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Re: Bounties Of Jannat (paradise) by Nobody: 8:03pm On Nov 27, 2006
davidylan:

Someone probably hurrying away to collect his share of the bounties of jannat!

lol 'le bounte du jannat'
Re: Bounties Of Jannat (paradise) by Nobody: 10:28am On Nov 28, 2006
More of what jannat really has to offer!

1- Complete ban on women's work outside the home, which also applies to female teachers, engineers and most professionals. Only a few female doctors and nurses are allowed to work in some hospitals in Kabul.

2- Complete ban on women's activity outside the home unless accompanied by a mahram (close male relative such as a father, brother or husband).

3- Ban on women dealing with male shopkeepers.

4- Ban on women being treated by male doctors.

5- Ban on women studying at schools, universities or any other educational institution. (Taliban have converted girls' schools into religious seminaries.)

6- Requirement that women wear a long veil (Burqa), which covers them from head to toe.

7- Whipping, beating and verbal abuse of women not clothed in accordance with Taliban rules, or of women unaccompanied by a mahram.

8- Whipping of women in public for having non-covered ankles.

9- Public stoning of women accused of having sex outside marriage. (A number of lovers are stoned to death under this rule).

10- Ban on the use of cosmetics. (Many women with painted nails have had fingers cut off).

11- Ban on women talking or shaking hands with non-mahram males.

12- Ban on women laughing loudly. (No stranger should hear a woman's voice).

13- Ban on women wearing high heel shoes, which would produce sound while walking. (A man must not hear a woman's footsteps.)

14- Ban on women riding in a taxi without a mahram.

15- Ban on women's presence in radio, television or public gatherings of any kind.
Re: Bounties Of Jannat (paradise) by belloti(m): 11:30am On Nov 28, 2006
David you are on your own and i strongly disclaim everything you added.

Havila and Baby, i like your prompt response to the attack on my learned brother Olabowale. i think we still got that special bond in here. And rightly so, i am more like a politician and sometimes if you take me too seriously you may be missing the point. But you all know am not a terrorist, that you can be sure of. Like what Havila said i try to keep the mood right by playing down on some key divisive factors. I never knew you guys were watching. lol.

But the fact is we are here to understand the psyche of an average muslim or christian on issues relating to faith and harmony. Most of the times you post as if you are trying to win new converts while we only try to explain some aspects of islam that you might not be clear about.

The truth is i am a devout muslim and i will always be one but i always encourage mutual dialogue and interfaith discussions in order to correct the misconception about islam.

As for the reptiles, i never heard of any brother or sister devouring any of such. But Pork is Haram in Islam, that is very clear.
Re: Bounties Of Jannat (paradise) by Nobody: 4:54pm On Nov 28, 2006
@ Belloti

grin cheesy
Those were actually part of the Afghanistan constitution during the reign of the Taleban, i guess they were only creating a special part of their own brand of jannat!

How is Zamfara and the zealot doing? grin
Seriously i like Yerima, as a comedian!
Re: Bounties Of Jannat (paradise) by belloti(m): 5:26pm On Nov 28, 2006
David, You are hereby invited to the weddings of Yarima's two daughters on saturday Dec 2nd, 2006 in Gusau. If you are coming we can arrange for your accommodation.  cheesy

Anyway, we are talking about bounties of Jannah here. The goal is for us to worship God on earth and reap the reward in heaven and that goes for all the genders. Woman by nature are suppose to one day get married to a man and be his wife. whichever religion you practice, this sequence applies. i think that presupposes some sort of relationship putting one gender ahead of another or rather putting one under the influence of another. am not going to explain further but i think we all accord women similar regards and respect as our wives, sisters and mothers.
Re: Bounties Of Jannat (paradise) by Nobody: 5:57pm On Nov 28, 2006
Thanks for the invite belloti.
Infact one thing i found most amazing while in Yola is the preponderance of beautiful but sadly uneducated women.

While God ordained marriage, he did put the woman under the man for him to be her head NOT her ruler but as a loving guide. A man to protect her, serve as a role model, a man meant to be her head just as Christ is the head of the church. Christ being an example of what relationship a man should have with his wife. Christ as God humbled Himself to death on the cross for His church, His gentle loving hands reprimand us as a Father, He is there to whisper sweet words in our ears as a friend, lover and guide.

That is the reference point for the christian husband. Christ does not abuse the church, He does not flog us into submission, He sees us as fellow heirs with Him neither does he equate us to donkeys! So we are obliged to do same to our wives!
Re: Bounties Of Jannat (paradise) by Nobody: 6:14pm On Nov 28, 2006
Yet more of the many glorious bounties of Jannat as espoused by the Afghani Taleban!

15- Ban on women's presence in radio, television or public gatherings of any kind.

16- Ban on women playing sports or entering a sport center or club.

17- Ban on women riding bicycles or motorcycles, even with their mahrams.

18- Ban on women's wearing brightly colored clothes. In Taliban terms, these are "sexually attracting colors."

19- Ban on women gathering for festive occasions such as the Eids, or for any recreational purpose.

20- Ban on women washing clothes next to rivers or in a public place.

21- Modification of all place names including the word "women." For example, "women's garden" has been renamed "spring garden".

22- Ban on women appearing on the balconies of their apartments or houses.

23- Compulsory painting of all windows, so women can not be seen from outside their homes.

24- Ban on male tailors taking women's measurements or sewing women's clothes.

25- Ban on female public baths.

26- Ban on males and females traveling on the same bus. Public buses have now been designated "males only" (or "females only"wink.

27- Ban on flared (wide) pant-legs, even under a burqa.

28- Ban on the photographing or filming of women.

29- Ban on women's pictures printed in newspapers and books, or hung on the walls of houses and shops.


How i wish i were muslim!
Re: Bounties Of Jannat (paradise) by Nobody: 6:30pm On Nov 28, 2006
Thanks to Bush,yesterday they had an afghani story on CNN and the women and young girls looked great!!!.
They had on regular colorful clothes with fanciful veils that even I would wear, with smiles on their faces.
I was so excited to see this because besides my Christian views,my other passion is to help stop ill treatment of women and children in whatever religion including people hiding under the cloak of Christianity.

Women are full humans like men and should be allowed to reach their full God given potential.
Re: Bounties Of Jannat (paradise) by Nobody: 6:31pm On Nov 28, 2006
@ bellotti regarding the wedding are the first or 4th wives?
Re: Bounties Of Jannat (paradise) by olabowale(m): 11:11pm On Nov 28, 2006
@Babyosisi: I just can sit idle about and let you pass Bush as a religious person to us! Bush, who used to drink like a fish up until 1974, and even now the jury is still out. Further he was a member of skull and bone and other hardcore fraternal order in the like of Brekenbreek and others to include Halumenadee, with their secret codes and handshakes.

If this type of individual is your role model of religious personality, then no wonder. Bounty of Jannah is more than human mind can conceive, considering that this is the place of reward as a favor from the mercy of the Almighty God. Wrap yourself up in Berqua, my girl and postrate your face in humility to the Irresistable Lord of the world. You have no help but He, alone!
Re: Bounties Of Jannat (paradise) by Nobody: 11:27pm On Nov 28, 2006
olabowale:

@Babyosisi: I just can sit idle about and let you pass Bush as a religious person to us! Bush, who used to drink like a fish up until 1974, and even now the jury is still out. Further he was a member of skull and bone and other hardcore fraternal order in the like of Brekenbreek and others to include Halumenadee, with their secret codes and handshakes.

If this type of individual is your role model of religious personality, then no wonder. Bounty of Jannah is more than human mind can conceive, considering that this is the place of reward as a favor from the mercy of the Almighty God. Wrap yourself up in Berqua, my girl and postrate your face in humility to the Irresistable Lord of the world. You have no help but He, alone!

1. No one (genuine christian) claims George Walker Bush as a christian role model. There is but one role model, Jesus Christ our Lord!

2. Are those all the sins of George Bush? I'd rather have him any day than that maurading, demon-possessed 12th century quraish bandit!

3. Yes, the bounty of Jannah is MUCH MORE than the human mind can comprehend! How can a saved soul comprehend "eternity" in drunken revelry, sexual debauchery, and godlessness?

4. Wrap urself in burqa, please read that to mean - wrap yourself with the cloak of oppression!

5. When "Lord of the world" is used in the bible (please note - prince of this world), it is used in reference to the devil!
Re: Bounties Of Jannat (paradise) by olabowale(m): 11:35pm On Nov 28, 2006
@Davidylan: If you are aMuslim, for sure, you will see aclear and distinct qualitative improvement in your life! For sure, you will have more shame and you will be bashful. These are part of faith/belief in Islam. And by the way, all that you listed above about women, for the most part, those restrictions are to protect the women from shameless Paraia like you, who probably will catcall every woman in sight. But yet will not want their own women to be demeaned in the same manner.
Do not tell me that if you hear the sound of a woman's shoes, especially when it is loud, you never want to see whose shoes are making that sound. In Islam, men are supposed to seek safely in God from Satan and its trick and them seek forgiveness. You see, men and women are encouraged to be bashful, but we are not restricked to at least look, because in some instances, you can not avoid the first look. The second and more are the temptation and suggestion or trick of Satan. Then you openly lie about what Muslims eat; Vulture and the like?
Davidylan, be real. We muslims can even eat pork and drink alcohol if that is the only way to preserve life from perishing. This is the Mercy of God on the Muslims. Everything has its prevailing conditions and the special circumstances where the rules and laws can be suspended, if only temporary.

Then if Jesus is your role model, act like him; Turn your other cheek and he never get married, so you have no business getting married. He never abrogated Moses Book and the laws in it. So why do you people eat pork and all kind of filthy things. Why do you your men shave your face and even wear earrings, openly imitating women?
Re: Bounties Of Jannat (paradise) by Nobody: 11:57pm On Nov 28, 2006
First permit me to LMAO! grin cheesy grin cheesy grin cheesy
Next allow me to borrow Havila's oft used description of Olabowale, a prime example in tunnel reasoning at its best!
Lastly, let us take your post apart to reveal the paltry substance it hides.

olabowale:

@Davidylan: If you are aMuslim, for sure, you will see aclear and distinct qualitative improvement in your life! For sure, you will have more shame and you will be bashful. These are part of faith/belief in Islam.

Shame and bashfulness as qualities of Islam? shocked Have you ever been to PREDOMINANTLY muslim nations? Is it a coincidence that such nations are the cesspit for the world's worst form of characters? Are these nations bar those who are merely sheikdoms trading in oil not prime examples of poverty, illiteracy, violence, and intolerance? In what way does Islam give an improvement in a life? By indoctrinating me to marry 4 wives, 72 virgins and countless temporary marriages? What of the abused and oppressed women whose lives have indeed been improved by Islam? What of the cave dwelling terrorists? What of children whose first act as a new born is to hurl stones at Isreal and chant "death to America"?

olabowale:

And by the way, all that you listed above about women, for the most part, those restrictions are to protect the women from shameless Paraia like you, who probably will catcall every woman in sight. But yet will not want their own women to be demeaned in the same manner.
Do not tell me that if you hear the sound of a woman's shoes, especially when it is loud, you never want to see whose shoes are making that sound. In Islam, men are supposed to seek safely in God from Satan and its trick and them seek forgiveness. You see, men and women are encouraged to be bashful, but we are not restricked to at least look, because in some instances, you can not avoid the first look. The second and more are the temptation and suggestion or trick of Satan.

1. You mean you need to physically restrict and oppress women to prevent them from undue sexual attention from roving males? That is a clear indication of a mind that is perverse in nature! Dear, i lived in a home with my young aunt, 2 female cousins, countless female friends of the family, they did not have to hide their faces in burqas to prevent me from raping them. When Christ is in you, you become a NEW CREATURE! You no longer live by the flesh and to the flesh!!
Dear Olabi! Grow up! So the sound of a woman's shoes is enough to send you into the throes of orgasm? You indeed need deliverance!

2. With the increase in homosexuality in muslim nations, will men now be required to wear the burqa too?

olabowale:

Then if Jesus is your role model, act like him; Turn your other cheek and he never get married, so you have no business getting married. He never abrogated Moses Book and the laws in it. So why do you people eat pork and all kind of filthy things. Why do you your men shave your face and even wear earrings, openly imitating women?

No wonder the muslim world has turned the world upside down, they were merely following the footsteps of their role model!
So many things in the bible are symbolisms that unbelievers like you will never understand though you pore through the bible for 30000 yrs! Jesus admonishes us to turn the other cheek but at the same time reminds us to be wise as serpents!
So because Christ did not get married (because HE was GOD in human flesh coming to earth NOT to wine and dine with us but with an important message of SALVATION to fulfill!) we also should refuse to get married?
Was it not the same God who said we should be fruitful amd multiply? Did you read his reponse to the disciples while he spoke to the woman at the well of Samaria when HE was asked to eat bread?

On the issue of the laws of Moses, you cannot understand the things of the kingdom, it is best to leave you iin your state of darkness than confuse you further! Christ said, "for i came not to abolish the law BUT TO FULFILL IT!"

Why should we not shave our faces? Are there scriptures in the bible that specifically prohibit shaving of the face? What has shaving ur face got to do with whether you go to heaven or not?

On the issue of ear rings, did those men wearing them tell you they were christians too? Or is ear ring wearing the sole perogative of the christian?

You indeed are confused!
Re: Bounties Of Jannat (paradise) by Aggressa(m): 3:11am On Nov 29, 2006
olabowale:

@Babyosisi: I just can sit idle about and let you pass Bush as a religious person to us! Bush, who used to drink like a fish up until 1974, and even now the jury is still out. Further he was a member of skull and bone and other hardcore fraternal order in the like of Brekenbreek and others to include Halumenadee, with their secret codes and handshakes.

,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,Lord of the world. You have no help but He, alone!

@Olabowale,
How did Babyosisi pass Bush as a 'religious person' to you? By saying "Thanks to Bush,,," what she meant, and rightly so, is that: thanks to Bush for the America-led invasion of Afghanistan after 9/11 that "rooted up and displaced" the abominable Taliban regime, women now have some semblance of recognition and freedom as human being, rather than as possessions under the Taliban regime with all the religious oppression they were subjected to under the Islamic regime. A look at that correct list by Davidylan shows how repressive and oppresive any such regime is to women with little or no political freedom. You can Google 'Taliban' and read but I'm sure you know. Yes Bush used to drink until 1974 (phew!, that's long ago), member of this and that, BUT (thank God for a good "BUT"wink he has given his life to Jesus as his Lord and Saviour at the age of 40yrs, thus "old things have passed away, and all things have become new" for George Bush as a person in Christ whether you, anybody, and I mean any living mortal man, likes it or not.

NB: By the way, 'Lord of the world' refers to Satan, it means master of the world [Various supporting references from the Bible e.g. 2nd Corinthians 4 vs 3-4: "But if our Gosple be hid, it is hid from those who are lost: In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gosple of Christ, who is the image of God should shine unto them." But the true Living God Almighty is the Creator of Heaven and the Earth. We can also describe Him as the awesome God who sits in Heaven and made the Earth his footstool, the I AM THAT I AM, the Father of All mercies and the God of All Comfort, etc.
Re: Bounties Of Jannat (paradise) by Nobody: 3:19am On Nov 29, 2006
great write ups my brothers.
Re: Bounties Of Jannat (paradise) by gbadex1(m): 8:44am On Nov 29, 2006
@ man olabs,

Jesus, did you even read my write-up on Paul in another thread? Like i said there, ur arguments concerning don't hold water!

P. S: can someone please remind me of the thread?
Re: Bounties Of Jannat (paradise) by belloti(m): 10:43am On Nov 29, 2006
Babyosisi, Havila, Davidylan please give us particularly brother olabowale some little bit of respect. We are muslims and you are christians. we dont have to agree on anything but we ve got to appreciate our individual efforts in nairaland especially in educating ourselves on religion and conducts.

Islam respect women and much more than you can ever imagined, but i guess you dont like our approach to it, too bad. Our women like it and we are all comfortable with it. i dont get any appeal from over exposed women and i dont think a lady need to over mingled and rub shoulders to catch my fancy. we have our own way of protecting our women and we dont care how you feel about them. we cant always do things your way, no we have our islamic ways and we strictly abide.
Re: Bounties Of Jannat (paradise) by olabowale(m): 3:21pm On Nov 29, 2006
@Havila: The world means and includes the earth and its planetary system and other galaxies and milky ways and even what the human has not discovered yet, etc, etc. It also include the heavens and all that is beyond it up to where the hereafter begins. I am only concerned with this right now.I am still alive and struggling with things of living, in worship and all human activities. Trying to do what is permissable and avoid all that are not. Now when you limit God Lordship away and apart from all that He created, including Satan itself, then I summit to you that you are not aware of the awesome power of God. So it is very easy to see how on one hand that you will call Satan lord of the world and even have in your religion as if to conclude that Satan struggled against God and I do not know what! Is there any creator other than God the Almighty? Who do you think created Satan or are you going to argue with me that satan was not created? Am listening, Havila.

Now about Bush. An alcoholic is always an alcoholic. Please do not forget that he is still part of the Alluminate and other European based cult and fraternities. Is this how a born again is? What about thou shall not serve God and marmor. If this is how christianity is defined, you people may as well go back to the african spiritualities. At least you will know what you are doing. It will not be like when you thing you are eating real meat and some body has testrized soybean to Tofu and dress it all up for you. In actual fact, he has played you for a fool and yet you do not know even as you eat it and the cooks are laughing in the kitchen.

Finally, stop going to Roman, Corinthian and the like, even acts. Of course, you have to because everything is by'ispired writers', who can even use their one full names. You may consider that to the superiority of preserving Holy Book that is written down even as it is coming out of the mouth of the receiver who it is impressed into his heart. Yet it is memorized not by a few but all and used in all living life activities and it remains in the community, exactly up to today and will be protected exactly the same way for up to the last future generation of human. In this case, the prophetic statement of Jesus applies; 'not even a jot will be changed'.

If I do not response to any of your responses for a while, it is because i am travelling and I will be very busy. The year is ending and there is tremendous activity, alway around this time. I will response whenever I have any chance to do so. In the maintime, I pray that God the Almight, the Creator of all, bless you all and protect your hearts and lead each to the path that is straight and the true way to receive His Mercy.
Re: Bounties Of Jannat (paradise) by Nobody: 4:35pm On Nov 29, 2006
@ Olabowale,

nice treatise on the "lord of the worlds" issue. But it has been said, the most effective weapon of the enemy is to make you think he either does not exist or is not as powerful as he is made out to be! That trick seems to be working!

@ Belloti,

Indeed your women are "comfortable" with the oppression that Islam and sharia has foisted on them, many of them are now seeking refuge in western countries! Remember the the sharia woman that is now a citizen of Italy? She indeed is comfortable!
Re: Bounties Of Jannat (paradise) by Aggressa(m): 5:28pm On Nov 29, 2006
olabowale:

@Havila: The world means and includes the earth and its planetary system and other galaxies and milky ways and even what the human has not discovered yet, etc, etc. It also include the heavens and all that is beyond it up to where the hereafter begins. I am only concerned with this right now.I am still alive and struggling with things of living, in worship and all human activities. Trying to do what is permissable and avoid all that are not. Now when you limit God Lordship away and apart from all that He created, including Satan itself, then I summit to you that you are not aware of the awesome power of God. So it is very easy to see how on one hand that you will call Satan lord of the world and even have in your religion as if to conclude that Satan struggled against God and I do not know what! Is there any creator other than God the Almighty? Who do you think created Satan or are you going to argue with me that satan was not created? Am listening, Havila.

@Olabowale,
The term "world" include earth and 'heaven and all that is beyond it" only in Quran and Islamic understanding; because such understanding is contorted, confounded and confused. The term god/lord of the world is used in reference to satan because he controls the worldy or fleshy systems, the life of those who do not know the true God; therefore if quran refers to allah as lord of the world, It simply confirms what we know already through inspiration of the holy spirit.
Satan was an angel of God, created by God but who rebelled and wanted to be like God, thus he was cast out of the heavens into the world system. Read Isaiah, Deut etc for understanding.

olabowale:

Finally, stop going to Roman, Corinthian and the like, even acts. Of course, you have to because everything is by'ispired writers',

Why should'nt I, the epistles are further teachings that exhort on the life, message and teachings of Jesus Christ as seen in the Gospels. Yes the whole Bible is by inspiration of the Holy Spirit and understanding can only come from such. Somebody like you needs to understand the message and teaching of Jesus which is broken donw and simplifed in the epistles Acts, Romans, Corinthians etc because the doctrine of the Gospels is mainly in parables, hidden wisdom of God for those who have better understanding and maturity in Christ, not just knowing about the birth, crusifixion and ressurection of our Lord. The Gosples are the doctrine of "meat and bone"; while the epistles are the doctrines or teachings of "milk". Now how do you digest "meat and bone" when you still cannot digest milk?

olabowale:

If I do not response to any of your responses for a while, it is because i am travelling and I will be very busy.

Phewwww!!!!!,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, cheesy
Re: Bounties Of Jannat (paradise) by Aggressa(m): 5:41pm On Nov 29, 2006
belloti:

Islam respect women and much more than you can ever imagined, but i guess you don't like our approach to it, too bad. Our women like it and we are all comfortable with it. i don't get any appeal from over exposed women and i don't think a lady need to over mingled and rub shoulders to catch my fancy. we have our own way of protecting our women and we don't care how you feel about them. we can't always do things your way, no we have our islamic ways and we strictly abide.

@Belloti,
Stop dreaming: we dont need to imagine how much Islam respects women, we can "read it" from the quran and we can also "see it" all over. You women have no other choice but to like it because they've been subjugated to 'either like it or love it'. What do you mean by "over mingle and rub shoulders"? you mean you do not have self control? or you cannot stand having a woman be successful and aspire to be all she can be using her God given intellect (oh sorry,,my bad, muhammed said women have half a brain)
You are not protecting women but enslaving them, intimidating them to do your whims and fulfil ony pleasures of men. Whenever you visit London, visit a place called Edgeware Road, there you have mainly Arabs, Lebanese etc and you will see them both men and women enjoying the western liberty guaranteed under the constitution. You can see you muslim women dressing the way they want, not necessarily provocatively depending on what provokes you ( I understand even the knock of a lady's shoes is a stimulus to some people, phew!!) but nobody is raping them or grabbing them, my friend. No wonder they are constantly seeking asylum. The largest single block of illegal immigrants and asylum seekers in Britain are muslims from Iran, both men and women, fleeing the Islamic regime that "respect women and human life the Islamic way." Now tell me how confortable they are with such respect, my friend.
Re: Bounties Of Jannat (paradise) by Nobody: 6:11pm On Nov 29, 2006
and if indeed the women love it,why didn't they remain in burqua after the Taliban was toppled?,why do they wear other colors besides black when they emigrate to the USA and Europe.
Why are there so many fleeing the oppression from the 'loved' sharia countries?
They love it indeed.
Re: Bounties Of Jannat (paradise) by gbadex1(m): 12:46am On Nov 30, 2006
Lol, islam has just shown us the recipe for "opression du omelette du femme avec haricots et eggs and bacons" a la Taliban style. cheesy
Re: Bounties Of Jannat (paradise) by belloti(m): 9:33am On Dec 04, 2006
I agree with you that once in a while you find muslims women adopting the cultures and codes of their host countries. Islamic dress codes only has three emphasis - Not revealing, not tight and not transparent. you are free to wear any colour of any couture but dont expose your vital privacy. if you have problem with that, too bad.

But i can also agree with traces of extremism in enforcing these codes in some Muslim countries, that can be considered too harsh. But liberalism does not encourage flagrant abuse of Islamic codes and conducts. We like our women dressed properly and decently inorder to protect their intergrity and God-given beauty. And i tell you those babes look cool in those hijabs and long gowns.
Re: Bounties Of Jannat (paradise) by Aggressa(m): 3:56pm On Dec 04, 2006
belloti:

(1) Islamic dress codes only has three emphasis - Not revealing, not tight and not transparent. you are free to wear any colour of any couture but don't expose your vital privacy.

(2) But liberalism does not encourage flagrant abuse of Islamic codes and conducts. We like our women dressed properly and decently inorder to protect their intergrity and God-given beauty. And i tell you those babes look cool in those hijabs and long gowns.

@Belloti,
This is quite unfortunate because I will suggest you use terminologies relevant to the 'Islamic ages' (I think you are in 1472 by your calendar, right? and not terminologies of todays ages like like 'host countries', or 'codes and conducts' or 'liberalism' etc.
Read your entry above and see the contradictions: while you have 'dress codes' for your properties called 'women', and you stated how 'you' like your properties dressed properly and decently since they only 'have half a brain' (I did not say that, I am only quoting "somebody", guess who?) and cannot be left to themselves to know what's decent and what is not. Then you said 'those babes look cool in those hijabs and long gowns' even in swelthering heats, by whose opinion do they look good and decent? Let me guess, the 'property owners', Mallam Belloti and the rest of the men. You tell them how they MUST dress, and then applaud you handiwork, how hedonistic.
So you see why you cannot use modern terminologies like 'liberalism' which, simply put, mean 'freedom to reason'. Your 'properties' called 'women' cannot reason, dress properly or decently and need you to reason for them.
Re: Bounties Of Jannat (paradise) by Nobody: 6:55pm On Dec 04, 2006
belloti:

I agree with you that once in a while you find muslims women adopting the cultures and codes of their host countries. Islamic dress codes only has three emphasis - Not revealing, not tight and not transparent. you are free to wear any colour of any couture but don't expose your vital privacy. if you have problem with that, too bad.

But i can also agree with traces of extremism in enforcing these codes in some Muslim countries, that can be considered too harsh. But liberalism does not encourage flagrant abuse of Islamic codes and conducts. We like our women dressed properly and decently inorder to protect their intergrity and God-given beauty. And i tell you those babes look cool in those hijabs and long gowns.

Here is a direct translation of Belloti's post:

I agree with you that once in a while you find muslims women adopting the cultures and codes of countries where they seek assylum. Islamic dress codes only has ONE emphasis - strict control and oppression of the female as a mere sexual tool of the male slave owners. you are "free" within the limits of the "freedom" accorded to you by your slave owner to wear any colour of any couture but don't expose your vital privacy. if you have problem with that, too bad.

But i can also agree with traces of Mohammedan core values in enforcing these codes in some Muslim countries, that can be considered in consonance with 12th century islamic barbarism. But liberalism (while alien to Islamic doctrine) does not encourage flagrant abuse of Islamic codes and conducts. We like our women dressed oppressively and against their will inorder to protect our intergrity and God-given property. And i tell you those babes look cool in those hijabs and long gowns, it does not matter what they think afterall we are the slave owners.
Re: Bounties Of Jannat (paradise) by TayoD(m): 4:34pm On Dec 05, 2006
why do they wear other colors besides black when they emigrate to the USA and Europe.
The colour scheme only goes to show that there must be a suspension of the brain when the matter is their faith. These folks mostly live in arid deserts with temperatures up to high heavens, yet they have to wear black that absorbs and retains more heat than any other colour. Don't tell me these women will not pick other colours if they could choose.
Re: Bounties Of Jannat (paradise) by Nobody: 10:52pm On Dec 05, 2006
TayoD:

The colour scheme only goes to show that there must be a suspension of the brain when the matter is their faith. These folks mostly live in arid deserts with temperatures up to high heavens, yet they have to wear black that absorbs and retains more heat than any other colour. Don't tell me these women will not pick other colours if they could choose.

Also known in medical parlance as "Arid Brain Syndrome" (ABS).
Re: Bounties Of Jannat (paradise) by Nobody: 3:06am On Dec 07, 2006
and why black for pete's sake,why couldn't the men choose baby blue,pink,purple?
Why the color of death?
Re: Bounties Of Jannat (paradise) by belloti(m): 9:55am On Dec 07, 2006
Black is not an official colour, its probably coincidental or for ease of maintenance. Islam always prefer white colour
Re: Bounties Of Jannat (paradise) by Nobody: 5:35pm On Dec 07, 2006
belloti:

Black is not an official colour, its probably coincidental or for ease of maintenance. Islam always prefer white colour

when i see the word "probably", it connotes to me a sign of either confusion or ignorance! How does Islam prefer white color? Is there a verse in the quran that specifically authorises this?

Any idiot on the street can easily tell that the majority of muslim women dress in BLACK hijab!!
Re: Bounties Of Jannat (paradise) by belloti(m): 3:42pm On Dec 08, 2006
That finally nailed the coffin to your arrant ignorance about Islam. The Holy prophet Muhammad (SAW) who is the symbol of islam and the greatest role model ever has MOSTLY worn whites throughout his life and in a hadith has even recommended the wearing of whites. The colour we even bury our deaths are whites, the recommended dress to the masjids are whites.

There is nowhere in Islamic scriptures that black colour is recommended not even as you guys do during mourning periods. So go and learn more about Islam before you come back with your sketchy lies.

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