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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by swankyvodamail: 6:20pm On Aug 03, 2013
agaugust:

show us weblink source of UN charter/regulations that says any countries that fight a war will be slammed with weapons importation embargo, show us that law, dummy ! grin

South Africa, GDP $578 billion

Egypt, GDP $ 548 billion

Source : CIA world factbook

you think the gap is very wide ? you think south africa is a paradise of wealth and other africans live economic collapse ?
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the white-men really used that apartheid to enslave your south african b.rains, put it in a tiny box, padlocked it, threw away the key into atlantic ocean[/b]I don't see nigeria why brag about another country gdp not your own

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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 6:24pm On Aug 03, 2013
Msauza:

Since when are rhinos human being?

you soweto mofos just complained that nigerians eat their pets, dogs, goats etc. since when did animals become human beings ? why bthe complaints ? then s.hut up !

anyway, a Rhino is a creature of God like you @msauza, why should it be killed if not for meat, why kill then for their horns ?

that is animal brutality, do it in america you go straight to jail

since you dont care about being dehorned, one day some south african criminals will castrate you own lower horn with the hope that it will a medicine that will cure your HIV infected Gays.

south african army loses war against Rhino poachers, worse every year !

Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by CraigB: 6:25pm On Aug 03, 2013
agaugust:

why should i bother to convince a fool ? i post for nigerians to know what goes on, nairaland is a nigerian forum, you soweto guys are poachers here, you have no such intellectually stimulating form is south africa unless your european masters 'transfer some more brain technology' to you .

beegeagle is my source, he does not tell lies because he is not trying to impress anybody. he values his public image and credibility more than you south africans value your wives at home.

i will post it as many times as i wish. beegeagle too will continue to remind the world. final.

http://beegeagle./2012/07/24/nigerian-air-force-begin-work-on-bomb-defusing-robot-receive-enquiries-on-made-in-nigeria-amebo-1-uav-brazilian-military-institute-to-partner-naf/

In other words, there's no proof. No wonder the noise and the elevated levels of foaming in the mouth.

Happy weekend there in Lagos, assuming this is possible at all. lipsrsealed
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 6:27pm On Aug 03, 2013
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now at page 600, this thread has proved its point beyond reasonable doubt......

thread topic/question : who has the strongest millitary in africa ?

thread topic/answer : EGYPT

thread topic conclusion : so who is next to Egypt as second rank military power in Africa ?

thread answer from neutral source America :

[size=16pt]American Army Declares Nigeria As Africa's Number One Power[/size]



QUOTE :

"Well, Nigerians may derive a similar psychology from a 103-report released recently by the U.S. Army’s Strategic Studies Institute.

Douglas C. Lovelace, Jr., the director of the institute, warns that Nigeria is too important for American policymakers to ignore or misjudge.

“Nigeria is the key country in sub-Saharan Africa for the success of American policy and interests, but is poorly understood by policymakers,” Lovelace writes in the foreword to the report. “Nigeria is an African powerhouse blessed with a large growing economy, huge reserves of oil and natural gas, the largest population in Africa, a rich cultural diversity, and powerful regional influence.”

The document proper was authored by two retired veterans of the U.S. Army and Foreign Service, Gerald McLoughlin and Clarence J. Bouchat. McLoughlin is identified as “a retired U.S. Foreign Service Officer with extensive service in sub-Saharan Africa. "

SOURCE :

http://www.punchng.com/columnists/punchwise/us-army-why-nigeria-is-so-important-to-the-us/



can we close this thread on this page 600 ? just asking. thread topic/question has been answered perfectly


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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 6:27pm On Aug 03, 2013
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[size=16pt] poor training : south african army anti-aircraft gun turns anti-south african [/size]


"12 October 2007 :

Nine South African National Defence Force (SANDF) soldiers were killed and 14 injured by the system during a training exercise at the SANDF Battle School at Lohatla in the Northern Cape province. A line of 8 cannons were engaging a tank hulk in manual ground fire with the guns at low elevation and the maximum traverse of the barrels secured by safety poles and tethers.

The rightmost gun jammed while firing and had to be repaired by technicians. Shortly after the gun was cleared to fire again, the gun malfunctioned, entered automatic mode, broke through the traversal-restriction safety mechanisms and began firing, striking the other guns along the firing line. Initial reports suggested that the malfunction was caused when the gun underwent an unexplained hang fire of the explosive 35mm ammunition in the magazines, causing the turret to swing uncontrolled through 360-degrees firing wildly until it exhausted its remaining ammo. A statement issued by the South African Defense Minister Mosiuoa Lekota, however, stated that the gun had inexplicably traversed 90-degrees to the left, breaking through the safety mechanisms, and fired only a 1/8 second long burst, striking all of the soldiers located on the right hand side of their guns. The accident report published by the SANDF in January 2008 blamed "undetected mechanical failure—which the manufacturers of an anti-aircraft gun allegedly kept secret". The report says the gun malfunctioned because a spring pin, which is the size of a matchstick, sheared.

Other sources blamed poor training and poor safety procedures in the south african military.
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33% brains on display above grin

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oerlikon_35_mm_twin_cannon

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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by CraigB: 6:31pm On Aug 03, 2013
agaugust:

you soweto mofos just complained that nigerians eat their pets, dogs, goats etc. since when did animals become human beings ? why bthe complaints ? then s.hut up !

anyway, a Rhino is a creature of God like you @msauza, why should it be killed if not for meat, why kill then for their horns ?

that is animal brutality, do it in america you go straight to jail

since you dont care about being dehorned, one day some south african criminals will castrate you own lower horn with the hope that it will a medicine that will cure your HIV infected Gays.

south african army loses war against Rhino poachers, worse every year !



Since when is the ministry of environmental affairs "the army"?

Are you even educated? Never mind having an MBA, which is bollocks.

So, involving border patrol soldiers and other specialists as strategic partners makes this a military offensive? embarassed

You need to find a way to mask your ignorance. The best way is to not be so loud.

Have fun out there.

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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by CraigB: 6:50pm On Aug 03, 2013
agaugust: .


now at page 600, this thread has proved its point beyond reasonable doubt......

thread topic/question : who has the strongest millitary in africa ?

thread topic/answer : EGYPT

thread topic conclusion : so who is next to Egypt as second rank military power in Africa ?

thread answer from neutral source America :

[size=16pt]American Army Declares Nigeria As Africa's Number One Power[/size]



QUOTE :

"Well, Nigerians may derive a similar psychology from a 103-report released recently by the U.S. Army’s Strategic Studies Institute.

Douglas C. Lovelace, Jr., the director of the institute, warns that Nigeria is too important for American policymakers to ignore or misjudge.

“Nigeria is the key country in sub-Saharan Africa for the success of American policy and interests, but is poorly understood by policymakers,” Lovelace writes in the foreword to the report. “Nigeria is an African powerhouse blessed with a large growing economy, huge reserves of oil and natural gas, the largest population in Africa, a rich cultural diversity, and powerful regional influence.”

The document proper was authored by two retired veterans of the U.S. Army and Foreign Service, Gerald McLoughlin and Clarence J. Bouchat. McLoughlin is identified as “a retired U.S. Foreign Service Officer with extensive service in sub-Saharan Africa. "

SOURCE :

http://www.punchng.com/columnists/punchwise/us-army-why-nigeria-is-so-important-to-the-us/



can we close this thread on this page 600 ? just asking. thread topic/question has been answered perfectly


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Imbec1le.

You're now topping off your celebration of a Chinese "loan".

A neutral source that wants your oil? Sure, dude.

And further, the quoted text is economic commentary. Economic commentary, dude.

Further still, I don't see "best" in there. Do you?

Further still, yet - now you are happy to quote US sources on Naai-geria? Good to know. We shall remember that.

I ask again: are you even educated?
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 7:01pm On Aug 03, 2013
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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 7:01pm On Aug 03, 2013
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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Msauza(m): 7:05pm On Aug 03, 2013
agaugust: .


now at page 600, this thread has proved its point beyond reasonable doubt......

thread topic/question : who has the strongest millitary in africa ?

thread topic/answer : EGYPT

thread topic conclusion : so who is next to Egypt as second rank military power in Africa ?

thread answer from neutral source America :

[size=16pt]American Army Declares Nigeria As Africa's Number One Power[/size]



QUOTE :

"Well, Nigerians may derive a similar psychology from a 103-report released recently by the U.S. Army’s Strategic Studies Institute.

Douglas C. Lovelace, Jr., the director of the institute, warns that Nigeria is too important for American policymakers to ignore or misjudge.

“Nigeria is the key country in sub-Saharan Africa for the success of American policy and interests, but is poorly understood by policymakers,” Lovelace writes in the foreword to the report. “Nigeria is an African powerhouse blessed with a large growing economy, huge reserves of oil and natural gas, the largest population in Africa, a rich cultural diversity, and powerful regional influence.”

The document proper was authored by two retired veterans of the U.S. Army and Foreign Service, Gerald McLoughlin and Clarence J. Bouchat. McLoughlin is identified as “a retired U.S. Foreign Service Officer with extensive service in sub-Saharan Africa. "

SOURCE :

http://www.punchng.com/columnists/punchwise/us-army-why-nigeria-is-so-important-to-the-us/



can we close this thread on this page 600 ? just asking. thread topic/question has been answered perfectly


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This is indeed funny. The very same Americans listed South Africa as a developed country in the recent CIA world fact book, but still you disputed that sudden graduation and now tell me why should we believe that crap by the Americans?
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 7:19pm On Aug 03, 2013
Msauza:

This is indeed funny. The very same Americans listed South Africa as a developed country in the recent CIA world fact book, but still you disputed that sudden graduation and now tell me why should we believe that crap by the Americans?

use your coconut head. the focus here is on military power and international influence, not infrastructural development, you mofo !

the american army officers with detailed african experience merely confirmed all we have been arguing about since page 1 to page 600 of this thread. you lose south africa, you lose finally ! zuma just bowed his head down to obama for nothing o !

better don't let envy of nigeria's divine glory give you epilepsy grin

Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 7:35pm On Aug 03, 2013
CraigB:

Still, you need to be thankful to SA. There's tons of comments from Naai-gerian losers stating that South Africa did what Naai-geria was too incompetent to do.

Face it. Your incompetence is the sole reason why you're dealing with B Haram today.
we asked for his arrest and prosecution. It was a brilliant move by the govt not to have him extridited to Nigeria.

Its not as if our judiciary cant do it, but if he were tried here, his Kalabari people would have flooded Abuja protesting against his prosecution. Some how, some politricking would take place. Pressure would be mount on judges and he will likely be set free.

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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by CraigB: 7:40pm On Aug 03, 2013
agaugust:

the focus here is on military power and international influence, not infrastructural development, you mofo !

As stated where, exactly?

It is clear that this is economic commentary. Nowhere does it say the focus is on military power. You cannot read.

And in any case, we will go with "facts" as contained in the fact book and not the opinion of some retired people.

Here is the guide to the "country comparison" section of the fact book:


REFERENCES :: GUIDE TO COUNTRY COMPARISONS



Geography ::
People and Society ::
Economy::
Energy ::
Communications ::
Transportation ::
Military ::


South Africa sits at number 26 in the world.

Nigeria sits at number 31 in the world.


Cry about it, why don't cha?

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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by CraigB: 7:44pm On Aug 03, 2013
souldust: we asked for his arrest and prosecution. It was a brilliant move by the govt not to have him extridited to Nigeria.

Its not as if our judiciary cant do it, but if he were tried here, his Kalabari people would have flooded Abuja protesting against his prosecution. Some how, some politricking would take place. Pressure would be mount on judges and he will likely be set free.

And that is exactly the point.

The incompetence of the Naai-gerian system, as well articulated by you.

It is a variation of the same incompetence that has made what started off as a s*tupid movement fester into what BH is today.
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 7:45pm On Aug 03, 2013
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new year 2013 update on african military rankings...no comment, because....
res ipsa loquitor grin

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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by CraigB: 7:47pm On Aug 03, 2013
agaugust: update on african military rankings...

res ipsa loquitor grin

As expected, whenever you lose arguments. You revert to your "Seleka" shell. grin

There is absolutely nothing you can do about South Africa's being ranked above Naai-geria. You can cry about it. You can laugh about it. You can jump up and down.

N.O.T.H.I.N.G. will change.

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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 7:49pm On Aug 03, 2013
has anyone ever noticed on this forum that one misled s.perm collided with the wrong ovary egg in the south-most nation of africa? shocked
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by CraigB: 7:52pm On Aug 03, 2013
agaugust: has anyone ever noticed on this forum that one misled s.perm collided with the wrong ovary egg in the most populous nation of africa? shocked

Now that you mention it... grin
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Msauza(m): 8:01pm On Aug 03, 2013
agaugust:

why should i bother to convince a fool ? i post for nigerians to know what goes on, nairaland is a nigerian forum, you soweto guys are poachers here, you have no such intellectually stimulating form is south africa unless your european masters 'transfer some more brain technology' to you .

beegeagle is my source, he does not tell lies because he is not trying to impress anybody. he values his public image and credibility more than you south africans value your wives at home.

i will post it as many times as i wish. beegeagle too will continue to remind the world. final.

http://beegeagle./2012/07/24/nigerian-air-force-begin-work-on-bomb-defusing-robot-receive-enquiries-on-made-in-nigeria-amebo-1-uav-brazilian-military-institute-to-partner-naf/

Well in that case let us close the book because you are not being objective in your argument.
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by 2smooth2shout: 8:07pm On Aug 03, 2013
CraigB:

Name one country in the world that "tells do" another and the other doesn't hesitate.

Just one.

D*umb Naai-gerian logic. D*umb question.

The principles of diplomacy allude you.

the EU did it to make your stup1d cowardly government to legalize gay marriage without resistance grin

the US does it to the whole world.

if your brain wasn't so slow in intelligence and quick to yap at everyone's post, you would know my question is a metaphor. since your ant brain can't decode what i meant, let me help you. my question is "which country can south africa influence politically"?
please don't mention zimbabwe cos the world knows ZIM doesn't respect you.

you are such an Id1ot to be talking about principles of diplomacy and not know that the first principle is "power is a necessary condition for foreign policy success, but not always a sufficient one." Power is necessary because it is not possible to reason with every adversary that threatens a vital interest. Deciding the balance between patience and power is a difficult judgment every president must make.

and diplomacy can also be applied in different ways and the types my comment refers to are: GUNBOAT DIPLOMACY or PUBLIC DIPLOMACY.

you are just too predictable. that why it's so easy to scroll past your comments and not miss a thing.

you are a STUP1D SCUMBAG CraigBitch and it's just been proven.

tell me one country south africa has influenced in politically africa. Id1OT undecided
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by CraigB: 8:16pm On Aug 03, 2013
2smooth2shout:

the EU did it to make your stup1d cowardly government to legalize gay marriage without resistance grin

the US does it to the whole world.

if your brain wasn't so slow in intelligence and quick to yap at everyone's post, you would know my question is a metaphor. since your ant brain can't decode what i meant, let me help you. my question is "which country can south africa influence politically"?
please don't mention zimbabwe cos the world knows ZIM doesn't respect you.

you are such an Id1ot to be talking about principles of diplomacy and not know that the first principle is "power is a necessary condition for foreign policy success, but not always a sufficient one." Power is necessary because it is not possible to reason with every adversary that threatens a vital interest. Deciding the balance between patience and power is a difficult judgment every president must make.

and diplomacy can also be applied in different ways and the types my comment refers to are: GUNBOAT DIPLOMACY or PUBLIC DIPLOMACY.

you are just too predictable. that why it's so easy to scroll past your comments and not miss anything.

you are a STUP1D SCUMBAG CraigBitch and it's just been proven.

tell me one country south africa has influenced in politically africa. Id1OT undecided

In other words, you cannot name a single country in the world that can tell another country what to do without resistance. You simply asked the question because you enjoy being illogical.

In other words, the EU is a country in Naai-geria.

In other words, South Africa's being only the 7th country to legalise gay marriage in terms of south Africa's very own constitution means that South Africa was told what told what to do.

When and where exactly, did such happen?

In other words, all the member states of the EU have gay marriage. Makes sense, right? (Naai-gerian logic at its best, or worst, depending on how you look at it).

In other words, your spewing rubbish means that you're actually the smart one?

Sure, dude. We believe you.

Too smooth to shout losing his cool.

Too smooth to shout reaching the end of his mental capabilities.

Too smooth to shout stuck in the underside of a debate.

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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by 2smooth2shout: 8:20pm On Aug 03, 2013
CraigB: I'm off to enjoy my weekend. It's almost noon.

Enjoy the stinky Lagos, losers!

Chow now!

what an ID1OT grin
saying it's almost noon at 5.09pm. grin
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by CraigB: 8:23pm On Aug 03, 2013
2smooth2shout:

what an ID1OT grin
saying it's almost noon at 5.09pm. grin

Let's see - in Naai-geria, the World Wide Web is stuck in one timezone.

Ok! Very smart!

It's 14h23 now. Does that fail to make sense to you, Naai-gerian?

Wow!

You're one smart fellow.

Speaking of time, it's time to bite into a juicy steak. I'll think of you as I enjoy my lunch. Enjoy life in Logooz, loser.

Chow now...
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by NaijaPikinGidi: 8:39pm On Aug 03, 2013
Msauza:

So, is your government going to accede to their plea of forming a separate state that will be ruled under sharia laws. Remember, there has to be a resolution from the Amnesty.

Ever heard the mantra of ONE NIGERIA? There'll always only be ONE NIGERIA so stop hyperventilating from your behind!
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Msauza(m): 8:41pm On Aug 03, 2013
agaugust:

use your coconut head. the focus here is on military power and international influence, not infrastructural development, you mofo !

the american army officers with detailed african experience merely confirmed all we have been arguing about since page 1 to page 600 of this thread. you lose south africa, you lose finally ! zuma just bowed his head down to obama for nothing o !

better don't let envy of nigeria's divine glory give you epilepsy grin

Your explanation is very weak because it equates to that of a child. In that case, since you believe what Americans say about Nigerian military power, I will equally believe the World Fact Book about it findings about South Africas developed state.
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by 2smooth2shout: 8:51pm On Aug 03, 2013
CraigB:
In other words, your spewing rubbish means that you're actually the smart one?

Too smooth to shout losing his cool.

Too smooth to shout stuck in the underside of a debate.

you should have at least proved your higher level of intellect by proving me wrong. ID1OT

predictable as usual. whenever i finish you with a proper lecture your over rated schools failed to give you, your counter intelligent response is that i'm fuming.. typical blockhead

i even gave the wrong answer. Nigeria has and will continue to have political influence in almost all the west african countries and we are moving to your backyard.

and dude am not debating with you, am just doing what your schools failed to do for you.

Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by CraigB: 8:58pm On Aug 03, 2013
2smooth2shout:

you should have at least proved your higher level of intellect by proving me wrong. ID1OT

predictable as usual. whenever i finish you with a proper lecture your over rated schools failed to give you, your counter intelligent response is that i'm fuming.. typical blockhead

i even gave the wrong answer. Nigeria has and will continue to have political influence in almost all the west african countries and we are moving to your backyard.

and dude am not debating with you, am just doing what your schools failed to do for you.



You asked the question. I didn't. You need to prove yourself right.

Which country in the world can tell another one what to do without resistance? Which country meets your very high expectations?

Just give us one, before you can demand to know what countries South Africa can "tell do" without resistance. You asked a very specific question. So, don't go off on a wishy-washy tangent.

Just one country. Not too many.

Surely, that's not too tall an ask, non? It's not as if calling me an id1ot will suddenly make you smart. Your utterances are here for all to see. It's clear who the mentally challenged person is here. And that certainly isn't me.

"Moving to [y]our backyard", while we are in your house. Wonderful.

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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by 2smooth2shout: 9:33pm On Aug 03, 2013
CraigB:

You asked the question. I didn't. You need to prove yourself right.

Which country in the world can tell another one what to do without resistance? Which country meets your very high expectations?

Just give us one, before you can demand to know what countries South Africa can "tell do" without resistance.
Just one country. Not too many.


"Moving to [y]our backyard", while we are in your house. Wonderful.

Metaphor. donkey.. you don't need to be a genius to understand the question. oh i forgot that you are STUP1D.
didn't i say this in my previous post. see how your desire in life is backwardness.

in our house? grin grin that's funny. so why did you arrest henry okah after we ordered you to when he fled to SA? why did your government beg for deporting Nigerians after we threatened to cut diplomatic ties and own your companies? you may have businesses here but we own you b!tches.

if you knew how to read you'll see i already answered that. i assume i'll never get my answer other than your usual empty response..
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by CraigB: 9:43pm On Aug 03, 2013
2smooth2shout:

Metaphor. donkey.. you don't need to be a genius to understand the question.

Metaphor.

A metaphor of what, exactly?

You are all over the place, except where you need to be.

Here is your question:

2smooth2shout:

name one country that respects south africa. just one country SA can tell do and they won't hesitate.


So, in other words, you aren't able to name a single country in the world that can do what you expect South Africa to do.

So, in other words, this was a silly question? Why then do you continue to demand an answer?

Why have you wasted our Saturday discussing a nonstarter?

Oh, I know! You asked a question before engaging your brain. And now, it's backtracking time. Only, it's too late.

Trust a Naai-gerian to celebrate the fact that South Africa takes your money every single day, while you try to beg for a chance to be allowed to do business in South Africa grin

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http://mg.co.za/article/2013-08-02-00-nigeria-seeks-sas-vehicle-expertise


Plans to set up automotive manufacturing plants could prove beneficial to both countries.

The trade and industry ministers of sub-Saharan Africa’s two superpowers are collaborating on the concept of the “Zagerian” car. Nigeria wants to set up its own motor industry — and it wants South Africa’s help.

South Africa has agreed to share insight on its automotive production and development plan. In return, it hopes to export its components to Nigeria for a preferential rate.

But major changes would need to take place before Nigeria’s motor manufacturing landscape in any way resembles that of South Africa’s.

In order to create a truly “Zagerian” manufacturing scene, the Nigerians will need to increase import tariffs significantly, see a massive increase in demand for new cars, and tackle a consumer preference for imported vehicles.

In the first quarter of this year, car sales in South Africa totalled 113 971. Every year, over 400 000 new cars are bought by its population of about 51-million people.

In comparison, Nigeria, with a population of more than 160-million, imports a total of 50 000 new cars every year. This makes up the bulk of the new-car market in the country.

There is only one local manufacturer and it has not made significant inroads into the market.

That means South Africa sells more than eight times the number of new cars Nigeria does, despite Nigeria having more than triple South Africa’s population.

Nigeria rose from being the 13th-biggest buyer of South African automotive exports in 2011 to the ninth-biggest buyer last year. It was South Africa’s second-biggest African customer, beaten only by Zambia.

The total value of South Africa’s automotive exports to Nigeria rose from R1.3-billion in 2011 to R2.14-billion last year, according to the Automotive Export Manual published by the National Association of Automobile Manufacturers of South Africa. Last year, South Africa’s vehicle sales to Nigeria constituted almost 20% of all its automotive exports.

The import factor
The South African government-supported production and development plan replaced the motor industry development plan in January.

It aims to increase local vehicle production by incentivising local investment and hiking up import tariffs to 20% and 25% for imported components and vehicles respectively.

The South African motor vehicle market is made up almost entirely of local sales, but it has come at a cost, with some contesting that the programme has ­contributed R49-billion to the country’s trade deficit, Business Day reported in April.

Nigeria imports 150 000 used cars every year — three times the number of new cars brought into the country — and spends $360-million dollars bringing them in, according to the National Automotive Council in Nigeria. The country’s “import-friendly” tariff policy has led to cheaper imports.

“The sorry thing for Nigeria is that, while other [developing] countries were increasing their duties, Nigeria actually reduced its import duties on vehicles from 30% to between 10% and 20%, making Nigeria one of the dumping grounds for automobiles,” opined an editorial in the Leadership newspaper of Nigeria.

Unlike in South Africa, where the sale of used imported cars is banned, in Nigeria motor vehicles up to 15 years old can be sold in the country.

In a bid to protect the local industry, a government-mandated committee had been considering decreasing the age of allowable imports, which was originally 10 years.

“But instead they increased it to 15 years,” said Dianna Games, chief executive of the South Africa-Nigeria Chamber of Commerce. “There was a bit of an outcry around that.”

The allowance of older vehicle imports into the country, she said, was to enable more Nigerians to buy cars.

“A five-year-old car in Nigeria is still expensive,” said Games. “The reason [the decision to allow older imports was made] was to make it more affordable. At the time the petrol price was going up, so it was a double whammy for the consumer.”

But according to Leadership, other countries such as South Africa got around this by restricting low tariffs to small vehicles, “to help the middle class”.

Local tastes
But South African manufacturers are also up against the buying preferences of Nigerians — and according to Games, they prefer imported brands to local ones.

Chief Innocent Chukwuma, the chairperson of Nigeria’s Innoson Vehicle Manufacturing — the first automobile manufacturing plant in the country — said the company is suffering from low demand from both the private and the public sectors.

Chukwuma said in January that Nigerians refused to appreciate and patronise locally made vehicles. This was despite the fact that some of the cars were cheaper and of better quality than their imported counterparts.

The Nigerian market is not only open to formal imports. It is bolstered by the existence of informal imports from Dubai, China and other places, said Games. These products “remain popular in Nigeria because they are priced lower, not having had to have duties and tariffs applied to their sale price”.

Nevertheless, Games predicts this will change and Nigerians will seek legally imported or locally made cars as they become wealthier. “As the middle class grows, people will seek better value and proper back-up ­service,” she said.

Both Toyota and Nissan have shown an interest in setting up operations in Nigeria, should the “Zagerian” plan get the go-ahead. The South African Revenue Service does not track car exports by brands but, according to Games, Toyota and Nissan are the two most popular exports to Nigeria from South Africa.

Any preferential deal will do
Preferential opportunities in Nigeria for the manufacturers will provide a valuable leg-up for entry into a highly competitive market, said Games.

“This would be a great opportunity for South African auto manufacturers as the competition is stiff in the Nigerian market and any preferential deal would be useful.”

The Mail & Guardian conducted a price comparison between five popular retail cars in Nigeria and South Africa. It shows that prices are generally between 4% and 15% higher in Nigeria than in South Africa, although the comparison was a snapshot rather than one that should be considered reflective of the entire market.

Nevertheless, said Games, a local manufacturing capability would not necessarily translate into cheaper prices for the consumer.

“The cost of production in Nigeria is very high,” said Games. “There is nothing to say that it will be cheaper to buy local cars.”

And yet, despite myriad difficulties, the South African industry remains optimistic about its opportunities for involvement in the Nigerian motor market, which is “still in its infancy” but has great potential for growth, said Games. “As incomes grow, the market for goods and services is growing and that will drive demand.”

Pockets of potential
Norman Lamprecht, executive manager of the National Association of Automobile Manufacturers of South Africa, also saw pockets of potential.

“Opportunities of mutual benefit could be pursued, especially on the automotive component side, depending on the specific models to be produced in Nigeria,” he said.

To this end, the South African government is drafting another agreement of co-operation with Nigeria. Department of trade and industry spokesperson Sidwell Medupe says it is too early to disclose the timelines and how exactly this is being done.

“We are assessing the best ways to collaborate,” he said.

The future of the “Zagerian” car industry hangs in the balance while they do.
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Msauza(m): 9:46pm On Aug 03, 2013
NaijaPikinGidi:

Ever heard the mantra of ONE NIGERIA? There'll always only be ONE NIGERIA so stop hyperventilating from your behind!

I don't think that the talks would ever be a success because Islam doesn't want to be ruled under democracy. They feel that democracy support only interests of Christians and pagans.

Democracy can be best described in simple terms as the government by the people. For democracy to be progressive it has to be accepted by all the people, but the problem is that those who embrace Islam feel that democracy is against their religious principles because they do not simply believe that men should live under such freedom. Just imagine when you will have to legalise same sex marriages and afford women 50/50 powers it will not go well with those who embrace Islam. The problem is Muslim constitute almost over 40% of Nigeria's population. In this regard, is your government going to accede to their plea of envisaged separate Islamic state under Nigeria or not?
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by 2smooth2shout: 9:51pm On Aug 03, 2013
CraigB:

A metaphor of what, exactly?

You are all over the place, except where you need to be.

Here is your question:



So, in other words, you aren't able to name a single country in the world that can do what you expect South Africa to do.

So, in other words, this was a silly question?

Why have you wasted our Saturday discussing a nonstarter?

Oh, I know! You asked a question before engaging your brain. And now, it's backtracking time. Only, it's too late.

EMPTY. EMPTY as usual.

did SA hesitate to arrest okah after we gave the order?

so no answer to my question.. case closed

SA is like that boy in a class that everyone takes money from but don't like or respect him. grin
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Donian007: 9:53pm On Aug 03, 2013
paniki: The question asked was simply but this thread has gone 600 pages which shows that there will never be any consensus. So in hope for some general agreement, let me ask another question: Which country has the weakest military in Africa?
Lets make it TOP 10 WEAKEST MILITARIES IN AFRICA.

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