OLAADEGBU:

Are you saying that you are an atheist? Google is your friend for the meaning of "New Ager."

Have you met these people in real life or did you make your conclusion from a few comments on a thread.

macof:

and the West u see today also had hut houses

Education isn't western. personally I have realized African education is more into nature and truth than western style education...many things u learn in school today are to drive a propaganda

Nope propaganda is driven by news networks and not scientific findings.I understand your trying to defend african like education but there is no denying it .Fact is development wise Africa is slow because african styled education is sorta primitive.Yes the west had hut houses but now they have skyscrappers. Africa had hut houses why cant we transition to the next phase ? and copy our western counter parts. Look at south korea after their civil war with the north they used the western format in rebuilding their societies and now they are one of the largest econmies in the world(with over a trillion dollars . What is more truthful the earth is spherical or oduduwa created the earth with a chicken(I have forgotten the yoruba myth but it goes something like that).Truths are facts and from what i know african like education is not factual, without facts there will be no development without development we will still be living in mud houses and pounding twin babies(akwa ibom). People should pls get with this script or are y'all still learners?

PastorAIO:

That 3rd voice of 'Oughtness' is more prone to saying, "Don't help him, his a muslim/pagan/jew and he ought to die". More times than not people have overridden their God given natural altruistic instincts and opted to obey the Nasty Evil voice of Oughtness.

What about the 3rd voice of Oughtness that says, "Listen to the first voice of Altruism because that was given to you to guide you in Love for your neighbours."

Sorry sir but altruism is not the voice of god it is an instinct we have discussed this before. Read up the science of ethology and the works of neuro biologists Jorge Moll and Jordan Grafman on altruism.

OLAADEGBU:

Sex with minors is acceptable in Islam because their prophet and the holy book allows for it but there is no provision for this in Christianity. What gives you the impression that your moral code is better than the Muslims'? Who is to say what the moral code should be? You keep on lumping science with ideologies, I doubt whether you understand what real science is all about and this shows another form of the atheist's inconsistencies.

My question is what is the atheist's moral grounding?

Sorry you are absolutely wrong i do understand what science is about.What i am against is letting religion guide morality and politics instead of science and legislature. Because religions are inconsistent it causes wars and conflict.Logic science and the law should guide morality as it is more universal.I am not lumping science with ideologies but explaining how science supports the increase in the age of consent as this is a more logical decision. An illogical decision would be saying the sons of abraham or mohamed did it so it is not sin , it is not wrong and hence we continue with our old ways because out concept of morality is based on a myth.

OLAADEGBU:

You are confusing yourself. We don't call the universe God but the handiwork of God. You need to understand that Observational science is different from origin science. The theory of evolution cannot account for the origin of the universe.

whatever floats your boat

MzJackBaueress: Scary!!

Why is every weird thing coming from India and China? The two countries need to ask God why!

Nope they need to ask about hiroshima or nagasaki

striktlymi:

At least LB is a super dumbster by choice but in your case, you are a natural. Sad thing is that you don't even realise it.

Feel happy with yourself i even liked your post

TheBigUrban2:


I swear, these people can be annoying. Repeating their nonsense talking points over and over again

I dont know if they are really that foolish or they just act ignorant.

They irritate me at least they should concede defeat review their facts given find errors in their argument the opponents argument then come up with a retort . But instead after one has wasted minutes pouring facts on their useless existence they they say you know nothing. They are beyond reasoning with.

striktlymi:

At least LB is a super dumbster by choice but in your case, you are a natural. Sad thing is that you don't even realise it.

loool if i am dumb then you must be have been born with a malformed deformed brain. See you wont win against me. Your unintelligible gibberish can be spouted and you might get away with it with most people because they might not be well read. Before you can thread where i am you need five lifetimes. But plss still get an education you need it.

davidhume1:

Lol
If you don't fear anything in life, i beg you in the name of all that is good to PLEASE fear the bolded in any religious person you come across!

That "ought-ness" has led to the death of over a hundred million native Americans, millions of jews in the dark ages, and several pagan communities all over Europe (directly or indirectly)!

My 2kobo !

Hitlers mentality: we ought wipe out the jews they are evil Yh hitler was a christian Added a picture of him shaking hands with the pope tho i am warning you just forget this thread you have met your match.

OLAADEGBU:

I was only making a grammatical point to cold. Now answer my questions if you can.

That is the problem all the crimes commited against humanity have been done in the name of a deity.Every mass genocide is in the name of a f..u.ck.ing deity that does not exist. While will i want to be a f***bloody sheepie.Must a 2000 year old book tell you what is moral. And as of the time of the begining the judeo christian myth little girls were been married off at the then supposed child birth age of 13. Safety was nonexistent as a bunch of hebrew wild dogs or cra.z.y mohammed followers can just attack your city kill the women children cattle salt the land because a sky daddy said it is their promised land. loool please you make this very easy the only way for you to win this argument is to bring up an illogical point like The bible says, or something not worth my time. From the direction this is ging you are getting there . Again i have debunked your points and told you why when responding please do the same. I have to read twice to get something tangible from your replies to work with its not fair

OLAADEGBU:

You are not making any sense at all. Chemical reactions cannot produce altruism in humans. Let me give you another case of behavioral inconsistencies in atheists. Consider an atheist who is outraged at seeing a violent murder on the 10 o'clock news. He becomes very upset and hopes that the murderer will be punished for his crime. But in his theoretical ideology, he should have no reason to be angry because in his atheistic, evolutionary universe where people are just animals, murder is no different than a tiger killing a goat. Will you even wish that the tiger gets punished for killing a goat? You say it's just chemical reactions, why wouldn't you get upset at baking soda for reacting with vinegar, is that not what chemicals do?

For a species to survive it must struggle to pass on its genes and protect those genes similar to it i.e other humans, this instinct exist in every animal. Thats why baboons don't gnaw at each others throat. Its a sorta pack mentality.Even hens get very aggressive when their chicks are attacked. Yes it is science.science. Pls don't make silly claims you know nothing about this is the 21st century every one should know this pls educate yourself.It is an instinct nd humans like other animals have them.

OLAADEGBU:

You are confusing issues again. Natural selection and mutation are not evolution you should get your facts right. Carbon dating is scientific but it depends on how you interpret the evidence. Your worldview will determine how you interpret the evidence. If you are looking at the evidence with your atheistic worldview then you will arrive at billion of years. If evolution is a fact as you have claimed why then is it not a scientific law?

I dont understand this how does my world view affect or distort the the fact that dating using radioactive isotopes reveals the earth is far more than a billion years old . What is all this smeloos you are spouting here . So if i was a christian who was aware of science pls how would i interprete this fact.You are just typing out of lack of what to say.Give a sound basis of argument.Include the reasons Try again.And the bible says so is not a reason.Cause i could also use my own imaginary story book to invalidate your points.Natural selection artificial selection is one of the various processes that lead up to evolution .Characteristics needed to survive are breeded out of the individuals by death of other individuals without these characteristics. Stop playing scientist brahh.Mutation is also a step in the chain of evolution. So you think evolution is just what it is Evolution. Pls stick to your scriptures you will embarrass yourself

OLAADEGBU:
Epic fail again. Elisha did not send bears and the bears did not kill those children. Get your facts right. It is also a fallacy as to how you arrived at the age of the universe. Since you have chosen to commit treason against your Creator by using an alternative model on the origin of the universe in place of the creation account as recorded in the book of Genesis, you should know the truth that God is angry at you for your wickedness.

Lol elisha cursed the children your deity still sent the bears regardless to eat the children who knew nothing about what they did.Do you study the scripture though?If you had a sibling and God killed him would you still worship such deity.You see i have studied the bible inside out there are a lot of inconsistencies to this gods judgement david kills a man to sleep with the wife god lets the child get born and kills the child to punish david dafuq.!!And religious bigots have the nerve to complain about abortion. kuro loju mi jare. The way genesis is written like someone actually witnessed god create the universe dafuq?!!! the book of genesis shouldnt exist as it constitutes another fallacyto this your illogcal myth.If a sentient beeign can easily create light or energy by speach he should also simply say let all be perfect and end the suffering in this world. He is doing a very poor job or is wicked or doesn't exist

OLAADEGBU:

Sex with minors is acceptable in Islam because their prophet and the holy book allows for it but there is no provision for this in Christianity. What gives you the impression that your moral code is better than the Muslims'? Who is to say what the moral code should be? You keep on lumping science with ideologies, I doubt whether you understand what real science is all about and this shows another form of the atheist's inconsistencies.

My question is what is the atheist's moral grounding?

This question has been answered so many time.The atheist moral grounding is the law and logic science what will further humanity and ethics

striktlymi:


You are a very silly individual and you know next to nothing!

loooool wht ever helps you sleep at night brahh.But pls get an education

striktlymi: Let's try this again...

Why is a foetus not a human being?

Guy i think your brain is actually dead ohh, are you s.tu.ipd? A fucking fetus is a fusion between a cell and an egg. It is a fucking cell and for some period of months it is still considered a cell because it is not alive and not functional and has no functional developed brain or nervous system so its not considered human. Pls try educating yourself why should we suffer because of your ignorance. Pls kill yourself.At every turn you religious folks act stupid

this is stupid and babaric

OLAADEGBU:
Who is your Creator?

Like the relationship between energy matter and thermodynamics.You call it God but we call it science and have harnessed it to create things that a a man from the jeudo christian myth would term Godly.

JMAN05:

What God needs from us is to learn about Him, and do His will. Divine Education is what matters to God nd application.

With that as a xtians PRIMARY pursuit, all other things are secondary. Just like servants of God in the past who had secular education, but refused to allow it guide their lives, so should a xtian be. Any concocted lies raised up against God's word is satanic. One may get the knowledge for some reasons, but never allow it to affect his worship of God just like God's servants of old.

Evolution is one big lie. That "doctrine" is a decoy. You dont disprove the bible with a lie.

What a true christian needs basically is to know how to read, speak, and write. This is the basic knowledge he needs to continue to do much more in his primary purpose on earth, learning about God and doing His will.

So you reject knowledge based on basis of a 2000 year old book based on a 2000 year old God that chooses the Israelite as his people and as Jesus the Savior of the ""Isrealites"" whilst your a western ex colonal mammal that was subjugated to accept a faith at the barrel of a gun. Pls dont reproduce.So you base your opinion on what is truthful on what some 2000 year old story a cave man cooked up on meth .This is the first time some ones stupidity is so potent that it makes me feel stupid

JMAN05: Christianity encourages Divine Education. Even if you want to keep studying till you die, thats very fine. If the issue is about secular education that has no bearing on the scriptures, it means little to God. Granted, When secular education is meant to teach you how to read, write and speak. That's fine. But there should be moderation.

In the scriptures only few had to venture into secular education, though they did so cos they had no choice I think. Of course, they never allowed those things to be their preoccupation, rather Divine Education did.

Christians as temporal residents, do not pursue worldly knowledge as if it is what they are here for. As if it is the way to the solution mankind needs.

i laugh at the lack of depth and thought needed to make such a reply. Are you trolling?

OLAADEGBU:

You just shot yourself in the foot by saying "Your god did not create(d) nothing"What you are actually saying is that my God did create something and I say would even go further to say that He created everything.

How is that a point ? You just state the obvious like there is no solid definition or sense of thought behind your arguments and points.Just a play on words Please if you think i am like the others you have faced loooool your on a long thing fam a very long one. How does his error invalidate his point.No please educate me i will not respond again if you don't at least make an effort.

OLAADEGBU:

I was not insulting you I was only making the point that the morality of atheists are relative. As you feel bad about the crime of paedophilia others who come from a different culture will see nothing wrong in not only violating minors but marrying them. My question is, what makes your own code of conduct right and theirs wrong?



I understand your point but do you realise that just as you detest paedophilia others equally detest murder in the name of abortion which you will most likely condone as long as your culture allows it.



Will you be singing the same song if you were to be brought up in an Islamic country?

Let's even put your morality to the test. Do you look at pornographic materials? Will you still be comfortable looking at pornographic materials if the government brings the age down to 16 from 18? At what point will you draw the line?

Why don't you get that inconsistencies are largely or are based on religious faith . Like your arguments just leap beyond logic.If i am a liberal Muslim atheist and i know about the reproductive functions of the female Instruments and how copulating with miniors is not a healthy activity i would and must strongly disagree lest i be labelled completely illogical. Atheist are more universally grounded than you religious lot.That is why you find atheists are more similar in general belief decorum and need for order than most religious fanatics.Islam is okay with sex with minors and so is Christianity.It is science that stands against this and pushes laws against this not a myth and that is why any man who stands for science has to support it .For if he is for underage marriage he is against us and a pshycho.I really hate how you constantly blame the problems created by these stupid myth against a lack of religion like Furthermore i don't know if you have a fetish for young girls but that's none of my business*sips Kermit tea*The age limit is set to 18 due to medical research such that the whole reproductive system is fully developed for child bearing.Reducing the age of consent is just wrong because it is illogical and unsafe. I dont know why you bring this point or this question that i have answered before but to each man his very own. Please give better arguments

OLAADEGBU:

Thanks for the compliment.

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If atheism is known for anything at all I'll say it is known for behavioral inconsistencies. Your behavior does not portray what you claim to believe. You teach and believe that human beings are simply chemical accidents, which is the end product of a long purposeless chain of biological evolution but when you go home you hug and kiss your wife and children, as if they are not simply chemical accidents but irreplaceable persons who deserve love and respect.

The behavioral inconsistency is as a result of hormones.Its like a drug addict knowing heroin kills but despite still using it because he is driven by chemicals and other activities in his brain and body(Explaining this would take forever be free to educate yourself). Most highly addictive drugs simulate chemicals or hormones that create feelings related to love or the euphoria of an org.as.mic releases this chemical is called dopamine and your brain also releases it when you eat that is why people also get addicted to food. This explains why people stay in bad relationships and why atheist still bother treating loved ones like human beings because love is an addiction and the act of showing love releases this dopeamine so all in all love is itself more or less a selfish act.
How is this statement a fact? The same can be said about Christians. There were Christians in Germany yet they were happy with killing Jews like animals.Christianity is a religion synonymous with inconsistency . A pastor tells a congregation filled with paupers to pray for good health whilst using their tithes to pay for top tier health services.For this argument i would claim fallacy and joorh save these stories for the gods.

OLAADEGBU:
Your dream can only be achieved if you stick to observational science. Historical science cannot be repeated, tested, falsified or experimented upon. The theory of Evolution, which is your deity is not observational science, it is not even a scientific theory or hypothesis. They only qualify as fairytales for adults.

Loool somebody come look at this! Furthermore. not all non religious believers qualify as atheist or are atheists. There are agnostics deist and many more.Not every non religious believer believes in evolution. Furthermore evolution is not yet a fact it is half truths with a bit of bullshit if i may say because there are a few inconsistencies in the argument however the argument is more solid with more proofs and evidences than a 2000 year old book, which i call bullshit because carbon dating says the earth is far older*news flash*4.54 billion years old.I believe the theory of evolution can be improved but it is not a deity and times without number the theories have been observed so your claim of it not been an observational science i call bullshit again these theories rely on natural selection and have been replicated in closed lab experiments.Furthermore it has been predicted that antibiotics to be used in 20 years will have to be far stronger than those in use at present because of natural selection. As the weaker bacterias die out the stronger ones replicate and pass on genes needed for survival.With the weaker competitors for resources killed off the stronger bacteria's will thrive.This has brought questions to the use of antibiotics,I cry heresy to your claims of fairy tales of adults because it has been observed.

OLAADEGBU:
Evolution is the religion of atheists and you believe this because you have to suppress your knowledge of the existence of God. You deny with your lips what you know in your heart. God has revealed Himself to everyone (Romans 1:19).

"Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God has showed it to them" (Romans 1:19)

So you base your facts on a 2000 year old book whilst the earth is like 4.54 billion years. I will never understand religion because it reeks of idiocy.Your deity has done a poor of playing god if he really exists.this is evident in the wars hunger poverty and deaths. If he is really omnipotent omnipresent and unchangeable he must be away playing with another experiment or project of his because all his creations have failed.The creator will and should be held responsible for the demise of his creation not another cooked up myth of what he created.The time i laughed at the idiocy that is religion was when a prophet cough*elijah or elisha* sent a bear to eat some children like what sort of all loving God is this dafuq! To me such a creator is irresponsible. Furthermore i am more agnostic or deist than atheist. This enables me study the inconsistencies in this fallacy called religion and laugh at it whilst furthering science. Belive me if there is a God he is not that of the jeudo christian myth neither is he islamic and please i have debunked most all your arguments give me a worthwhile reply.

What matters is law, order ,scientific progress and an end to war.This cant happen with religion still in the picture

Tasma:

Well I guess here is the fundamental difference in the way we both think. I believe practically every part of the human culture - including religion - is there for a purpose. Things didn't just come out of the blue for some mystical supernatural reason. Even if that was the case it still seems funny that a society and persons that have "firm" religious footing still end up doing completely silly stuff. Deeply committed religious persons have kept slaves, killed children, flogged wives, burnt witches etc. All this things society would denounce now. How could people who believed they were so spiritual end up doing things so stupid. If their spirituality didn't stop them from committing atrocities or maybe even encouraged them to commit such then why is being spiritual even considered to be a good thing?

Cheers

That is what the religious ones don't understad. We just want order and unity not disharmony and an end to pointless activities without real gain.Each second spent doing or engaging in pointless unrewarding activity is a waste of so much potential and imagine the number of people given the earth is over 8 billion. If time resources lives and potential were better managed we would cure every disease end poverty and have colonies on mars by now. But people rather put hope on a world they cant be certain about but only prove through a 2000 year book that was actually heavily influenced by pagan roman religions. Why do you think that you have a tree in your house during Easter like pleases people educate yourselves please read about the roman empire its religions and how they influenced budding Christianity and used it to unite and subvert the people. like ahhh am literally pulling my hair out of frustration most people will read this and pass by but i hope someone chooses to educate themselves

dblock: Religious people may actually be more critical in their ideas, than non religious people who in fact are not as inquisitive but simply choosing not to believe in certain things and absorbing everything else.

No we don't choose not to believe we first cross reference the possibility of an event with reality review facts and knowledge gotten from various sources cite the various many errors and inconsistencies of this knowledge and it's petty nature of such facts before we write it of as garbage.

LordReed:

I didn't mention western education, I wrote western styled formal schools so I do take cognizance of the difference.

I doubt there is any nation on earth currently that has no university or professors no matter how religious the nation.

And that is a good thing. Western or not .I would rather live in a western styled house than in the forest in a mud hut like my ancestors? This is the way forward. Western styled education or whatever is just education it is global people should get with the script.

datguru: Nigeria bribed their way there,

ogomu mentality at best

StArusi: This same UBA that I was at today that got me almost cursing all their staff cos of their poor relating skills and nasty attitude.This sounds ironical and deceptive. See even Union bank. Unless this is the list of 1000 top banks based on failure and tendency to collapse.

Poor service does not always equals poor financial performance.This only occurs in western worlds were the peoples opinions are considered.

TheBigUrban2:


The decision gets harder as the feotus grows

This is because the cell slowly starts developing sentience.And the mother slowly starts feeling this other presence This feeling is further bolstered by hormones that she secretes and the child also releases.Just so you know baby's are born blind but know their mother through the imprint of the hormone. Thats why they stop crying immediately they are in her arms albeit blind. That is why the decision has to be made swiftly. Just so you know to me an abortion after 6 months is murder. You had a good 4 months whilst the fetus lacked proper development to do it. What people need is education

jesuslovesme123:

Okay. But that has not explained why thousands of muslim men are so prone to unspeakable violence...

Because their are texts or versions of the hadiths that are i will term babaric out of lack of a better word. So uneducated lowerclass subhumans are brainwashed with these texts which are usually taken out of context. They do not consider the message as a whole because most atimes they know nothing about the religion themselves. Like they are fed a part of the religion that suits the prerogative of the upperclassmen and sent to do their bidding. If they were better educated knew about confirmation and information bias and understood the religion and time it was developed in they would know better.

hifaif:

You know what, sweetie, there is nothing in the Qur'an that turns young men into violent monsters.

Just as there are verses in the Bible that pastors use to conveniently fleece their congregation and live extravagantly, so are there hadith that are used as propaganda tools by some Muslims and non-muslims to carry out acts of terrorism in the name of Allah.

The nail has been hit on the head. Of COURSE!!!!!!!!. The answer is education but they have deemed it evil.

1ord: Nope it is not because one fears the arm of the law. It is the realization that if we were all red eyed cannibals their would be no progress in humanity and our chances of self accomplishment and attempts to further humanity will be futile and pointless. Further the chances of our survival in an organised and controlled situation is optimal. That is why atheists agnostics and deists seem to want to control religion. Because we have moved beyond it and it just seems to drag us as a species backwards. I do not kill because i fear the law,with a good enough lawyer and sufficient bribes i can find a loop hole within the law. Its just that the stress and time spent can be spent immortalizing my name and receiving plaudits and awards. Hence atheist do not fear the law they respect and encourage it because it furthers their agenda and optimizes their chances of survival. Imagine what it would have been like been a free thinker in the stone ages with no laws. we would have been flayed for heresy for opening up the human body to find out how it works. Now you enjoy a long life due to the risk a free thinker took although many were flayed. We have taken the mantle upon ourselves to further humanity so they can become the Gods and determine the point of their existence not as an individual but as a unit. That is why we have problems with religion it creates an individual specific identity. Explaining this will take too much time. Hope i have cleared your doubts.

Referring to the bold i meant to say atheist do not fear the law hence fear of the law is not the reason why they do not kill but because it is pointless and moved further to explain why and how it does not further the development of our societies or species because that is the point of atheism.The only fear of atheism is that humanity will fail as a species die out or people refuse education in the name of a deity. i think you misunderstood . Just to clarify
To the below?
Are you insinuating or trying to insult my person by referring to pedophilia. This is meant to be a constructive argument and so far you have failed to prove any point whatsoever.

OLAADEGBU:

Your fishy morality just takes advantage of the situation to please yourselves. If your Government reduces the age of consent for sex to 13 would you not take advantage of the situation? undecided

Furthermore i am too educated to engage in such nefarious activities. I am well aware that biology reveals that at a tender age of 13 the womb and urinary tract and also the hip size are not in the right proportion and can lead to several complications during child birth. It can completely damage the urethra and lead to various kidney infections and later death it can lead to damage of the womb not to preach but there's nothing good in copulating with an under aged. Furthermore there is no true consent at such an age because the person has not fully developed self of sense and identity. What might be referred to as consent is either influence or manipulation from some one older who the minor might look up to or out of fear of not conforming. Furthermore religious texts encourage copulating with minors. It was the discovery by science that led to laws against sex with minors not morality. Because if the bible and quaran dictated morality and not the need of self preservation and order we would raid non christian villages kill their men women cattles and salt their lands in the name of God and also sleep with children please come up with a better argument and less flaws doesn't tell so good of you.The problem with religious folks is that they are so copped up in their belief that they attribute every decision made to a deity.How can you live as such? Are you sentient at all? like sleeping with a 13 year old is just dangerous for the minor but abnormal and does not further society in any way but reduce us to primal perverted dogs. Like on what basis or reasoning would one reduce the age of consent when facts, science, medicine and psychology stand against this decision. I am just deeply troubled right now.