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Re: The Christ Embassy Church Is A Cult by WinsomeX: 3:10pm On Apr 05, 2015 |
stonecoldcafe: Well, thank you for this post. At least one person is understanding me here. 1 Like |
Re: The Christ Embassy Church Is A Cult by WinsomeX: 3:20pm On Apr 05, 2015 |
Gombs, can you list out whatever grouse you have with this thread in a serial manner: 1,2,3,... and let's treat them one after the other. That way our readers can both understand us and there can be some order in the discussion. I have stated why I believe your church is a cult. You could then state what and what in my discussion does not support this assertion. Can we try that, please? 1 Like |
Re: The Christ Embassy Church Is A Cult by Gombs(m): 3:22pm On Apr 05, 2015 |
stonecoldcafe: I wonder why you will generalize alot of things as a lump. I Know of Pastors Pastor Chris ordanied to start their own ministry. I know those who left with the blessings of their pastor to start their own ministry. The fact that a guy's own turned sour does not mean it is so in CEC. You may never know the full details, yet you concluded from afar. Well done o. i make it a duty never to speak on things i have little or no details about. I, unlike my friend, the OP do not patronize nor entertain hear-says and gossips. 2 Likes |
Re: The Christ Embassy Church Is A Cult by Gombs(m): 3:36pm On Apr 05, 2015 |
WinsomeX: Oh! I Have already. well 1. Pastor Chris is NOT our God/god in CEC. 2. Pastor Chris teaches against sin. ("Concept of Sin", "Anticipating Evil", "Sin, Forgiveness and Righteousness" etc I'd gladly mail you these messages if you want) Sin in the congregation is not a new thing to any Christian gathering, ask the Corinthians, or Galatians etc. In the gathering of saints (Job 1), Satan still came there, talk less of the gathering of belivers. Are you saying it's unique to CEC? 3.Fake miracles? You never cease to amaze me. 4. Hate and violence? Really? Let me write out our anthem for you Believers’ LoveWorld, It’s a place, Where we share God’s love, Reaching out, With peace and love, Making plain God’s plan for all, Believers’ LoveWorld, Building a happier, World with love; infact, your thread is a well packed lie. But... I'm here to put you in check. I will be off for a long while, Communion service starts by 4pm, will be back by 9pm (not this this is the closing time o, before you use am as headline). BLW is a nation, and as any nation, it is a large body of people united by common descent (Christ), history (Christ), culture (Christ), or language (You know na ) , inhabiting a particular state or territory (just that BLW has no borders, it is cut across territories by the Spirit of God.) Pastor Chris is the president of the BLW nation. He leads us all in God's army as a general. He has leaders, to the smallest unit. I happento be a leader. As in any well trained army, we don't fall out of line, we rarely do, because we're trained. Well trained as highlighted in 2 Timothy 2:4 BBE A fighting man, when he is with the army, keeps himself free from the business of this life so that he may be pleasing to him who has taken him into his army. 5 And if a man takes part in a competition he does not get the crown if he has not kept the rules. We play by rules as enshrined in the bible. You may not understand, but each ministry has its unique message from God, and each ministry is God's military base, except it is not bible based ministry. If you want to call it a cult, fine. 6 Likes |
Re: The Christ Embassy Church Is A Cult by WinsomeX: 4:18pm On Apr 05, 2015 |
^^^ Very well, Gombs. I will accept it that you have responded to my question and queries alright. At the risk of sounding repetitive, can you please tell me in a nutshell what the GOSPEL of Jesus Christ is? Of course, after you return from church. 2 Likes |
Re: The Christ Embassy Church Is A Cult by Kenny4lyfe(m): 4:27pm On Apr 05, 2015 |
Gombs: @Kenny4lyfe **this is gonna be very interesting** 1 Like |
Re: The Christ Embassy Church Is A Cult by Kenny4lyfe(m): 4:55pm On Apr 05, 2015 |
@WinsomeX aka drummaboy Having gone through your the first few posts of your thread, I might as well suggest that you change your title to "The WOF Church Is a Cult". Reason is, I see this thread going the same path as the infamous WOF (which started as a anti-CE thread). The points you highlighted will simply be dealt with... Your conclusion though! **rib cracking** |
Re: The Christ Embassy Church Is A Cult by WinsomeX: 5:36pm On Apr 05, 2015 |
Kenny4lyfe: The topic remains. I hope you return to deal with the points as you promised bc if you really do, you will not find anything funny about all these. My threads are not for jokes; my posts are never funny; they are matters of eternity. I pray you find grace to understand. 2 Likes |
Re: The Christ Embassy Church Is A Cult by Kenny4lyfe(m): 5:44pm On Apr 05, 2015 |
WinsomeX: Ok! I'm not joking either! Trust me, this thread us gonna end like the WOF thread did! That, my friend, is a FACT! |
Re: The Christ Embassy Church Is A Cult by Gombs(m): 5:47pm On Apr 05, 2015 |
WinsomeX: The gospel of Jesus Christ is encapsulated in one thought, which is about JESUS and His liquid love (love that flows), forgiveness and righteousness. The Bible records that God poured out His love upon all and this came through Christ Jesus. While we were yet sinners was when Christ came to die for us. He gave His life for the purpose of saving us, which is of no lesser value. This means that Jesus and His vicarious death defined the value of a human being. He told us practically by His sacrifice that we're worth His life. God loved and loves us same way He loves Jesus. He gave His life that I may have nothing of a lesser value so that I should have His life. It’s about the liquid love of Christ; the ever-flowing love. He thought I was something, He thought I was valuable and He didn't even wait for me to act first, He just gave Himself for me. If God so loved me, that means I'm special so I'm going to talk special, think special, live special and be special. Jesus Christ, Son of the living God arose early in the morning on the third day like He said He would and He did this for me. What a miracle just for my sake. Hallelujah!!! It is about forgiveness. Do you understand forgiveness? There is no forgiveness in religion. No other religion can offer forgiveness. Jesus brought forgiveness. That's why the Bible tells us that through Christ comes forgiveness. The people of the world and religions go through thick and thin to get forgiveness and still yet they won't and can't obtain it. In the religions you've got to pay for your sins but Jesus gives forgiveness. Your good works cannot outweigh your bad works. No amount of pure water will purify impure water. Christ was on the cross and with His liquid love He proved He could forgive. It wasn't a political love or forgiveness but real true forgiveness. He said "Father forgive them for they know not what they do". Having a record as though you've never sinned. There is forgiveness for all the little stupid things we do. God is not counting them against us. The wonderful thing about receiving forgiveness from Christ is He gives you power to live above sin. The message is also about His righteousness; the rightness of God. The power to be always right. You don't know what is right until you meet God. God is the only one who can tell us what He accepts and rejects. But to be able to stand before God blameless is the rightness. God is too glorious. Jesus is too great. There you have it. You may then ask, "I don't see wealth or health there" Well, the good book says I John 14:23 KJV Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him. Imagine, the monarch of the universe dwelling in you, will there be room for sickness and disease? Why then are many so? That's another day's gist. Also, Romans 5:17 KJV For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.) We reign as kings, because we received Christ, all goodies come to us because we love Him as He did us. Like Joagbaje will say, their is no things as prosperity gospel, the gospel is complete (wealth, health, joy, peace, victory, etc) Ummm...take Kenny's advice and edit the thread's name. 2 Likes |
Re: The Christ Embassy Church Is A Cult by WinsomeX: 6:48pm On Apr 05, 2015 |
THE FALSE GOSPEL OF CHRIST EMBASSY The gospel that the Christ Embassy Church teaches is a gospel of man. It is a gospel me, myself and I. It is a gospel where God is the errand boy and man is the central theme, not God or his Christ. The true gospel points at God's solution to redeeming human kind from sin. In the process of this happening, the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ is exalted and his Son who brought our salvation is sitted at the right hand of the Father, receiving as all glory. So that having spoken about the gospel and what Christ has done, Paul cannot but conclude by stating the doxology: Romans 11:32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all. 11:33 O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out! 11:34 For who hath known the mind of the Lord? or who hath been his counsellor? 11:35 Or who hath first given to him, and it shall be recompensed unto him again? 11:36 For of him, and through him, and to him, are all things: to whom be glory for ever. Amen. It is all to God's glory. For Christ Embassy and other cults like it, it is all to man's glory. That's why the central of every message is about man and how his needs can be met. About man's healing, promotion, success, breakthrough, etc. The gospel of the Christ Embassy is essentially a prosperity gospel but it has been taken to even a crass level, deeper than what the originators, Hagin and co, planned it to be. The Christ Embassy now find its version of their gospel from the doctrine and lifestyle of their founder, Chris Oyakhilome. And since Chris' life is upside down right now, we cannot expect for members of the church to be right side up. The Christ Embassy Church is a relic of a prosperity church that finds its relevance from the noise making that they call music ministry. They spend hours praying in tongues without giving one second to knowing the meaning of what they say. They revel in false testimonies of members who must lie to each other, claiming that the lie they preach to each other is working. And they continue all of these in a closed system where only themselves know that they are lying to each other and where they know they are neck deep in a cult they find extremely difficult to come out of. Gombs tell us about some "liquid love" of Christ as the gospel of Jesus. What he will not tell you is that that phrase is one of the high sounding but meaningless terms that Oyakhilome uses to hoodwink his followers to continue in the cult slavery. God's love is God's love. Scripture has no record of a "liquid love" anywhere. You may wish to revert to page 0 and see a brief history of how cults are made to realize that the CEC is a made cult. The gospel of Jesus Christ is not about man and his needs. It is about God and his glory. That glory is what is shown forth in Christ redeeming man from sin. So that the redeemed man can never boast in himself but spend life and eternity thanking God and giving him all glory. Next, I will begin discussing Dr Martins analysis of the cultist mindset so we may understand why a poster had earlier explained that some CEC members suddenly become distant when they are fully inculcated into the cult of CEC. What the whole "I'm a god..." nonsense is all about. BTW, "I'm god" is a frequently used term by Mormons also. 3 Likes |
Re: The Christ Embassy Church Is A Cult by Gombs(m): 7:15pm On Apr 05, 2015 |
^^ [size=18pt]Omo, see black bellerism version 5.0 lollipop[/size] Liquid love is simply love that flows. Love that hasn't waxed cold. You don't have to make a big thing out of anything. You asked for the gospel of Jesus in a nutshell, I answered, Love, forgiveness and righteousness. Guess what you attacked? "Liquid Love", and you went on, rambling, spewing more hilarious lies, making a simpleton of yourself. Remeber the old WOF thread, you said things as 'WoF building', 'WoF Piano' 'WoF music' and such other nonsense. Really? CEC music ministry makes noise instead of wonderful melody to God? You mean you can do better than Sinach, Frank Edwars, Samsong, Buchi, Sophia, Chris Shalom,Joe Praise, etc. See what your hate and bitterness is turning you into? These folks has blessed much more than you can imagine, but you just have to hate, didn't you? Anyways, carry on with you writ. I'd be back when you get real. 2 Likes |
Re: The Christ Embassy Church Is A Cult by Joagbaje(m): 7:18pm On Apr 05, 2015 |
It's not only Christ embassy that's a cult . Christianity is a cult. 4 Likes |
Re: The Christ Embassy Church Is A Cult by MuttleyLaff: 7:27pm On Apr 05, 2015 |
Joagbaje:There is cult, and there is cult Is this an attempt to "get the dirt off" Christ embassy so Christ embassy can come up smelling of roses? 1 Like |
Re: The Christ Embassy Church Is A Cult by Gombs(m): 7:28pm On Apr 05, 2015 |
Joagbaje: Gbam. Afterall, the bible said we are complete in Him who's the head of all principalities. 1 Like |
Re: The Christ Embassy Church Is A Cult by Gombs(m): 7:30pm On Apr 05, 2015 |
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Re: The Christ Embassy Church Is A Cult by WinsomeX: 10:10pm On Apr 05, 2015 |
Kenny4lyfe: Well, if it will end like the WoF thread, then that's good news bc the WoF remains a resounding success. A veritable source of info for many today. A thread that shut all WoF adherents up. That is a good thing. |
Re: The Christ Embassy Church Is A Cult by Gombs(m): 11:02pm On Apr 05, 2015 |
^^ Sarcasm |
Re: The Christ Embassy Church Is A Cult by WinsomeX: 4:30am On Apr 06, 2015 |
As we continue the study of Christ Embassy being a cult, my hope is that the readers understand that my reference to the CEC being a cult is not in that extreme manner of a group of people who make covenants in blood and hold meetings at night. This is the reason I refused to respond to an earlier comment where an individual resorted to the dictionary to define what a cult should be. I am not doing dictionary definition of cultism here. I am looking at cults as defined by Walter Martins in his book The Kingdom of the Cults and with reference to how the bible sees them. Apart from the Mormons, Jehovah Witnesses and Christian Science, Dr Martins also did a study of many other cult groups, including the New Age movement, etc. I was very surprised to find Word of Faith listed as a cult in the Appendix of the book although my surprise was only a confirmation of something I have long suspected. Joagbaje has commented on this thread with a seeming witty statement that Christianity could as well be a cult if CEC is one. Like a responder said to him, such a comment cannot detract from the matter on ground. Dr Walter Martin was a sound evangelical Christian. His theological persuasion were derived from orthodox Protestant theologies, deeply rooted in the Reformed Tradition. He was not a Pentecostal and he did not list Pentecostalism as a cult in his book. In fact he did not include WoF as a cult in the original version of his book. But his followers deemed it fit to include WoF as cultic after his death and that's why it is listed in the appendix of the book. Quite naturally the thought of CEC being a cult sounds distasteful and I'm certain even some that are my friends in this forum may think that my assertion is a little on the extreme but shall we consider the evidences before us without bias and shall we not take heed lest this false doctrine creep into our homes and into the lives of our children? Shall we permit a modern day Nigerian Jimmy Jones tragedy before we speak out? Another person has shared on this thread how people he knows suddenly become "new creatures" the moment they imbibe CEC doctrines into their lives. With thinking of "I'm a god", "I can fly", "I can do all things", "the world is mine", "I do everything for the money", etc, replete in their thoughts and words. I would continue the discuss as I try to retrieve salient quotes from Dr Martins on the cultist mental state, so that you can understand the CEC member next door even better. Cheers. - WX. 2 Likes |
Re: The Christ Embassy Church Is A Cult by WinsomeX: 4:57am On Apr 06, 2015 |
GENERAL EDITOR'S INTRODUCTION The revised, updated, and expanded thirtieth anniversary edition of The Kingdom of the Cults could not have been released at a more strategic time in church history. More than three decades ago, Walter Martin warned that cultism would have a devastating impact on the culture. Today cultism is having an equally devastating impact on the church. The line of demarcation between the kingdom of the cults and the kingdom of Christ is not only being blurred, it is being obliterated. Recently, a book entitled How Wide the Divide? was released by a major evangelical publisher. This book, coauthored by a professor of a major evangelical seminary, wistfully looks forward to the day "when youth groups or adult Sunday school classes from Mormon and evangelical churches in the same neighborhoods would gather periodically to share their beliefs with each other in love and for the sake of understanding not proselytizing." 1 According to the authors, Mormons and evangelicals agree that "the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are one eternal God." The truth of course is that they do not! As James White, author of Is the Mormon My Brother?, aptly points out, "The only way to make such a statement is to so redefine every word used as to make the entire effort meaningless." 3 2 In The Kingdom of the Cults Walter Martin prophetically warned that the day would come when Christians would be unable and unwilling to "scale the language barrier." Today as never before cultists of all stripes are using Christian terminology while pouring their own meanings into the words, in the process sometimes fooling even conservative evangelical leaders. While the authors of How Wide the Divide? suggest that we worship the same God, in reality the God of historical biblical Christianity is vastly different from the God of Mormonism. According to Mormonism, "As man is, God once was; as God is, man may become." 4 Mormon founder Joseph Smith goes so far as to say God was "once a man as we are now." 5 In stark contrast to the God of Mormonism, the God of Christianity is infinite and immutable. The distance between them is the distance of infinity. In minimizing the "divide" between the kingdom of Christ and the kingdom of the cults one can hope to forge only superficial friendships with cultists. If we genuinely want to influence a cultist for Christ, it is necessary, as Walter Martin did, to tell the truth about the vast chasm that separates us. Walter Martin’s witness and writings have been used by the Lord to move multitudes out of cultism into Christianity. While Walter Martin has gone on to be with his Lord, it is my prayer that The Kingdom of the Cults, his magnum opus, will equip yet another generation of cult apologists. As you read on, you will be prepared to reach out to the mission field on your own doorstep as well as mission fields in distant lands. More than that you will be inspired to be a tool in the hands of almighty God in the process of changing lives for time and for eternity. Not only can the lives of individuals be transformed but entire unbiblical movements can be transformed as well. Consider the Worldwide Church of God. In previous editions of The Kingdom of the Cults, this movement was listed as a non-Christian cult. This edition, however, notes their journey since then from cultism to the Cross. Joseph Tkach Jr., pastor-general of theWorldwide Church of God, best summarized this transformation when he wrote, "Gone are our obsessions with a legalistic interpretation of the Old Testament, our belief in British Israelism, and our insistence on our fellowship’s exclusive relationship with God. Gone are our condemnations of medical science, the use of cosmetics, and traditional Christian celebrationssuch as Easter and Christmas. Gone is our long-held view of God as a ‘family’ of multiple ‘spirit beings’ into which humans may be born, replaced by a biblically accurate view of one God who exists eternally in three Persons: the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. We have embraced and now champion the New Testament’s central theme: the life, death, and resurrection of Jesus Christ. Jesus’ saving work on behalf of humanity is now the focus of our flagship magazine, The Plain Truth, rather than end-time prophectic speculation. We proclaim the sufficiency of our Lord’s substitutionary sacrifice to save us from the penalty for sin. We teach salvation by grace, based on faith alone, without resort to works of any kind." 6 This thirtieth anniversary edition of The Kingdom of the Cults not only maintains the integrity of Dr. Martin’s profoundly original work but adds current, up-to-date information and in-depth analysis in user friendly fashion. As General Editor, I have preserved Walter Martin’s original thoughts while updating and extending them through those who have effectivelymastered the spirit of his work. Several completely new chapters, reflecting significant changes in the field of cult apologetics have also been added. These changes are noted in footnotes at the head of chapters.I would like to express my appreciation to Gretchen Passantino who, as Managing Editor, did the lion’s share of the work on this project. I am also deeply grateful for the contributions of the team of contributors she assembled. With the diversity of theological perspectives represented, disagreements on secondary issues are inevitable. Walter Martin and I, for thatmatter, hold differing views on a variety of issues, such as eschatology. We are all, however, firmly united around the maxim, "In essentials unity, in nonessentials liberty, in all things charity."Thus with the deepest of gratitude to our Lord Jesus Christ for raising up the ministry of Dr. Walter Martin, we submit to His purposes this new edition of The Kingdom of the Cults. 2 Likes |
Re: The Christ Embassy Church Is A Cult by Gombs(m): 6:55am On Apr 06, 2015 |
WinsomeX: Seems I am the only one trying to make sense out of your thread. Hopefully, I'd wish to stay longer. From the above bold, I like your description of Dr. Walters, in fact, I knew he had issues with Hagin and Copeland over positive faith confessions. However, as you described him as a sound evangelical Christian- emphasis on 'sound'. I don't seem to want to doubt that now. Did you know his stands on tithing? Maybe i should drop something for you here: hope you know he founded Christian Research Institute, (CRI)? Now read carefully http://www.equip.org/article/tithing/#christian-books-4 Now, are you calling him sound evangelical Christian because he wrote about cultism, or because he really was sound Christian? If your answer is the latter, why then would you reject his stance on tihing and embrace cultism, a fact you admitted he didn't mention WoF as one? Should I list what he mentioned as cults? While Dr. Walter Martin was critical of Hagin and Copeland's teachings concerning their views of Christ, healing, faith, and prosperity, he believed in the perpetuity of charismatic spiritual gifts in the Church. To that end, Martin presented his positive appraisal of spiritual gifts in several audio lectures (visit www.waltermartin.com) . Or watch https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjMMbFYojA4 You can't just come here and lie about the man just to suit yourself. Using his positions on Mormonism, Scientology, Christian Science, Jehovah witnesses etc to make us believe what he wasn't saying. 2 Likes |
Re: The Christ Embassy Church Is A Cult by vooks: 7:49am On Apr 06, 2015 |
Gombs, First tithing is not exclusive to evangelicals. Even Catholicism teaches it http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/14741b.htm SDAs too So for Walter Martin to have believed and taught it and yet label WOF as cultic means the distinction between tithing and WOF was clear to him. There is something you mentioned up there to the effect that marriages within membership are strongly encouraged to 'prevent clash of doctrines' and you gave example of a Catholic and a CEC lady marrying. Please tell me whether there are doctrines peculiar to CEC and not other evangelical churches like say RCCG, and if marriages between members of CEC and other evangelical churches are frowned upon. Thanks buddy |
Re: The Christ Embassy Church Is A Cult by Nobody: 8:06am On Apr 06, 2015 |
WinsomeX: I don't see how any of what you mentioned above proves the witnesses are a cult. You just given a brief history of their modern day development. I should believe that someone raising such controversal issue should at least have basic logical reasoning and persuasive thinking. But to my uttermost disappointment, it is brazenly lacking. You just read and swallow hook, line and sinker, without asking the simplest questions. 1 Like |
Re: The Christ Embassy Church Is A Cult by Kenny4lyfe(m): 8:12am On Apr 06, 2015 |
WinsomeX: [b] I totally agree with Gombs on the "liquid love" response but here is what I want to point out to you. Who do you say the central theme of the gospel of Christ was again? The gospel of Jesus Christ is the power of God unto SALVATION to "everyone"... Romans 1:16 Man is the reason Jesus Christ came to consummate the salvation of mankind through His death, burial and resurrection from the dead. Hallelujah! He said, 1. "I am come that "They" might have life..." John 10:10b Who's "they"? Trees and twigs? 2. "For God so love the "The world" (so much so) that He gave His only begotten son that who so ever believe in Him should not perish..." John 3:16 The world of who? Cattles and goats maybe? The gospel is the message of God's love towards mankind dear friend, Jesus brought us a message of Life, Light and Love. Man has been the focal point of His plan all along, that is quite evident in the gospel and epistles. "To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling "the world" unto Himself, not imputing their trespasses against them... ;" 2 Corinthians 5:19 [/b] 2 Likes |
Re: The Christ Embassy Church Is A Cult by Kenny4lyfe(m): 8:31am On Apr 06, 2015 |
Joagbaje: Christianity is a cult indeed *We eat flesh; *We drink blood; *We speak in tongues (which is gibberish to the spiritually unlearned); *We call forth things that be not as though they were ('cus we've come to understand that all things were made by the spoken word); *We are so addicted to our belief such that it has become the air we breathe, the clothe we wear and the food we eat and we are resolute that nothing- not tribulation, distress, persecution, famine, unclothedness, sword, peril nor a dead on arrival thread by someone with a personal vendetta would stop us. and; *We are led by God's spirit. What more can I say? We are unstoppable jor!!!! 3 Likes |
Re: The Christ Embassy Church Is A Cult by Kenny4lyfe(m): 8:34am On Apr 06, 2015 |
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Re: The Christ Embassy Church Is A Cult by Gombs(m): 8:39am On Apr 06, 2015 |
[quote author=vooks post=32396087] Gombs, He never labeled WoF as cultic, Drummaboy would want us believe thus, in a subtle way. Now, that you know he didnt, you can now re think your post. There is something you mentioned up there to the effect that marriages within membership are strongly encouraged to 'prevent clash of doctrines' and you gave example of a Catholic and a CEC lady marrying. Are you sure you read carefully what i post here? Please tell me whether there are doctrines peculiar to CEC and not other evangelical churches like say RCCG, and if marriages between members of CEC and other evangelical churches are frowned upon. stay on topic please. thanks. but for clarity, marriages between CEC and other churches aren't frowned upon, neither are they encouraged (Which church would encourage her brethren to marry from another church?). If you want to marry from say winners, the church writes to Winners introducing the sister or brother, likewise Winners, by then, CEC for example would have read and known what Winners believe in, and winners likewise, and then, a go ahead is given. But if for example, a CE member wants to marry a JW, knowing what they believe in, it will not be encouraged to do so, especially when it is a sister going to the JW brother, why? becasue alot of people have lost thier ministry on the altar of marriage. A sister or brother who won 20 folks to Christ, a leader, all of a sudden is light out, because their spouse do not share same beliefs or doctrine, but if you want to still marry outside, fine, go head. *I am solely responsible for anything i posted above, this is what i know about it, it may however, not be the complete detail. Joagbaje will do great in answering this, extensively. but, if i want to get maried now, why would i ignore all the fine sisters in CE, and end up looking outside? Thanks buddy welcome jare. Now, can we stay on topic? 2 Likes |
Re: The Christ Embassy Church Is A Cult by Gombs(m): 8:41am On Apr 06, 2015 |
Kenny4lyfe: Haahahahahahahahahhaahh. Nice one jorr... The head of all principalities is our boss. We, christians, for sure are a cult. 2 Likes |
Re: The Christ Embassy Church Is A Cult by vooks: 8:57am On Apr 06, 2015 |
Is WOF cultic? Please make a point of examining the sources shared by Winsomex. Appendix B titled the Word Faith Movement paragraph 4. The reason I asked about marriages is because that is the hallmark of cults; exclusivism. They are the only custodians of truth and outside is just ignorance and deception. I don't know of ANY pentecostal church that frowns upon members marrying other pentecostals and it came as a surprise that CEC actively discourages that bro. I find it decidedly convenient that you keep on throwing examples of Catholicism and JW,obvious sectarian organizations. Catholics derives their doctrine/authority from Scriptures AND Tradition;JW from their own translation of scriptures AND Watchtower Society. These two are clearly incompatible with Pentecostalism. But what about RCCG? Once again, what's the risk of Gombs marrying an RCCG girl? By actively encouraging 'inbreeding' while being indifferent to inter-sects marriages, they are clearly DISCOURAGING such A more relevant question is, what's so WRONG with a fine RCCG damsel? [quote author=Gombs post=32397778][/quote] |
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Re: The Christ Embassy Church Is A Cult by Gombs(m): 10:09am On Apr 06, 2015 |
vooks: You had to twist my intentions, no?. Nothing is wrong as a believer, in RCCG marrying CEC, or CEC marrying Winners, RCCG or Catholic or JW or even Muslims. I said it is not encouraged, I did not say "CEC actively discourages" it. It is unfair to clamp it on CE as a flaw, most (if not all) churches do not encourage marrying outside, because of doctrines, majorly. This is my last on this. Stop derailing this thread, if you want to discuss marriage further, open a thread and call me in. 1 Like
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Re: The Christ Embassy Church Is A Cult by WinsomeX: 10:36am On Apr 06, 2015 |
vfactor: It was the introductory statement on the sect. You can download the book and read the rest yourself. |
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