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Re: Des Pensees by PastorAIO: 11:17pm On Jan 31, 2018 |
Re: Des Pensees by MuttleyLaff: 7:03am On Feb 01, 2018 |
PastorAIO:[img]https://s1/images/duckEyed.jpg[/img] God made Him who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf, so that in Him we might become the righteousness of God. - 2 Corinthians 5:21 God had Christ, who was sinless, take our sin so that we might receive God's approval through him - 2 Corinthians 5:21 Jesus, in Mark 2: 17, implied, He has not come for, whoever is just in the eyes of God (i.e. righteous) but has come for, whoever has loss from falling short of what God approves (i.e. sinner) PastorAIO:Religion that God our Father accepts as pure and faultless is this : to look after orphans and widows in their distress and to keep oneself from being polluted by the world Are you familiar with the above quote? Whatever the front, the truth and fact is, what is fronted as pure and faultless religion in today's world, isnt it Religion that is pure and faultless, is not about how regular one prays, is not about regular congregated attendance, Religion that is pure and faultless, is not about wearing hijab or burka Before what the world has become today, a priest & levite (i.e. "church" worker) had been known to slip up on what pure and faultless religion is Anything less than practising pure and faultless religion that God approves of, is not true and so thereby is false religion Emmanystone: PastorAIO: Emmanystone: PastorAIO:Inarguably, the word "religion" has changed its methods and meaning from what it originally was connected with PastorAIO:Religion that is pure and faultless, is about not how regular one prays, is not about regular congregated attendance, Religion that is pure and faultless, is not about wearing hijab or burka Jesus mentioned a priest & levite (i.e. "church" worker) known to have slip up on what pure and faultless religion is PastorAIO:People often will seek and hang out with people of similar or same level and like mind, just as water seeks its own level |
Re: Des Pensees by MuttleyLaff: 7:41am On Feb 01, 2018 |
PastorAIO:I remember watching this last year and thinking to myself if the "ministry" had a constitution, "Apostle" David Taylor, wouldnt during the grilling, profusely be relying on Michelle I stand to be corrected, I think Winners Chapel has a constitution, which periodically is reviewed, I think every 100 years or so, I once heard Oyedepo say |
Re: Des Pensees by PastorAIO: 2:05pm On Feb 02, 2018 |
Emmanystone: Just because I do not believe what you are worshipping is God but rather I know it as a vile demon from the pits of Hell, so you have to resort to making strawman attacks at me. Since you have no need for religion but are rather having a love relationship bride and groom, boyfriend and girlfriend, John and Ashawo, then why oh why are you in the Relgion section. Your SatNav nor dey work, how you take miss road like this. Please re-direct yourself to the Romance section and discuss with them just how your husband buggers you. I came to discuss religion. I even thought you were serious at first when you were asking question not knowing that you were on a demonic charge. At least your question gave me the opportunity to make a few expositions. However, Abeg carry your Ori atosi go. |
Re: Des Pensees by PastorAIO: 2:45pm On Feb 10, 2018 |
The ruling ideas of each age have ever been the ideas of its ruling class. The worker of the world has nothing to lose, but their chains. - Karl Marx Marx seems to think that Rulers are first established and then they come up with the Ideas that prevail over a society and are imposed on the lower classes. It actually works the other way around. A social group is formed from it's inception around an Ideal. That social group can then can then go on to impose itself on the wider society, even rising to preeminence. I am more inclined to accept the model of history presented by ibn Khaldun, than that presented by Karl Marx. Khaldun describes a cycle of civilisation in his book the Muqaddimah. In the Muqaddimah Khaldun posits 2 extremes in Society, The Town which is the seat of culture and arts, and crafts and where the Rulers are based, and The Nomads on the periphery who are hardy and savage and uncultured, yet have a strong sense of Social cohesion and identity which he calls Asabiyyah. This Asabiyyah, he says, is the important element in social ascendancy. The cohesion and coordination it gives a group gives it an advantage over it’s competition. As a result of this the Nomads can invade the Town and take over control, establishing a new dynasty. At first the new rulers flourish but over time they too will become corrupted by the luxuries of the town and thereby lose their ethics and ultimately decay until they are usurped themselves by a new group of Nomads. My viewpoint involves an adaptation of Khaldun’s cycle. What gives humans their competitive advantage is indeed the ability to conspire together in social groups. These social groups are formed of like-minded individuals who have shared ideals. These Shared Ideals are what make the member biased in favour of each other and acts as a cohesive glue for the social group. The most successful social groups are the ones that can pool a vast and diverse range of resources, skills,knowledge and other means. But what actually creates the group in the first place, what causes the individuals involved to cohere into a single group, is An Idea. This Idea determines the group’s Ethics, and all the diverse members of the group with their diverse range of skills and knowledge come together to serve the Ethos of the group. The groups with the greatest cohesion and with the pertinent skills in their skill pool will rise to dominate the wider society. The appeal of the Ideal will determine how easy it will be to expand the size and diversity of the group through proselytism. While Khaldun puts the demise of a dynasty down to their attraction for luxuries when they get accustomed to the town life, I think what happens next is a lot more subtle. Since Asabiyyah and the advantages it brings for a group are essential to it’s rise to prominence and power, and Asabiyyah is caused by shared ideals, it seems obvious to me that the fall of a dynasty is also due to a weakening of the Asabiyyah which in turn is caused by a loss of adherence to the original Ideal. In other words, after a period of sincerity and zeal for the Ideal there will follow a period of Cynicism in which the original ideals may still be publicly given lip service to but are no longer sincerely pursued. Every group can accommodate a certain number of cynics and their ulterior motives requiring the rest of the group to bear the weight of responsibilities. But as the number of Cynics rise there will be a critical point where the hardworking zealots will no longer be able to support them. This is the crisis point in any dynasty or regime. By this point a new group (with new ideals) might have conquered the dynasty, or the dynasty itself just crumbles from within. But what allows the Cynicism to infiltrate in the first place? This is brought about by the fact that a group’s identity and character can be expressed in a variety of ways and groups find various means to articulate their ethos and values, such as through jargons and idioms, through clothing fashions, and a host of other cultural attributes. These external expressions of a group’s ethos are at first, in the early stages, quite varied and volatile as the group seems to be seeking and experimenting with various means of expressing it’s inner character. With time the modes of expression will become more settled. Perhaps members of the group will be known to speak in a certain manner, to dress in a certain manner, and act in a certain manner. Once these expressions become fixed and well-known the group becomes exposed to mimicry. Once anyone who has learned how to mimic the expressions of a group can be taken as a bona fide member of the group then they can join in whether they believe in the groups ideals or not. These patterns are perhaps seen clearest in the rise and fall of sub-cultures within a wider society. There is an early period of experimentation with various means of expression and then with time it seems to fall into a caricature of itself with lots of imitators and pretenders but somehow without the original inner ethos. Khaldun blames the attraction to luxuries as the factor that causes a dynasty to fall apart, but I think that the attraction to Luxuries is just a symptom of the decay. It is an attempt to compensate for the loss of true self belief. 3 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Des Pensees by PastorAIO: 3:06pm On Feb 10, 2018 |
Money There is something that we use to represent Value in most human societies. This is Money. While Money has almost no inherent value in and of itself yet it is accorded value by social agreement. The things that we really value are Food, Shelter, Status, Sex, Time, Labour etc etc etc... However we can all agree to represent 3 hours of human labour with £100 of money. We can agree to represent the value of a delicious meal at a restaurant with £50. etc etc.... However there is a problem with Money as with all representations, there is also the danger that far from accurately representing value, it can actually distort value. Money allows for the distortion and misrepresentation and eventual demise of our Value system, whatever it may be for each of us. A man works hard and adds value to his society and commensurate to that he makes a lot of Money. Another man steals the same amount of money and adds no value to his society. Are they to be ranked the same? Do both men have the same value to society? What about the man that sells Crack cocaine in his community? He is involved in an activity that actually destroys this community, that destroys value. Yet the monetary rewards for such a destruction of Value are immense. Has Money not totally subverted the Values of that community? It is very dangerous to hold money in any regard without thinking about what is real in terms of actual Values that we and our communities deem as Good. Just wanting to make money without any idea of how you want to create Value is a Toxicity to any community you are a part of. 7 Likes 5 Shares |
Re: Des Pensees by PastorAIO: 3:26pm On Feb 10, 2018 |
The first time the term 'Common Sense' was used was by a guy called Thomas Paine. He didn't mean it as the basic intelligence that all humans should have, as it is now used colloquially. The original meaning of the term was a Common opinion, a oneness of mind, a shared viewpoint. In those days the colonists in America were thinking of breaking away from the british Empire. However people didn't know how they could govern themselves without a king. The idea was unheard of in western politics in those days. It was Thomas Paine who then wrote this influential booklet called Common Sense in which he argued that All that a people needed to Cohere and self govern themselves is a Common Sense. A King wasn't necessary to give a people their identity. A Common Sense is all that was required. It is that Common Sense that binds people together, it gives what Ibn Khaldun called Asabiyyah. That Common Sense is also what I have called a Shared Moral Code. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_Sense_(pamphlet) 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Des Pensees by PastorAIO: 11:42am On Feb 12, 2018 |
The Muqaddimah, also known as the Muqaddimah of Ibn Khaldun (Arabic: مقدّمة ابن خلدون) or Ibn Khaldun's Prolegomena (Ancient Greek: Προλεγόμενα), is a book written by the Arab historian Ibn Khaldun in 1377 which records an early view of universal history. Some modern thinkers view it as the first work dealing with the philosophy of history[1] or the social sciences[2] of sociology,[1][3][4][5] demography,[3] historiography,[4][6] cultural history,[7][8] social Darwinism,[9] ecology,[10][11] Darwinism[12] and economics. Ibn Khaldun wrote the work in 1377 as the introduction chapter and the first book of his planned work of world history, the Kitābu l-ʻibar ("Book of Lessons"; full title: Kitābu l-ʻibari wa Dīwāni l-Mubtada' wal-Ḥabar fī ayāmi l-ʻarab wal-ʿajam wal-barbar, waman ʻĀsarahum min Dhawī sh-Shalṭāni l-Akbār, i.e.: "Book of Lessons, Record of Beginnings and Events in the history of the Arabs and Foreigners and Berbers and their Powerful Contemporaries" ![]() The concept of "ʿasabiyyah" (Arabic: "tribalism, clanism, communitarism", or in a modern context, "nationalism" ![]() https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muqaddimah |
Re: Des Pensees by PastorAIO: 11:59am On Feb 12, 2018 |
Re: Des Pensees by PastorAIO: 11:59am On Feb 12, 2018 |
Re: Des Pensees by PastorAIO: 2:36pm On Feb 16, 2018 |
Till next next tomorrow this heist go still dey work. It is an old classic, dating back thousands of years. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/stories-42878021 One day in August 1995 a man called Foutanga Babani Sissoko walked into the head office of the Dubai Islamic Bank and asked for a loan to buy a car. The manager agreed, and Sissoko invited him home for dinner. It was the prelude, writes the BBC's Brigitte Scheffer, to one of the most audacious confidence tricks of all time. |
Re: Des Pensees by PastorAIO: 1:10pm On Feb 19, 2018 |
How Gods And Demons And Doctrines Are Invented Following on from a previous thread where a discussion with Emmanystone yielded nothing for her failure to even respond to one single point I raised, I felt it important to make an exposition of how Christians just make up doctrines on the go. The thread I'm referring to is this one: https://www.nairaland.com/4331632/why-many-atheists-nairaland-forum/15#65005430 There a popular lie was espoused that Isaiah 14 speaks of Satan and his fall. This lie is so common that it is quite surprising how blatantly false it is, and then you realise the power of illusion, how someone could stare directly in the face of a fact and yet see something different. For someone that was so concerned with 'modus operandi' of God's agents to have missed the fact that when a prophecy is given it is often stated explicitly who the prophecy is addressed to. Isaiah 13 starts a prophecy and explicitly tells us that it is directed at the King of Babylon. The Judgment of Babylon 1[b]The oracle concerning Babylon[/b] which Isaiah the son of Amoz saw. 2On a bare hill raise a signal; cry aloud to them; 19And Babylon, the glory of kingdoms, the splendor and pomp of the Chaldeans, will be like Sodom and Gomorrah when God overthrew them. The following chapter 14 continues in the same vein. 3When the Lord has given you rest from your pain and turmoil and the hard service with which you were made to serve, 4[b]you will take up this taunt against the king of Babylon: [/b] 11Your pomp is brought down to Sheol, the sound of your harps; maggots are laid as a bed beneath you, and worms are your covers. 12“How you are fallen from heaven, O Day Star, son of Dawn! How you are cut down to the ground, you who laid the nations low! 13You said in your heart, ‘I will ascend to heaven; above the stars of God I will set my throne on high; I will sit on the mount of assembly in the far reaches of the north;c 14I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will make myself like the Most High.’ 15But you are brought down to Sheol, to the far reaches of the pit. 16Those who see you will stare at you and ponder over you: ‘Is this the man who made the earth tremble, who shook kingdoms, 17who made the world like a desert and overthrew its cities, who did not let his prisoners go home?’ 18All the kings of the nations lie in glory, each in his own tomb;d 19but you are cast out, away from your grave, like a loathed branch, clothed with the slain, those pierced by the sword, who go down to the stones of the pit, like a dead body trampled underfoot. 20You will not be joined with them in burial, because you have destroyed your land, you have slain your people. It is so blatantly obvious that this is talking about an empire. The Babylonian empire. They are the ones who 'laid other nations low'. it is compared to other kingdoms. There is no way that 99.9% of the passage can even be vaguely said to refer to a spiritual being, whether Satan or anyone else. The reference to Lucifer (Venus) is to say that Babylon was like the brightest star in the constellation of Kingdoms and yet like Lucifer (Venus) it is brought down (occultation). But those two lines are all that 'religious creatives' need. All of a sudden we have a whole doctrine of Lucifer being Satan and rising to Challenge God but being brought down. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Des Pensees by hopefulLandlord: 1:30pm On Feb 19, 2018 |
PastorAIO: I read everything |
Re: Des Pensees by PastorAIO: 1:56pm On Feb 19, 2018 |
hopefulLandlord: The story sweet, nor be small. |
Re: Des Pensees by hopefulLandlord: 2:45pm On Feb 19, 2018 |
PastorAIO: I think I've heard an except of the story used in a cracked . com article but it was alleged that the almost quarter of a billion dollars was actually lost to a Nigerian, I'll search for the article as it might be different persons involved Edit: Found it bro, http://www.cracked.com/article_18451_the-5-most-half-assed-scams-that-were-shockingly-successful.html there are similarities yet striking differences, dunno if this is the true one or the other but I googled the airline the scammer in your own link created and many names popped up Peruse the first entry in my link and tell me what you think |
Re: Des Pensees by PastorAIO: 3:32pm On Feb 19, 2018 |
The scam is such an ancient classic that I don't disbelief it. Both stories could be separate and both true. What about the story of the guy who sold the Eiffel tower to another business man, and the guy 'bought' it? I think that this all proves the point that even very clever and intellectually accomplished people have emotions and these emotions can be played on to make them do things that are quite irrational. hopefulLandlord: |
Re: Des Pensees by hopefulLandlord: 4:12pm On Feb 19, 2018 |
PastorAIO: coincidentally the story is on front-page |
Re: Des Pensees by PastorAIO: 6:16pm On Feb 20, 2018 |
hopefulLandlord: Please can you post the link here. I want to see how people react to the story. |
Re: Des Pensees by hopefulLandlord: 6:21pm On Feb 20, 2018 |
PastorAIO: https://www.nairaland.com/4356180/foutanga-babani-sissoko-got-242m 1 Like |
Re: Des Pensees by PastorAIO: 4:54pm On Mar 08, 2018 |
You touch on a very important spiritual issue but then you proceed to treat it in a manner that does not get to the point of why Christians should be wary of money. No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. You cannot serve God and mammon. matt 6:24 This is the crux of the matter. Loving one means despising the other, there is no middle ground. What exactly is money? Your definition while being correct in many ways does not get down to the crux of what money is. Money is a representation of Value. Money is not valuable in it's own right, but it represents something of Value. Money/cash is just a piece of paper. What has real value? Warmth has value. A Roof over your head has value. A full stomach has value, ie food on the table. Individually we each have various things that are of personal value to us. A book that my best friend gave me can have a value to me that is way higher than the price of the book in the bookstore. It is value that we therefore have to think about. But not just value but The Greatest Value. The greatest value is the Ideal. When someone acheives their Ideals then there is nothing else that they want again. Some people call it the highest good. It is worth sacrificing everything for it. "Again, the Kingdom of Heaven is like a treasure hidden in the field, which a man found, and hid. In his joy, he goes and sells all that he has, and buys that field." — Matthew 13:44 Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a merchant man, seeking goodly pearls: Who, when he had found one pearl of great price, went and sold all that he had, and bought it. — Matthew 13:45-46, King James Version Such is the Kingdom of God. But what is Money in relation to this? Money is a means of representing Value but it is not Value itself. However what we must be aware of, and on our guard against, is the fact that Money also Distorts Value. A warm jacket protects you from the cold. In the shop it might be worth 100 pounds. However 100 pounds in your pocket cannot protect you from the cold. It is not exactly equivalent to a warm jacket. yet for the purpose of commerce it can be used to represent the value of a warm jacket. In christianity we have an Ideal. In other words we have something that we regard as having the highest value possible. It is called the Pearl of great value. Jesus says that when we find this pearl it is worth selling everything that we have for it. That makes it the highest value of anything in the world. At this level we should be very careful of the distorting effects of money. Many people get their sense of worth from how much money they make in a month. However they are unable to articulate their worth in terms outside of money terms. A doctor should be able to articulate his worth according to how many lives he saves, not how much money he makes doing it. A farmer should be able to articulate how good a farmer he is from how many mouths he can feed not from how much money he makes. It you judge value in purely monetary terms then you can easily consider yourself as creating more value when you are actually creating less. This is the great evil of the Profit motive. when someone judges his achievement in terms of 'how much profit did I make today' rather than 'how many mouths did i feed, or how many lives did I save, or how much actually positive difference did I make' then there is plenty of scope of making money without actually creating any value. When you realise how easy it is to make profit without actually creating Value then you realise that as a christian your objectives should be articulated in terms of value creation and not monetary profits. The pursuit of Monetary Profits is not compatible with the Love of God. You cannot love God and Mammon at the same time, but the love of God is necessarily the despising of Mammon, and vice versa. Everybody needs to meditate within himself and come to true knowledge of what his Ideals are and to pursue those Ideals without articulating it in monetary terms. If you want to build houses to shelter people then let that be your focus, If you want to save human lives then let that be your focus, If you want to feed people then let that be your focus. Don't ever let the Profit Motive be your focus cos therein lies the road to what is at best mediocrity and at worst perdition. 1 Like |
Re: Des Pensees by Ubenedictus(m): 11:37pm On Mar 08, 2018 |
I may be wrong but I see aio and emmany and mutty speak of religion in its purest idealistic form and anathemize anything that fall under and below and I am almost tempted to ask if any of you guys live out the religion you profess... in my personal experience and in the experience of those around me it isn't perfect, we fall under often, in fact Catholics make a point of describing Christian life as the personal workspace of the HOLY spirit who constantly re-converts us, remake us and remold us.... in fact the awareness that I am living in Grace isn't the most interesting thing in my Christian life, it is instead that act of falling down on my kneels as God exposes parts of my life and attitudes, behavior and thoughts I have falsely built and leads me to a new path....that is for me one of the best effects of grace. living below what is perfect has not made me a lesser Christian, it has led me forward it is part of what is genuinely Christian, the Christian is not a perfect product, in my experience he is God's work in progress. I don't agree with you guys that a Christian doesn't steal, cheat, fornicate or commit sin, cos he does, his benefit is simply the remaking, renewing and converting power of the HOLY spirit. I have never seen the Christian Church as a gathering of the perfect, that is Calvinist, for me it is a hospital for sinners, constantly healing and been healed.... I don't agree with this idea of perfection you guys seem to advocate. |
Re: Des Pensees by PastorAIO: 12:54am On Mar 09, 2018 |
This is a curious set that you have. What binds me, emmany and mutty into one set? Ubenedictus: |
Re: Des Pensees by Ubenedictus(m): 12:38am On Mar 14, 2018 |
PastorAIO:your love for perfection without room for flaws |
Re: Des Pensees by PastorAIO: 11:57am On Mar 14, 2018 |
Ubenedictus: Flaws are flaws. Deliberate obscurantism on the other hand.... Flaws would be allowed in the sphere of humans unless the humAn in question claims to be incapable of human error. Flaws should not be expected of a divine being. Talking of flaws in Christianity now I wonder if you consider the bible capable of flaws? |
Re: Des Pensees by PastorAIO: 12:00pm On Mar 14, 2018 |
Benedictus, I believe you'll find that I've always maintained that the bible is full of flaws. However when a bunch of people claim perfection for themselves and for the bible then I have a right to hold them up against their standard of perfection and make comparison. |
Re: Des Pensees by PastorAIO: 3:35pm On Mar 14, 2018 |
Ubenedictus: PastorAIO: |
Re: Des Pensees by Ubenedictus(m): 7:56am On Mar 15, 2018 |
PastorAIO:OK, I'll take this, maybe I was too quick to make conclusions, I apologise. |
Re: Des Pensees by Ubenedictus(m): 8:02am On Mar 15, 2018 |
PastorAIO:the Bible was written across different genres of literature, it was never meant to be literally correct in all things, you'll find therein the understanding of the ancient writers, different traditions with sometimes bloated figures etc, these are "flaws" that I believe are there in the writing text... though I hold strongly to the inerrancy of its message taken as a whole, the story of a merciful God saving humanity. |
Re: Des Pensees by Nobody: 9:18am On Mar 15, 2018 |
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Re: Des Pensees by PastorAIO: 11:53am On Mar 18, 2018 |
[quote author=LoJ post=65853445][/quote] Thanks LoJ. Can you please tell me how you access my early posts. I can only go so far back at the moment by looking at my previous posts. |
Re: Des Pensees by PastorAIO: 12:05pm On Mar 18, 2018 |
Truth - a definition When I use the word truth in a technical sense I mean it as follows: Truth is what is, and always is, the case. This is to be seen in contrast to Facts. Facts, from latin Factorum, which means a 'done thing'. When something has been done, completed then it is a fact. Facts exist the past. They are spoken of in the past tense. Nothing in the future is a fact. Yet. The Sun rose yesterday morning. That is a fact. The Sun will rise tomorrow morning. That is NOT a fact. The leaves were green last month. That is a fact. The leaves are green is, technically speaking, not the Truth because the leaves will not stay green forever. It therefore follows that nothing that undergoes change is True, or Truth. Truth remains consistent forever. Our different moods and personality shifts are not the truth of our being. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Des Pensees by PastorAIO: 12:10pm On Mar 18, 2018 |
Geber - Of the Investigation of Truth We have considered in our volumes of the secret and natural powers and of the properties of natural things, and by our own experience of the invention of the searching out of a matter altogether certain. We have not found out any other thing but only those things of which our medicine is made, that it may have these properties in itself in transmuting of bodies. First, that it may have a most subtle earth in itself, and incombustible and apt to fix anything with its own radical moisture. Secondly, that it may have an airy and fiery moisture uniformly conjoined, so that if one be volatile the rest may be so also, and because that moisture above all other moistures abideth all other moistures, to the accomplishment of this sufficient thickness of ashes so far forth as the want thereof, with an unseparable permanency of the earth that is annexed without evaporation. Thirdly, because the natural disposition of moisture is such that by the benefit of its homogeneity it hath in all differences of its properties, annexed earth by the conversion of them both, because in the homogeneity of either of them it is tempered virtuously with an inseparable bond of conjoining, and after the degree of final preparation it yieldeth good melting. Fourthly, that this homogeneity is of such purity of Essence and artificially purified from all combustible and burnt substance, that all things which are joined with it are not burnt by it, but it preserveth them from burning. Fifthly, because it hath a clear and bright tincture in itself, white, red, pure, incombustible, stable and fixed, which neither the fire is able to change nor burnt sulphurs or sharp corrosives able to corrupt. Sixthly, because the whole engrafted compound with its final accomplishment is of such subtlety and thinness of substance, that after the final injection of the term of its decoction, it remaineth of most thin melting, in manner of water, and profound penetration even to the permutability of the last thing, of what fusion or melting so ever it be in the accomplishment, and cleaveth naturally to its fume with its affinity and nearness, and with inseparable hardness against the impression of the fire, even in its hour reducing bodies spiritually into its own nature. -- From the Rose Garden of the Philosophers |
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