@rotas U seem to know much about occultism.How did u come to know dat catholics jehova's witnesses and adventists are occultic if u are nt a member of thesame occult group. Pls let's try to discuss in a way that is pleasing to God. Since we are trying to spread his gospel.

rotas: u dont need graven image.thou shall not serve any graven image before me.i wonder why images shd be placed in d churches.idolatory.

. Hmm. IS A PICTURE OR PHOTOGRAPH NOT AN IMAGE, WHY DO ALL CHRIST EMBASSY CHURCH HAVE PASTOR CHRIS PICTURE IN THEIR CHURCH,BY THE GATE AND EVEN IN STICKERS

rotas: u dont need graven image.thou shall not serve any graven image before me.i wonder why images shd be placed in d churches.idolatory.

I don't subscribe to that. What is the need? Spirit has more to do with the unseen rather than the seen. Consider the Spiritual - God, Heaven, Angels, Devil, demons, etc - they are unseen. So, graven images will only tend to make you concentrate on the seen.
And that brings into context what Jesus said, "these people will be ever hearing(physical) but never understanding(spiritual), ever seeing(physical) but never perceiving(spiritual)...Matthew 13:13-15.
What do you think Jesus meant when He said, in John 6:63 that The words I have spoken to you are spirit?

pls all dis anti-catholic shud face their own church and leave catholic

rotas: @italo.i now know that u know little about d religion u ar following.point of note saints are said to be dead pple in christ which is wrong.im a saint yet alive.ur dead religion is disturbing ur reasoning.no dead saint or angel will ever pray 4u.not even Mary.stop decieving urself.pray to Jesus directly.or i wl help u talk to Jesus.dont look for dead saint.saul looked for soccerer to call d dead samuel so as to interceed.it caused d death of saul d nxt day.dat is why catholics ar dead today.

Jesus said "he who believes in me will never die"

Sadly, you think they are dead...but we will believe Jesus, not you.

chillykelly86:
I don't subscribe to that. What is the need? Spirit has more to do with the unseen rather than the seen. Consider the Spiritual - God, Heaven, Angels, Devil, demons, etc - they are unseen. So, graven images will only tend to make you concentrate on the seen.
And that brings into context what Jesus said, "these people will be ever hearing(physical) but never understanding(spiritual), ever seeing(physical) but never perceiving(spiritual)...Matthew 13:13-15.
What do you think Jesus meant when He said, in John 6:63 that The words I have spoken to you are spirit?

But the images we use draw our minds to heavenly things.

Or are you going to tell us that our minds is not being drawn to heavenly things?

That would mean you are God who sees the mind. No?

italo:

But the images we use draw our minds to heavenly things.

Or are you going to tell us that our minds is not being drawn to heavenly things?

That would mean you are God who sees the mind. No?

Please make out time to study I Corinthians 2:6-16 - {Excerpts}...The Spirit searches all things, even the deep things of God. For who among men knows the thoughts of a man except the man's spirit within him? In the same way no-one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God(NIV)
If any man has the Spirit of God in him and the Spirit(Who searches all things,including men's hearts) has determined to reveal unto that person what is in a man's heart, that man is said to have discernment. Summarily, it is possible for a man to discern what another man has hidden in his heart.
Example in the early church:- Peter's encounter with Ananias and Saphira.

And if you are sincerely not interested in unnecessary argument, why would you generalize? (But the images we use draw our minds to heavenly things.

Or are you going to tell us that our minds is not being drawn to heavenly things?) Are you speaking for everyone?

chillykelly86:

Please make out time to study I Corinthians 2:6-16 - {Excerpts}...The Spirit searches all things, even the deep things of God. For who among men knows the thoughts of a man except the man's spirit within him? In the same way no-one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God(NIV)
If any man has the Spirit of God in him and the Spirit(Who searches all things,including men's hearts) has determined to reveal unto that person what is in a man's heart, that man is said to have discernment. Summarily, it is possible for a man to discern what another man has hidden in his heart.
Example in the early church:- Peter's encounter with Ananias and Saphira.

And if you are sincerely not interested in unnecessary argument, why would you generalize? (But the images we use draw our minds to heavenly things.

Or are you going to tell us that our minds is not being drawn to heavenly things?) Are you speaking for everyone?

Please just answer the question. I never said "everyone's" hearts are drawn to heaventhings through the images "everyone" uses. I said "we." We could be 2, 3, 100 or even 1.2billion Catholics so please answer.

Will/can you tell us that our minds are not being drawn to heavenly things through the images?

rotas: Catholics have been deeply rooted in occult. Jesuit,Knight of columbus,freemason.i know d secrets of roman catholic. ur freemason logo are everywhere. not only catholics anyway.Jehovah witnesses and seventh day adventist leaders are members of d new world order.:freemason....cain.he that hath an ear let him hear.

Rotas are you serious? Is it just these three groups? Please enlighten us more lest we make mistake

Italo and Tobechi ehn!