to the topic to cause confusion.

Stick to the Op please and provide instances of anyone in the Bible that had an NDE.

Who were those people in the Bible that went to heaven and hell and came back to warn others of what awaits them if they don't repent?


That's what you should answer for me if you want to.

You don't want to learn. Have it your way.

CaptainJune:


You don't want to learn. Have it your way.

You don't have anything to teach, but lies and twisting the scripture .

If you don't know the difference between NDE and OBE, what can you teach anyone? Nothing.

There are no instances of anyone in the Christian Bible visiting heaven and hell and coming back to warn others of it. You and your friends are using lies and deception to promote Christianity. That's evil.

You better repent before you're sent to that same hell you're discussing here.

NDE transcends Christianity ..It doesn't validates it.

Aemmyjah:



OP is saying that people are always in hellfire
You're talking about an appointed time of judgment
You're not serious

God didn't tell us that there'll be no initial judgement before a general judgement. Take a clue from the parable of the Rich Man and Lazarus shared by the Lord Jesus.

MaxInDHouse:

The wages of sin is DEATH! Romans 6:23

If you have anything to ask point out the Bible verse and let's discuss on it!

This is the death the Bible is talking about:

Revelation 20:14

"Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire."

The lake of fire, that's the second death that is being referred - the wages of sin is death. Everyone dies, including the righteous, but only sinners die the second death because that's the wages of sin.

Revelation 21:8

"But for the cowardly and unbelieving and abominable and murderers and immoral persons and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.”

The lake that burns with fire and brimstone is the second death. That's the wages for murderers, immoral persons, the unbelieving and abominable and all sinners.

Revelation 2:11

"He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. He who overcomes will not be hurt by the second death."

Everyone dies the first death but only sinners die the second death.

Revelation 20:6

""Blessed and holy is the one who has a part in the first resurrection; over these the second death has no power, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with Him for a thousand years."

The second death has power over sinners, not the righteous.

You've ignored all of my previous questions. No single response for any.

FxMasterz:


This is the death the Bible is talking about:

Revelation 20:14

"Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire."

The lake of fire, that's the second death that is being referred - the wages of sin is death. Everyone dies, including the righteous, but only sinners die the second death because that's the wages of sin.

Revelation 21:8

"But for the cowardly and unbelieving and abominable and murderers and immoral persons and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.”

The lake that burns with fire and brimstone is the second death. That's the wages for murderers, immoral persons, the unbelieving and abominable and all sinners.

Revelation 2:11

"He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. He who overcomes will not be hurt by the second death."

Everyone dies the first death but only sinners die the second death.

Revelation 20:6

""Blessed and holy is the one who has a part in the first resurrection; over these the second death has no power, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with Him for a thousand years."

The second death has power over sinners, not the righteous.

You've ignored all of my previous questions. No single response for any.

Nice one. Loving your points directly from the Bible.

FxMasterz:


God didn't tell us that there'll be no initial judgement before a general judgement. Take a clue from the parable of the Rich Man and Lazarus shared by the Lord Jesus.

You're the one contradicting yourself
So continue

FxMasterz:


This is the death the Bible is talking about:

Revelation 20:14

"Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire."

The lake of fire, that's the second death that is being referred - the wages of sin is death. Everyone dies, including the righteous, but only sinners die the second death because that's the wages of sin.

Revelation 21:8

"But for the cowardly and unbelieving and abominable and murderers and immoral persons and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.”

The lake that burns with fire and brimstone is the second death. That's the wages for murderers, immoral persons, the unbelieving and abominable and all sinners.

Revelation 2:11

"He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. He who overcomes will not be hurt by the second death."

Everyone dies the first death but only sinners die the second death.

Revelation 20:6

""Blessed and holy is the one who has a part in the first resurrection; over these the second death has no power, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with Him for a thousand years."

The second death has power over sinners, not the righteous.

You've ignored all of my previous questions. No single response for any.

I like how you ignore Rev 20:14
Can death be fast into a literal fire?

FxMasterz, there is something I have noticed with how JWS quote verses. Watchtower deliberately picked John 5 Vs 28 to back up their Resurection doctrine. JWs are taught that the dead will be waiting in the tomb until Jesus comes to resurrect them. That's why verse 28 is picked. But they don't read verse 24 and 25.

In Verse 24, Jesus said that the righteous who believed in him will not be judged. They have skipped judgement and will be taken straight to Life everlasting.

In Verse 25, Jesus says The time is coming and The Time is Now, when the dead will hear his voice and come to life. Jesus is telling us that the resurrection has already started at the moment he said it. This explains why in the Lazarus and The rich man story, Lazarus died and was taken to the bossom of Abraham while the Rich man died and went to a place of torment. This is why Jesus also told the Thief beside him while they were hanged that Today you will be with me in Paradise. And there are verses where Paradise was used to describe Heaven.

JWs are not taught this. They are taught that even if they are righteous now, they still have to prove themselves again in the future. No grace. They are not taught that Resurrection is immediate because they don't believe they are going to Heaven.

This is why it is good to read the Bible. Don't just select specific verses. John 5 verse 25 has proven that Near Death Experiences are True.

When you check the JW Bible to read the Luke verse below, there is a deliberate shift in position of the comma before the word Today. Let the JWs try to counter me on this and I will say exactly why they did It. This is why people say their Bibles are twisted to suit their doctrines. When the comma is before the word Today, as displayed by other translations, the message says one thing. When the comma is after Today, the message says another thing.

Compare JW Bible and the translations below. Their Kingdom interlinear showing the Greek translation and the translation below it correctly places the comma where It is supposed to be. But their Bible places the comma after the word Today thereby Changing the message in that verse. I have seen many discrepancies in their Bible when comparing with other translations and sometimes with their Kingdom intelinear. Sometimes, they will touch the Kingdom interlinear and do some tweaking. This is why their Bible is not regarded as Reliable. You can't find their Bible in any site for Different Translations.

FxMasterz:

Everyone dies, including the righteous, but only sinners die the second death because that's the wages of sin.

Death is the wages of sin means whether you're righteous or not since you inherited sin through Adamic sin you must pay the price.
That's the FIRST death.
But the SECOND death only things God doesn't have in his purposes will DIE.
For instance DEATH and GRAVE (Hell) aren't part of God's purpose so they must return to non-existent {Revelations 20:14} and as for those whose names aren't found in God's memory book for a remembrance of their fine WORKS will also return to non-existent! Revelations 20:15

That's the import of what you're reading!

CaptainJune:

Faith in who? God? Please tell.

Your faith without VISIBLE WORKS is DEAD! James 2:26

Most religions do claim they are performing signs but to what avails?

What God promised as the goal of pure worship is a global family of peace loving worshipers {Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3} that's what Jesus' teachings should produce among believers in God's word.
Only JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES are producing that fruit today! Matthew 7:16-18
So if your faith with all your signs can't work out such fine WORKS then it's useless! Matthew 7:21-23

MaxInDHouse:


Death is the wages of sin means whether you're righteous or not since you inherited sin through Adamic sin you must pay the price.
That's the FIRST death.
But the SECOND death only things God doesn't have in his purposes will DIE.
For instance DEATH and GRAVE (Hell) aren't part of God's purpose so they must return to non-existent {Revelations 20:14} and as for those whose names aren't found in God's memory book for a remembrance of their fine WORKS will also return to non-existent! Revelations 20:15

That's the import of what you're reading!

This is very lovely
Very very lovely