Agibecky:

Do you know that thousands of secondary school leavers who cannot gain admission into higher institutions need jobs and many of them are paid as little as N5,000 monthly salaries in Lagos and other places. My friend pays his receptionist N8, 000 monthly and thank God her residence is not far from the office.

Majority of the civil servants in Nigeria are going to depend on the minimum wage and those with families will have no choice but to use their children and other dependants to hawk goods on the street.
Monday night on the way home from work at about 10.33 pm, I saw children still hawking at the Maryland bus near Ikeja and I told an elderly woman hawking with them to go home and sleep. She looked at me and continued with her work.

Today I went to the Tejuoso market in Yaba and I saw hundreds of boys and girls selling petty goods and the Igbo boys engaged in their rag trade of second hand clothes and other goods. I was heartbroken, because many of them have better dreams than petty trading.
I saw depression written on the faces of hundreds of traders and shoppers. I saw pretty girls and handsome boys struggling for survival and JAMB reported today that there is no space for 340, 000 successful UTME candidates and lest we forget hundreds of thousands of graduates and millions of secondary school leavers are jobless.

I returned to the office feeling depressed, because of the bleak future of the poor masses and their children.

If we sack the ruling megalomaniac party and set up a government without a National Assembly, we are going to save trillions of naira to invest in human capital development and develop a 21st century economy to provide better living wages for majority of Nigerians.
It is possible.

Agibecky:

Do you know that thousands of secondary school leavers who cannot gain admission into higher institutions need jobs and many of them are paid as little as N5,000 monthly salaries in Lagos and other places. My friend pays his receptionist N8, 000 monthly and thank God her residence is not far from the office.

Majority of the civil servants in Nigeria are going to depend on the minimum wage and those with families will have no choice but to use their children and other dependants to hawk goods on the street.
Monday night on the way home from work at about 10.33 pm, I saw children still hawking at the Maryland bus near Ikeja and I told an elderly woman hawking with them to go home and sleep. She looked at me and continued with her work.

Today I went to the Tejuoso market in Yaba and I saw hundreds of boys and girls selling petty goods and the Igbo boys engaged in their rag trade of second hand clothes and other goods. I was heartbroken, because many of them have better dreams than petty trading.
I saw depression written on the faces of hundreds of traders and shoppers. I saw pretty girls and handsome boys struggling for survival and JAMB reported today that there is no space for 340, 000 successful UTME candidates and lest we forget hundreds of thousands of graduates and millions of secondary school leavers are jobless.

I returned to the office feeling depressed, because of the bleak future of the poor masses and their children.

If we sack the ruling megalomaniac party and set up a government without a National Assembly, we are going to save trillions of naira to invest in human capital development and develop a 21st century economy to provide better living wages for majority of Nigerians.
It is possible.

GAR3TH:

minimum wages explains its self. . .its the lowest amount of money that will get you through. . .minimum wage is ment for your NEEDS in life. . .such as paying for food, Water, bills, Cheap Clothes, etc. . .It Is NOT MEANT FOR LUXURIES WANTS. . . .Such as TV, car, fine clothes, etc. . . .Minimum wage is just so you can get by through life until you can find a job. . .so why the complaining?

Bawss1:

People will always complain about how little the minimum wage is. Instead of running their mouths they should get their acts together and improve themselves then they can make some more money. C'mon hustle folks! The moment you accept the fact that government isn't Santa Claus the better for you.

agitator:

So what is the wage for, social support?

GAR3TH:

minimum wages explains its self. . .its the lowest amount of money that will get you through. . .minimum wage is ment for your NEEDS in life. . .such as paying for food, Water, bills, Cheap Clothes, etc. . .It Is NOT MEANT FOR LUXURIES WANTS. . . .Such as TV, car, fine clothes, etc. . . .Minimum wage is just so you can get by through life until you can find a job. . .so why the complaining?

Kobojunkie:

hhmm . . . We know what minimum wage is but how exactly does this particular wage go to supplying for the NEEDs it is meant for? How? I know it is too easy to take SIDES on a subject without even trying to put oneself in the shoes of those affected. But could you pretend to know what people are complaining about for one second and please help them understand why, according to you, they should not complain anymore . . .

Before you turn this into an US vs THEM debate, i tell you this . . .  I am not going to get into that with anyone here. Just deal with that which was asked please.

GAR3TH:

Nigerians dont have a choice. . .the minimum wage is what it is and from what i hear it was lower before. . .I know I sound mean but The Minimum wage in my opinion, under the circumstances. . .is somewhat justified. . .the wage in my opinion can only rise to 20,000-30,000. . .if you increase the minimum wages you would hurt job growth. . .as we know right now. . .there are alot of unemployed people in Nigeria.

GAR3TH:

Nigeria is not a developed country we all have to remember that. . .we all act like Nigeria is with all our demands

GAR3TH:

. . .and stop comparing it to the likes of america. . .

GAR3TH:

Look at china a developing economic superpower that is more develope than nigeria. . .the also have a large labor pool that needs jobs just like nigeria. . .do you know what there minimum wage is. . .US$140/M. . .About the same as Nigeria's. . .

you are not answering the question. You suggested they stopped complaining because this minimum wage out to provide for all their needs, yes or no?
. . . We are going off of the meaning you volunteered on the concept of minimum wage here. When it was lower, they complained it was not enough. Granted, it is higher now, but according to many, it is still not enough so the reason why they continue to complain. You however, suggest they STOP complaining because, according to your def. minimum wage ought to be used just for NEEDs and not for Luxuries and I am guessing you believe this minimum wage ought to provide for all their needs. Hence the reason why I ask that you help us understand exactly how that will work.

I am sorry? you all act . . .  who are the you?

Who? Are you sure you are speaking to the right person here? You used the UNIVERSAL meaning here and all you are asked to do is provide more details as to how you justify this minimum wage by that.

First you say do not compare this with the US but you now want to compare this with China? And on what basis is this comparison being made? That cost of living in China is about the same as cost of living in Nigeria?

GAR3TH:

First I Dont Believe this (nigeria's) minimum wage is ought to provide all your needs. . .But What Im saying is that this is what your going to get so try and make with it. many Nigerian companies cannot afford higher minimum wages. . .complaining wont help any body.

First the U.S. is a develope country. . .Nigeria is not. . .we are not the same. . .The U.S. can afford a $7.50/hour wage. . .If nigeria offers that wage companies wont make a profit. . . Thats why I said stop comparing Nigeria to the U.S. and start comparing it to countries in similar situations such as china.

GAR3TH:

Nigerians dont have a choice. . .the minimum wage is what it is and from what i hear it was lower before. . .I know I sound mean but The Minimum wage in my opinion, under the circumstances. . .is somewhat justified. . .the wage in my opinion can only rise to 20,000-30,000. . .if you increase the minimum wages you would hurt job growth. . .as we know right now. . .there are alot of unemployed people in Nigeria.

Nigeria is not a developed country we all have to remember that. . .we all act like Nigeria is with all our demands. . .and stop comparing it to the likes of america. . .Look at china a developing economic superpower that is more develop than nigeria. . .they also have a large labor pool that needs jobs just like nigeria. . .do you know what there minimum wage is. . .US$140/M. . .About the same as Nigeria's. . .

Kobojunkie:

Hi @Agibecky, what ISP do you use?

Kobojunkie:
How do you know complaining will not help anybody? You admit that this is probably not going to help much but in the same breath you urge them to stop complaining? Come on now!! Have you ever had to live on Naira 20,000 or less   a month in Nigeria? When I say live, I mean( Pay Rent, Feed self, afford transport, fuel, etc)? Do you understand the frustrations here?

But again, why is China supposedly in similar situation that Nigeria is in. Apart from the fact that both are developing/underdeveloped. What else do the two countries have in common? Is cost of living in China same as that in Nigeria? Is the average Chinese more likely to face the same problems the average Nigerian does on a daily basis? What is the real basis of this comparison? Is it that you think the average Nigerian who is having to deal with life on minimum wage is concerned with what minimum wage is in other developing countries?

Kobojunkie:

I am inquiring about reliable ISPs

~Bluetooth:

do the maths by yourself if this amount is '' somewhat justifed'' in your own word.
A man of 30 years with a wife and three kids living in a one bedreoom flat and he's expected to feed 5 people including himself,send his 3 children to school up to university level,transport the family,provide shelter,take care of his extend family responsiblities all on 17 thousand and he's expected to pay for his flat with atleast 70 thousand naira per annum.theoritically the money may sound big to some people,but practically on a daily basis is absoulte nothing.
the most interesting part is that the civil service rules does not allow for workers to source income from others means.what do you expect the poor man to do ?

Complaining NEVER SOLVES ANYTHING. . .Nigerians Have been Complaining for 50 Years about electricity, nothing happened, Water, nothing happened, Better leader, nothing happens, roads, nothing happened. . .If you want something stop complaining and actually deal with the problem with some action. . .dont just talk. . .If nigerians did not complain an actually did something we could as well be a develop country by know.

And no I have not lived with N20,000/M

The Large Unemployed labor pool. . .Thats why china has a low minimum wage because their are a large number of unemployed people. . .and by having a low minimum wage you can increase job growth. . .Thats why you here that american jobs are going over seas to china. . .A low minimum wage can be a good thing sometimes. . .it can help with job growth as nigeria really needs

xterra2:

Ok Thank you , Which do you use ??

GAR3TH:

I never said that the minimum wage was ethically right. . .what i said was giving the circumstances that nigeria is in the minimum wage is about at the right amount, though it could be higher.

~Bluetooth:

so why arguing about it if you know it's ethically wrong ? The point is that the review of workers' salaries which ought to be an annual thing is done only when election period is at the corner.the last one was done is 2006 when the 2007 election was approaching and no review was made in 2007,2008,2009 ,only for the federal government to add peanut to the existing peanut and we are praising the FG as if it has done something special.

~Bluetooth:

so why arguing about it if you know it's ethically wrong ? The point is that the review of workers' salaries which ought to be an annual thing is done only when election period is at the corner.the last one was done is 2006 when the 2007 election was approaching and no review was made in 2007,2008,2009,only for the federal government to add peanut to the existing peanut and we are praising the FG as if it has done something special.

Kobojunkie:

Wait a second . . . they complained and got an increase, but instead you are here telling us complaining does not solve anything? You mean people around the world should stop protesting, stop petitioning for change, stop complaining about their salaries, and[b] how a raise in necessary, to their bosses[/b], and stop trying to get their complaints heard simply because you have concluded in your world that complaining does not work?  ROFLMAO!!!

Since you have not lived on less than Naira 20,000 a month, can I then conclude that you probably have no idea as well why these people are so frustrated and want to complain. . .

You say not to compare with US but yet you keep comparing with America. Sigh!
Can you please answer the questions asked? I did not ask you of benefits of minimum wage or low minimum wage. I asked you direct questions about conclusions you made earlier and would appreciate it if you spent time actually answering those please.

GAR3TH:

I Thought it was the gov. that just increased the wage. . .if it was 'cause of their complaining then i stand corrected. .

GAR3TH:

But you do realized that complaining and Petitioning are two different things along with the others in bold. . .Complaining is talking while the other are doing action.

GAR3TH:
And I Know how its like to be poor. .  .

GAR3TH:

I did Answer them

Apart from the fact that both are developing/underdeveloped. What else do the two countries have in common? Is cost of living in China same as that in Nigeria?

Is the average Chinese more likely to face the same problems the average Nigerian does on a daily basis?

What is the real basis of this comparison?

Is it that you think the average Nigerian who is having to deal with life on minimum wage is concerned with what minimum wage is in other developing countries?

~Bluetooth:

so why arguing about it if you know it's ethically wrong

GAR3TH:

lol I'm not arguing about it. . .my point is that yes it ethically wrong. . .but at the same time its technically right considering nigeria's circumstances. . .I really don't know why Kobo keeps replying to everything i say. . .making it seem like an argument. . .I'm on the same side as her saying that its to low.

Kobojunkie:

Petitions are the "NEW AGE" way of complaining. People who do not have access to internet and petition services can complain their way to change.. . .

You do? 
How poor? Naira 20,000(or less) a month poor?  Naira 50,000 - 20000 a month poor?  Naira 100,000 - 50000 a month poor? Naira 250,000 - 100000 a month poor?  How poor?Where?

You mean you answered the following questions?

Apart from the fact that both are developing/underdeveloped. What else do the two countries have in common? Is cost of living in China same as that in Nigeria?

Is the average Chinese more likely to face the same problems the average Nigerian does on a daily basis?

What is the real basis of this comparison?

Is it that you think the average Nigerian who is having to deal with life on minimum wage is concerned with what minimum wage is in other developing countries?