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Re: The Difference Between "Islam" And A "Muslim" by lanrexlan(m): 6:40am On May 11, 2013 |
Kairoseki77:Wecome mr 'copy and paste',know nothing about islam quoting verses out of context.This is your answer.This verse has been misquoted in a manner similar to other verses to prove terrorism in Islam and to make people hate it.It is also historically out of context. The full context is: "But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them and seize them,beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war);but if they repent and establish regular prayers and practise regular charity, then open the way for them:for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.If one amongst the Pagans ask thee for asylum, grant it to him,so that he may hear the word of Allah and then escort him to where he can be secure.That is because they are men without knowledge. How can there be for the polytheists a treaty in the sight of Allah and with His Messenger except for those with whom you made a treaty at al- Masjid al-Haram?So as long as they are upright toward you, be upright toward them.Indeed,Allah loves the righteous [who fear Him]. " [Quran 9:5-7] The verse once again refers to those pagans who would continue to fight after the period of peace.It clearly commands the Muslims to protect those who seek peace and are non- combatants.It is a specific verse with a specific ruling and can in no way be applied to general situations. The command of the verse was only to be applied in the event of a battle.As Abdullah Yusuf Ali writes: The emphasis is on the first clause: it is only when the four months of grace are past, andthe other party show no sign of desisting from their treacherous design by right conduct, that the state of war supervenes- between Faith and Unfaith. (Yusuf Ali, The Holy Qur’an, Text, Translation and Commentary, emphasis added) Dr. Maher Hathout gives an explanation on the historical context of the verse: This verse was revealed towards the end of the revelation period and relates to a limited context.Hostilities were frozen for a three-month period during which the Arabs pledged not to wage war. Prophet Muhammad was inspired to use this period to encourage the combatants to join the Muslim ranks or, if they chose, to leave the area that was under Muslims rule; however,if they were to resume hostilities, then the Muslims would fight back until victorious.One is inspired to note that even in this context of war,the verse concludes by emphasizing the divine attributes of mercy and forgiveness.To minimize hostilities,the Qur'an ordered Muslims to grant asylum to anyone,even an enemy, who sought refuge. Asylum would be granted according to the customs of chivalry; the person would be told the message of the Qur'an but not coerced into accepting that message. Thereafter, he or she would be escorted to safety regardless of his or her religion. (9:6). (Hathout, Jihad vs. Terrorism; US Multimedia Vera International, 2002, pp.52-53, emphasis added) Ibn al-`Arabi, in his commentary on the Qur’an, writes: “It is clear from this that the meaning of this verse is to kill the paganswho are waging war against you.” (Ahkam al-Qur’an: 2/456, emphasis added) The verse 13 of the same chapter makes it clear that it is a self defensive verse revealed by Allah “Will you not fight people who broke their covenants and plotted to expel the Messenger and attacked you first?” [Sûrah al-Tawbah: 13] 2 Likes |
Re: The Difference Between "Islam" And A "Muslim" by omartins(m): 6:42am On May 11, 2013 |
ddippset: what difference are you looking for again na? they are both nouns. islam is the abstract noun, muslim is the proper noun. islam is the religion, muslim is the person.Thanks, you should have be the one to do the write up. |
Re: The Difference Between "Islam" And A "Muslim" by Kairoseki77: 6:44am On May 11, 2013 |
tintingz: i will ask again... If all muslim are sucide bomber how come you are still able to type rubbish? This guy explains why Christians don't follow the Old Testament better than I could. He uses lots of direct quotes. http://carm.org/why-do-christians-not-obey-old-testaments-commands-to-kill-homosexuals 1 Like |
Re: The Difference Between "Islam" And A "Muslim" by lanrexlan(m): 6:47am On May 11, 2013 |
To your second verse you quoted out of context.The verse is taken out of context both historical context and the context of the verse itself in the Qur'an. Let us first examine the full verse: "[Remember] when your Lord inspired to the angels, "I am with you,so strengthen those who have believed.I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieved,so strike [them] upon the necks and strike from them every fingertip.That is because they opposed Allah and His Messenger. And whoever opposes Allah and His Messenger - indeed,Allah is severe in penalty." [Anfal 8:12-13] That is the context of the verse in the Qur'an. The historical context is that this verse was revealed at the Battle of Badr, a battle in which the pagans of Makkah traveled over 200 miles to destroy the Muslims of Madinah.The Pagans of Makkah had an army of about 1000 while the Muslims were only 300 followers. The Prophet Muhammad ((peace be upon him)) and his followers had suffered severe persecutions and torture for 13 years in the city of Makkah. Having fled from Makkah to the safety of Madinah, they found that they were once again threatened by Makkans and have to defend themselve.It is clear from the below verse that the Makkans were fighting against Allah,His Messenger and Islam "There has already been for you a Sign in the two armies that met (in combat): One was fighting in the cause of Allah,the other resisting Allah; these saw with their own eyes Twice their number.But Allah doth support with His aid whom He pleaseth. In this is a warning for such as have eyes to see." [Qur'an: Al-i-Imran 3:13] The Makkans were not satisfied with expelling the Muslims from Makkah and subsequently desired that they be purged from the surroundings of all major trade routes.So God supported the Muslims and informed them that God would allow justice to prevail over oppression. He informed them that they should not fear fighting in God's path, but it is the enemies who should fear God's retribution for their oppression and injustice. Also, God inspired the ANGELS to support the believers and strike the disbelievers.This was NOT a command for the Muslims. Allah helped Muslim at Battle of Badr by sending angels.The Quran confirms this in "(Remember)when you sought help of your Lord and He answered you (saying): "I will help you with a thousand of the angels,each behind the other (following one another) in succession." [Anfal 8:9] Ar-Rabi bin Anas said: “On the day of Badr people could see those who had been slain by the angels among the dead by the blows above the necks and on their fingertips which looked as if fire had burnt them.” [Bayhaqi]....peace 1 Like |
Re: The Difference Between "Islam" And A "Muslim" by Kairoseki77: 6:53am On May 11, 2013 |
lanrexlan: To your second verse you quoted out of context.The verse is taken out of context both historical context and the These books are written for eternity. They are supposed to be followed for an eternity. Each line is supposed to be an eternal truth, directly from an eternal God. Historical context shouldn't matter. You are making excuses. You are being dishonest. You can no more claim "historical context" about those quotes than you can about the parts of the Quran that command Muslims to not eat pork. |
Re: The Difference Between "Islam" And A "Muslim" by Walexz02(m): 7:23am On May 11, 2013 |
Jan koller.:if you can define christianity truely, then I will tell you how Jesus(isah) is not a christian. |
Re: The Difference Between "Islam" And A "Muslim" by RealSleek(m): 7:28am On May 11, 2013 |
tintingz: Lolz! So you trying to tell us that christians dont kill? Read about the crusaders that fought wars killing muslims and jews and come with feedback! Obviously u missed ur history class.....the crusaders fought to regain jerusalem for christendom and yes, the fought with muslim invaders 1 Like |
Re: The Difference Between "Islam" And A "Muslim" by Mintayo(m): 7:59am On May 11, 2013 |
lanrexlan: To your second verse you quoted out of context.The verse is taken out of context both historical context and the mr lanre,here we are again...u called someone copy and paste...and you have just copied and pasted what you have been pasted in all post...good for you. Like i said before,all these your writings should be sent to BOKO-HARAM, ALQUEDA and all other arab nations etc, not here in NL,they are the ones that need them...they are the ones that is practising AND FOLLOWING ISLAM. Except they stop,then you have not been able to prove anything...if boko haram are not muslims,what about alqueda or those arab nations...pls let us stop decieving ourselves! Can you seperate islam from mohammed? A true muslim follow the teachings and words of mohammed and allah! 1 Like |
Re: The Difference Between "Islam" And A "Muslim" by Mintayo(m): 8:01am On May 11, 2013 |
RealSleek: don't mind him,instead of him to talk about the topic;he is derailing again...i am not surprised! 2 Likes |
Re: The Difference Between "Islam" And A "Muslim" by AbdH: 8:04am On May 11, 2013 |
RealSleek:So Christians killed to regain a city? Why didn't they turn the other cheek? No doubt that the bible inspired them to kill. Let me pay you back in your own coins: the crusaders have always been the real Christians for they follow(ed) the bible with zest. The rest of you are just pretenders who profess fake love just so you can lure the weak to polytheism. 1 Like |
Re: The Difference Between "Islam" And A "Muslim" by Mintayo(m): 8:05am On May 11, 2013 |
lanrexlan: Wecome mr 'copy and paste',know nothing about islam quoting verses out of context.This is your answer.This verse has been misquoted in a manner similar to other verses like i said,send these to the proper channels-boko and co! |
Re: The Difference Between "Islam" And A "Muslim" by Mintayo(m): 8:10am On May 11, 2013 |
AbdH: lets agree that they are christains,please what year was that? What year do we have boko-haram? Do we still have the crusaders? Do we still have boko-haram? Do we still have alqueda? You better get your facts right-the guy u quote has given u a good answer and let me add-the crusade then was a selfish act by 'catholics' ,and some pagan europian countries including some muslims to take back Jerusalem...so get your fact right! Can you seperate islam from mohammed? 1 Like |
Re: The Difference Between "Islam" And A "Muslim" by novicali: 8:18am On May 11, 2013 |
This is hilarious, you cannot separate a building from its foundation. A Muslim is a Muslim because he believed in the teachings of Islam, and what does Islam teach? Read Koran you will find out. Those who follow the teaching of Islam are called Muslim, the imbibe in its doctrines and live it out. So somebody cannot come up to bam buzz us that Islam is different from Muslim. A Muslim is a Muslim because of Islam and Islam is what it is today because of Muslims. 1 Like |
Re: The Difference Between "Islam" And A "Muslim" by AbdH: 8:28am On May 11, 2013 |
Mintayo:So what year did Breivik kill tens of innocent people? In case you don't know, there are still crusaders. |
Re: The Difference Between "Islam" And A "Muslim" by novicali: 8:33am On May 11, 2013 |
The crusaders are not Christians, these are Europe empires on adventure of conquering grounds for themselves. Christianity was not spread by means of war.. read your history very well. Unlike Islam that was spread by war and conquering people…. And that is the reason for the name Islam which means surrender or submit. Surrender to the who to the power of one the one who was coercing them to believe. 2 Likes |
Re: The Difference Between "Islam" And A "Muslim" by novicali: 8:37am On May 11, 2013 |
Islam does not mean peace as most Muslims claim, Islam means surrender. Peace in Arabic language is Salam. Salam malaku… peace be unto this house. 2 Likes |
Re: The Difference Between "Islam" And A "Muslim" by AbdH: 8:42am On May 11, 2013 |
novicali: The crusaders are not Christians, these are Europe empires on adventure of conquering grounds for themselves. Christianity was not spread by means of war.. read your history very well. Unlike Islam that was spread by war and conquering people…. And that is the reason for the name Islam which means surrender or submit. Surrender to the who to the power of one the one who was coercing them to believe.Okay, they were just wearing the cross on their necks and dresses to represent an European empire. They fought with their hearts for the Church and are your heroes. |
Re: The Difference Between "Islam" And A "Muslim" by novicali: 8:47am On May 11, 2013 |
I don’t think that the Muslims are the problem, rather, the source of their orientation, because you can only live by what you are taught or know. So the Muslims are Muslims because of the orientation of Islam…. So the doctrine is the problem, and it is apt to say that if you want to blow off the fire you have to get to the base which is the source, if not the fire will continue to spread. |
Re: The Difference Between "Islam" And A "Muslim" by idris4r83(m): 8:49am On May 11, 2013 |
tspun: we known there is difference btw both. D problem i am having is tring to understand y any religion (islam) will promise is people (muslim) a reward for killing innocent people.pls Explain if u can.Islam is a religion of peace and It condemns all forms of terrorism as Almighty Allah says in surah 5vs32 "if anyone kills a human being unless for murder or spreading corruption in the land it will be as if he has killed the whole of mankind". A muslim is someone who practices the teaching of the koran. Killing innocent human beings is never part of islamic teaching. I don't know any other religion that explicitly condemn terrorism as islam. Oscar pistorius is a christian, does that mean christianity condones his killing of his innocent girlfriend? Am waiting 4 answers. 1 Like |
Re: The Difference Between "Islam" And A "Muslim" by novicali: 8:50am On May 11, 2013 |
That they were wearing cross does not in any way make them Christians, the Christians that spread the gospel never killed anybody to do that |
Re: The Difference Between "Islam" And A "Muslim" by Infoman51: 8:54am On May 11, 2013 |
Mintayo:what about lord resistance army of uganda and IRA of ireland these are current crusaders if you dont know, there are many of them around the world. They have better understanding of bible than you do |
Re: The Difference Between "Islam" And A "Muslim" by Vincyril(m): 8:56am On May 11, 2013 |
lanrexlan: To your second verse you quoted out of context.The verse is taken out of context both historical context and the @lanrexlan, frm ur points above, r we (canals) suppozd 2 fight for God (our creator) or HIM fight for us? |
Re: The Difference Between "Islam" And A "Muslim" by novicali: 8:57am On May 11, 2013 |
That people claim to be Christians does not make them to.... Christians follows the real teachings of Christianity, in the same way real Muslims follow the real teachings of Islam.... and if you want to find out what the teachings of Islam is read the Koran: from chapter 5 - 9 that is the basic and fundamental that stands as the pillars of Islam, and if dont practice those fatuas (decrees) you are not a true Muslim, which means you dont believe in Islam |
Re: The Difference Between "Islam" And A "Muslim" by novicali: 9:01am On May 11, 2013 |
Any organization that fights war in the name of Christianity is fake, Christians dont fight war or kill. Because we do not fight for our God...... and moreover we did not create any soul, so how then do we destroy souls because we want to please the God that created them.... He that created them knows how to destroy them..... this is the truth. |
Re: The Difference Between "Islam" And A "Muslim" by xclusive43(m): 9:03am On May 11, 2013 |
please i did not intend to create any problem just making things clear 1. Media maligns Islam a. Islam is without doubt the best religion but the media is in the hands of the westerners who are afraid of Islam. The media is continuously broadcasting and printing information against Islam. They either provide misinformation about Islam, misquote Islam or project a point out of proportion, if any. b. When any bomb blast takes place anywhere, the first people to be accused without proof are invariably the Muslims. This appears as headlines in the news. Later, when they find that non-Muslims were responsible, it appears as an insignificant news’ item. c. If a 50-year old Muslim marries a 15-year old girl after taking her permission, it appears on the front page but when a 50- year old non-Muslim rapes a 6-year old girl, it may appear in the news in the inside pages as ‘Newsbriefs’. Everyday America on an average 2,713 cases of rape take place but it doesn’t appear in the news, since it has become a way of life for the Americans. 2. Blacksheep in every community I am aware that there are some Muslims who are dishonest, unreliable, who cheat, etc. but the media projects this as though only Muslims are involved in such activities. There are blacksheep in every community. I know Muslims who are alcoholics and who can drink most of the non-Muslims under the table. 3. Muslims best as a whole Inspite of all the blacksheep in the Muslim community, Muslims taken on the whole, yet form the best community in the world. We are the biggest community of teetotallers as a whole, i.e. those who don’t imbibe alcohol. Collectively, we are a community which gives the maximum charity in the world. There is not a single person in the world who can even show a candle to the Muslims where modesty is concerned; where sobriety is concerned; where human values and ethics are concerned. 4. Don’t judge a car by its driver If you want to judge how good is the latest model of the “Mercedes” car and a person who does not know how to drive sits at the steering wheel and bangs up the car, who will you blame? The car or the driver? But naturally, the driver. To analyze how good the car is, a person should not look at the driver but see the ability and features of the car. How fast is it, what is its average fuel consumption, what are the safety measures, etc. Even if I agree for the sake of argument that the Muslims are bad, we can’t judge Islam by its followers! If you want to judge how good Islam is then judge it according to its authentic sources, i.e. the Glorious Qur’an and the Sahih Hadith. 5. Judge Islam by its best follower i.e. Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) If you practically want to check how good a car is, put an expert driver behind the steering wheel. Similarly the best and the most exemplary follower of Islam by whom you can check how good Islam is, is the last and final messenger of God, Prophet Muhammad (pbuh). Besides Muslims, there are several honest and unbiased non-Muslim historians who have acclaimed that prophet Muhammad (pbuh) was the best human being. According to Michael H. Hart who wrote the book, ‘The 100 Most Influential Men in History’, the topmost position, i.e. the number one position goes to the beloved prophet of Islam, Muhammad (pbuh). There are several such examples of non- Muslims paying great tributes to the prophet (pbuh), like Thomas Carlyle, La- Martine, etc. |
Re: The Difference Between "Islam" And A "Muslim" by xclusive43(m): 9:04am On May 11, 2013 |
please i did not intend to create any problem just making things clear 1. Media maligns Islam a. Islam is without doubt the best religion but the media is in the hands of the westerners who are afraid of Islam. The media is continuously broadcasting and printing information against Islam. They either provide misinformation about Islam, misquote Islam or project a point out of proportion, if any. b. When any bomb blast takes place anywhere, the first people to be accused without proof are invariably the Muslims. This appears as headlines in the news. Later, when they find that non-Muslims were responsible, it appears as an insignificant news’ item. c. If a 50-year old Muslim marries a 15-year old girl after taking her permission, it appears on the front page but when a 50- year old non-Muslim rapes a 6-year old girl, it may appear in the news in the inside pages as ‘Newsbriefs’. Everyday America on an average 2,713 cases of rape take place but it doesn’t appear in the news, since it has become a way of life for the Americans. 2. Blacksheep in every community I am aware that there are some Muslims who are dishonest, unreliable, who cheat, etc. but the media projects this as though only Muslims are involved in such activities. There are blacksheep in every community. I know Muslims who are alcoholics and who can drink most of the non-Muslims under the table. 3. Muslims best as a whole Inspite of all the blacksheep in the Muslim community, Muslims taken on the whole, yet form the best community in the world. We are the biggest community of teetotallers as a whole, i.e. those who don’t imbibe alcohol. Collectively, we are a community which gives the maximum charity in the world. There is not a single person in the world who can even show a candle to the Muslims where modesty is concerned; where sobriety is concerned; where human values and ethics are concerned. 4. Don’t judge a car by its driver If you want to judge how good is the latest model of the “Mercedes” car and a person who does not know how to drive sits at the steering wheel and bangs up the car, who will you blame? The car or the driver? But naturally, the driver. To analyze how good the car is, a person should not look at the driver but see the ability and features of the car. How fast is it, what is its average fuel consumption, what are the safety measures, etc. Even if I agree for the sake of argument that the Muslims are bad, we can’t judge Islam by its followers! If you want to judge how good Islam is then judge it according to its authentic sources, i.e. the Glorious Qur’an and the Sahih Hadith. 5. Judge Islam by its best follower i.e. Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) If you practically want to check how good a car is, put an expert driver behind the steering wheel. Similarly the best and the most exemplary follower of Islam by whom you can check how good Islam is, is the last and final messenger of God, Prophet Muhammad (pbuh). Besides Muslims, there are several honest and unbiased non-Muslim historians who have acclaimed that prophet Muhammad (pbuh) was the best human being. According to Michael H. Hart who wrote the book, ‘The 100 Most Influential Men in History’, the topmost position, i.e. the number one position goes to the beloved prophet of Islam, Muhammad (pbuh). There are several such examples of non- Muslims paying great tributes to the prophet (pbuh), like Thomas Carlyle, La- Martine, etc. |
Re: The Difference Between "Islam" And A "Muslim" by novicali: 9:06am On May 11, 2013 |
Jesus never asked anybody to go kill because of Him.... there is a great difference between preaching to people and coercing people with sword to believe. Anybody killing because of Christ is doing that on his own. 2 Likes |
Re: The Difference Between "Islam" And A "Muslim" by novicali: 9:12am On May 11, 2013 |
You cannot say Islam is the best religion...... that is funny... Islam can be judged by its foundation, I mean the founders the live they lived, I mean, the Mohammadas, The Omars, the Abubakars, the Sadiqs and how the Shia founders regards them I mean The Hassan and Hussein. what did they say about them and the book of Islam, the doctrines in it .... how is it affecting the lives of people in the world..... only by that you can say Islam is the best religion.... |
Re: The Difference Between "Islam" And A "Muslim" by Vincyril(m): 9:21am On May 11, 2013 |
xclusive43: please i did not intend to create any problem just making things clear1. Re bokoharam, alqueada, talibans etc not muslims? 2. Dt sm1 is influencial doz nt necessarily mean dt, dt person is doin d ryt tin. Pls lets stop deceiving ourselves here |
Re: The Difference Between "Islam" And A "Muslim" by novicali: 9:21am On May 11, 2013 |
You wouldn't like to know the history of what happened at the Shia shrine ..... before saying Islam is the best religion... why do the Shia celebrate Asuna?.... Why do sunny call shia unbelievers?......why is it so that the shia do not really believe in Mohammad? what was that they discovered about him?..... if say Islam is the best religion then you have paucity of knowledge of what Islam is all about. |
Re: The Difference Between "Islam" And A "Muslim" by Vincyril(m): 9:23am On May 11, 2013 |
xclusive43: please i did not intend to create any problem just making things clear1. Re bokoharam, alqueada, talibans etc not muslims? 2. Dt sm1 is influencial doz nt necessarily mean dt, dt person is doin d ryt tin. Pls lets stop deceiving ourselves here |
Re: The Difference Between "Islam" And A "Muslim" by AbdH: 9:24am On May 11, 2013 |
novicali: Any organization that fights war in the name of Christianity is fake, Christians dont fight war or kill. Because we do not fight for our God...... and moreover we did not create any soul, so how then do we destroy souls because we want to please the God that created them.... He that created them knows how to destroy them..... this is the truth.The same thing Muslims have been telling you about BH but you wouldn't listen meanwhile you are quick to use the same reason to condemn the crusaders. |
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