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Re: Do You Consider Somalis As Black? by Sagamite(m): 12:17pm On Oct 24, 2012
basra: ^ We both now that hiv is not prevalent in Somalia, where adultery is punishable by death, where people are monogamous.
I dont expect a slave like yourself to understand. After all you are a nigger. grin

Where people are monogamous? grin grin grin grin grin grin grin grin grin grin

Stop making me laugh! grin grin grin grin grin

Where is your Aabo? Does he feed the family?

Are you saying he does not frequently travel "for some reason" to Kenya?

The old man takes all the giro he gets to go to refugee camps in Kenya and take a starving 14 year old wife behind Hooyo's back. Your daft arsse is talking about monogamy? grin grin grin grin grin grin

Does he even test himself for HIV? grin Does Hooyo test herself or she sees it as haram? grin

Start talking about your Aabo's paedophilia, not monogamy!

I hope you know the conservative government is setting policies to cut welfare budget. That is misery for your greedy, big, starving family. Maybe that is the source of your frustration that you are trying to let out on NL. grin grin grin grin grin

Failed community, failed country, failed people, broken families, worthless men = Somalia!
Re: Do You Consider Somalis As Black? by Sagamite(m): 12:55pm On Oct 24, 2012
Here is the hierarchy of the major ethnic groups in the UK in terms of success professionally plus in terms of Wealth:

- Jews
- Whites (includes white SAcans)
- Chinese
- Indians
- Premier Africans (mainly Nigerians and but also Ghanaians and Kenyans)
- Pakistanis (held back by their religion and big families)
- Middle range Africans (SA, Uganda, Zambia etc)
- Bangladeshi (held back by their religion and big families)
- Carribeans
- Rest of Africa (French speaking [like Zaire, Senegal], Sudan etc)
- Ethiopians and Eritreans
- Somalis

Look at how far down your cretinous, skinny arsses are but yet you have the audacity to challenge people above your league in achievements?
Re: Do You Consider Somalis As Black? by Sagamite(m): 1:32pm On Oct 24, 2012
http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2012/feb/21/somali-community-britain-finds-voice

[size=18pt]Somali community in Britain begins to find its voice[/size]

[size=14pt]Britain's Somalis have talks with David Cameron about problems of jobs, poverty, stress and image[/size]

They like to talk in the dimmed light of the Food Palace, a Somali cafe in west London. As daylight recedes, men of a certain age sip coffee, nibble on finger dishes or grapple with big round plates of rice and lamb, all the while bouncing opinions back and forth. Much to talk about this week, as William Hague and the government embark on their grand diplomatic scheme to save Somalia, with an international conference involving heads of state from 55 countries.

All very good, says the cafe talk. About time for the seemingly endless war and the issue of Somalia to be discussed at the highest level. But at the same time, there is another question; what about the fate of Somalis here? A question David Cameron explored with leading figures in the UK Somali communities (even these are uneducated poor mosque rats) at No 10 on Monday.

The strands are interwoven, for sure. No one questions the contention that if things were stable in Somalia, there would not be so many Somalis in the UK. But the domestic issue is also distinct, and many would argue it requires domestic solutions. Somalis have lived here for hundreds of years, a consequence of a shared tradition of seafaring. They adopted port cities. Somali seamen are said to have fought in the battle of Trafalgar. But as a group, they still struggle to find their way. "We get attacked because we are Muslim, and attacked because we are black grin, but black people won't support us," says Sabra Mohamed, the 21-year-old manager of Nomad, the "UK's No 1" Somali station. "We always have that debate; are Somalians black?" The young live and go to school in mixed communities, but find there is no immediate affiliation, she says. "The indigenous population says we're black. And then the black kids will say 'you're not black – you're Mali'."

Thus isolated, they seek to progress.

Three groups populate Britain's Somali communities. One group, mostly from the-then British colony of Somaliland, put down roots here long ago, in places such as Liverpool, Cardiff, and London's Docklands. Somalis were targeted in race riots in Cardiff in 1919.

Others arrived during the second world war and stayed. A second group fled directly to Britain to escape the civil war, mainly between 1991 and 2001. A third group has arrived via other European countries such as the Netherlands, Denmark and Sweden. Newer communities have settled in towns and cities such as Milton Keynes, Slough, Northampton, Southampton, and in London, notably Ealing, Tower Hamlets and Newham.

Different paths result in different perspectives. Much, not least clanship, sets the different groups apart. What is their number? No one really knows. The census in 1991 counted 43,515 Somalis in the UK, but no one thought that an accurate figure even then. The rise since has been exponential, but there are worries that even the most recent census won't provide an accurate snapshot. Many unsure of their status were reluctant to get involved, and some, traumatised by officialdom back home, fear engagement with government (illiterates).

The Office for National Statistics employed a Somali in the hope of overcoming these obstacles, but no one expects anything but partial success.

"We have a best guess but there are no facts here," says Omer Ahmed, director of the Council of Somali Organisations, sipping cappuccino at the Food Palace. "The best estimate I have seen was the figure recently mentioned in parliament; 350,000 (99% on benefits - scroungers). Many say 1 million. We don't really know about the flow from Sweden, Denmark and Holland in the last five to seven years. And the area that is never really understood is the growth in the Somali population internally. The average family size is quite large. (being fed by tax-payers) If you go back to 2001 and look at the nationality of people looking to become British citizens, 21% were Somali."

Ahmed, a lawyer, says numbers matter. Communities inadequately assessed miss out on social provision, and struggle in terms of education, jobs and housing grin grin grin. A 2009 report by the Department of Communities and Local Government found that "Somali-born migrants have the lowest employment rate of all immigrants in the UK. Levels of education within the community are also low, with 50% having no qualifications and only 3% having higher education qualifications." grin grin grin grin grin grin grin grin

In their isolation, Somali communities strive to tackle these issues. They need a voice. They are only just beginning to find it. "People are getting politically active," says Ahmed. "Ahmed Omer was the first Somali mayor, in Tower Hamlets. We have four councillors in London. We are very proud of them. But that number is still shockingly low." It doesn't help, he says, that culturally, many Somalis have a suspicion of hierarchy. "The equality culture says every man is his own president." The CSO, which speaks on behalf of 30 organisations, took four years to establish. And under-represented communities face real problems. The DCLG research spoke of "Somalis becoming caught in a cycle of depression, isolation and poverty" (giro-hungry, failed people). Too many, it said, turn to qat, a natural, plant-based stimulant. (I SAID IT!!! KHAT. grin grin grin grin) "Many Somalis are also affected by stress, anxiety and loss of self-esteem due to being relegated from a position before the civil war where many had properties, jobs and were financially well-off, to the lowest strata of society in the UK."

Focus groups voiced worries about young and old. Demotivated elders (failed, hungry Hooyos and Aabos high on khat! grin grin grin); young people drawn to antisocial behaviour and crime. Ministers worry that the vulnerable are ripe for religious radicalisation and worse.

But that's far from the whole story, says Sabra Mohamed, supervising her radio station's output of news and sport and music and debates, a mix leavened with regular shows on culture and fashion. Anything but politics – too contentious. Young Somalis present most of the programmes and comprise most of the 75,000 listeners. Progress is slow, she says. But it is progress.

"Most Somalis I know are going to university, getting their masters, becoming successful business people. Our parents have pushed us. It has given us a certain drive," she says (Liar! research shows 50% are illiterates and parents are high on khat. A failed community grin). They could do even better, she adds, but all the while they are fighting negative perceptions – the Somali as benefit claimant, gang member, terrorist, piracy supporter, low achiever (YES, YES, YES! WORTHLESS PEOPLE! grin grin grin grin). That problem is exacerbated by events here and abroad. Stories about piracy and the activities of the militant group al-Shabaab, which has twinned with al-Qaida, take their toll.

The London bombings of 2005 didn't help. Two weeks after the murderous attack on the tube, a second atrocity was averted when devices failed to detonate. The botched attack involved two Somalis. "The bombings caused real panic," said Omer Ahmed. "There was a massive focus on us and people didn't know what to do. What came out was the realisation that we couldn't keep responding to crisis without having the capacity to do so."

A negative perception, he says, begins to fuel a negative self-perception. "There is an urban legend that 40% of the young men at Feltham young offenders institute are Somali. The way people think drives their behaviour." For all that, the fate of young Somalis in the criminal justice system should be a priority for government, he says. "Twenty years ago, the problem was perceived as Jamaican yardies. Now it is those out of control Somalian gangster kids. Over the years, one black monster is replaced by another."

The media plays a part, according to Sabra Mohammed. "One person does something wrong and that becomes our image. I have never seen an article about us that was positive(Because their is nothing positive about Somalia and Somalis in their entire history. That is what I have been banging on about when I told you fucktards to list achievements and you cannot. You are below monkeys in achievements.) grin grin grin. Our listeners hate the Daily Mail.

"It is so one-sided. You feel that all the while you are having to provide extra proof that you are here and educated and don't milk the system (But you DO). You hear all about the ones who go to prison; nothing about those who open businesses and all the internet cafes. It is so frustrating."

If there is external pressure, there is also internal discussion about the way young Somalis mould their identities in modern Britain. "The older generation worry that the culture is being diluted. But just because someone is successful and the director of a company doesn't mean they are not cultural." (Backward-thinking Khat murrafckers don't what to change)

Tradition endures, to good and bad effect – witness the debate about qat, which some want banned. Witness discussions about female ge.n.ital mutilation, which is illegal here. Figures here say it is largely shunned outside Somalia itself. The tradition is largely conservative. Parents whose sons go to prison often disown them. Reputation and pride matters. Recently three Somali girls in Leicester escaped jail after attacking a white English girl in the city. They told the court they were drunk, and that as Somalis unaccustomed to drinking, they deserved leniency.

The court was sympathetic. The community, says Sabra, anything but. "Not only did they embarrass us, they were drinking. They are pariahs more or less. I don't know how they are going to redeem themselves. Many listeners said they should have gone to prison. We are our harshest critics."

So luul are your ge.n.itals not mutiliated? grin grin grin grin grin grin
Re: Do You Consider Somalis As Black? by ba7man(m): 3:23pm On Oct 24, 2012
Sagamite: http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2012/feb/21/somali-community-britain-finds-voice



So luul are your ge.n.itals not mutiliated? grin grin grin grin grin grin
Oh no, you didn't !!! That was waaaay below the belt!!!
Re: Do You Consider Somalis As Black? by Pennywise(m): 4:37pm On Oct 24, 2012
Ordinarily we should shun Somalians as black outcasts. They bring absolutely nothing to the table. Even worse they display racial inferiority by disclaiming their bantu heritage in preference for arab heritage (but the arabs wont have them).

That innate inferiority complex is a sign that the bantu blood in them is stronger than the arab component. The arabs are actually a proud and individualistic people and wouldnt have any inferiority complex of any kind.

Our bantu black brothers in the east and southern Africa have always been the weaker link. They embraced western education and civilization rather late, not typically bright and can be vicious-the exact same traits they have passed on to their Somali descendants (by arabs).

That not withstanding and inspite of attempts by their mtv generation to rewrite history, Somalians remain our brothers and we gladly accept them- not just because they are black complexioned but because in every Somalian we see the spirit of our bantu brothers dominate the arabs (as it should).
Re: Do You Consider Somalis As Black? by Pennywise(m): 5:46pm On Oct 24, 2012
For the modern day Somalians who revel in self-conceit where do they think they got their black genes from? West Africans? Naaa, they would have been smarter. Bantus have been screwing arab whores a long time.

Arabs have been in North Africa for millenia yet the sun has not changed their complexion. It is a repudiation of all known concepts regarding race, climate and geography to assume arabs were fried black by the African sun to produce Somalians.

Bantus didnt think much about religion, tradition, civilization as they did about arab a/rse. Removing the black complexion cannot obliterate the bantu in your blood.
Re: Do You Consider Somalis As Black? by Sagamite(m): 8:18pm On Oct 24, 2012
ba7man: Oh no, you didn't !!! That was waaaay below the belt!!!

Yeah! They took a blade way below her belt to mutiliate her. grin grin grin

Bloody savages.
Re: Do You Consider Somalis As Black? by basra: 11:53pm On Oct 24, 2012
Dude Somalis are not bantu. Bantu is a language.
Somali language is afroasiatic same as arab and hebrew.
Stop bending over to claim Somali people.
We are not the same ethnicity.
We are neither arab or bantu.
We along with the 140 million horners in ethiopia, somalia, sudan, eritrea, southern egypt are older than niggers and arabs.
Re: Do You Consider Somalis As Black? by Luul(f): 11:57pm On Oct 24, 2012
i have decided the losers on this site are not worth my time.
The nigger heres are a testamen to inferiorty complex.


Douces. This is my last comment.

Hope you niggers know how we feel about you.
Re: Do You Consider Somalis As Black? by sambos994(m): 11:57pm On Oct 24, 2012
basra: Dude Somalis are not bantu. Bantu is a language.
Somali language is afroasiatic same as arab and hebrew.
Stop bending over to claim Somali people.
We are not the same ethnicity.
We are neither arab or bantu.
We along with the 140 million horners in ethiopia, somalia, sudan, eritrea, southern egypt are older than niggers and arabs.

OH MY GOD....and we should give a f**k why? Go feed your children and your mothers and stop stealing from fisherman. Oh yeah...find a way to suck the air out your over sized heads, airheads.
Re: Do You Consider Somalis As Black? by sambos994(m): 11:58pm On Oct 24, 2012
Luul: i have decided the losers on this site are not worth my time.
The nigger heres are a testamen to inferiorty complex.


Douces. This is my last comment.

Hope you niggers know how we feel about you.

Shut up! Just get the hell out of here...NOBODY WANTS YOU HERE. Your father should really give a nice @ss whooping.
Re: Do You Consider Somalis As Black? by somalia6: 12:02am On Oct 25, 2012
sambos994:

Shut up! Just get the hell out of here...NOBODY WANTS YOU HERE. Your father should really give a nice @ss whooping.


I thing its time i left this place too.....bye nigggers....fyi were not black...
Re: Do You Consider Somalis As Black? by basra: 12:05am On Oct 25, 2012
Viewing this topic: Luul(f)



ama miss u nayaa. I am dipsettig too. Bye bye monkies.
Re: Do You Consider Somalis As Black? by basra: 12:06am On Oct 25, 2012
leoasharon niggger tell everyone we out of this place.

We have to get checked for aids. we have been here too long.

bye niggers
Re: Do You Consider Somalis As Black? by Nobody: 12:27am On Oct 25, 2012
I know i am not ms.cleo...but i can predict the future. grin
Re: Do You Consider Somalis As Black? by Tolaaaaannni(f): 12:32am On Oct 25, 2012
I really have to point out the fact that it is very alarming how this ayanle person can talk back and forth to himself,

his case is worse than I thought.

P.S ayanle- You might be fooling everyone else, but you sure as hell aren't fooling me. I mean its just so obvious. (You

can try to pretend to be someone else, but there will still be a part of you that people that are good observers like me

are going to detect........ and plus your atrocious grammar is seriously giving you away!)

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Re: Do You Consider Somalis As Black? by Nobody: 12:34am On Oct 25, 2012
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Re: Do You Consider Somalis As Black? by Abagworo(m): 12:35am On Oct 25, 2012
basra: Dude Somalis are not bantu. Bantu is a language.
Somali language is afroasiatic same as arab and hebrew.
Stop bending over to claim Somali people.
We are not the same ethnicity.
We are neither arab or bantu.
We along with the 140 million horners in ethiopia, somalia, sudan, eritrea, southern egypt are older than niggers and arabs.

Hope you are aware that the most spoken language in Nigeria and West Africa is Hausa and it is an Afroasiatic language as well.
Re: Do You Consider Somalis As Black? by Nobody: 12:37am On Oct 25, 2012
*Kails*:


grin
cheesy
Re: Do You Consider Somalis As Black? by Nobody: 12:45am On Oct 25, 2012
mondi_cheeks: cheesy

i love how he logs off and reads the insults. grin

i swear he is hilarious.
Re: Do You Consider Somalis As Black? by Nobody: 12:47am On Oct 25, 2012
Abagworo:

Hope you are aware that the most spoken language in Nigeria and West Africa is Hausa and it is an Afroasiatic language as well.

that is true.
and i heard (kew word HEARD) the same name for "goat" in Hausa is also the same in Somali (could be wrong...saw it on a comment on youtube).
Re: Do You Consider Somalis As Black? by Nobody: 12:52am On Oct 25, 2012
*Kails*:


i love how he logs off and reads the insults. grin

i swear he is hilarious.
hahaha tell me about it
Re: Do You Consider Somalis As Black? by Nobody: 12:57am On Oct 25, 2012
Sagamite: Here is the hierarchy of the major ethnic groups in the UK in terms of success professionally plus in terms of Wealth:

- Jews
- Whites (includes white SAcans)
- Chinese
- Indians
- Premier Africans (mainly Nigerians and but also Ghanaians and Kenyans)
- Pakistanis (held back by their religion and big families)
- Middle range Africans (SA, Uganda, Zambia etc)
- Bangladeshi (held back by their religion and big families)
- Carribeans
- Rest of Africa (French speaking [like Zaire, Senegal], Sudan etc)
- Ethiopians and Eritreans
- Somalis

Look at how far down your cretinous, skinny arsses are but yet you have the audacity to challenge people above your league in achievements?

Why do you like making up stupid lists just to big up Nigerians in the UK? I'm Nigerian and I'm proud of my ancestry/Nationality - however, I detest lies!

Caribbeans, Pakistanis, and Bangladeshis are far ahead of Nigerians in the UK...

Most of the black Aristocrats, black MPs, and richest black Britons are of Caribbean ancestry...

There are loads of Pakistanis that work at the top at both the home office and DVLA... And the same can be said about Bangladeshis...

The Chinese don't belong in the top6 tier in the UK...
Re: Do You Consider Somalis As Black? by Nobody: 12:59am On Oct 25, 2012
the culture section is a warzone tonight. -_-
Re: Do You Consider Somalis As Black? by Pennywise(m): 6:46am On Oct 25, 2012
@Luul,Basra and Somali5-6,
I hope you took the re-education you had on NL with you and pass it on to your recently misinformed country men and women.

Don't go to America, Europe etc claiming u are not black. You will be sent straight to an asylum (a real one without giro). When u fill d form remember to tick 'black'. Afro-asiatic is not a race and as u have learnt we have a few tribes in Nigeria that are 'afro-asiatic'.

Its a pity all those u wanted to recruit in your campaign took flight.

Don't forget that we don't hate u. We still love u even with your weird ideas.
Re: Do You Consider Somalis As Black? by somalia6: 7:25am On Oct 25, 2012
dipshid...we are not black. Give me prove. Cause i have plenty of prove. dna, History, culture, language which is afroasicatic, all somalis refer to themselves as somalis and refer to africans as black.

all you have is an afrocentric view which is nothing without the horn of africa. looser get a life and stop claiming Somalis.


Go to Somalinet and tell them they are black....lmao below are some comments from somalinet...lol


Why the hell are u bringing adoons to our weddings anywayz. Not another adoon lover. brother muqtaar need to come back. Only patriotic somali girl in this forum is SnowFlakes.

King-of-Awdal
SomaliNet Super


Eh dont think i cant read somali now a dayz. i dont hate Blacks but i dont believe in inter mixing and again they not even muslims so why should we care.



dude if u classify urself black than good for you cause i dont. Iam somali period. Just cause a white man wants to call me black that doesnt make me one and secondly i doubt those people she took to that somali wedding were muslim. You live in an Arab country, you have no idea the race relations in the west.


http://www.somalinet.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=167391&start=45


here are some more from another thread.


it is true. Go to the most educated black man and observe them carefully, they are still ignorant.


Do you know that blacks has destroyed the only industrilized nation in africa built by whites? South africa! once a glory star it is now violent and stopped developing.


The whites view me as a Somali first and then as black. Obviously, we somalis look different from the typical negro look. Thank God for our looks and our somali nationalism, it gives us lee way.

http://www.somalinet.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=310499[b][/b]
Re: Do You Consider Somalis As Black? by somalia6: 7:35am On Oct 25, 2012
Here are some more somali peoples opinons on blacks...This loser telling us somalis are black when we despise negroids...


South Afrika belongs to the Afrikaners. Black deserve to be returned to the apartheid era for their own sake.



Lool apartheid is a dutch word u got to love the dutch niggers stay in the bushes and the dutch running the country



The great dutch Mr shoerd and mr klaas build South Africa and later the Brits these black negroes didnt do shit the white man brought them civilization and thats a fact now he left them they bleeped up the country typiical negroes the same with zimbabwe stupid mugabe cant farm nor can his people and he is kicking the whites out of africa.

http://www.somalinet.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=310437
Re: Do You Consider Somalis As Black? by somalia6: 7:47am On Oct 25, 2012
I keep on saying that adoons are nothing but animals, there is truth to this saying waalaahi. This sri lanka looking indian old man did not like his son marrying an adoon woman. She ends up getting pregnant--- and the father in law ends up hiring a bunch of adoons to murder her. I understand indians being racist idiots, the old man was actually caught many times calling adoons the n word,-- that doesnt surprise me. But what really gauls me is ----these adoons who were hired to kill? When they saw a fellow adoon woman--pretty but with big saan, only 22, did they even feel a little bit guilty---thinking to themselves---ok this is a fellow sister--why the hell will i do this? No---they took a couple of hundreds from the old man and kill her. This begs the question---are adoons animals?



somali everyday over an ex slave




Somalis aren't black because:

1) We can't dance. All blacks have an almost innate sense of rhythm we Somalis simply lack.

2) We have innies. All blacks are born with outies, fact.



i know this xabasha girl and she really hates the african student association

i went to their meetings and its all nigerian... and most of them are wild animals


http://www.somalinet.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=288&t=310347&start=120


do these somalis who are/were in somali government look black too you.

Re: Do You Consider Somalis As Black? by Pennywise(m): 8:59am On Oct 25, 2012
I intend to come to somalinet and put up tent for a month to properly re-educate you all.

So you are not black bc u don't like to dance? It appears years of inbreeding has taken its toll on your intelligence. Much of other things I read didn't make sense. It is tragic if that is d best Somali 'elite' has to offer. What abt d man on the street.

Besides Your grammar is flawed and you have a tendency to fill in with meaningless local jargon. In what language are you tot by d way.

I will make u see that Nigerians are a different kind of blacks- away from your bantu forefathers.

Eventually on this thread I will make you see and you will admit with your own mouth that you are BLACK and that u belong to no other race.
Re: Do You Consider Somalis As Black? by somalia6: 9:26am On Oct 25, 2012
we are as arab as we are bantu. Bantu is a language. what you guys are is negroid.


Look at these famous somalis.

these are the leaders of somalia right now.

1. PRESIDENT OF SOMALIA

2. PRESIDENT OF PUNTLAND (NORTHERN SOMALIA)

3. PRESIDENT OF SOMALILAND (NORTH WESTERN SOMALIA)

4. PRIME MINISTER OF SOMALIA





Do these guys look Negroid to you? lol

IF ANYONE SAID THAT THESE GUYS ARE NEGROID. EVERYONE WOULD BURST OUT LAUGHING.

Re: Do You Consider Somalis As Black? by somalia6: 9:46am On Oct 25, 2012
LOOK AT THESE MORE SOMALIS IN HIGH OFFICE.


1. SOMALI AMBASSADOR TO ETHIOPIA

2. SOMALI ENVOY TO USA

3. SOMALI CHIEF OF STAFF TO THE PRESIDENT

4. TWO SOMALI FEMALE WHO WERE PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATES



again anyone who said these somalis could pass for bantus must be high...lmao

Re: Do You Consider Somalis As Black? by somalia6: 9:52am On Oct 25, 2012
look at these somalis.


1. SOMALI PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE

2. FORMER SOMALI PRESIDENT (ABDULLAHI YUSUF)

3. FORMER SOMALI PRESIDENT (ABDIQASIM HASSAN)

4. FORMER PRIME MINISTER OF SOMALIA


LMAO NOW GO TELL ANY NIGERIAN IF THESE SOMALI LEADERS LOOK BANTU TO YOU. LMAO

STOP CLAIMING SOMALIS IT LOOKS SO PATHETIC TO RUN AFTER PEOPLE WHO LOOK AT YOU AS A SLAVE. LMAO

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