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Re: Arsenal Fan Thread: For Gunners Only. Yes We Can! by debosky(m): 2:06pm On Aug 03, 2009 |
dayokanu: Ljunberg? He had to go - he was so past his best that his contract at W/Ham got canceled. Let him say what he wants, we were done with him with all due respect! Hleb? The person who was praising AW a few days ago that he made the biggest mistake of his career by leaving Arsenal? Pires? His case was clear - Wenger didn't want him anymore due to age and he felt he had more to offer. No beef with that. Ade? MOFO extraordinaire - any player whose wage gets doubled twice in quick succession and still says the nonsense he does needs his head examined Flamini? He left for money/Italian family connection - his current standing (a patching player) shows the wisdom of that move. Lehmann? The mad German was past it and was always a caustic personality. . . life goes on! In mentioning those cats, you didn't mention Kanu, Campbell, Lauren, Vieira, Henry, Gilberto and others who left the club on good terms and still speak glowingly of the side. |
Re: Arsenal Fan Thread: For Gunners Only. Yes We Can! by Ibime(m): 2:10pm On Aug 03, 2009 |
dayokanu: Our elders wisely informed us that success adds weight to the words of a man. A man should never kick against his benefactor unless he is able to control his own destiny. It is important to note that this interview was dated June 2008, shortly before West Ham dispatched with his services. If Freddie had known of the plot being hatched by Luigi Nani to tear up his contract, he wouldnt have been so hasty to castigate Arsene Wenger. This closet Sodomite called Freddie Ljungberg must now be filled with compunction at the thought that he spoke too soon. As they say, pride goes before a fall. |
Re: Arsenal Fan Thread: For Gunners Only. Yes We Can! by Krayola2(m): 2:21pm On Aug 03, 2009 |
@ debosky. . .i mostly agree with you, but Wenger isn't infallible. Letting Flamini go was a mistake IMO. . . He showed his worth in that season u almost won the league b4 eduardo got crippled. Fabregas and Flamini held ur midfield together. The thing is, while wenger can bring up all these young talent, it is only a matter of time before other clubs come and start dangling money in their faces. No player is going to turn down big $$ because some old guy "developed" him. They go where the money is. It is no point taking chances with these youngsters only to let them go the moment they prove they have been worth the trouble. (pay them what they're worth or lose them) Arsenal is my favorite club in the EPL and it hurts to see those kids get pushed around by 2nd rate teams. You guys had a bunch of unfortunate injuries last season and the season was almost a disaster. Those kids just couldn't do it. Everyone is getting excited about pre-season games, but those aren't do or die. Everyone knows Arsenal can run circles around any team on a good day. The problem is when three points are at stake and the opponent is willing to actually fight, and shove, and kick for them. Kolo has a point. . .the guys that gave Arsenal that rough edge have left, and no replacements have come in that can fill that void. |
Re: Arsenal Fan Thread: For Gunners Only. Yes We Can! by HNIC(m): 2:23pm On Aug 03, 2009 |
Dayo should have watched the Emirates cup where gooners kept singing the Paddy song as if he was right there on the pitch. Players say all sorts when they leave a club. Looks foolish isolating only Arsenal! |
Re: Arsenal Fan Thread: For Gunners Only. Yes We Can! by debosky(m): 2:28pm On Aug 03, 2009 |
Krayola2: Then we might as well sell everyone now because we will NOT be able to pay Man City wages or compete with Madrid wage-wise with their beneficial tax regime. That is the fact. Some players will turn down big $$ and those are the real talents - Gerrard would've earned more at Chelski had he moved but he remained. Even Torres will make far more in Spain if he chooses to go there. Ade is not worth £150k so forgive me if I don't agree with your pay what they're worth creed. Flamini was a 'mistake' but one of those you can't prevent. He was almost sold to B'ham the season before, so there's not much you can expect. He had a good final season but decided to walk off - again, the exact same way he came to Arsenal by walking off from Marseille so I am not surprised.
Kolo spoke about 'leaders' not players with edge - I think those are two very distinct things. |
Re: Arsenal Fan Thread: For Gunners Only. Yes We Can! by codedguy1(m): 2:31pm On Aug 03, 2009 |
debosky: Yes, Clichy got into the PFA of 07/08 but we all know how Arsenal fans moan and groan when his mistakes lead to a goal. Does that make him a bad player, NO! LB, CB, DM, RB they are all expected to do their jobs which is to defend. clichy gaffes are on the LB and they also lead to goals. debosky: Then why did the coach still stick with him? debosky: You cannot assume he will be a failure at Man City based on your assertion that he is brought in as an arrow head with experience. He might excel because he has the quality and experience that he lacked at Arsenal, and the club is ambitious and willing to do anything to see that they win something or atleast become rlevant in the scheme of things a la top 4 in the league. Buying players is no guaranty of winning but it gives some sorta drive and confidence. |
Re: Arsenal Fan Thread: For Gunners Only. Yes We Can! by dayokanu(m): 2:39pm On Aug 03, 2009 |
HNIC, You would do well to tell me a club whose former playes slate as much as they do Arsenal I gave 5 examples from the top of my head. |
Re: Arsenal Fan Thread: For Gunners Only. Yes We Can! by debosky(m): 2:40pm On Aug 03, 2009 |
coded guy: Where did I say Kolo is a bad player? I am simply saying Kolo was a significant deficiency in defence, especially in pressure situations. I did not want him to leave so he obviously has many good qualities.
No doubt, but it's VERY clear that most of our flaws are in CENTRAL defence. No one has said we need a new LB or RB, but better CBs!!
Previous quality, lack of ample replacements, loyalty, hope for improvement. . . .who knows? It is also clearly obvious that after 'trialling' him for six months since he asked to leave in January that Wenger believes he is past his best and hence should be sold.
Is that Kolo's quality or the quality of players around him? Is Dunne, Onuoha or Richards better than Gallas? What is the so called quality around him? Is Bridge better than Clichy or Sagna? Quality indeed - let them be ambitious and I wish him well, except against us.
We have examples of that at the club and we are still in the business of buying players. People are so short sighted that they forget this same Wenger bought Ade & Walcott in one January, bought Diarra and Gallas on deadline day once and numerous other deals. This same Wenger is accused of not buying based on a SINGLE transfer window. Wenger will buy players when he deems fit, let Kolo worry about his game with City and leave us alone. |
Re: Arsenal Fan Thread: For Gunners Only. Yes We Can! by tkb417(m): 2:46pm On Aug 03, 2009 |
For the love of Gawd Debo. I dont believe you are the one making these statements about Kolo, but will exenorate TH14 by saying he didn't know how to be a good captain.when you leave Arsenal and talk, you become a Judas almost all the players leaving are Judases If Debosky happened to be a player in Arsenal, i wonder what his departing remarks will be " im so grateful to Arsene for making my stay here as barren as it could, more. . .more grease to ur elbow" these gaynners need some medical attention! Debosky is almost going mental with all these jagbajantis i tire for the guy |
Re: Arsenal Fan Thread: For Gunners Only. Yes We Can! by debosky(m): 3:00pm On Aug 03, 2009 |
Sharrap TK. Kolo may still be playing for Asec Mimosa if we didn't rescue him so how can Kolo complain of being barren? Gilberto, Vieira, Henry, Kanu, Lauren and other great ex-players are not complaining. It is simply fashionable to bash Arsenal in the press so there's no issue there - we expect it but we will not tolerate falsehood. |
Re: Arsenal Fan Thread: For Gunners Only. Yes We Can! by Cougar: 3:09pm On Aug 03, 2009 |
debosky: this group of players did not go five seasons without a league title while at arsenal. they had nothing to complain about unlike kolo toure. |
Re: Arsenal Fan Thread: For Gunners Only. Yes We Can! by debosky(m): 3:14pm On Aug 03, 2009 |
Bertie went 4 seasons didn't he? He even encouraged players to sign for Arsenal. Kolo is talking bollocks - that remains a fact. |
Re: Arsenal Fan Thread: For Gunners Only. Yes We Can! by tkb417(m): 3:16pm On Aug 03, 2009 |
debosky:ok sir i don hear you |
Re: Arsenal Fan Thread: For Gunners Only. Yes We Can! by debosky(m): 3:17pm On Aug 03, 2009 |
Good boy! |
Re: Arsenal Fan Thread: For Gunners Only. Yes We Can! by Krayola2(m): 3:47pm On Aug 03, 2009 |
debosky: relax. . .u don't have to draw ridiculous parallels to make ur point. Even Barca can't compete with Madrid and Man City's recent splurge. . My point was that u can't compete for honors with a bunch of underpaid kids. No one is denying the talent, but it takes more than that to bag trophies. debosky: Gerrard is an exception to the rule, and u can't make that the standard. It's like asking Rooney to leave Man U for Chelsea, or Messi to leave Barca for Espanyol. There are a few players that will turn down money. . .and those that do it do it because they already have it really good where they are. . .not because they don't care about the money. At some point a raise doesn't really mean much. . .but players that are not at that level yet run at the money. I don't blame Adebayor, or Flamini or any of those guys. All of us be boys and we know wetin dey . .Its all about the money. . .no one owes any club jack shit!! I'm sure Torres gets paid really well, if not he'd be looking for a new club. debosky: aight. . .u`re right. . . But I was assuming he meant leaders that can take one for the team. . u know, push people around, get up in people's faces and make the team rally around him. kinda like Vieira used to do. Fabregas is one of the ones left that I see with that kind of character (when he was injured the team looked like a joke). .the rest mostly get pushed around. Think of characters like Vieira, Ashley Cole, and tell me guys like that wouldn`t make a world of difference. If Wenger was going to let those guys go, he should have thought, not just of talent, but getting players that bring those other qualities to the team. Its nothing against Arsenal. . .I just think Wenger got some things wrong. I think he`s legendary but that does not make him flawless |
Re: Arsenal Fan Thread: For Gunners Only. Yes We Can! by call4shola(m): 3:57pm On Aug 03, 2009 |
I feel every one that has gunners blood in his/her system should thank Baba God Ade left Arsenal, did any one see the goaal he missed in mancity's shirt over the weekend? Senderous would convert that chance without stress, as for kolo, he has done his part, he should focus on his new team, gunners till the end of time, and to all the beef folks, notin do u, |
Re: Arsenal Fan Thread: For Gunners Only. Yes We Can! by HNIC(m): 4:08pm On Aug 03, 2009 |
Krayola2:@Krayola2 Did u say, the team looked like a joke when Fab4 was injured May I humbly let you know that we didn't lose a single match when Fab4 was injured! Nasri ably deputised Krayola2:Did u just mention Cashley in the same line as Paddy While Paddy was never replaced, Please,Gael'who cares about cashley' Clichy has been a great left back for us and we are happy that Arrow left us See,i can't blame y'all for thinking you all know the problems of Arsenal. While a lot of footie analyst slagged Kolo Toure as a useless defender and called Adebayor a 'miss10 score 1' striker when they were with us, This same set of people are now describing them as the 'cornerstone' of Arsenal. Like we won what with them around last season. Like I always say, until we win silverware, even the likes of Phil Brown would continue to have a go at Arsenal! |
Re: Arsenal Fan Thread: For Gunners Only. Yes We Can! by Krayola2(m): 4:14pm On Aug 03, 2009 |
@ HNIC. haha, This is Arsenal we're talking about, right? "U didn't lose a single match" is a colorful way of saying "u didn't win as many mtches as u needed to". Arsenal racking up draws is nothing to be excited about. U used to win trophies. . . now u're happy u didn't lose games? And I mentioned Ashley Coles character. Clichy is excellent and I even want Barca to come and kidnap him. It isn't about talent. . .No one denies that Arsenal has tonnes of talent. I'm saying thats not all it takes |
Re: Arsenal Fan Thread: For Gunners Only. Yes We Can! by dayokanu(m): 4:17pm On Aug 03, 2009 |
Arsenal lost abot 5 games while Fabregas was fit last season to Hull, Stoke, Villa, when he was injured, the losing streak stopped.Arsenal practically went out of contention with fabregas on the field. |
Re: Arsenal Fan Thread: For Gunners Only. Yes We Can! by tkb417(m): 4:20pm On Aug 03, 2009 |
See,i can't blame y'all for thinking you all know the problems of Arsenal.u seem not to know the problems of Arsenal urself. . . nobody is saying u shldnt sell sell everything if u like, but who are the people coming in? eversince the selling spree began, who and who have you been buying? whats ur scorecard since u started selling? dont u guys get tired of supporting absolute does supporting Arsenal mean u shld close ur eyes to the ills affecting the club? u dont wanna tell us all is well with ur club. . . and if all is not well, then tell us wht you think is wrong cos u only see the disparaging remarks, u dont see the point we try to make. tell us why u have been abysymal in 5 years just 3 points will do |
Re: Arsenal Fan Thread: For Gunners Only. Yes We Can! by debosky(m): 4:25pm On Aug 03, 2009 |
Krayola2:I don't know what you mean by the above comment, but Arsenal have always drawn more games than the average top 4 team - even in the invincibles season, we drew 12 games just like this season. They key for us is not losing. Krayola2: Who are the 'underpaid' kids at Arsenal? Again, if it's all about money like you say, then we can't keep any player cos there are bigger wages out there. Again, what is this thing about being 'well paid'? Who is not well paid at Arsenal? Was it Ade whose wage doubled twice in two seasons? Flamini claims he didn't leave for money, but it seems he did. The club has to make wise decisions in the end - if you give Flamini ridiculous money for one season, what do you do for Cesc and others? When does it become unsustainable?
All this talk is debatable and is a matter of perception. Who 'rallies' Utd? Who 'rallies' Barca?
Undoubtedly he does - anyone who has read more than a few of my posts can see the catalogue of issues I've pointed out. Heck I even made a thread about my grouse with Wenger in 07 so I am very much aware of his flaws. |
Re: Arsenal Fan Thread: For Gunners Only. Yes We Can! by codedguy1(m): 4:28pm On Aug 03, 2009 |
tkb417: You are wicked dayokanu: DDK looks at it from another Fabregas angle. Interesting. @ Krayola Debosky will always draw up ridiculous assetions to justify AW's flaws. |
Re: Arsenal Fan Thread: For Gunners Only. Yes We Can! by debosky(m): 4:34pm On Aug 03, 2009 |
coded guy: What flaws have I justified? Kolo was as much a part of the problem as anyone - that is a fact. RVP is not reluctant to say we need to strengthen, but it's only after a pay packet doubling that Kolo talks? Am I supposed to take that drivel seriously?? The same Kolo less than 2 months ago saying we can win by keeping the side together and had already decided to leave when making those comments? Y'all will believe anything said against Arsenal as true - heck, Arsene was the one who injected Kolo with malaria to destroy his form - that is Wenger's greatest flaw. |
Re: Arsenal Fan Thread: For Gunners Only. Yes We Can! by dayokanu(m): 4:39pm On Aug 03, 2009 |
Dont you know Fabregas has a losing streak in him? Since he got to Assanal they havent won a league. When he started against USA in confed cup Spain lost, In the Euro 2008 finals that he started the coach had to haul him off. fabregas was the first spainard to be substituted on the night!!! Clever coaches know Fabregas is a weak link |
Re: Arsenal Fan Thread: For Gunners Only. Yes We Can! by codedguy1(m): 4:47pm On Aug 03, 2009 |
debosky: RVP knows he cant be fit for whole season, so he is justified in not being reluctant in asking to strenghten the team Where did AW inject Kolo with malaria, his butt i guess, hope he didn't inject something else that has made the African accelerate his leaving. |
Re: Arsenal Fan Thread: For Gunners Only. Yes We Can! by tayoccu(m): 4:49pm On Aug 03, 2009 |
dayokanu: and Frankenstein riberry is a world class player abi |
Re: Arsenal Fan Thread: For Gunners Only. Yes We Can! by Krayola2(m): 4:49pm On Aug 03, 2009 |
@ dayokanu, please tell me u are not one of those people that puts the performance of team on one player's head. My point about Arsenal without Fabregas was more about their character. U know, how they stand up to refs, their attitude, demeanor on the pitch. Fabregas is one of the few left that seem s to have that steel to his character. Arsenal doesn't have a talent problem. it is an attitude thing. They need one or 2 big strong bullies on the team. Yaya would have been great but that one na story. @ debosky. . . I don't know how much Arsenal players get paid to be honest, but I know that besides Fabregas, Arsenal players generally bounce the moment a good offer comes their way. it didn't just start this season. It has been the general trend for a while now. |
Re: Arsenal Fan Thread: For Gunners Only. Yes We Can! by debosky(m): 5:05pm On Aug 03, 2009 |
Krayola2: This is false – Vieira stayed for 9 years, do you think he didn’t get ‘bigger’ deals in that time? What about Lehmann? Henry? Pires? Ljunberg? What happens is very simple – Arsene will sell a player when he feels he is able to replace that player and strengthen his side in other areas with the proceeds. He has done that numerous times with Anelka, Overmars, Petit, Silvinho and others. Players have always left Arsenal and Arsene has rebuilt and won trophies – people can question what has happened in the past 4 seasons and the questions are legitimate, but any analysis ignoring the 7 seasons prior to this barren spell will be incomplete. It’s too easy to claim Arsenal doesn’t pay good wages but this doesn’t stand up to scrutiny, especially when an analysis done 2 years ago showed our wage bill was comparable to Utd’s. |
Re: Arsenal Fan Thread: For Gunners Only. Yes We Can! by dayokanu(m): 5:18pm On Aug 03, 2009 |
Krayola, Its not the first time we would see a single player carrying a whole team so its not strange |
Re: Arsenal Fan Thread: For Gunners Only. Yes We Can! by HNIC(m): 5:20pm On Aug 03, 2009 |
@Tkb417 When we went on an unbeaten run, we sold too in that season, didn't we What I am saying is that the man hasn't said he isn't buying All this would be assessed on August 31. We would see whether AW would buy to replace our 'superstars', Kolo and Ade The true picture of the team will be known and I won't fail to criticise the man, if I feel we are not good enough to compete @Krayola2 Don't become like dem scummies, twisting the original arguement You described the Arsenal team as a joke in Cesc's absence and I pointed out to you that we did not lose a single match in his absence. I didn't say we won anything, we didn't lose any match With your vivid description of the team being a joke in his absence One would have thought we lost game after game when he wasn't there |
Re: Arsenal Fan Thread: For Gunners Only. Yes We Can! by dayokanu(m): 5:28pm On Aug 03, 2009 |
HNIC, On the contrary most of the losses were with Fabregas on the field. Fab threw away Assanals league chances last season like he has done in the last 5 seasons |
Re: Arsenal Fan Thread: For Gunners Only. Yes We Can! by MrCrackles(m): 5:29pm On Aug 03, 2009 |
As usual. . . The usual dumb crew on the GUNNERS thread trying to remain relevant by vomiting 'Roaches and Bedbugs. . . ! Pssf, we cool and we aight so it's all good! |
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