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Re: Submission Of Yoruba/itsekiri Groups To The Committee On National Conference by jking001(m): 11:59am On Oct 22, 2013 |
ALTRUTH: Bros take am easy e neva start u don dey rake nobody has the monopoly of violence,isreal small for middle east but other countries dey fear dem'no body i repeat nobody has the monopoly of violence. |
Re: Submission Of Yoruba/itsekiri Groups To The Committee On National Conference by DuduNegro: 12:02pm On Oct 22, 2013 |
jking001: The itsekiri population is enough to form a small country no one is annexing us we should remain in the south south have friends and forge our own destiny and stop whinning like a baby that needs to be pampered life is not a bed of roses. This is exactly what each ethnic should be saying. Taking the bull by the horns and charting its own destiny. |
Re: Submission Of Yoruba/itsekiri Groups To The Committee On National Conference by Nobody: 12:17pm On Oct 22, 2013 |
chima12: Under which oodua cover?which itsekiri are under oodua cover?the itsekiri in delta state?or perhaps some itsekiris in the moon?the itsekiri,along with the uhrobo,bini,isoko and other tribes in present day delta and edo states voted many years ago against yoruba domination and opted out of the old western region.the itsekiris,uhrobo,ijaw,bini,efik,ibibio and other tribes in the southsouth remain equal partners in present day southsouth.Thank u my sister. They dare nt talk abt Edo in there letter? They knw how we trash them those olden days and we will do at any given time. |
Re: Submission Of Yoruba/itsekiri Groups To The Committee On National Conference by jking001(m): 12:18pm On Oct 22, 2013 |
Dudu_Negro: I was watching ibero american summit conferences and discovered the former spanish colony were giving spain condition to work with spain,now that's what i call civilized mutual respect,same goes for china and asean countries we can work together on mutual respect,that's why i like the americans they help you gain independence and thereby gain your trust that's what the yorubas should do for any tribe they claim to have links with in nigeria,wen ijaw and itsekiri dey fight we no hear all this kind talk ooo why now ? |
Re: Submission Of Yoruba/itsekiri Groups To The Committee On National Conference by Nobody: 12:24pm On Oct 22, 2013 |
chima12: Under which oodua cover?which itsekiri are under oodua cover?the itsekiri in delta state?or perhaps some itsekiris in the moon?the itsekiri,along with the uhrobo,bini,isoko and other tribes in present day delta and edo states voted many years ago against yoruba domination and opted out of the old western region.the itsekiris,uhrobo,ijaw,bini,efik,ibibio and other tribes in the southsouth remain equal partners in present day southsouth.Thank u my sister. They dare nt talk much abt Edo in there letter. They knw how we trash them those olden days and we will do at any given time. If nt 4 democracy and how D military divide and created state, D deltas are/were Edos. All we need is true love and sincerity and no place cant stick together and be successful as D West even Dis bigger Nigeria. |
Re: Submission Of Yoruba/itsekiri Groups To The Committee On National Conference by DuduNegro: 12:42pm On Oct 22, 2013 |
jking001: Yoruba is not even claiming anyone. There is a commonwealth......all who want are welcome to join it. Ibos are stressed because the sections they claim as Ibolands and their people have refused to be labeled Ibo. Yoruba does not have that problem, although Ibo wish we did. Itsekiri has been part of MidWest, then SS, yet they identify as a Yoruba group on their cultural websites, in wiki, on fb....they can stand on their own and still be respected but they have expressed interest in the commonwealth and in fact are expecting to join the DAWN initiative. There is no hope in the Eastern corridor. No market diversity - everything in that direction is locked down under Ibo monopoly. The market is terminal. The Western market on the other hand is an endless penetration of multi culturalism and open entry.....from Yorubaland all along the coast to Bambaraland 5 Likes |
Re: Submission Of Yoruba/itsekiri Groups To The Committee On National Conference by funnyx(m): 1:00pm On Oct 22, 2013 |
Left to me I only want a Yoruba nation that comprises of the the present south west region including Lagos simples. Any other minorities who want to join us should apply. |
Re: Submission Of Yoruba/itsekiri Groups To The Committee On National Conference by veraponpo(m): 4:08pm On Oct 22, 2013 |
sandijey: All these igbo morons should not open their mouth. No be una one die wiv souht south because of oyel money! The statement was a collective statement. Do you think the yorubas would just come out and force itshekiri on themselves. They must have sat down and deliberated. So what's your stress. Mind u I am a full blooded itshekiri girl. So don't say what you don't no. Do u think itshekiris are like delta igbos or porthacourt igbos who will never want to merge wiv the so called original igbos. Forget town meeting, when d chips are down, u will no the truth. I don't see south-south igbos nor any tribe teaming up wiv the east! The fear of dormination by hook or by crook is real. Igbo is a major tribe in nigeria, your population is more than the south-south people as a whole. What do u thinking merging will cause for the smaller tribes like ijaw, uhrobo, okpe, kalabari etc they will be swallowed up by your tribe and will never have mouth again. They have nothing to gain if they merge wiv u. They are seeing what u guys are doing in lagos, all your boasting and effonterys, u think they are stupid! Do u think they would want to be swallowed up by a major Tribe, you people that still practise osu and ohu caste system, won't the igbos in the south-south almost be treated as such? Even on ndigbo page you people dscriminate against ebonyi people, no be wawa peeople una dey call them, so what would u call people of the south south, As at now u call them dilluted igbos. Who likes to be discriminated against? you think abandoned property was a joke. The hatred is still there! If the yorubas treated itshekiris as second class people, the reverse of what is happening btw them would have been the case! So my dears before u start ranting about itshekiri and yorubas, start thinking of how u can savage porthacourt and the igbo speaking parts of delta from south-south. Besides My best friends amaka and ifeyinwa from delta igbo, call them igbo and see their wrath. I don't understand how u would be bearing an igbo name and say you're not igbo. You spoke not only out of a depth of knowledge but also a wealth of experience. Yoruba race know ourselves. We rejoice when we see our people be it from Kogi or Akoko Edo, Itsekiri or Kwara, Ijebu or Ijesha, Oyo or Ondo. We are not like them. United we stand ;devided we fall. |
Re: Submission Of Yoruba/itsekiri Groups To The Committee On National Conference by veraponpo(m): 4:10pm On Oct 22, 2013 |
Dudu_Negro: True talk. Igbo people will still break calling Ebonyi inferior Igbo, Anambra -Anam branch, etc. I laugh in hausa. |
Re: Submission Of Yoruba/itsekiri Groups To The Committee On National Conference by DerideGull(m): 4:22pm On Oct 22, 2013 |
Dudu_Negro: You are a laughable troll. I remembered the perilous days of Nana of Itsekiri when the dude had all kinds of troubles with British government, the so-called loudmouthed Obas of village empires in the protectorate could not send one soul to help Nana. Which Yoruba are you talking about? The same Yoruba that lost considerable amount of estate to Fulani and were hiding under Olomo rock before help was sent from Igbo land. |
Re: Submission Of Yoruba/itsekiri Groups To The Committee On National Conference by funnyx(m): 4:53pm On Oct 22, 2013 |
DerideGull: So it was igbos that were yet to be discovered or registered on the map that helped the Yorubas to defeat the fulanis I'm beginning to like your sense of humour. |
Re: Submission Of Yoruba/itsekiri Groups To The Committee On National Conference by ikweremilitant: 4:54pm On Oct 22, 2013 |
chima12: Yorubas trying to attach themselves to itsekiri by force.keep fooling yourselves,itsekiri will always go with the southsouth.is it warri you yorubas want to annex?the ijaw parts of ondo will also reunite with their kit and kin in delta state.dont mind d day light robers |
Re: Submission Of Yoruba/itsekiri Groups To The Committee On National Conference by jking001(m): 5:00pm On Oct 22, 2013 |
Dudu_Negro: Nobody can love the itsekiris more than the itsekiris themselves we can be on our own and still have affliation with the yoruba state,they should rather help us fight for our independence that's what american would do that's a better way to play the politics we should have terms we agree on and we fight together for an independent itsekiri land,there are smaller countries with fewer population than the itsekiri people who have their capital in KOKO warri north. |
Re: Submission Of Yoruba/itsekiri Groups To The Committee On National Conference by CyberG: 5:08pm On Oct 22, 2013 |
ikwere militant: dont mind d day light robers Why are ibos so myopic and emotional about everything, in the face of facts? Was that not a joint statement SIGNED by 2 ITSHEKIRI groups, in addition to others? At least if you are uneducated, you should still be able to see their names in the document. I think Ibos are afraid and know that a stronger Yoruba people (who have bested them till date) will only make them perennially irrelevant in the larger Nigeria society when the regions emerge. Hence, they think by creating imaginary diversions and problems, the problems will somehow make it difficult for the LARGER Yoruba people to come together. In whose interest is it? Well, I trust Yorubas who can smell guile from a mile; the Itshekiri know without a doubt that your statements are not borne out of any concern for them but an opportunity to weaken them, dilute their strength and place them in a vulnerable position by having them not join their original roots in a larger Yoruba region. The Yorubas accept all Nigerians into their states, including the obnoxious ibos and still show great restraint and patience with the strange ibo tribes, is it their fellow Yorubas they will have a problem with? Ibos are really funny and it would be better for you to start rallying your 5 states because your real worry should be the ones you've always looked down on like the one you call Osu, Ngwa (saying they are cannibals), wawa or the ikas, etc. In any case, the Yoruba States are already strong, in large numbers and are more than enough to lead all regions in Nigeria. 4 Likes |
Re: Submission Of Yoruba/itsekiri Groups To The Committee On National Conference by ikweremilitant: 5:11pm On Oct 22, 2013 |
chima12: Yorubas trying to attach themselves to itsekiri by force.keep fooling yourselves,itsekiri will always go with the southsouth.is it warri you yorubas want to annex?the ijaw parts of ondo will also reunite with their kit and kin in delta state.dont mind d day light robers veraponpo: chima12: Yorubas trying to attach themselves to itsekiri by force.keep fooling yourselves,itsekiri will always go with the southsouth.is it warri you yorubas want to annex?the ijaw parts of ondo will also reunite with their kit and kin in delta state.dont mind d day light robers atimes i laugh at you yoruba clowns.as an ikwere man i knw dat d ibos dnt ned we nija deltans.3 ibo states re producing oil nd posibility of discovrng more yorubas only one state.d ibos hav abundant gas reserves untapd d ibos hav mineral resources,d largest individual coco farmer in nija is in abia state.d largest oil plantation in west africa is in imo state.d ibos re creative wit dia local technology nd very educatd too.south east is never landlockd as d river nija pasing thru onitsha empties in d atlantic,d oguta lake is anothr prospective port they hav 2 conectng rivers in abia nd d imo river 2 flowng down to d atlantic.wit a large rice plantaton in ebonyi large enuf 2 feed d entire south west nd good salt reserve.just mentiong few.so yorubas d ibos dnt ned anybody to survive,u pepl should leave itsekiri alone parasites 1 Like |
Re: Submission Of Yoruba/itsekiri Groups To The Committee On National Conference by CyberG: 5:22pm On Oct 22, 2013 |
jking001: If you read this, note that the conference will NOT be creating any independent countries - go and read what GEJ has said again! I am at work now and have no time to be digging through threads / news. He said the conference is to make the country stronger, more united, etc so any talks of fighting for independence does not arise except of course you know something about the conference that GEJ is not saying. In the immediate and long terms analysis, REGIONALISM is what is more likely and better than our current system and the closest to "independence". If you read well, you will notice that the baseline is division along the CURRENT geopolitical ZONES in Nigeria. So, you will have a choice to be in only 6 possible ZONES, not a 1,000 zones! Within that 6, you can decide where you think your interests lie, where you have language and cultural ties, where the economic prospects and future good will of yourself and people are best protected and represented. When you get to this point, you know you are on the path for a reasoned, intellectual approach to the matter. Now, be sure that the Yorubas (Omo Oduduwa) know themselves just like you know the children of your parents (your brothers and sisters) and we ideally know that our interest is protected together, we all ultimately want the same things as human beings first - food, shelter and clothing! Then, you can add the rest, economic prosperity, peace, freedom, opportunities for yourseld and children, an organized society, etc. By far and ahead of all the other parts of Nigeria, the Western Region will BE AHEAD of ALL OTHER REGIONS on DAY ONE and it will only get better in as much as we continue to insist on the best leaders who will then be much closer to us and we can see what they are doing. Of course, if a community that falls within the borders of the Yorubas and another region has loyalty elsewhere, I strongly support that they go to where their loyalty lies. The Yorubas are already the SECOND LARGEST people in Nigeria with 6 SOLID states, parts of Kogi and Kwara states and whoever want to go elsewhere can surely do that so I see no need to threaten anyone because chances are that in the future, the Commonwealth of the Yorubas will also have to agree to allow any other parts of the bordering communities that go elsewhere today to join them tomorrow when they are better off - just like the EU. |
Re: Submission Of Yoruba/itsekiri Groups To The Committee On National Conference by jking001(m): 5:58pm On Oct 22, 2013 |
CyberG: Like i said in my first post if there's a south south we would rather remain in it we already have a voice there after the uhrobos we are the 2nd largest ethnic group all we have to do is fight for ourselves and land we can actually develop the itsekiri land and make it viable if you have the opportunity to be independent would you refuse it?my guess is no,so why go with yoruba when we can be on our own. |
Re: Submission Of Yoruba/itsekiri Groups To The Committee On National Conference by CyberG: 6:40pm On Oct 22, 2013 |
jking001: It seems you are incapable of being educated. Where IN ALL THESE IS INDEPENDENCE? Are you reading something else that GEJ has not spoken about? Snap out of your delusion, there is no talk of any sovereign countries so far in all GEJ has said, go and read again! |
Re: Submission Of Yoruba/itsekiri Groups To The Committee On National Conference by Nobody: 8:26pm On Oct 22, 2013 |
CyberG: |
Re: Submission Of Yoruba/itsekiri Groups To The Committee On National Conference by 6cence: 8:48pm On Oct 22, 2013 |
Hmmm, A nice wrriteup |
Re: Submission Of Yoruba/itsekiri Groups To The Committee On National Conference by Nobody: 9:00pm On Oct 22, 2013 |
sandijey:u talk a lot, kindly shut up wen men are talking.... From de way u talk, u must be a tom girl nd a disgrace to entire womanhood nd nigeria |
Re: Submission Of Yoruba/itsekiri Groups To The Committee On National Conference by jking001(m): 9:14pm On Oct 22, 2013 |
CyberG: Chairman mr know it all,i think on the contrary its you who's incapable of been enlightened,i said if you read my first post,and its still there and its visibly for anyone to see,and it says “IF“ there's a south south region we would rather go with them,i used the word " IF" just like we had midwest and bendel state we can have our own arrangement,i only talked about small countries to let people know that been a minority is not an excuse for weakness,we would rather welcome friends that would join our course if the ijaws can do it whats our excuse of remaining a weakly ,you know there is an ijaw state in nigeria,i think we should be fighting for an itsekiri state ,and for your information there's the possibility of a south south regional block ,that's my take. 2 Likes |
Re: Submission Of Yoruba/itsekiri Groups To The Committee On National Conference by Nobody: 10:21pm On Oct 22, 2013 |
Why do Itsekirirs have Yoruba names again? were they conquered by the Yorubas? I just wonder why the Itsekiris have Yoruba names.. |
Re: Submission Of Yoruba/itsekiri Groups To The Committee On National Conference by jking001(m): 11:09pm On Oct 22, 2013 |
0lumide: Why do Itsekirirs have Yoruba names again? Yes we bear yoruba names,so it means nothing we know where we belong in the scheme of things and its few yoruba names not all very few yoruba names,we more of oritse than oluwa in our names.example ortisetimeyin... |
Re: Submission Of Yoruba/itsekiri Groups To The Committee On National Conference by Nobody: 11:11pm On Oct 22, 2013 |
donmix: u talk a lot, kindly shut up wen men are talking.... From de way u talk, u must be a tom girl nd a disgrace to entire womanhood nd nigeriaSee me see trouble. Young man if your parents brought u up in a way that women are not supposed to be heard or give their own views about things, then ur parents didn't do a good job or you are just irresponsible. You are the disgrace to your family for trying to take a jab at me. Please grow up. 1 Like |
Re: Submission Of Yoruba/itsekiri Groups To The Committee On National Conference by Nobody: 11:13pm On Oct 22, 2013 |
jking001:Some of us bear oluwa like me! Oluwaseyi or oluwasheyi! |
Re: Submission Of Yoruba/itsekiri Groups To The Committee On National Conference by Nobody: 11:18pm On Oct 22, 2013 |
Come to think of it. Why are the igbos ranting about yoruba and itshekiri? Its funny how u accuse people of what u are known to do. No be una dey always do ss and se. Most of the topics I follow I see how igbos are quick to attach to ss people. So what exactly is your stress wiv this one? |
Re: Submission Of Yoruba/itsekiri Groups To The Committee On National Conference by jking001(m): 11:26pm On Oct 22, 2013 |
We have itsekiri in about 4 state we big enough to have a state. |
Re: Submission Of Yoruba/itsekiri Groups To The Committee On National Conference by jking001(m): 11:40pm On Oct 22, 2013 |
sandijey: Omemi you are not yoruba and you can never be one ,fine you bear oluwaseyi its just few of us we should look inward and stop looking up to other people to help us as it would only limit us if we do that,our destiny should not be determined by anyone we are different we are Iwere. |
Re: Submission Of Yoruba/itsekiri Groups To The Committee On National Conference by ijawcitizen(m): 7:07am On Oct 23, 2013 |
Why is it that it is only the Itsekiris in collaboration with their new Yoruba masters that are creating the impression that Niger Delta are at war with themselves? Within the Urhobos, Isokos, Ogoni, Ibibio-Efik-Calabar cluster and the Ijaw aborigines, is anyone at war? It is only the ungrateful Itsekiris whom the Ijaw and Urhobo have helped to survive all along that are tagging their benefactors and landlords as tenants- Edo people initiated the idea though. This whole land grabbing nonsense sound funny too because it like a thief accusing his victims as thieves. We Ijaw have the history and origins of all Niger Delta/SS people at our fingertips. Before now, you've pitched tents with your fellow Bini land-grabbers to tag Ijaws "nomadic fishermen, migrants,& squatters", it crumbled. Now it is with Yoruba, exellent choice! They have enough land mass to accomodate your less that 1 million population. The Yorubas have used their media power to create an impression that Ijaws are claiming peoples' lands but knowledgable people now know otherwise. Igbos are not helping matters too, as they are one of the people claiming ND will be on fire because of Ijaw imaginary "land-grabbing agenda". Yet they are fighting a lost battled to ressurrect the dead & buried Eastern Region by bargaining support for President Jonathan for the unification of SS & SE. Itsekiris have pitched their tent with Yorubas, Igbos please leave them alone. If any problems arise from their decision, its gonna be a ND problem so Igbos back off with your vile & venom. We in the Niger Delta are prepared for this moment because History is gonna vindicate the Ijaws as the aborigenes of the Niger Delta. You Igbos should forget about annexing ND with your SE under any scheme you can think of, and focus your energy on bringing Ikwerre, Ika and other of your so-called kiths & kins under Igbo rule in your new SE region which would emerge from the conference. Your quest to re-annex ND to form another Eastern Region is a failure already, force of arms failed earlier, your absurd bargaining will fail too. Niger Deltans, we are UNITED against the two evil horns (Easterners & Westerners) bent on causing discord amongst us and annexing our territory. Itsekiris will soon pack out to join their Yoruba masters. Long Live the Ijaw nation, Long Live the Urhobo-Isoko nation, Long Live the Ogoni nation, Long Live the "Calabar" nation, Long Live the New Niger Delta region!! 1 Like |
Re: Submission Of Yoruba/itsekiri Groups To The Committee On National Conference by Nobody: 7:28am On Oct 23, 2013 |
jking001: LMAO!!!! And can I say OritseTimeyin is same as the Yoruba's timileyin right? How come Itsekiris have a close Language to Yorubas? hmmm I just wonder oo. Did Yorubas conquer the Itsekiris and taught them a basterdized Yoruba? I'm kinda lost here though. The fact that you have Yoruba names don't matter? wow! The Yorubas in Benin Republic and Togo, their Yoruba doesn't sound familiar at all yet they have Yoruba names too but they don't deny they are Yorubas at all. I wonder why Itsekiri's Yoruba or should I say Itsekiri language is very similar to many Yoruba dialects. Maybe it's because the Yoruba soldiers that occupied Itsekiri land back then were from different Yoruba tribe abi? Whatever the case, Itsekiri should stop attaching themselves to Yorubas. We no want and we no need non community oriented group for we side.. |
Re: Submission Of Yoruba/itsekiri Groups To The Committee On National Conference by Nobody: 8:23am On Oct 23, 2013 |
ijaw citizen: Why is it that it is only the Itsekiris in collaboration with their new Yoruba masters that are creating the impression that Niger Delta are at war with themselves? Typical ijaw man for u! Vile and vengeful warriors. Tsheeeeeeeew! Just reading your message one would think we are in a battle. Must u people always behave like militants. Must everything always be aggressive? Kilode? Reading your post game me shivers............ Na wah o! |
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