meexteriox:

@lucabrasi
Yeah, you've made your point.
Now my candid advice, come and stay in Lagos for one week and really go round the city.
We cannot be satisfied or fooled with mere flash in the pan because we want to embrace
development by all means. No man can be a patriot on an empty stomach. CCTV my foot.

to prove what exactly?from my comments you will realise that i am being a realist,while people have to eat i agree with you,but will the cost of ten thousand cctvs solve all the problems of feeding??
all i am doing is analysing the benefits of cctv in a place like lagos, maybe you have not experienced armed robbery before,thats why you dont see anything of benefit in it,ask people who have had an experience of "one chance"as they are commonly called,
ask people who have experienced the snatching of bags on motorcycles,
what dyu think happens to all the halogen in the street lights, making nit possible for girls/women to be dragged into buildings and raped,

unless your alternative is for fashola to completely ignore "development by all means"and use the money for feeding then what?the mobile snatching,one chance,rapes,vandalism e.t.c continues?

one must learn to walk,
so he may run

what happened to the most basic issues facing every lagosian?
housing, electricity/power, transport (traffic issues, horrible roads, undefined road usage rules, etc) street lights, et al

chai, na wa o.
i doubt that this is a solution to lagos security issues

@roodest

roodest:

one must learn to walk,
so he may run

what happened to the most basic issues facing every lagosian?
housing, electricity/power, transport (traffic issues, horrible roads, undefined road usage rules, etc) street lights, et al

chai, na wa o.
i doubt that this is a solution to lagos security issues

Thanks my brother, exactly what I've been saying.

@Lucabrasi
Do i have to experience arm robbery first hand to know what it means?
Places where they have this things also have very efficient Police Force to
utilize the information obtained from CCTV. Does Lagos have the kind of Police Force that can match
this technology?

There are so many issues for Fashola to tackle, so many. I'm talking about basic amenities/utilities
that have malfunction decades back.
Let him start from there.

meexteriox:



@Lucabrasi
Do i have to experience arm robbery first hand to know what it means?
Places where they have this things also have very efficient Police Force to
utilize the information obtained from CCTV. Does Lagos have the kind of Police Force that can match
this technology?

it doesnt have to be manned by the police force which we know is corrupt anyway,thats the beauty of it,do you realise that security outfits in the western world sucessfully protect and serve as a deterent to criminals without the police?especially in americqa where one of the most frightening scenes for me was seeing an ordinary security with a side arm, i only used armed robbery as an analogy,the point here is that while you might not see security and detterent as priority,anyone that has had an experience of these things will disagree with you

meexteriox:





There are so many issues for Fashola to tackle, so many. I'm talking about basic amenities/utilities
that have malfunction decades back.
Let him start from there.

of course there are many issues fashola has to tackle,is he not tackling them?
is the cctv the only thing he has done since he came to power?
is fashola responsible for the federal government's obligations as well?seems as if you havent read your own country's constitution,go and check the infrastructures the states are responsible for and what the federal government is responsible for before you blame fashola for everything.

when we had governors who stole the state blind without doing anything,we didnt complain now we have someone actually doing something,in addittion installing cctv security not just because of lagosians butto attract the multi nationals and western businesses,tourists to lagos,

ill ask you again even though you didnt answer me the first time
will the amount used in installing and servicing 10,000 cctvs in lagos state solve all these problems you have catalogued?
will the cost of these cctv s be beneficial to lagosians as a whole including traders who have to move money around,lagosians going for4 night vigil,parties,clubs,victims of robbery on third mainland,banks e.t.c

will the cctv serve the interests of tourism to an extent in assuring potential tourists or not?
dont forget the demographics the lagos state government are trying to attract with the lekki free trade zone,you think they will spend a penny of their money or come to lagos without innovations such as these?
rather than seeing the cup half full,try and be objective by asking yourself if the benefits will outweigh the cost or the other way round, check the costs against the lives that have been lost to armed robbery,one chance in lagos,against the potential tourism returns e.t.c

I don't even care any more. As long as these very BASIC issues are not resolves, nobody can tell me nothing.
Housing, electricity, transport (traffic issues, horrible roads, undefined road usage rules, etc) street lights, hospitals, pollution, water et al

Point 1.  in the USA, CCTV in public areas is manned by police. Every other security outfit there that is privately manned can only function on private property, AKA may-guard, who by the way also carry guns in Nigeria. The government DOES NOT source the security of the people to private entities. Can we please get facts Straight.

Point 2. Lagos State Governor is not going to be directly involved in buying or maintaining the CCTVS. Turns out the government is only announcing to people that they need to start installing and maintaining CCTVS on their properties for their own sakes. So, this is not really Fashola accomplishing anything order than telling the citizens and companies that maybe CCTV could serve as upgrade to burglary-proof doors and windows. So all dreams of the WONDERS OF CCTV may as well be put in the same folder as those that belong to BURGLARY-PROOFING windows and doors or even using Juju to man the doors till further information is obtained on the issue as to exactly what part the privately owned and installed CCTVS will help government.

You know, let's even put the issue of CCTV on ice whether it's going to work nor not. But for God's sake, it's not rocket science to see that the masses are still living from hand to mouth. What's the big deal in dealing with that?

Kobojunkie:

Point 1.  in the USA, CCTV in public areas is manned by police. Every other security outfit there that is privately manned can only function on private property, AKA may-guard, who by the way also carry guns in Nigeria. The government DOES NOT source the security of the people to private entities. Can we please get facts Straight.

Point 2. Lagos State Governor is not going to be directly involved in buying or maintaining the CCTVS. Turns out the government is only announcing to people that they need to start installing and maintaining CCTVS on their properties for their own sakes. So, this is not really Fashola accomplishing anything order than telling the citizens and companies that maybe CCTV could serve as upgrade to burglary-proof doors and windows. So all dreams of the WONDERS OF CCTV may as well be put in the same folder as those that belong to BURGLARY-PROOFING windows and doors or even using Juju to man the doors till further information is obtained on the issue as to exactly what part the privately owned and installed CCTVS will help government.

You got that from the response of the online chat? Seems quite speculative cos i got something different. The mention of a data base shows it is probably more than advertising CCTV sales. It also said not all funds will be provided by government, suggesting government will provide some funds and hence have some sort of investment in the scheme. What i got from the response was simply a system whereby comapnies are encouraged to invest in CCTV, government links these cctvs to a database.

B.O.S.S.:

You know, let's even put the issue of CCTV on ice whether it's going to work nor not. But for God's sake, it's not rocket science to see that the masses are still living from hand to mouth. What's the big deal in dealing with that?

You keep on arguing along this line of reasoning. Do you want the government to start handing out cash? The most effective way for a state with limited resources to provide money and hence food for the people is to provide opportunities to make a decent living. Opportunities that come through investments and growth in different sectors and hence job creation. Oppurtunities that come from an environment that allows people to be able to start up viable businesses, etc. Such an environment needs to be present for such to occur. Lagos government is not funding the whole CCTV thing so what are you getting at please? It is not about you being against this or not, but at least present the whole picture. Its like somebody faulting the mayor of new york on wasting funds on a building being built by private investors. Security is an issue and if criminals know that they can be caught and properly investigated then that surely in itself could serve as a form of deterrent. The issue should be about how to create an effective monitoring of the cameras and utilising such a facility in fighting crime. The whole success stands on the monitoring centre which has not yet being built.

TextCast: Fashola, thank you Wale
TextCast: the governor has jyust been askec about cctv]
TextCast: fashola: I don;t agree that we are wasting money on CCTv
TextCast: the biggest challagnes apart form transport are security
TextCast: : We have inadequate number of police officer
TextCast: : for 6 million people
TextCast: : In any event the number of cameras we are putting in will not all be funded by Lagos State gov
TextCast: : we will be providing cameras for anyone, the supplier will install the equipment adn connect someone to teh database
TextCast: : using technology to improve thes security

How do you reconcile what you posted in response to the above? @SkyBlue. And please, let us QUIT trying to add fantastic edges to news we get and stick to what we have, because I just had someone blow smoke up my wazoo! last week, only for me to find out that the CCTV plan is no where near or close to the fancy tale the dude was trying to pump me up with. For all I care, this could be Google Inc supplying and installing this for all I know.

Kobojunkie:

Point 1.  in the USA, CCTV in public areas is manned by police. Every other security outfit there that is privately manned can only function on private property, AKA may-guard, who by the way also carry guns in Nigeria. The government DOES NOT source the security of the people to private entities. Can we please get facts Straight.

Point 2. Lagos State Governor is not going to be directly involved in buying or maintaining the CCTVS. Turns out the government is only announcing to people that they need to start installing and maintaining CCTVS on their properties for their own sakes. So, this is not really Fashola accomplishing anything order than telling the citizens and companies that maybe CCTV could serve as upgrade to burglary-proof doors and windows. So all dreams of the WONDERS OF CCTV may as well be put in the same folder as those that belong to BURGLARY-PROOFING windows and doors or even using Juju to man the doors till further information is obtained on the issue as to exactly what part the privately owned and installed CCTVS will help government.

Forget about wether the project is living up to the visions of grandeur you imagined for it for a sec. I actually thought you might have researched what the plan actually was about, so let us lighten the speculation so you can stop with the accusations of "adding things" cos no offence meant but it is getting a tad irritating. Pulling out the article below took me 3 seconds


Lagos CCTV project faces delay
By Mudiaga Affe
Published: Wednesday, 19 Nov 2008
Three months after its scheduled date of completion, the proposed installation of the closed circuit television cameras in Lagos State may have suffered a delay.
The Lagos State Government had commenced the project in January this year as part of the moves to check the activities of criminals in the state.

But our correspondent gathered that the project had not become operational because the building that would serve as the control command centre had not been completed.

The company handling the project under government‘s Private Public Partnership Initiative, Cisco, an international IT firm, had started installing the equipment in the specified areas in Lagos.

A source, who preferred anonymity, said that secret installation of the cameras had already begun, but for security reasons, would not want to disclose the areas.

In a telephone interview with our correspondent, the state Commissioner for Science and Technology, Dr. Obafemi Hamzat, said the government had given its specifications to Cisco for the kind of equipment it required.

He added that the company had also been shown the identified black spots where the equipment would be mounted.

The commissioner explained that as part of efforts to create job opportunities for its indigenes, the government had also instructed the firm that 70 per cent of its workforce should be sourced from the local populace.

Hamzat, however, declined to state the specific cost of the project, saying that since it was a PPP initiative, the government would not know the entire cost of the project.

He said, ”The project is a PPP initiative. All government had done was to give specifications of what it wanted and spelt out areas where it wanted the equipment fixed.

“We have also insisted that 70 per cent of the workforce should come from Lagos.

”Government cannot determine the cost of the project at the moment because it is under a PPP initiative. However, before the project is completed, we will have known the costs.”

The CCTV project is part of the state-wide inter-connectivity network and e-payment system inaugurated in September 2008 by the Governor, Mr. Babatunde Fashola.

The building that will house the control command centre unit is said to be about 40 per cent completed.

The contracting firm handling the two-storey building, Moreno Plc, blamed the delay of the project on the bad weather condition arising from rainfall.

Our correspondent, however, learnt that bureaucratic delays from government might have been responsible for the delay in the completion.

The Project Engineer for the company, Mr. Gile Pina, who attributed the delay to ‘bad weather’, could not, however, give any specific date for the completion of the project.

A source said that government officials were responsible for the delay as they had held onto the project file for over three months.

@ SkyBlue that comment was made out of sheer frustration (I hope you could read that in me). However, about the CCTV, you could tell (from the online chat with Fashola) that the whole project would probably be 30% government and 70% company i.e. he wants the private companies to get involved in the project and protect themselves and then the public would still suffer because the CCTV is nor really in their interest but in the interest of the companies sponsoring the projects.

I hope you still understand that as successful as the project could be, it’ll have little effect on the average Nigerian citizenry as they’re not being guarded by CCTV but the companies are.
And guess what I’ll do if I were a criminal (which I know a lot of criminals would do), there’ll be a change of tactics and instead of robbing companies that have CCTV installed, they’ll start robbing private Nigerian citizens as they’re not being guarded by the state funded camera. So whichever way you look at it, the CCTV in fact would put the people at more risks while the private firms that support the project and bankrolled it with their own cash would be well protected.

Here's the problem @SkyBlue. If you read other articles, on the same, you almost get the same Government involved bit but there is nothing better than hearing from the horses mouth on this and that is what I would rather go on. Look again at the response that we got and compare it to that article there.

Kobojunkie:

Here's the problem @SkyBlue. If you read other articles, on the same, you almost get the same Government involved bit but there is nothing better than hearing from the horses mouth on this and that is what I would rather go on. Look again at the response that we got and compare it to that article there.

You really want to base your whole premise on this issue on a few lines of text which does mention the word "database" suggesting it is linked to a network?

No, I want to base it on the response from the horses in this case. SECRET installations of cameras? One minute the cameras are not funded by government, next government is involved and sort of funding? COme on!! I particularly like the fact that the man himself gave us an incite into his idea of the CCTV program on sunday. Who do I believe now?

On the Database issue, ofcourse it has to be linked to some network. Or are you saying the database will be local to the location of the camera ? How safe is that?

B.O.S.S.:

@ SkyBlue that comment was made out of sheer frustration (I hope you could read that in me). However, about the CCTV, you could tell (from the online chat with Fashola) that the whole project would probably be 30% government and 70% company i.e. he wants the private companies to get involved in the project and protect themselves and then the public would still suffer because the CCTV is nor really in their interest but in the interest of the companies sponsoring the projects.

I hope you still understand that as successful as the project could be, it’ll have little effect on the average Nigerian citizenry as they’re not being guarded by CCTV but the companies are.
And guess what I’ll do if I were a criminal (which I know a lot of criminals would do), there’ll be a change of tactics and instead of robbing companies that have CCTV installed, they’ll start robbing private Nigerian citizens as they’re not being guarded by the state funded camera. So whichever way you look at it, the CCTV in fact would put the people at more risks while the private firms that support the project and bankrolled it with their own cash would be well protected.

You might not think so, but the security of businesses can affect the 'average Nigerian' in lagos. For a very long time now Nigeria has been seen as a potentially viable but at thesame time a very high risk market. Banks are robbed every other day by dare devil robbers that have gotten so bold now it is done in broad daylight and with such audacity. So tell me, what company would want to investin such an environment which can't even ensure security of their businesses talk less of economic security? What does this mean? Less potential investors into the Nigerian market and hence an effect on growth and investments in different sectors and hence an effect on potential job creation.

Kobojunkie:

No, I want to base it on the response from the horses in this case. SECRET installations of cameras? One minute the cameras are not funded by government, next government is involved and sort of funding? COme on!! I particularly like the fact that the man himself gave us an incite into his idea of the CCTV program on sunday. Who do I believe now?

On the Database issue, ofcourse it has to be linked to some network. Or are you saying the database will be local to the location of the camera ? How safe is that?

Who convinced you government wasn't involved in some part of the funding in the first place? If you read news about this whole CCTV thing you won't be surprsed by the response given on sunday because it correlates to what had been announced.

B.O.S.S.:

I don't even care any more. As long as these very BASIC issues are not resolves, nobody can tell me nothing.
Housing, electricity, transport (traffic issues, horrible roads, undefined road usage rules, etc) street lights, hospitals, pollution, water et al

by virture of the fact that
1.the constitution of nigeria limits the powers of state as to what projects to undertake,fashola cannot neither will any state governor in nigeria undertake federal government obligations,also the funds are not there to do so.

2.a lot of what you havecatalogued are being undertaken by fashola, hospitals are being upgraded i.e ayinke house which i know of has been upgraded,including ambulances bought e.t.c and he has also promised to make sure that kidney transplants take place in lagos state before th expiration of his term.
3.what is the use of street lights,when the halogen will be removed the very next day?one of the crimes cctv installation will reduce considerably.

4,traffic issues are also being addressed,brt is one,the metro thing is another, its an on going process, im sure you are not seriously suggesting that traffic issues will suddenly dissappear in 2 years, even planned citiews in the western world still has traffic problems, im sure you were aware of the congestion vote recently in manchester.
5.pollution,isnt that what the beautification is all about?

A.cctv in city centres in the uk is manned by private security outfits,the police might have acess to it if it ll aid their investigations,private securities in nigeria are only lincensed to carry batons and double barrelled shot guns, no security outfit in the whole of nigeria is lencensed or has ever been lincensed to carry small side arms or any other fire arm other than the above.

b.that is not what i read,while the best every single one of us on here can aspire to is speculations as we are not a part of the cabinet,what i read and was told by people LIVING IN LAGOS AND FOLLOWING fashola's awesome achievemnts is that 10,000 cctvs would be installed and serviced by a private company, if its a government/private initiative is of no conscequence,as long as the objective are met

@lucabrasi

Can we meet online now? Long time man.

Frizy:

@lucabrasi

Can we meet online now? Long time man.

ill send u a message now

This constant link of Lagos to the western world is getting at me.
Until the masses are released from the stranglehood of dire poverty,
poor healthcare, gross unemployment, constant power outages then
CCTV should take the back burner, simple.

And please spare me that funding preaching, there are so many things
such fund could be channeled. Agreed, Fashola is trying, it is nothing compared
to the masses expectation of better standard of living.

You seem to forget that (if you read from page 1 or thereabout), that was my question to Fashola when we were online (on Sunday through the chat with KoboJunkie andSkyBlue) that we want poverty alleviation first or the better functioning of the police rather than the CCTV but he said “CCTV is not fully a government initiative but a co-operation of the government and the private sectors”. So all this CCTV this CCTV that means jack shit because he only wants to protect the companies and not the people.

Lucabrasi, as much as I like to read your post and most times I agree while sometimes I disagree (which is normal I suppose), why are you still supporting Fashola and basing your fact on hear say rather than we (myself, KoboJunkie andSkyBlue) hearing from the horse’s mouth that the CCTV is what I said above.

CCTV IS NOT FOR THE SAFETY OF THE CITIZENS BUT FOR THE SAFETY OF THE COMPANIES THAT WOULD BE BANKROLLING IT.

At least I pasted it on here though you didn’t join us for the chat on Sunday.

B.O.S.S.:

You seem to forget that (if you read from page 1 or thereabout), that was my question to Fashola when we were online (on Sunday through the chat with KoboJunkie andSkyBlue) that we want poverty alleviation first or the better functioning of the police rather than the CCTV but he said “CCTV is not fully a government initiative but a co-operation of the government and the private sectors”. So all this CCTV this CCTV that means jack shit because he only wants to protect the companies and not the people.

Lucabrasi, as much as I like to read your post and most times I agree while sometimes I disagree (which is normal I suppose), why are you still supporting Fashola and basing your fact on hear say rather than we (myself, KoboJunkie andSkyBlue) hearing from the horse’s mouth that the CCTV is what I said above.

CCTV IS NOT FOR THE SAFETY OF THE CITIZENS BUT FOR THE SAFETY OF THE COMPANIES THAT WOULD BE BANKROLLING IT.

At least I pasted it on here though you didn’t join us for the chat on Sunday.

Look up at previous post as to why safety of the company is also an important issue. CCTV and poverty alleviation are not mutually exclusive as you seem to advocate and is there anything that leads you to believe that if a person is murdered in such an area the CCTV won't be used to investigate because it was an attack on a citizen rather than a business?

Now I am better able to answer your questions

Sky Blue:

You really want to base your whole premise on this issue on a few lines of text which does mention the word "database" suggesting it is linked to a network?

a) The Governor mentioning the Cameras need to be connected to their Database ( assuming this is government owned and operated at this point)
b) From the very article that you posted on here mentioning that CISCO is the company holding the contract
c) The fact that the only way for any entity to monitor the images in close to real time mode is if it were connected directly to some network that enables this.

Sky Blue:

Who convinced you government wasn't involved in some part of the funding in the first place? If you read news about this whole CCTV thing you won't be surprsed by the response given on sunday because it correlates to what had been announced.

a) Fashola’s own words quoted or misquoted by our moderator in chat on Sunday. Fashola stresses on there that the camera’s themselves will not be funded by the state government i.e private entities are in charge of purchasing the cameras and hence in charge of maintainance costs since all the state endorsed supplier will be doing in this case is hooking the machine up to the “State’s” database.


Numerous banks and establishments in Lagos already have CCTV installed, in addition to having private security guards. Many of these banks have had CCTV and monitors for decades already so this technology is not new in the state, or the country.

He said, ”The project is a PPP initiative. All government had done was to give specifications of what it wanted and spelt out areas where it wanted the equipment fixed.

“We have also insisted that 70 per cent of the workforce should come from Lagos.

”Government cannot determine the cost of the project at the moment because it is under a PPP initiative. However, before the project is completed, we will have known the costs.”

The CCTV project is part of the state-wide inter-connectivity network and e-payment system inaugurated in September 2008 by the Governor, Mr. Babatunde Fashola.

I know you believe this is geared towards keeping companies/businesses safe but my main interest here is how this keeps the people safe. How many Lagosians can afford to install $500 CCTVs on their properties and how many of them can afford the maintenance and connection fees that may result?

I don’t believe any of us on here has stated that we do not want CCTV in Lagos, what we are looking for is the direct connection between this initiative and the security of the average lagosian. If not, it is just a government advertised project to bring in more CCTVs.

I dont think they'll really use the CCTV to investigate except it's in the interest of the companies that bankrolled the project. I can guarantee you that because that's Nigeria for you. The Nigeria I've grown to know for the past 26 years.

Sky Blue:

Look up at previous post as to why safety of the company is also an important issue. CCTV and poverty alleviation are not mutually exclusive as you seem to advocate and is there anything that leads you to believe that if a person is murdered in such an area the CCTV won't be used to investigate because it was an attack on a citizen rather than a business?

Lol . . The reasons you give in your previous post may be convincing to you but not to me, I am sorry. CCTV is not new in Lagos and it is not new technology in Lagos. I fail to see how this will go to SECURING the people? It may help in improving security to the companies and people who are able to afford the camera’s and the fees that may be involved to subscribe to the service, but to those who can not afford CCTV on their property, I still believe the norm remains the case for them. I mean this sounds now more like a grand ADT(Security firm that helps secure homes) scheme.

Are the companies (companies able to afford CCTV) the only ones that need securing in Lagos? I am not sure that when we talk security in a state, focusing on securing companies should be at the top. But I am ok with the fact that the funding for the cameras is not coming from the state, as pointed out by fashola himself.

B.O.S.S.:

I dont think they'll really use the CCTV to investigate except it's in the interest of the companies that bankrolled the project. I can guarantee you that because that's Nigeria for you. The Nigeria I've grown to know for the past 26 years.

Your guarantee on this is "Nigerianess"?

Kobojunkie:


Now I am better able to answer your questions

a) The Governor mentioning the Cameras need to be connected to their Database ( assuming this is government owned and operated at this point)
b) From the very article that you posted on here mentioning that CISCO is the company holding the contract
c) The fact that the only way for any entity to monitor the images in close to real time mode is if it were connected directly to some network that enables this.

a) Fashola’s own words quoted or misquoted by our moderator in chat on Sunday. Fashola stresses on there that the camera’s themselves will not be funded by the state government i.e private entities are in charge of purchasing the cameras and hence in charge of maintainance costs since all the state endorsed supplier will be doing in this case is hooking the machine up to the “State’s” database.


Numerous banks and establishments in Lagos already have CCTV installed, in addition to having private security guards. Many of these banks have had CCTV and monitors for decades already so this technology is not new in the state, or the country.


I know you believe this is geared towards keeping companies/businesses safe but my main interest here is how this keeps the people safe. How many Lagosians can afford to install $500 CCTVs on their properties and how many of them can afford the maintenance and connection fees that may result?

I don’t believe any of us on here has stated that we do not want CCTV in Lagos, what we are looking for is the direct connection between this initiative and the security of the average lagosian. If not, it is just a government advertised project to bring in more CCTVs.

I think a lot of people including I also assumed the CCTV will be primarily for security of the citizenry. That might not be the primary objectives but it does not mean it can't be used for investigating into crimes carried out around such areas and nevertheless it is still a good initiative even if at current it is pimarily geared towards protecting businesses. Furthermore, the government is building a command centre to moitor and co-ordinate the system, hence isn't that a little more than advertising CCTV?
At first people were arguing wether CCTV was a priority given other things now we have more info on what the initiative is actually about you are arguing that it won't be enough to protect everyone? The issue here is that most of the funding is coming from the private sector and government just wants to link the systems to co-ordinate them, right?

Sky Blue:

I think a lot of people including I also assumed it will be primarily for security of the citizenry. That might not be the primary objectives but it does not mean it can' be used for investigating into crimes carried out around such areas and neverthemless it is still a good initiative even if at current it is pimarily geared towards protecting businesses.

Lol… Good business initiative, you mean but nothing for citizens. I am at least glad you agree that it is not necessarily going to improve security for the CITIZENS, those whom the government was hired to take care of. So I do not see how this is a GOOD INITIATIVE when it is not in the direct interest of the people.

Sure, cameras, even camcorder recordings can be used in solving of crime that does not in anyway mean we ought to get those for all citizens now, does it? I am not sure anyone has so far said the video can not be used in crime investigation, and this brings us to question of WHO will be doing the investigating here. CISCO? Or the Police force that the governor himself complained about? Or is the state government going to create it’s own Hisbah-like group? Lol

Sky Blue:

Furthermore, the government is building a command centre to moitor and co-ordinate the system, hence isn;t it a little more than advertising CCTV?
At first people were arguing wether CCTV was a priority given other things now we have more info on what the initiative is actually about you are arguing that it won;t be enoughto protect everyone?

The government is building a command center using tax money to monitor company security around the state? Maybe that does not seem absurd to you but I want to wait on that. Instead of accepting that tax payer money is actually going to monitoring of private company security, I will choose to wait on that.

At first the assumption was that this was being bankrolled by government, hence the reason why I believe it is right for people to call up priorities. Now we know from the governor himself that the cameras will not be funded and maintained with tax payer money, to which I respond, as long as we are not using the people’s money, I am cool. It does not tell of if the command center is being built for government but it does tell us that government contract with the company is that at least 70% of the employees have to be locals. We do know that the funding for the project is not coming from tax money, which I am cool with.

So as we investigate, we might find more and more info out there to give us a clearer picture of what this is about but so far, I do not believe this will help the people of Lagos in a big way.

Kobojunkie:


Lol… Good business initiative, you mean but nothing for citizens. I am at least glad you agree that it is not necessarily going to improve security for the CITIZENS, those whom the government was hired to take care of. So I do not see how this is a GOOD INITIATIVE when it is not in the direct interest of the people.

Sure, cameras, even camcorder recordings can be used in solving of crime that does not in anyway mean we ought to get those for all citizens now, does it? I am not sure anyone has so far said the video can not be used in crime investigation, and this brings us to question of WHO will be doing the investigating here. CISCO? Or the Police force that the governor himself complained about? Or is the state government going to create it’s own Hisbah-like group? Lol


The government is building a command center using tax money to monitor company security around the state? Maybe that does not seem absurd to you but I want to wait on that. Instead of accepting that tax payer money is actually going to monitoring of private company security, I will choose to wait on that.

At first the assumption was that this was being bankrolled by government, hence the reason why I believe it is right for people to call up priorities. Now we know from the governor himself that the cameras will not be funded and maintained with tax payer money, to which I respond, as long as we are not using the people’s money, I am cool. It does not tell of if the command center is being built for government but it does tell us that government contract with the company is that at least 70% of the employees have to be locals. We do know that the funding for the project is not coming from tax money, which I am cool with.

So as we investigate, we might find more and more info out there to give us a clearer picture of what this is about but so far, I do not believe this will help the people of Lagos in a big way.

So securing of businesses is not in the people's interest? How do you reckon? So if the security of such areas where businesses are mainly located (eg the CBD) improves and investors from all over the place know there property and businesses can be prepared, won't that attract more investors into lagos? Is that not all part of creating a better "environment" for businesses to flourish and thrive? At the end of the day if more busineeses move in and invest and there is expansionand greater commercialisation in lagos won't the citizens benefit? Won't such mean more jobs and more tax from more businesses for lagos state? Isn't CCTV all part of the infrastructure of making lagos more attractive to investors and businesses and hence a way of attracting more inestment, jobs and economic growth to the state? And the citizens won't benefit from such?

We read thesame article right? In the article it says CISCO is an international IT firm, so what leads you to speculate wether such will do investigations?

Why do Nigerians like building from the top

All these Screensavers

CCTV ko!!!!

Imagine! so Laughable!!

there is a lot more to this CCTV experiment than they are allowing us access to. the reasons given, the facts we have to work with have lapses. non of the info given by the govt says anything about the support system for this CCTV cRAp. the govt might have good intention but the intentions are not towards the general public. they say private companies install it, and its connected to a database. what kinda businesses/private companies would require a CCTV camera installed. lets assume its our priority, it still doesnt look right considering what we know as fact.


simple gibberish, until more facts(detailed) about the project are provided to us lets stop all this NONSENSE ASSUMING we have been assuming already. one minute it is a private project, the next minute its govt building its control center, next minute private companies install it on their premises, next minute government monitors the cameras bought by the private companies, next minute private companies do the monitoring and govt would have access to it whenever the need it. until some of these are pretty spelt out as ABC the project is as good as watching 24 (the new season is on fire by the way)

Assuming only leads to a whole bunch of BullManure

sorry for my previous rant, but is the CCTV for businesses or are they to monitor activity in public places like motor parks, markets, in short public spaces in general. cos nothing as indicated precisely where and what is being monitored to provide the extra needed security boost.