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Re: The Difference Between "Islam" And A "Muslim" by lanrexlan(m): 6:40am On May 11, 2013
Kairoseki77:

According to them, non-Muslims are infidels and idolaters. According to the Quran, infidels and idolaters have three choices, we can either submit to Muslim rule, we can convert to Islam and pay tax, or we must die.

Quote from the Quran: Quran (9:5) - "Slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captive and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the tax, leave their way free to them"

I'm not sure what's "spiritual" about any of that. Either way, just be armed when dealing with them, and don't hesitate to protect yourself.

Quote from the Quran about non-believers:

Quran (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them."

Those two sentences are why terrorists decapitate their captives. Some may say they are misinterpreting the Quran, and that they are not really Muslims, but you decide for yourself.

Lastly, Muslims are commanded to never be friends with us "infidels".

Quote from the Quran: Quran (4:89) - "They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks."

Note to moderators: read my comment several times before you decide to delete it. NOTHING I said should be offensive. Especially not the quotes from the Quran, because what sense would it make for a Muslim to be offended by the Quran. Just use common sense.
Wecome mr 'copy and paste',know nothing about islam quoting verses out of context.This is your answer.This verse has been misquoted in a manner similar to other verses
to prove terrorism in Islam and to make people hate it.It is also
historically out of context.
The full context is:
"But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the
Pagans wherever ye find them and seize them,beleaguer them,
and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war);but if they
repent and establish regular prayers and practise regular charity,
then open the way for them:for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most
Merciful.If one amongst the Pagans ask thee for asylum,
grant it to him,so that he may hear the word of Allah and
then escort him to where he can be secure.That is
because they are men without knowledge. How can there be for
the polytheists a treaty in the sight of Allah and with His
Messenger except for those with whom you made a treaty at al-
Masjid al-Haram?So as long as they are upright toward you,
be upright toward them.Indeed,Allah loves the righteous
[who fear Him]. " [Quran 9:5-7]
The verse once again refers to those pagans who would continue
to fight after the period of peace.It clearly commands the
Muslims to protect those who seek peace and are non-
combatants.It is a specific verse with a specific ruling and can in
no way be applied to general situations. The command of the
verse was only to be applied in the event of a battle.As Abdullah
Yusuf Ali writes:
The emphasis is on the first clause: it is only when the four
months of grace are past, andthe other party show no
sign of desisting from their treacherous design by
right conduct, that the state of war supervenes-
between Faith and Unfaith. (Yusuf Ali, The Holy Qur’an,
Text, Translation and Commentary, emphasis added)
Dr. Maher Hathout gives an explanation on the historical context
of the verse:
This verse was revealed towards the end of the revelation
period and relates to a limited context.Hostilities were
frozen for a three-month period during which the Arabs
pledged not to wage war. Prophet Muhammad was
inspired to use this period to encourage the combatants to
join the Muslim ranks or, if they chose, to leave the area
that was under Muslims rule; however,if they were to
resume hostilities, then the Muslims would fight
back until victorious.One is inspired to note that even in
this context of war,the verse concludes by emphasizing
the divine attributes of mercy and forgiveness.To
minimize hostilities,the Qur'an ordered Muslims to grant
asylum to anyone,even an enemy, who sought refuge.
Asylum would be granted according to the customs of
chivalry; the person would be told the message of the
Qur'an but not coerced into accepting that message.
Thereafter, he or she would be escorted to safety
regardless of his or her religion. (9:6). (Hathout, Jihad vs.
Terrorism; US Multimedia Vera International, 2002,
pp.52-53, emphasis added)
Ibn al-`Arabi, in his commentary on the Qur’an, writes:
“It is clear from this that the meaning of this verse is to kill
the paganswho are waging war against
you.” (Ahkam al-Qur’an: 2/456, emphasis added)
The verse 13 of the same chapter makes it clear that it is a self
defensive verse revealed by Allah
“Will you not fight people who broke their covenants and plotted
to expel the Messenger and attacked you first?” [Sûrah al-Tawbah:
13]

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Re: The Difference Between "Islam" And A "Muslim" by omartins(m): 6:42am On May 11, 2013
ddippset: what difference are you looking for again na? they are both nouns. islam is the abstract noun, muslim is the proper noun. islam is the religion, muslim is the person.
Thanks, you should have be the one to do the write up.
Re: The Difference Between "Islam" And A "Muslim" by Kairoseki77: 6:44am On May 11, 2013
tintingz: i will ask again... If all muslim are sucide bomber how come you are still able to type rubbish?

Like muskeeto said what will you say to muslims that save christians from death?

Old testament is not old rules cuz Jesus didnt ignore the law before him nor brought a new law, or are you telling me god of OT bible repented?

This guy explains why Christians don't follow the Old Testament better than I could. He uses lots of direct quotes.

http://carm.org/why-do-christians-not-obey-old-testaments-commands-to-kill-homosexuals

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Re: The Difference Between "Islam" And A "Muslim" by lanrexlan(m): 6:47am On May 11, 2013
To your second verse you quoted out of context.The verse is taken out of context both historical context and the
context of the verse itself in the Qur'an. Let us first examine the
full verse:
"[Remember] when your Lord inspired to the angels, "I am with
you,so strengthen those who have believed.I will cast terror
into the hearts of those who disbelieved,so strike [them] upon
the necks and strike from them every fingertip.That is because
they opposed Allah and His Messenger. And whoever
opposes Allah and His Messenger - indeed,Allah is severe in
penalty." [Anfal 8:12-13]
That is the context of the verse in the Qur'an. The historical
context is that this verse was revealed at the Battle of Badr, a
battle in which the pagans of Makkah traveled over 200 miles to
destroy the Muslims of Madinah.The Pagans of Makkah had an
army of about 1000 while the Muslims were only 300 followers.
The Prophet Muhammad ((peace be upon him)) and his followers
had suffered severe persecutions and torture for 13 years in the
city of Makkah. Having fled from Makkah to the safety of Madinah,
they found that they were once again threatened by Makkans and
have to defend themselve.It is clear from the below verse that
the Makkans were fighting against Allah,His Messenger and Islam
"There has already been for you a Sign in the two armies that
met (in combat): One was fighting in the cause of Allah,the
other resisting Allah; these saw with their own eyes Twice
their number.But Allah doth support with His aid whom He
pleaseth. In this is a warning for such as have eyes to
see." [Qur'an: Al-i-Imran 3:13]
The Makkans were not satisfied with expelling the Muslims from
Makkah and subsequently desired that they be purged from the
surroundings of all major trade routes.So God supported the
Muslims and informed them that God would allow justice to
prevail over oppression. He informed them that they should not
fear fighting in God's path, but it is the enemies who should fear
God's retribution for their oppression and injustice. Also, God
inspired the ANGELS to support the believers and strike the
disbelievers.This was NOT a command for the Muslims.
Allah helped Muslim at Battle of Badr by sending angels.The
Quran confirms this in
"(Remember)when you sought help of your Lord and He
answered you (saying): "I will help you with a thousand
of the angels,each behind the other (following one another) in
succession." [Anfal 8:9]
Ar-Rabi bin Anas said: “On the day of Badr people could see
those who had been slain by the angels among the dead
by the blows above the necks and on their fingertips which
looked as if fire had burnt them.” [Bayhaqi]....peace

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Re: The Difference Between "Islam" And A "Muslim" by Kairoseki77: 6:53am On May 11, 2013
lanrexlan: To your second verse you quoted out of context.The verse is taken out of context both historical context and the
context of the verse itself in the Qur'an. Let us first examine the
full verse:
"[Remember] when your Lord inspired to the angels, "I am with
you,so strengthen those who have believed.I will cast terror
into the hearts of those who disbelieved,so strike [them] upon
the necks and strike from them every fingertip.That is because
they opposed Allah and His Messenger. And whoever
opposes Allah and His Messenger - indeed,Allah is severe in
penalty." [Anfal 8:12-13]
That is the context of the verse in the Qur'an. The historical
context is that this verse was revealed at the Battle of Badr, a
battle in which the pagans of Makkah traveled over 200 miles to
destroy the Muslims of Madinah.The Pagans of Makkah had an
army of about 1000 while the Muslims were only 300 followers.
The Prophet Muhammad ((peace be upon him)) and his followers
had suffered severe persecutions and torture for 13 years in the
city of Makkah. Having fled from Makkah to the safety of Madinah,
they found that they were once again threatened by Makkans and
have to defend themselve.It is clear from the below verse that
the Makkans were fighting against Allah,His Messenger and Islam
"There has already been for you a Sign in the two armies that
met (in combat): One was fighting in the cause of Allah,the
other resisting Allah; these saw with their own eyes Twice
their number.But Allah doth support with His aid whom He
pleaseth. In this is a warning for such as have eyes to
see." [Qur'an: Al-i-Imran 3:13]
The Makkans were not satisfied with expelling the Muslims from
Makkah and subsequently desired that they be purged from the
surroundings of all major trade routes.So God supported the
Muslims and informed them that God would allow justice to
prevail over oppression. He informed them that they should not
fear fighting in God's path, but it is the enemies who should fear
God's retribution for their oppression and injustice. Also, God
inspired the ANGELS to support the believers and strike the
disbelievers.This was NOT a command for the Muslims.
Allah helped Muslim at Battle of Badr by sending angels.The
Quran confirms this in
"(Remember)when you sought help of your Lord and He
answered you (saying): "I will help you with a thousand
of the angels,each behind the other (following one another) in
succession." [Anfal 8:9]
Ar-Rabi bin Anas said: “On the day of Badr people could see
those who had been slain by the angels among the dead
by the blows above the necks and on their fingertips which
looked as if fire had burnt them.” [Bayhaqi]....peace

These books are written for eternity. They are supposed to be followed for an eternity. Each line is supposed to be an eternal truth, directly from an eternal God.

Historical context shouldn't matter.

You are making excuses. You are being dishonest. You can no more claim "historical context" about those quotes than you can about the parts of the Quran that command Muslims to not eat pork.
Re: The Difference Between "Islam" And A "Muslim" by Walexz02(m): 7:23am On May 11, 2013
Jan koller.:
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Explain what you mean before i ban you for life.
if you can define christianity truely, then I will tell you how Jesus(isah) is not a christian.
Re: The Difference Between "Islam" And A "Muslim" by RealSleek(m): 7:28am On May 11, 2013
tintingz: Lolz! So you trying to tell us that christians dont kill? Read about the crusaders that fought wars killing muslims and jews and come with feedback!

More also your christain cleric rev. King is a good example of a crusader grin


Obviously u missed ur history class.....the crusaders fought to regain jerusalem for christendom and yes, the fought with muslim invaders

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Re: The Difference Between "Islam" And A "Muslim" by Mintayo(m): 7:59am On May 11, 2013
lanrexlan: To your second verse you quoted out of context.The verse is taken out of context both historical context and the
context of the verse itself in the Qur'an. Let us first examine the
full verse:
"[Remember] when your Lord inspired to the angels, "I am with
you,so strengthen those who have believed.I will cast terror
into the hearts of those who disbelieved,so strike [them] upon
the necks and strike from them every fingertip.That is because
they opposed Allah and His Messenger. And whoever
opposes Allah and His Messenger - indeed,Allah is severe in
penalty." [Anfal 8:12-13]
That is the context of the verse in the Qur'an. The historical
context is that this verse was revealed at the Battle of Badr, a
battle in which the pagans of Makkah traveled over 200 miles to
destroy the Muslims of Madinah.The Pagans of Makkah had an
army of about 1000 while the Muslims were only 300 followers.
The Prophet Muhammad ((peace be upon him)) and his followers
had suffered severe persecutions and torture for 13 years in the
city of Makkah. Having fled from Makkah to the safety of Madinah,
they found that they were once again threatened by Makkans and
have to defend themselve.It is clear from the below verse that
the Makkans were fighting against Allah,His Messenger and Islam
"There has already been for you a Sign in the two armies that
met (in combat): One was fighting in the cause of Allah,the
other resisting Allah; these saw with their own eyes Twice
their number.But Allah doth support with His aid whom He
pleaseth. In this is a warning for such as have eyes to
see." [Qur'an: Al-i-Imran 3:13]
The Makkans were not satisfied with expelling the Muslims from
Makkah and subsequently desired that they be purged from the
surroundings of all major trade routes.So God supported the
Muslims and informed them that God would allow justice to
prevail over oppression. He informed them that they should not
fear fighting in God's path, but it is the enemies who should fear
God's retribution for their oppression and injustice. Also, God
inspired the ANGELS to support the believers and strike the
disbelievers.This was NOT a command for the Muslims.
Allah helped Muslim at Battle of Badr by sending angels.The
Quran confirms this in
"(Remember)when you sought help of your Lord and He
answered you (saying): "I will help you with a thousand
of the angels,each behind the other (following one another) in
succession." [Anfal 8:9]
Ar-Rabi bin Anas said: “On the day of Badr people could see
those who had been slain by the angels among the dead
by the blows above the necks and on their fingertips which
looked as if fire had burnt them.” [Bayhaqi]....peace

mr lanre,here we are again...u called someone copy and paste...and you have just copied and pasted what you have been pasted in all post...good for you.

Like i said before,all these your writings should be sent to BOKO-HARAM, ALQUEDA and all other arab nations etc, not here in NL,they are the ones that need them...they are the ones that is practising AND FOLLOWING ISLAM.
Except they stop,then you have not been able to prove anything...if boko haram are not muslims,what about alqueda or those arab nations...pls let us stop decieving ourselves!

Can you seperate islam from mohammed? A true muslim follow the teachings and words of mohammed and allah!

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Re: The Difference Between "Islam" And A "Muslim" by Mintayo(m): 8:01am On May 11, 2013
RealSleek:


Obviously u missed ur history class.....the crusaders fought to regain jerusalem for christendom and yes, the fought with muslim invaders

don't mind him,instead of him to talk about the topic;he is derailing again...i am not surprised!

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Re: The Difference Between "Islam" And A "Muslim" by AbdH: 8:04am On May 11, 2013
RealSleek:


Obviously u missed ur history class.....the crusaders fought to regain jerusalem for christendom and yes, the fought with muslim invaders
So Christians killed to regain a city? Why didn't they turn the other cheek? No doubt that the bible inspired them to kill. Let me pay you back in your own coins: the crusaders have always been the real Christians for they follow(ed) the bible with zest. The rest of you are just pretenders who profess fake love just so you can lure the weak to polytheism.

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Re: The Difference Between "Islam" And A "Muslim" by Mintayo(m): 8:05am On May 11, 2013
lanrexlan: Wecome mr 'copy and paste',know nothing about islam quoting verses out of context.This is your answer.This verse has been misquoted in a manner similar to other verses
to prove terrorism in Islam and to make people hate it.It is also
historically out of context.
The full context is:
"But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the
Pagans wherever ye find them and seize them,beleaguer them,
and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war);but if they
repent and establish regular prayers and practise regular charity,
then open the way for them:for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most
Merciful.If one amongst the Pagans ask thee for asylum,
grant it to him,so that he may hear the word of Allah and
then escort him to where he can be secure.That is
because they are men without knowledge. How can there be for
the polytheists a treaty in the sight of Allah and with His
Messenger except for those with whom you made a treaty at al-
Masjid al-Haram?So as long as they are upright toward you,
be upright toward them.Indeed,Allah loves the righteous
[who fear Him]. " [Quran 9:5-7]
The verse once again refers to those pagans who would continue
to fight after the period of peace.It clearly commands the
Muslims to protect those who seek peace and are non-
combatants.It is a specific verse with a specific ruling and can in
no way be applied to general situations. The command of the
verse was only to be applied in the event of a battle.As Abdullah
Yusuf Ali writes:
The emphasis is on the first clause: it is only when the four
months of grace are past, andthe other party show no
sign of desisting from their treacherous design by
right conduct, that the state of war supervenes-
between Faith and Unfaith. (Yusuf Ali, The Holy Qur’an,
Text, Translation and Commentary, emphasis added)
Dr. Maher Hathout gives an explanation on the historical context
of the verse:
This verse was revealed towards the end of the revelation
period and relates to a limited context.Hostilities were
frozen for a three-month period during which the Arabs
pledged not to wage war. Prophet Muhammad was
inspired to use this period to encourage the combatants to
join the Muslim ranks or, if they chose, to leave the area
that was under Muslims rule; however,if they were to
resume hostilities, then the Muslims would fight
back until victorious.One is inspired to note that even in
this context of war,the verse concludes by emphasizing
the divine attributes of mercy and forgiveness.To
minimize hostilities,the Qur'an ordered Muslims to grant
asylum to anyone,even an enemy, who sought refuge.
Asylum would be granted according to the customs of
chivalry; the person would be told the message of the
Qur'an but not coerced into accepting that message.
Thereafter, he or she would be escorted to safety
regardless of his or her religion. (9:6). (Hathout, Jihad vs.
Terrorism; US Multimedia Vera International, 2002,
pp.52-53, emphasis added)
Ibn al-`Arabi, in his commentary on the Qur’an, writes:
“It is clear from this that the meaning of this verse is to kill
the paganswho are waging war against
you.” (Ahkam al-Qur’an: 2/456, emphasis added)
The verse 13 of the same chapter makes it clear that it is a self
defensive verse revealed by Allah
“Will you not fight people who broke their covenants and plotted
to expel the Messenger and attacked you first?” [Sûrah al-Tawbah:
13]


like i said,send these to the proper channels-boko and co!
Re: The Difference Between "Islam" And A "Muslim" by Mintayo(m): 8:10am On May 11, 2013
AbdH:
So Christians killed to regain a city? Why didn't they turn the other cheek? No doubt that the bible inspired them to kill. Let me pay you back in your own coins: the crusaders have always been the real Christians for they follow(ed) the bible with zest. The rest of you are just pretenders who profess fake love just so you can lure the weak to polytheism.

lets agree that they are christains,please what year was that? What year do we have boko-haram? Do we still have the crusaders? Do we still have boko-haram? Do we still have alqueda? You better get your facts right-the guy u quote has given u a good answer and let me add-the crusade then was a selfish act by 'catholics' ,and some pagan europian countries including some muslims to take back Jerusalem...so get your fact right!
Can you seperate islam from mohammed?

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Re: The Difference Between "Islam" And A "Muslim" by novicali: 8:18am On May 11, 2013
This is hilarious, you cannot separate a building from its foundation. A Muslim is a Muslim because he believed in the teachings of Islam, and what does Islam teach? Read Koran you will find out. Those who follow the teaching of Islam are called Muslim, the imbibe in its doctrines and live it out. So somebody cannot come up to bam buzz us that Islam is different from Muslim. A Muslim is a Muslim because of Islam and Islam is what it is today because of Muslims.

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Re: The Difference Between "Islam" And A "Muslim" by AbdH: 8:28am On May 11, 2013
Mintayo:

lets agree that they are christains,please what year was that? What year do we have boko-haram? Do we still have the crusaders? Do we still have boko-haram? Do we still have alqueda? You better get your facts right-the guy u quote has given u a good answer and let me add-the crusade then was a selfish act by 'catholics' ,and some pagan europian countries including some muslims to take back Jerusalem...so get your fact right!
Can you seperate islam from mohammed?
So what year did Breivik kill tens of innocent people? In case you don't know, there are still crusaders.
Re: The Difference Between "Islam" And A "Muslim" by novicali: 8:33am On May 11, 2013
The crusaders are not Christians, these are Europe empires on adventure of conquering grounds for themselves. Christianity was not spread by means of war.. read your history very well. Unlike Islam that was spread by war and conquering people…. And that is the reason for the name Islam which means surrender or submit. Surrender to the who to the power of one the one who was coercing them to believe.

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Re: The Difference Between "Islam" And A "Muslim" by novicali: 8:37am On May 11, 2013
Islam does not mean peace as most Muslims claim, Islam means surrender. Peace in Arabic language is Salam. Salam malaku… peace be unto this house.

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Re: The Difference Between "Islam" And A "Muslim" by AbdH: 8:42am On May 11, 2013
novicali: The crusaders are not Christians, these are Europe empires on adventure of conquering grounds for themselves. Christianity was not spread by means of war.. read your history very well. Unlike Islam that was spread by war and conquering people…. And that is the reason for the name Islam which means surrender or submit. Surrender to the who to the power of one the one who was coercing them to believe.
Okay, they were just wearing the cross on their necks and dresses to represent an European empire. They fought with their hearts for the Church and are your heroes.
Re: The Difference Between "Islam" And A "Muslim" by novicali: 8:47am On May 11, 2013
I don’t think that the Muslims are the problem, rather, the source of their orientation, because you can only live by what you are taught or know. So the Muslims are Muslims because of the orientation of Islam…. So the doctrine is the problem, and it is apt to say that if you want to blow off the fire you have to get to the base which is the source, if not the fire will continue to spread.
Re: The Difference Between "Islam" And A "Muslim" by idris4r83(m): 8:49am On May 11, 2013
tspun: we known there is difference btw both. D problem i am having is tring to understand y any religion (islam) will promise is people (muslim) a reward for killing innocent people.pls Explain if u can.
Islam is a religion of peace and It condemns all
forms of terrorism as Almighty Allah says in surah 5vs32 "if anyone kills a human being unless for murder or spreading corruption in the land it will be as if he has killed the whole of mankind". A muslim is someone who practices the teaching of the koran. Killing innocent human beings is never part of islamic teaching. I don't know any other religion that explicitly condemn terrorism as islam. Oscar pistorius is a christian, does that mean christianity condones his killing of his innocent girlfriend? Am waiting 4 answers.

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Re: The Difference Between "Islam" And A "Muslim" by novicali: 8:50am On May 11, 2013
That they were wearing cross does not in any way make them Christians, the Christians that spread the gospel never killed anybody to do that
Re: The Difference Between "Islam" And A "Muslim" by Infoman51: 8:54am On May 11, 2013
Mintayo:

lets agree that they are christains,please what year was that? What year do we have boko-haram? Do we still have the crusaders? Do we still have boko-haram? Do we still have alqueda? You better get your facts right-the guy u quote has given u a good answer and let me add-the crusade then was a selfish act by 'catholics' ,and some pagan europian countries including some muslims to take back Jerusalem...so get your fact right!
Can you seperate islam from mohammed?
what about lord resistance army of uganda and IRA of ireland these are current crusaders if you dont know, there are many of them around the world. They have better understanding of bible than you do
Re: The Difference Between "Islam" And A "Muslim" by Vincyril(m): 8:56am On May 11, 2013
lanrexlan: To your second verse you quoted out of context.The verse is taken out of context both historical context and the
context of the verse itself in the Qur'an. Let us first examine the
full verse:
"[Remember] when your Lord inspired to the angels, "I am with
you,so strengthen those who have believed.I will cast terror
into the hearts of those who disbelieved,so strike [them] upon
the necks and strike from them every fingertip.That is because
they opposed Allah and His Messenger. And whoever
opposes Allah and His Messenger - indeed,Allah is severe in
penalty." [Anfal 8:12-13]
That is the context of the verse in the Qur'an. The historical
context is that this verse was revealed at the Battle of Badr, a
battle in which the pagans of Makkah traveled over 200 miles to
destroy the Muslims of Madinah.The Pagans of Makkah had an
army of about 1000 while the Muslims were only 300 followers.
The Prophet Muhammad ((peace be upon him)) and his followers
had suffered severe persecutions and torture for 13 years in the
city of Makkah. Having fled from Makkah to the safety of Madinah,
they found that they were once again threatened by Makkans and
have to defend themselve.It is clear from the below verse that
the Makkans were fighting against Allah,His Messenger and Islam
"There has already been for you a Sign in the two armies that
met (in combat): One was fighting in the cause of Allah,the
other resisting Allah; these saw with their own eyes Twice
their number.But Allah doth support with His aid whom He
pleaseth. In this is a warning for such as have eyes to
see." [Qur'an: Al-i-Imran 3:13]
The Makkans were not satisfied with expelling the Muslims from
Makkah and subsequently desired that they be purged from the
surroundings of all major trade routes.So God supported the
Muslims and informed them that God would allow justice to
prevail over oppression. He informed them that they should not
fear fighting in God's path, but it is the enemies who should fear
God's retribution for their oppression and injustice. Also, God
inspired the ANGELS to support the believers and strike the
disbelievers.This was NOT a command for the Muslims.
Allah helped Muslim at Battle of Badr by sending angels.The
Quran confirms this in
"(Remember)when you sought help of your Lord and He
answered you (saying): "I will help you with a thousand
of the angels,each behind the other (following one another) in
succession." [Anfal 8:9]
Ar-Rabi bin Anas said: “On the day of Badr people could see
those who had been slain by the angels among the dead
by the blows above the necks and on their fingertips which
looked as if fire had burnt them.” [Bayhaqi]....peace

@lanrexlan, frm ur points above, r we (canals) suppozd 2 fight for God (our creator) or HIM fight for us?
Re: The Difference Between "Islam" And A "Muslim" by novicali: 8:57am On May 11, 2013
That people claim to be Christians does not make them to.... Christians follows the real teachings of Christianity, in the same way real Muslims follow the real teachings of Islam.... and if you want to find out what the teachings of Islam is read the Koran: from chapter 5 - 9 that is the basic and fundamental that stands as the pillars of Islam, and if dont practice those fatuas (decrees) you are not a true Muslim, which means you dont believe in Islam
Re: The Difference Between "Islam" And A "Muslim" by novicali: 9:01am On May 11, 2013
Any organization that fights war in the name of Christianity is fake, Christians dont fight war or kill. Because we do not fight for our God...... and moreover we did not create any soul, so how then do we destroy souls because we want to please the God that created them.... He that created them knows how to destroy them..... this is the truth.
Re: The Difference Between "Islam" And A "Muslim" by xclusive43(m): 9:03am On May 11, 2013
please i did not intend to create any problem just making things clear
1. Media maligns Islam
a. Islam is without doubt the best religion
but the media is in the hands of the
westerners who are afraid of Islam. The
media is continuously broadcasting and
printing information against Islam. They
either provide misinformation about
Islam, misquote Islam or project a point
out of proportion, if any.
b. When any bomb blast takes place
anywhere, the first people to be accused
without proof are invariably the Muslims.
This appears as headlines in the news.
Later, when they find that non-Muslims
were responsible, it appears as an
insignificant news’ item.
c. If a 50-year old Muslim marries a 15-year
old girl after taking her permission, it
appears on the front page but when a 50-
year old non-Muslim rapes a 6-year old
girl, it may appear in the news in the
inside pages as ‘Newsbriefs’. Everyday

America on an average 2,713 cases of
rape take place but it doesn’t appear in
the news, since it has become a way of
life for the Americans.
2. Blacksheep in every community
I am aware that there are some Muslims
who are dishonest, unreliable, who cheat,
etc. but the media projects this as though
only Muslims are involved in such
activities. There are blacksheep in every
community. I know Muslims who are
alcoholics and who can drink most of the
non-Muslims under the table.
3. Muslims best as a whole
Inspite of all the blacksheep in the
Muslim community, Muslims taken on the
whole, yet form the best community in
the world. We are the biggest community
of teetotallers as a whole, i.e. those who
don’t imbibe alcohol. Collectively, we are
a community which gives the maximum
charity in the world. There is not a single
person in the world who can even show a
candle to the Muslims where modesty is
concerned; where sobriety is concerned;
where human values and ethics are
concerned.
4. Don’t judge a car by its driver
If you want to judge how good is the
latest model of the “Mercedes” car and a
person who does not know how to drive
sits at the steering wheel and bangs up
the car, who will you blame? The car or
the driver? But naturally, the driver. To
analyze how good the car is, a person
should not look at the driver but see the
ability and features of the car. How fast is
it, what is its average fuel consumption,
what are the safety measures, etc. Even if
I agree for the sake of argument that the
Muslims are bad, we can’t judge Islam by
its followers! If you want to judge how
good Islam is then judge it according to its
authentic sources, i.e. the Glorious
Qur’an and the Sahih Hadith.
5. Judge Islam by its best follower i.e.
Prophet Muhammad (pbuh)
If you practically want to check how good
a car is, put an expert driver behind the
steering wheel. Similarly the best and the
most exemplary follower of Islam by
whom you can check how good Islam is, is
the last and final messenger of God,
Prophet Muhammad (pbuh). Besides
Muslims, there are several honest and
unbiased non-Muslim historians who have
acclaimed that prophet Muhammad

(pbuh) was the best human being.
According to Michael H. Hart who wrote
the book, ‘The 100 Most Influential Men
in History’, the topmost position, i.e. the
number one position goes to the beloved
prophet of Islam, Muhammad (pbuh).
There are several such examples of non-
Muslims paying great tributes to the
prophet (pbuh), like Thomas Carlyle, La-
Martine, etc.
Re: The Difference Between "Islam" And A "Muslim" by xclusive43(m): 9:04am On May 11, 2013
please i did not intend to create any problem just making things clear
1. Media maligns Islam
a. Islam is without doubt the best religion
but the media is in the hands of the
westerners who are afraid of Islam. The
media is continuously broadcasting and
printing information against Islam. They
either provide misinformation about
Islam, misquote Islam or project a point
out of proportion, if any.
b. When any bomb blast takes place
anywhere, the first people to be accused
without proof are invariably the Muslims.
This appears as headlines in the news.
Later, when they find that non-Muslims
were responsible, it appears as an
insignificant news’ item.
c. If a 50-year old Muslim marries a 15-year
old girl after taking her permission, it
appears on the front page but when a 50-
year old non-Muslim rapes a 6-year old
girl, it may appear in the news in the
inside pages as ‘Newsbriefs’. Everyday

America on an average 2,713 cases of
rape take place but it doesn’t appear in
the news, since it has become a way of
life for the Americans.
2. Blacksheep in every community
I am aware that there are some Muslims
who are dishonest, unreliable, who cheat,
etc. but the media projects this as though
only Muslims are involved in such
activities. There are blacksheep in every
community. I know Muslims who are
alcoholics and who can drink most of the
non-Muslims under the table.
3. Muslims best as a whole
Inspite of all the blacksheep in the
Muslim community, Muslims taken on the
whole, yet form the best community in
the world. We are the biggest community
of teetotallers as a whole, i.e. those who
don’t imbibe alcohol. Collectively, we are
a community which gives the maximum
charity in the world. There is not a single
person in the world who can even show a
candle to the Muslims where modesty is
concerned; where sobriety is concerned;
where human values and ethics are
concerned.
4. Don’t judge a car by its driver
If you want to judge how good is the
latest model of the “Mercedes” car and a
person who does not know how to drive
sits at the steering wheel and bangs up
the car, who will you blame? The car or
the driver? But naturally, the driver. To
analyze how good the car is, a person
should not look at the driver but see the
ability and features of the car. How fast is
it, what is its average fuel consumption,
what are the safety measures, etc. Even if
I agree for the sake of argument that the
Muslims are bad, we can’t judge Islam by
its followers! If you want to judge how
good Islam is then judge it according to its
authentic sources, i.e. the Glorious
Qur’an and the Sahih Hadith.
5. Judge Islam by its best follower i.e.
Prophet Muhammad (pbuh)
If you practically want to check how good
a car is, put an expert driver behind the
steering wheel. Similarly the best and the
most exemplary follower of Islam by
whom you can check how good Islam is, is
the last and final messenger of God,
Prophet Muhammad (pbuh). Besides
Muslims, there are several honest and
unbiased non-Muslim historians who have
acclaimed that prophet Muhammad

(pbuh) was the best human being.
According to Michael H. Hart who wrote
the book, ‘The 100 Most Influential Men
in History’, the topmost position, i.e. the
number one position goes to the beloved
prophet of Islam, Muhammad (pbuh).
There are several such examples of non-
Muslims paying great tributes to the
prophet (pbuh), like Thomas Carlyle, La-
Martine, etc.
Re: The Difference Between "Islam" And A "Muslim" by novicali: 9:06am On May 11, 2013
Jesus never asked anybody to go kill because of Him.... there is a great difference between preaching to people and coercing people with sword to believe. Anybody killing because of Christ is doing that on his own.

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Re: The Difference Between "Islam" And A "Muslim" by novicali: 9:12am On May 11, 2013
You cannot say Islam is the best religion...... that is funny... Islam can be judged by its foundation, I mean the founders the live they lived, I mean, the Mohammadas, The Omars, the Abubakars, the Sadiqs and how the Shia founders regards them I mean The Hassan and Hussein. what did they say about them and the book of Islam, the doctrines in it .... how is it affecting the lives of people in the world..... only by that you can say Islam is the best religion....
Re: The Difference Between "Islam" And A "Muslim" by Vincyril(m): 9:21am On May 11, 2013
xclusive43: please i did not intend to create any problem just making things clear
1. Media maligns Islam
a. Islam is without doubt the best religion
but the media is in the hands of the
westerners who are afraid of Islam. The
media is continuously broadcasting and
printing information against Islam. They
either provide misinformation about
Islam, misquote Islam or project a point
out of proportion, if any.
b. When any bomb blast takes place
anywhere, the first people to be accused
without proof are invariably the Muslims.
This appears as headlines in the news.
Later, when they find that non-Muslims
were responsible, it appears as an
insignificant news’ item.
c. If a 50-year old Muslim marries a 15-year
old girl after taking her permission, it
appears on the front page but when a 50-
year old non-Muslim rapes a 6-year old
girl, it may appear in the news in the
inside pages as ‘Newsbriefs’. Everyday

America on an average 2,713 cases of
rape take place but it doesn’t appear in
the news, since it has become a way of
life for the Americans.
2. Blacksheep in every community
I am aware that there are some Muslims
who are dishonest, unreliable, who cheat,
etc. but the media projects this as though
only Muslims are involved in such
activities. There are blacksheep in every
community. I know Muslims who are
alcoholics and who can drink most of the
non-Muslims under the table.
3. Muslims best as a whole
Inspite of all the blacksheep in the
Muslim community, Muslims taken on the
whole, yet form the best community in
the world. We are the biggest community
of teetotallers as a whole, i.e. those who
don’t imbibe alcohol. Collectively, we are
a community which gives the maximum
charity in the world. There is not a single
person in the world who can even show a
candle to the Muslims where modesty is
concerned; where sobriety is concerned;
where human values and ethics are
concerned.
4. Don’t judge a car by its driver
If you want to judge how good is the
latest model of the “Mercedes” car and a
person who does not know how to drive
sits at the steering wheel and bangs up
the car, who will you blame? The car or
the driver? But naturally, the driver. To
analyze how good the car is, a person
should not look at the driver but see the
ability and features of the car. How fast is
it, what is its average fuel consumption,
what are the safety measures, etc. Even if
I agree for the sake of argument that the
Muslims are bad, we can’t judge Islam by
its followers! If you want to judge how
good Islam is then judge it according to its
authentic sources, i.e. the Glorious
Qur’an and the Sahih Hadith.
5. Judge Islam by its best follower i.e.
Prophet Muhammad (pbuh)
If you practically want to check how good
a car is, put an expert driver behind the
steering wheel. Similarly the best and the
most exemplary follower of Islam by
whom you can check how good Islam is, is
the last and final messenger of God,
Prophet Muhammad (pbuh). Besides
Muslims, there are several honest and
unbiased non-Muslim historians who have
acclaimed that prophet Muhammad

(pbuh) was the best human being.
According to Michael H. Hart who wrote
the book, ‘The 100 Most Influential Men
in History’, the topmost position, i.e. the
number one position goes to the beloved
prophet of Islam, Muhammad (pbuh).
There are several such examples of non-
Muslims paying great tributes to the
prophet (pbuh), like Thomas Carlyle, La-
Martine, etc.
1. Re bokoharam, alqueada, talibans etc not muslims?
2. Dt sm1 is influencial doz nt necessarily mean dt, dt person is doin d ryt tin.
Pls lets stop deceiving ourselves here
Re: The Difference Between "Islam" And A "Muslim" by novicali: 9:21am On May 11, 2013
You wouldn't like to know the history of what happened at the Shia shrine ..... before saying Islam is the best religion... why do the Shia celebrate Asuna?.... Why do sunny call shia unbelievers?......why is it so that the shia do not really believe in Mohammad? what was that they discovered about him?..... if say Islam is the best religion then you have paucity of knowledge of what Islam is all about.
Re: The Difference Between "Islam" And A "Muslim" by Vincyril(m): 9:23am On May 11, 2013
xclusive43: please i did not intend to create any problem just making things clear
1. Media maligns Islam
a. Islam is without doubt the best religion
but the media is in the hands of the
westerners who are afraid of Islam. The
media is continuously broadcasting and
printing information against Islam. They
either provide misinformation about
Islam, misquote Islam or project a point
out of proportion, if any.
b. When any bomb blast takes place
anywhere, the first people to be accused
without proof are invariably the Muslims.
This appears as headlines in the news.
Later, when they find that non-Muslims
were responsible, it appears as an
insignificant news’ item.
c. If a 50-year old Muslim marries a 15-year
old girl after taking her permission, it
appears on the front page but when a 50-
year old non-Muslim rapes a 6-year old
girl, it may appear in the news in the
inside pages as ‘Newsbriefs’. Everyday

America on an average 2,713 cases of
rape take place but it doesn’t appear in
the news, since it has become a way of
life for the Americans.
2. Blacksheep in every community
I am aware that there are some Muslims
who are dishonest, unreliable, who cheat,
etc. but the media projects this as though
only Muslims are involved in such
activities. There are blacksheep in every
community. I know Muslims who are
alcoholics and who can drink most of the
non-Muslims under the table.
3. Muslims best as a whole
Inspite of all the blacksheep in the
Muslim community, Muslims taken on the
whole, yet form the best community in
the world. We are the biggest community
of teetotallers as a whole, i.e. those who
don’t imbibe alcohol. Collectively, we are
a community which gives the maximum
charity in the world. There is not a single
person in the world who can even show a
candle to the Muslims where modesty is
concerned; where sobriety is concerned;
where human values and ethics are
concerned.
4. Don’t judge a car by its driver
If you want to judge how good is the
latest model of the “Mercedes” car and a
person who does not know how to drive
sits at the steering wheel and bangs up
the car, who will you blame? The car or
the driver? But naturally, the driver. To
analyze how good the car is, a person
should not look at the driver but see the
ability and features of the car. How fast is
it, what is its average fuel consumption,
what are the safety measures, etc. Even if
I agree for the sake of argument that the
Muslims are bad, we can’t judge Islam by
its followers! If you want to judge how
good Islam is then judge it according to its
authentic sources, i.e. the Glorious
Qur’an and the Sahih Hadith.
5. Judge Islam by its best follower i.e.
Prophet Muhammad (pbuh)
If you practically want to check how good
a car is, put an expert driver behind the
steering wheel. Similarly the best and the
most exemplary follower of Islam by
whom you can check how good Islam is, is
the last and final messenger of God,
Prophet Muhammad (pbuh). Besides
Muslims, there are several honest and
unbiased non-Muslim historians who have
acclaimed that prophet Muhammad

(pbuh) was the best human being.
According to Michael H. Hart who wrote
the book, ‘The 100 Most Influential Men
in History’, the topmost position, i.e. the
number one position goes to the beloved
prophet of Islam, Muhammad (pbuh).
There are several such examples of non-
Muslims paying great tributes to the
prophet (pbuh), like Thomas Carlyle, La-
Martine, etc.
1. Re bokoharam, alqueada, talibans etc not muslims?
2. Dt sm1 is influencial doz nt necessarily mean dt, dt person is doin d ryt tin.
Pls lets stop deceiving ourselves here
Re: The Difference Between "Islam" And A "Muslim" by AbdH: 9:24am On May 11, 2013
novicali: Any organization that fights war in the name of Christianity is fake, Christians dont fight war or kill. Because we do not fight for our God...... and moreover we did not create any soul, so how then do we destroy souls because we want to please the God that created them.... He that created them knows how to destroy them..... this is the truth.
The same thing Muslims have been telling you about BH but you wouldn't listen meanwhile you are quick to use the same reason to condemn the crusaders.

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