Aemmyjah:

This is very lovely
Very very lovely

When you meet faithless people who are claiming they believe because they want to see others suffering i laugh at them.
Can you imagine one of them said he would be evil if there is no Hellfire which means there is no love for God in him talkless of love for his neighbours what is holding him back is the threat of been tormented in Hellfire!

MaxInDHouse:
Before the decree bring forth, before the day pass as the chaff, before the fierce anger of the LORD come upon you, before the day of the LORD'S anger come upon you.
Seek ye the LORD, all ye MEEK of the earth, which have wrought his judgment; seek righteousness, seek MEEKNESS: it may be ye shall be hid in the day of the LORD'S anger. Zephaniah 2:2-3
Blessed are the MEEK: for they shall inherit the earth. Matthew 5:5 [/b]
There is no salvation for you if you're not MEEK!

lost false jw mad max

u a blasphemer of the Holy Spirit will not inherit the earth
no matter how much you fool yourself that you are meek:

Mat 12:31 Therefore I say unto you, Every sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men; but the blasphemy against the Holy Spirit shall not be forgiven.
Mat 12:32  And whoever may speak a word against the Son of Man it will be forgiven to him, but whoever may speak against the Holy Spirit, it will not be forgiven him, neither in this age, nor in that which is coming.

Courz:


Nice one. Loving your points directly from the Bible.

Thanks brother.

Courz:
FxMasterz, there is something I have noticed with how JWS quote verses. Watchtower deliberately picked John 5 Vs 28 to back up their Resurection doctrine. JWs are taught that the dead will be waiting in the tomb until Jesus comes to resurrect them. That's why verse 28 is picked. But they don't read verse 24 and 25.

In Verse 24, Jesus said that the righteous who believed in him will not be judged. They have skipped judgement and will be taken straight to Life everlasting.

In Verse 25, Jesus says The time is coming and The Time is Now, when the dead will hear his voice and come to life. Jesus is telling us that the resurrection has already started at the moment he said it. This explains why in the Lazarus and The rich man story, Lazarus died and was taken to the bossom of Abraham while the Rich man died and went to a place of torment. This is why Jesus also told the Thief beside him while they were hanged that Today you will be with me in Paradise. And there are verses where Paradise was used to describe Heaven.

JWs are not taught this. They are taught that even if they are righteous now, they still have to prove themselves again in the future. No grace. They are not taught that Resurrection is immediate because they don't believe they are going to Heaven.

This is why it is good to read the Bible. Don't just select specific verses. John 5 verse 25 has proven that Near Death Experiences are True.

Wow.

So, they do selective interpretation of the Bible to suit what they want to tell their followers. I see.

Thank you for reminding me that Jesus told the thief on His right hand that "Today, you shall be with me in paradise." That's a good reference for Aemmyjah.

"faith without works is dead"

of course the saved do good works, God sees to that, God does many works in the saved through the Holy Spirit.

works of God in us, is helping others in need, is improving our character/stop lying, stop fornicating etc.
we are not saved by works, God does works in us because He has saved us.

we are saved by God through faith, we are not saved by works as many boast, which is self righteousness

Eph 2:8  For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; 
Eph 2:9  not as a result of works, so that no one may boast.

MaxInDHouse:


Death is the wages of sin means whether you're righteous or not since you inherited sin through Adamic sin you must pay the price.
That's the FIRST death.
But the SECOND death only things God doesn't have in his purposes will DIE.
For instance DEATH and GRAVE (Hell) aren't part of God's purpose so they must return to non-existent {Revelations 20:14} and as for those whose names aren't found in God's memory book for a remembrance of their fine WORKS will also return to non-existent! Revelations 20:15

That's the import of what you're reading!

This is Revelation 20:15

"And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire. "

You mean you have changed 'lake of fire's to 'non existent'? Are you not deceiving yourself?

So lake of fire is the same as 'non existent' '?

This is what the Lord Jesus said would happen there:

"And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched: Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched."

Does the above look like "non existent" to you?

Mathew 13:42-43
"The Son of man shall send forth his Angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity, And shall cast them into a furnace of fire. There shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth."

Do you mean when people are wailing and gnashing their teeth, they're non existent? So, non existent people are going to be wailing and gnashing their teeth as said by the Lord Jesus in that scripture above?

Aemmyjah:



I like how you ignore Rev 20:14
Can death be fast into a literal fire?

Revelation 20:14
"And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

Yes death can be cast into literal fire because death is a spirit. It is called the spirit of death.


Revelation 6:8

"I looked, and there before me was a pale horse! Its rider was called Death, and Hades was following close behind him. They were given power over a fourth of the earth to kill by sword, famine and plague, and by the wild beasts of the earth."

There is the Spirit of Life, and there is the Spirit of Death. The spirit of death would be cast into the fire. After which there shall be no more death.

Aemmyjah:



You're the one contradicting yourself
So continue

Can you please show me how I contradicted myself?

God didn't tell us in full details about the events of the afterlife. However He told us there few things:

1. There'll be judgement

2. There's hell and there's a lake of fire.

3. There's a resurrection of the dead, some to eternal life and some to eternal damnation.

We don't know if there's going to be judgement before the general white throne judgement.

But we know that the rich man in the Lazarus story was already in hell. We also know that Jesus told the thief on the cross that "Today, you shall be with me in paradise."

FxMasterz:


Revelation 20:14
"And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

Yes death can be cast into literal fire because death is a spirit. It is called the spirit of death.


Revelation 6:8

"I looked, and there before me was a pale horse! Its rider was called Death, and Hades was following close behind him. They were given power over a fourth of the earth to kill by sword, famine and plague, and by the wild beasts of the earth."

There is the Spirit of Life, and there is the Spirit of Death. The spirit of death would be cast into the fire. After which there shall be no more death.

Just like hunger and war is a spirit na
Were they not riding horses too
Just be deceiving yourself

FxMasterz:


Wow.

So, they do selective interpretation of the Bible to suit what they want to tell their followers. I see.

Thank you for reminding me that Jesus told the thief on His right hand that "Today, you shall be with me in paradise." That's a good reference for Aemmyjah.

There's nothing good that guy has
Everyone in NL knows him already to be a blackmailer and liar and propagandist and that is why he has several moniker including a female one.

Did Jesus go to paradise on the day he died
Was it not same you that I quoted that Jesus was in Hades but not abandoned there
Did Jesus himself not tell Mary Magdalene that he has not yet ascended and ealier told the Jews that he'll give them a sign just like Jonah?
Did you not say there's an appointed time for the resurrection of the dead? Is it on that same day


Just de play
It's your own type of IQ that listens to that malicious liar

FxMasterz:


Can you please show me how I contradicted myself?

God didn't tell us in full details about the events of the afterlife. However He told us there few things:

1. There'll be judgement

2. There's hell and there's a lake of fire.

3. There's a resurrection of the dead, some to eternal life and some to eternal damnation.

We don't know if there's going to be judgement before the general white throne judgement.

But we know that the rich man in the Lazarus story was already in hell. We also know that Jesus told the thief on the cross that "Today, you shall be with me in paradise."

1. When is the judgment? Immediately after death or in the future?

2. What is hell? Are people being fast into the lake lof fire or later

3. The resurrection occurs immediately at death or in the future?

FxMasterz:

This is Revelation 20:15

"And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire. "

You mean you have changed 'lake of fire's to 'non existent'? Are you not deceiving yourself?

So lake of fire is the same as 'non existent' '?

Are death and Hell living creatures to be taken to lake of fire for tormenting?
When we tell you the meaning of scriptures you want literal meaning oya make sense out of what you're saying nah!
DEATH and HELL both conditions not part of God's purpose for mankind were thrown into the lake of fire then the Bible said the lake of fire means the second death yet you're not getting the sense.
Guy if that's what's holding you back from evil deeds you better do whatever your soul crave {Ecclesiastes 9:10} because there is no punishment after death it's either you live or you die that's the two options God gave Adam and Eve! Genesis 2:17

Aemmyjah:

1. When is the judgment? Immediately after death or in the future?
2. What is hell? Are people being fast into the lake lof fire or later
3. The resurrection occurs immediately at death or in the future?

According to their pastors each individual will stand up before a court and start telling stories so that they will be sentenced but at the same time those who died as evildoers has been sent to Hell before the day of judgement o!
When Jesus said those who refuse to accept the message of peace with all the vivid evidences has already been judged! John 3:18
Doesn't that tell any intelligent person that the so called JUDGEMENT DAY is totally something different from what humans think?

FxMasterz:


Wow.

So, they do selective interpretation of the Bible to suit what they want to tell their followers. I see.

Thank you for reminding me that Jesus told the thief on His right hand that "Today, you shall be with me in paradise." That's a good reference for Aemmyjah.

Yes. Their leaders are obsessed with having doctrines that are not Biblical and do not conform with the rest of Christianity in the name of being different from others. So, they do their best to come up with imaginations and then find verses that can support those imaginations. In the process, too many errors are made so that they keep changing their doctrines every few years. This is the price for not allowing the Holy Spirit to teach you. Their leaders have admitted that they make mistakes and are not inspired by the Holy Spirit. If someone makes this admission, you should be sensible enough to take their doctrines with a grain of Salt. But because JWs are brainwashed with fear and forced to accept these errors so that they are not shunned or disfellowshipped, they follow their leaders to the pit.

Their Bible is heavily manipulated to suit their doctrines. They have to do this so that they can mislead JWs. I just showed you a good example of that. Ask a JW to explain the Lazarus and Rich Man story by using the Bible only as a source, they will give you imaginations. When they pick verses, they don't read the context. That's not how to read the Bible. There are many verses that prove many of their doctrines wrong. But JWs ignore these verses. You showed several verses to them, they ignored all of them and kept presenting you the selected verses by their leaders. JWS are not interested in the Bible. They are only interested in the Bible verses with manipulated interpretation from their leaders.

Aemmyjah:




Just de play
It's your own type of IQ that listens to that malicious liar

Mumu Fornicator Aemmyjah, explain why your NWT Bible is different from the other translations in the verse below. There is a very obvious manipulation of Scripture in this verse. Why did your Leaders write the verse this way to give a completely different message? Do you understand the punishment that will come from God for doing this despicable act?

MaxInDHouse:

Are death and Hell living creatures to be taken to lake of fire for tormenting?
When we tell you the meaning of scriptures you want literal meaning oya make sense out of what you're saying nah!
DEATH and HELL both conditions not part of God's purpose for mankind were thrown into the lake of fire then the Bible said the lake of fire means the second death yet you're not getting the sense.
Guy if that's what's holding you back from evil deeds you better do whatever your soul crave {Ecclesiastes 9:10} because there is no punishment after death it's either you live or you die that's the two options God gave Adam and Eve! Genesis 2:17

So, you now admit that Hades is Hell. Because if Hades Is truly grave in that verse, Death will not be mentioned along with It. That would be Tautology. Since Death and Hades were mentioned, it means they are two different things.

Aemmyjah:



1. When is the judgment? Immediately after death or in the future?

2. What is hell? Are people being fast into the lake lof fire or later

3. The resurrection occurs immediately at death or in the future?

Why was Lazarus carried by the Angels to the Bossom of Abraham, depicting Heaven, after he died and was buried and. why was the Rich Man in torment in Hades after he died and was buried? Remember, Jesus uses Real life situations to teach. And Why did Jesus tell the Thief beside him before they died that Today you will be with me in paradise. Jesus said Today not Future. Today. Don't give me those very poor imaginations from Watchtower.

FxMasterz, Another example of manipulation of Scripture by Watchtower Bible and Tract Society. Look at the same verse about the Rich Man in their Bible below. They went to put the word Grave but also the word Torment is written along side it. So, Fornicator Aemmyjah and Mad MaxinDhouse, I thought you JWs are taught that Nothing occurs in the Grave. The dead don't feel anything. So you say. Why is the word Torment in the same sentence with Grave? By manipulation of this verse , Watchtower is trying to tell you JWS that Torture happens in the Grave and the Dead feel something. Can you see why following a group of Men blindly will lead you to the pit?

Watchtower forgot to think properly when manipulating this verse because this verse actually goes against your doctrine. This is in your Bible o. Not only did they have the guts to put the word Grave when other translations used Hades, Hell and Sheol, they also forgot that the word Torment completely makes the presence of the word Grave useless. This is what happens when you become so proud and have the guts to change verses to suit your doctrine. There is no way that you won't make mistakes while doing this. This is why you JWs keep having your Bibles revised after every few years so that they can add more manipulations in it.

Fornicator Aemmyjah and Mad MaxinDhouse, come and explain this very obvious manipulation of Scripture. What does it take for your Watchtower leaders to just translate words as they appear instead of fixing words in there to suit the Lies they want to feed you. Does Grave and Torment go together? Judgement from God for this despicable act is doing press up.

Courz:
FxMasterz, Another example of manipulation of Scripture by Watchtower Bible and Tract Society. Look at the same verse about the Rich Man in their Bible below. They went to put the word Grave but also the word Torment is written along side it. So, Fornicator Aemmyjah and Mad MaxinDhouse, I thought you JWs are taught that Nothing occurs in the Grave. The dead don't feel anything. So you say. Why is the word Torment in the same sentence with Grave? By manipulation of this verse , Watchtower is trying to tell you JWS that Torture happens in the Grave and the Dead feel something. Can you see why following a group of Men blindly will lead you to the pit?

Watchtower forgot to think properly when manipulating this verse because this verse actually goes against your doctrine. This is in your Bible o. Not only did they have the guts to put the word Grave when other translations used Hades, Hell and Sheol, they also forgot that the word Torment completely makes the presence of the word Grave useless. This is what happens when you become so proud and have the guts to change verses to suit your doctrine. There is no way that you won't make mistakes while doing this. This is why you JWs keep having your Bibles revised after every few years so that they can add more manipulations in it.

Fornicator Aemmyjah and Mad MaxinDhouse, come and explain this very obvious manipulation of Scripture. What does it take for your Watchtower leaders to just translate words as they appear instead of fixing words in there to suit the Lies they want to feed you. Does Grave and Torment go together? Judgement from God for this despicable act is doing press up.

Thank you Courz for bringing this to the fore.

Aemmyjah and Maxindhouse, do you think torments happen in the grave?

Courz:


Yes. Their leaders are obsessed with having doctrines that are not Biblical and do not conform with the rest of Christianity in the name of being different from others. So, they do their best to come up with imaginations and then find verses that can support those imaginations. In the process, too many errors are made so that they keep changing their doctrines every few years. This is the price for not allowing the Holy Spirit to teach you. Their leaders have admitted that they make mistakes and are not inspired by the Holy Spirit. If someone makes this admission, you should be sensible enough to take their doctrines with a grain of Salt. But because JWs are brainwashed with fear and forced to accept these errors so that they are not shunned or disfellowshipped, they follow their leaders to the pit.

Their Bible is heavily manipulated to suit their doctrines. They have to do this so that they can mislead JWs. I just showed you a good example of that. Ask a JW to explain the Lazarus and Rich Man story by using the Bible only as a source, they will give you imaginations. When they pick verses, they don't read the context. That's not how to read the Bible. There are many verses that prove many of their doctrines wrong. But JWs ignore these verses. You showed several verses to them, they ignored all of them and kept presenting you the selected verses by their leaders. JWS are not interested in the Bible. They are only interested in the Bible verses with manipulated interpretation from their leaders.

Then, they're the enemies of their own souls.

It's foolishness to be loyal to a leader or leaders without considering the eternal destination of your soul. Why should anyone prefer lies to truths just because the lies were spoken by some so called men of God? JW is undoubtedly a satanic organization.

MaxInDHouse:

Are death and Hell living creatures to be taken to lake of fire for tormenting?
When we tell you the meaning of scriptures you want literal meaning oya make sense out of what you're saying nah!
DEATH and HELL both conditions not part of God's purpose for mankind were thrown into the lake of fire then the Bible said the lake of fire means the second death yet you're not getting the sense.
Guy if that's what's holding you back from evil deeds you better do whatever your soul crave {Ecclesiastes 9:10} because there is no punishment after death it's either you live or you die that's the two options God gave Adam and Eve! Genesis 2:17

My friend, no punishment after death? That's the most satanic pronouncement I have ever heard. And of cause, no other person can tell you that but Satan. My friend, embrace the truth. Jesus said the Rich man was suffering in hell. Are your leaders the liars or Jesus Christ?

Revelation 6:8

"And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth."

Death is a spirit my guy.

Infact the Bible says:

"The last enemy to be destroyed is death." 1 Cor. 15:26

By casting death and hell into the lake of fire, 1 Corinthians 15:26 is fulfilled.

Think about it my friend. How else can death be your enemy if it is just a condition? Can a condition ride on horses?

FxMasterz:


Then, they're the enemies of their own souls.

It's foolishness to be loyal to a leader or leaders without considering the eternal destination of your soul. Why should anyone prefer lies to truths just because the lies were spoken by some so called men of God? JW is undoubtedly a satanic organization.

Exactly. They are enemies of their own souls. Imagine allowing a Group of people to Lie to you about where you will go after Death. This is one of the biggest deceptions because you will be led astray and you will go to the same destination they are going. This is why I pity Jehovah's Witnesses. They are being led to the slaughter and Satan will be very pleased. They are brainwashed to accept that they will go to Hades/Hell after Death. They don't know that Watchtower being a Satanic Cult has deceived them to accept Destruction.

Aemmyjah:



1. When is the judgment? Immediately after death or in the future?

2. What is hell? Are people being fast into the lake lof fire or later

3. The resurrection occurs immediately at death or in the future?

These questions don't disprove anything. We don't even need the answers to them.

The Bible clearly teaches that hell is a place of torment for evil doers. The rich man was in hell. The thief on Christ's right hand on the cross was to meet Jesus in paradise same day. Who's lying? Jesus or your leaders?

FxMasterz:

My friend, no punishment after death? That's the most satanic pronouncement I have ever heard. And of cause, no other person can tell you that but Satan. My friend, embrace the truth. Jesus said the Rich man was suffering in hell. Are your leaders the liars or Jesus Christ?
Revelation 6:8
"And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth."
Death is a spirit my guy.
Infact the Bible says:
"The last enemy to be destroyed is death." 1 Cor. 15:26
By casting death and hell into the lake of fire, 1 Corinthians 15:26 is fulfilled.
Think about it my friend. How else can death be your enemy if it is just a condition? Can a condition ride on horses?

Who created the spirit called death?
And whose will is he/she/it doing?

Since death will also be casted into the lake of fire where all enemies of God are thrown!

Aemmyjah:


Just like hunger and war is a spirit na
Were they not riding horses too
Just be deceiving yourself

Would you please show me the scriptures where hunger and war were riding horses? I mean the name of a horse rider called hunger or war.

FxMasterz:

These questions don't disprove anything. We don't even need the answers to them.
The Bible clearly teaches that hell is a place of torment for evil doers. The rich man was in hell. The thief on Christ's right hand on the cross was to meet Jesus in paradise same day. Who's lying? Jesus or your leaders?

And DEATH and HELL were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. Revelation 20:14

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=bible.kingjamesbiblelite

HELL is a place but DEATH it's companion is a spirit shey?

MaxInDHouse:


Who created the spirit called death?
And whose will is he/she/it doing?

Since death will also be casted into the lake of fire where all enemies of God are thrown!

The spirit of death entered the world through sin. It shall be captured and cast into the lake of fire, and then, death shall be no more. Men shall live forever.

MaxInDHouse:



And DEATH and HELL were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. Revelation 20:14

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=bible.kingjamesbiblelite

HELL is a place but DEATH it's companion is a spirit shey?

Are you saying a condition shall be cast into the lake of fire?

Hell is a place. Death is a spirit. The lake of fire is a larger fire than the place called hell.

Consider hell as a kind of large burning coal pot. Consider the lake of fire as a large expansive fireplace. Consider the burning coal pot being cast into the large fireplace.

Hell being cast into the lake of fire only tells you that its a movable fireplace. There's no way you can cast a condition in the fire. A condition also cannot ride a horse. Death is a spirit. Not a condition.

FxMasterz:

The spirit of death entered the world through sin. It shall be captured and cast into the lake of fire, and then, death shall be no more. Men shall live forever.

So for the first time this spirit's gender is unknown shey?
No wahala, oya who CREATED it and for what purpose?

FxMasterz:


Are you saying a condition shall be cast into the lake of fire?

Hell is a place. Death is a spirit. The lake of fire is a larger fire than the place called hell.

Consider hell as a kind of large burning coal pot. Consider the lake of fire as a large expensive fireplace. Consider the burning coal pot being cast into the large fireplace.

Hell bring cast into the lake of fire only tells you that its a movable fireplace. There's no way you can cast a condition in the fire. A condition also cannot ride a horse. Death is a spirit. Not a condition.

Hmmmmmmmmmm mental gymnastics!

So HELL is a place but DEATH is a spirit please is it a male or female spirit?

MaxInDHouse:

So for the first time this spirit's gender is unknown shey?
No wahala, oya who CREATED it and for what purpose?

A spirit is a spirit. What problems do you have with its gender? See the gender below:

"And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him."

MaxInDHouse:


Hmmmmmmmmmm mental gymnastics!

So HELL is a place but DEATH is a spirit please is it a male or female spirit?

Where's the mental gymnastic? Look at all the numerous mental gymnastics you do.

Death's gender? Answered in a recent post.