NaijaPikinGidi:

I had hoped for some form of direct response to the clear facts of the serious security breach and risk posed to world leaders yesterday! But clearly not even one of our usual blockhead South African "bingos" on this thread will touch my comment with a 10 kilometer pole. Truth is sacred. Touch truth the wrong way and die!

As usual beautiful pictures of spineless security personnel are the best response to the scandal televised and seen the world over! One man has proved us right about South Africa ... fooling themselves in such empty grandeur for a revered Mr. Mandela. Any more sign linguists in South Africa?


"While dignitaries were addressing the crowd in the FNB stadium in Johannesburg, the man with an official security pass around his neck produced a series of hand signals that experts said meant absolutely nothing.

Police say the hunt is on for the man, but they do not know who he is."



http://www.sabc.co.za/news/a/43a4fd804226548f8373af1c2eddf908/Government-investigates-fake-interpreter



How is it that your fabled Gripens, Rooivalk helicopters, and ground soldiers, security personnel and operatives were so unable to detect this man? More proof for my comments on this thread over the past few months. Remember the Park Station matter of a few months back?

now this is my favorite post for the festive month of December.....what a merry and funny christmas this will be.

good job @Naijapikingidi, all south africans have no courage to reply this your story, they are running away from it in shame, soweto fools got fooled 100% on their own homeland soil

100% south african security system with admirals and generals, helicopters and jets, electronics and radars, all in place and position, yet all fooled and penetrated 100% by one single man !

south africa is finished, one boko haram will capture jacob zuma alive and demand for $100 million kidnap ransom


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gG57ncLTCNc
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Msauza:

That man suffers from a bipolar which was diagnosed some while ago. This condition is very popular to academics. However, he was found to be a qualified sign language interpreter, since it was not the first time he was used.

http://news.ng.msn.com/africa-news/mandela-fake-interpreter-blames-schizophrenia-1

weak rubbish. even you Don't sound sane right now.

Msauza:

That man suffers from a bipolar which was diagnosed some while ago. This condition is very popular to academics. However, he was found to be a qualified sign language interpreter, since it was not the first time he was used.

http://news.ng.msn.com/africa-news/mandela-fake-interpreter-blames-schizophrenia-1

http://health.yahoo.net/news/s/nm/mandela-mimer-hits-back-i-m-sign-language-champion

you are busy posting cheap stories that have no writer/source from yahoo and msn, you this yahoo yahoo boy

credible newspapers and world standard media sources say south africa is actually full of these fake interpreters who scam your country randomly


[size=16pt]one fake man fools south african security system in pretoria[/size]


"Ingrid Parkin, principal of the St Vincent School for the Deaf in Johannesburg, received complaints from deaf people across the world, from Canada to China. “This man himself knows he cannot sign and he had the guts to stand on an international stage and do that,” she said.

She added that bogus sign-language interpreters were a problem in South Africa, “because people who know a few signs try to pass themselves off as interpreters. And those hiring them usually don’t sign, so they have no idea that the people they are hiring cannot do the job”.

The fake man has so far not been identified."

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/africa/nelson-mandela-memorial-bogus-interpreter-made-mockery-of-barack-obamas-tribute-8997486.html



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chris365:

weak rubbish. even you Don't sound sane right now.

You should have listened to yourself before uttering such a gibberish. It is not the first time he interpreted on public dormain. The man has a proven condition of bipolar disorder.

http://health.yahoo.net/news/s/nm/mandela-mimer-hits-back-i-m-sign-language-champion

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schizophrenia

List of famous people with known bipolar disorder.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_with_bipolar_disorder

Msauza:

You should have listened to yourself before uttering such a gibberish. It is not the first time he interpreted on public dormain. The man has a proven condition of bipolar disorder.

http://health.yahoo.net/news/s/nm/mandela-mimer-hits-back-i-m-sign-language-champion

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schizophrenia

let him show us correct sign language now that he is off stage and we will see if he was sick or not

fake man fake excuses


south african security systems were fooled 100% by a fake man, you have to live with this fact or commit suicide if you dont like it

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agaugust:

let him show us correct sign language now that he is off stage and we will see if he was sick or not

fake man fake excuses


south african security systems were fooled 100% by a fake man, you have to live with this fact or commit suicide if you dont like it

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This man has already done excellently well during two major events of the ANC.

The problem on his part is that he never declared his bipolar status. Perhaps, fearing he would be discriminated against.

Security does not hire sign interpreters, the event management does.

Msauza:

That man suffers from a bipolar which was diagnosed some while ago. This condition is very popular to academics. However, he was found to be a qualified sign language interpreter, since it was not the first time he was used to gestulate.

http://news.ng.msn.com/africa-news/mandela-fake-interpreter-blames-schizophrenia-1

http://health.yahoo.net/news/s/nm/mandela-mimer-hits-back-i-m-sign-language-champion

You've fallen into your own trap! As usual when you get caught in your own mess you claim madness, insanity, or blame someone else. You (security agencies, and government) all denied knowledge of the man when his embarrassment was still fresh, now that the heat is on, has been discovered that he has been an interpreter for the ANC for so many years ... interpreting rubbish and misleading gullible South Africans time and time again! When did it then occur to South Africans that he was schizophrenic? The same man who was just disowned, now has a sudden known condition of bipolar disorder?

Point is ... information from South Africans cannot be trusted. Likewise, professional/academic credibility and qualifications must be checked with huge pair of eyeglasses. If you guys didn't know him or did not have background info on this man ... It is clear how much of a security risk he was to world leaders that gathered. Need I say more?

Msauza:

That man suffers from a bipolar which was diagnosed some while ago. This condition is very popular to academics. However, he was found to be a qualified sign language interpreter, since it was not the first time he was used to gestulate.

http://news.ng.msn.com/africa-news/mandela-fake-interpreter-blames-schizophrenia-1

http://health.yahoo.net/news/s/nm/mandela-mimer-hits-back-i-m-sign-language-champion

Gentlemen ... Please read this report and watch the video and you make up your mind where MsauZA and the fake sign man belong!

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http://www.enca.com/south-africa/fake-interpreter-speaks-accusations


No escape route! Disaster Control will not help!

Msauza: List of famous people with known bipolar disorder.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_with_bipolar_disorder

Bipolar excuse is lame. How has bipolar disorder affected the professionalism of whoever there is on your infamous list.
Try again in 2014!

Msauza:

This man has already done excellently well during two major events of the ANC.

The problem on his part is that he never declared his bipolar status. Perhaps, fearing he would be discriminated against.

Security does not hire sign interpreters, the event management does.

If excellently well means what we saw for Mr. Mandela's memorial, then 33% passmark needs to be lowered to 20% to accommodate the many more fake sign liars misleading the chronically deaf and dumb people of South Africa. Since denying him was not working ... Bipolar disorder seems the best escape? The Deaf and Dumb Association of SA has complained several times in the past about this fake idio.t but it takes a departed Mr. Mandela to report the fraud called South Africa to the world. Very timely, embarrassment to ANC ... SMH

i think you guys should choose a baptisimal name now. RainBOO or rainBOOBS, which do you prefer? We are tired of calling you MOOsanzi, Soweto f0ols, etc

Problem is,he did it for so long(fake sign language) and nobody picked it up,what if he was meant to be a fake? If a terrorist was making fake sign languages for so long are we saying nobody would pick it up among your security services?
You suggest he is bi-polar and was having an episode?That means he could kill obama at any moment and say alqaeda downloaded instructions to him to kill the P.O.T.U.S. If he is bipolar he should never have got such a sensitve position to so many heads of state.poor planning all round.

agaugust:

Since your whole air force is now proved useless against NNS ARADU it means Nigeria can invade South Africa by sea and make Mandela tremble in his grave.

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you do know what a bomb is, they have been used to sink ships for yearsM ardus defense sytems are no better if not worse than the RN in the 1980s and the arjies where able to use bombs on them

agaugust:

nigeria's 12 Alpha jets are built to be armed with Maverick multirole anti-ship missile. stop thinking that only south africa can import new weapons

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does nigeria use the Maverick? No.
that like me saying the gripen is built to use swedish anti ship missiels. nothing stopeing use from buying them.

agaugust:
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[size=16pt]Submarines Vs Warships....who is stronger ?[/size]




first, i remind you that NNS ARADU's Otomat missile itself is partially stealth anti-ship missile.

a stealth warship is NOT invisible to radar, it only looks smaller like half its real size. dont carry your imaginations beyond reality man !

south african warships have only a short ranged surface to air missile defence, but NNS ARADU's Otomat is a surface to surface anti-ship missile, it does not go up like an aircraft in the sky for your surface to air missiles to stop it, Otomat hugs the ocean waters as a sea skimming missile and south africa has NO defensive missile against that.

only an anti-missile Missile can attempt to stop an Otomat, and south africa has no anti-missile Missile designed for that special role.




next point....you think submarines are a magical weapon platform ? against civilian ships yes. against naval warships no !

in world war II germany lost about 800 of its 1,200 submarines in combat and 300 of those submarines were sunk by warships.

germany's 1,200 submarines sank about 2,700 civilian merchant ships but only 180 naval warships in battles at sea.


http://www.navyhistory.org.au/british-and-german-submarine-statistics-of-world-war-ii/

if submarines are the magical weapons you south africans think they are, all big navies of the world will sell off their warships and buy only submarines. you dont know the technical limitations of submarines in naval warfare.

you think they are spirits that cannot be sunk while they have fun sinking ships, reason why i posted that link for you above.

out of 1,200 german submarines, ships sank 300 of those submarines in world war II, while the submarines sank only 180 of the warships.

who won the battle between ships and submarines ? the ships of course, statistics prove it in real war.

on the average for sea battles, when submarines sink one ship, the other ships sink two submarines also.

in year 2004 American Navy upgraded its anti-submarine capability against even the very modern Gotland class submarine which they wisely bought and experimented with to know how to defeat the Swedish submarine.

no real war has ever been fought in history between a warship with modern sonar and modern submarine. War games are only exercises for training, no live weapons are fired on each other, training is NOT war of fight to finish, kill and be killed.


The weakness of hidden submarines is that once they fire torpedoes, their hidden position is detected and the ship fires anti-submarine torpedoes too.

warships like NNS ARADU at almost 70km/hr moves 10 times faster than submerged submarines of only 7km/hr.

also, NNS ARADU at 70km/hr moves faster than torpedoes of 55km/hr coming from submarines.

enemy submarine moving at 7km/hr is 6 times slower than torpedoes of speed 45km/hr fired by NNS ARADU's.

i just showed you the technical reason why warships sink more submarines in real battle, not your games played between friendly navies that no weapons at all.

In real war, both the warship and submarine have a nearly close balance of power, but war history gives the victory of greater kills in favour of warships.

Worst for the submarine are the Lynx antisubmarine helicopters of Nigerian navy carried on board our NNS ARADU, once a submarine fires torpedoes the location is revealed as well as it's bearings /cardinal point direction at it moves at 7km/hr slow snail speed it will be hunted and sunk because the submarine will be about only 20km away from the ship due to short range of torpedoes.

a nigerian Lynx anti-submarine helicopter armed with its new upgraded year 2014 detector sonar and torpedoes flying safely at speed 300km/hr pursuing a south african submarine just 20km away while the slow submarine is trying to run away at snail slow speed of 7km/hr, it takes on 3 minutes for the helicopter to be exactly over the head of the submarine ! soweto's submarine is going to its sea bed grave for burial that day !

also, submarines hidden and submerged cannot stay more than about 24 hours under water without rushing back to the surface to save diesel fuel from finishing, only nuclear fuelled submarines can stay underwater hidden for weeks and no country in Africa has it.

You think a submarine is a mammy water spirit that cannot be destroyed ? No sir, you got it all wrong !

NNS ARADU, supported by our two new stealth Type 056 warships will lead a nigerian sea invasion of south africa and there will be terror and fear in your country when we arrive your waters !

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There are only 2 types of ships. Submarines and targets.


Since when is the ottmat stealthy, it is very unstealthy. I mean it is a big missiel no radar guided missiel is stealth since the use of radar is like shout I am here over a megaphone.

Suface to air means it shoots things down in the sky missiels fly in the sky thuse are targets. Not to menstion they bossted the range to 20km and the umkhonto has a secondary land attack role.

Anti missiel miessiel? The umkhonto was built to target air craft, drones, missiels, small boats, and a host of othere targets.

Modernday submariens are not the same has ww2 subs. That like compairing WW1 biplanes to modern jets.

There are certain jobs that subs just can not do. They execel at one thing sea denneail. You need surface ships for all other roles.

Yet that diessiel still out manvourses them. Not to menstion your NN does not have modern sonar.

Falcklands war, sub 1 surface ship zero,

It not that simple, a sub can evade a torpedo far better than a ship.

That why you wait for the surface ship. If the taget is say capetown you lay in wait let it come to you. Submarine warfare is hours of boring nothing with a few minuents of acstions. If the people on this forum are a reflecstion of nigeria your eagerness would make you a poor submarine users.

You do not use speed to out run them.

It showws how you used another appel v orgen comparsion. But that a standard of yours.

When last did your lynx fly?

2014? Nigerians invented time machines? Please show exactly what sytems are on your lynx?

This is not ww2, subs can now spend days under water and only come up to perscope depth to snorkal

You are fool.

http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-25345627

South Africa's deputy disability minister says the government is investigating how a man who faked sign language at the Mandela memorial was given security clearance.

Thamsanqa Dyantyi, who stood alongside world leaders at the event, has denied being a fraud, and said he panicked when he began hallucinating.

He said he had schizophrenia, which had in the past made him act violently.

The agency that employed him, SA Interpreters, has reportedly vanished.

The African National Congress (ANC) said it had used Mr Dyantyi as an interpreter several times before, and "had not been aware of any of complaints regarding the quality of services, qualifications or reported illnesses" of the interpreter.

But it said Tuesday's memorial at a stadium in Johannesburg was organised by the state, not the ANC, so the ruling party could not comment on security arrangements.

The South African Translators' Institute said earlier there had been complaints over Mr Dyantyi's work before, but that the ANC had taken no action.

The ANC said it would "follow up the reported correspondence that has supposedly been sent to us in this regard and where necessary act on it".

'No embarrassment'

Mr Mandela died last week at the age of 95, and will be buried on Sunday.

His body is currently lying in state in Pretoria, with thousands queuing to pay their respects.

During the memorial, Mr Dyantyi stood on the stage next to key speakers including US President Barack Obama, South African President Jacob Zuma and Mr Mandela's grandchildren, translating their eulogies.

An interpreter on South Africa's SABC TV shows the signing which should have been used
Mr Dyantyi's performance was watched on television by millions of people worldwide and angered the South African deaf community. Pressure has been mounting on the government to explain why he was hired for such an important event.

Deputy Disability Minister Hendrietta Bogopane-Zulu told a news conference on Thursday: "Firstly, I don't think South Africa as a country would put at risk anybody's security, especially those of heads of state.

"Secondly, when somebody provides a service of a sign language interpreter, I don't think... somebody would say: 'Is your head ok? Do you have any mental disability?' I think the focus was on: 'Are you able to sign? Can you provide the services?'"

But she said: "In terms of security clearance that is in a process, we are requesting to check his vetting."

Ms Bogopane-Zulu apologised to the deaf community but said there was no reason for the country to be embarrassed.


Mr Dyantyi has been employed to sign at ANC events in the past
"There are as many as a hundred sign language dialects," she said, explaining that Mr Dyantyi speaks Xhosa and that "the English was a bit too much for him".

She also accused Mr Dyantyi's employers of being "cheats", and said the directors of SA Interpreters had since vanished.

Government minister Hendrietta Bogopane-Zulu said the interpreting firm had been providing sub-standard services for some time
Mr Dyantyi himself has blamed his flawed interpretation on a schizophrenic episode.

He told the Associated Press he had often been violent in the past, and had been due to attend a routine mental health check-up on the day of the memorial, to determine whether he needed to be admitted to hospital.

He told the BBC that during the event, he had had a breakdown, and started hallucinating that angels were coming down into the crowd.

"I started knowing that I am not real, because it's not something possible. But believe me I saw them coming on stage.

"From that moment, it was not myself," he said, saying he had becoming concerned for the safety of people in the stadium and was "absolutely" aware that he was not signing correctly.

Final journey


Long queues of mourners wait to catch a bus to view the body of ex-President Nelson Mandela, a scene reminiscent of that in 1994 when voters queued in Soweto

A long line of people wait outside the polling station in Soweto to vote in South Africa's first all-race elections in April 1994
Mr Mandela's body is lying in state until 13 December, when the military will fly the coffin to the Eastern Cape from Air Force Base Waterkloof in Pretoria.

A military guard of honour will welcome the arrival, and the coffin will then be placed on a gun carriage and transported to a hearse.

Mr Mandela's body will then be taken to his home village of Qunu, where the Thembu community will conduct a traditional ceremony.

A national day of reconciliation will take place on 16 December when a statue of Mr Mandela will be unveiled at the Union Buildings.

Big screens have been set up across South Africa to show the planned national events.

When did AndrewZA begin to act like Thiza, Mike..ZA, KwameTUT (aka AwodwaGyan) and CrazePig? Copying and pasting long lines and paragraphs of valueless information? How about doing readers a favour by summarizing the cock and bull story of your Minister and the sign man?

The embarrassment gets even worse each time you make efforts to wish it away.

NaijaPikinGidi: When did AndrewZA begin to act like Thiza, Mike..ZA, KwameTUT (aka AwodwaGyan) and CrazePig? Copying and pasting long lines and paragraphs of valueless information? How about doing readers a favour by summarizing the cock and bull story of your Minister and the sign man?

The embarrassment gets even worse each time you make efforts to wish it away.

I did not feel like it that is. I just posted a news artcal straight from the source. I am way to tired to summrise that enter artical.


But short of the matter the interpreter is knowen, the company that he works for is the one that has vanshied. He was checked by securty but they never asked can you actualy do the job and are you a crazy nut job that sees things. In hind sight from now on they will include those qustions now.

Msauza:

That man suffers from a bipolar which was diagnosed some while ago. This condition is very popular to academics. However, he was found to be a qualified sign language interpreter, since it was not the first time he was used to gestulate.

http://news.ng.msn.com/africa-news/mandela-fake-interpreter-blames-schizophrenia-1

http://health.yahoo.net/news/s/nm/mandela-mimer-hits-back-i-m-sign-language-champion

Qualified from where? Anyone can gesticulate and flap their arms like chickens and ducks! But such action cannot become anything close to meaningful communication to the deaf/dumb! That was surely the last time he'll gesticulate in the name of sign language!

zaandrew:

I did not feel like it that is. I just posted a news artcal straight from the source. I am way to tired to summrise that enter artical.


But short of the matter the interpreter is knowen, the company that he works for is the one that has vanshied. He was checked by securty but they never asked can you actualy do the job and are you a crazy nut job that sees things. In hind sight from now on they will include those qustions now.

Posting the article straight from source is usually meaningful when it comes with your contextual view! It helps us understand your position with regard to the material posted.

However, it is clear how confused you all are!

NaijaPikinGidi: Where has the tightness of the accreditation and security evaporated to?

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“We can’t find a name or anything. The organisations who have accredited interpreters do not know him at all.”

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Even your Police and security operatives publicly have said he wasn't known! I have quoted sources previously and can quote some more! The more you spin the facts the more embarrassing and fraudulent you paint yourselves.

NaijaPikinGidi:

Posting the article straight from source is usually meaningful when it comes with your contextual view! It helps us understand your position with regard to the material posted.

However, it is clear how confused you all are!



Even your Police and security operatives publicly have said he wasn't known! I have quoted sources previously and can quote some more! The more you spin the facts the more embarrassing and fraudulent you paint yourselves.

Probaly because he was not hierd but a company was hiered. Any case the guy works regulaly at ANC events.

agaugust:

if boko haram was a south african terrorist group they will capture jacob zuma from his bedroom and south african military will be confused

Speaking of Boko Haram they strike AGAIN. www.vanguardngr.com/2013/12/boko-haram-ambushes-motorists-abducts-four-borno/.

agaugust:

nigeria's 12 Alpha jets are built to be armed with Maverick multirole anti-ship missile. stop thinking that only south africa can import new weapons

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The Gripen uses many guided munitions,than any jet in Nigeria. Nigeria is a dumping ground for obsolete weapons,even the USA dumped a bunch of ships there.

agaugust:

...and you soweto fools said nigerian army failed in battle after we killed dozens of boko haram, so what do you call kenyan army that could not kill a dozen islamic terrorists after many days inside one single shopping mall which kenyan army and air force helicopters already surrounded

see how you now condemn your own past posts on boko haram battles...dumbo

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Boko Haram has camps inside Nigeria unlike the Al shabaab which was kicked,and won't dare attack Kenyan attack helicopter fleet. Kenya did a mistake by rushing regular troops inside that mall,instead of using highly trained special forces.

agaugust:

south africa's useless army ran so fast out of seleka rebels combat zone in CAR, they left their uniforms, 4x4 trucks, and gecko vehicles behind....with that speed, even usain bolt olympic 100m champion will envy your running army's speed

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Don't tell about what was left behind. Show me where during an engagement the parabats ran,cause telling me about what was left behind gives the right to mention the equipment Nigeria left in Mali "running" to help cause BH was increasing in strength rapidly...................SHOW ME ON WHICH FRONT THE PARABATS RAN WHEN FIGHTING ERUPTED??

agaugust:


you are wrong dude, nigeria has NNS AMBE assault ship that carries artillery, tanks and anti-aircraft weapons.

how did you think nigeria moved 15,000 soldiers from lagos to liberia/sierra leone about 3,000 km away moving our heavy armour and artillery ?

you think we drove our army on land through 6 other west african countries territories ? fool

nigeria has capacity to invade south africa. i have studied it carefully and i have an invasion master plan. FACT !

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/nigeria/nns-ambe.htm



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I will address this post with 6 points. 1. Your ship will need escort ships to escort it to SA against threats posed by submarines,meaning without any frigate protecting Nigeria's water a group of special forces can attack your armament ports. 2. Your ship can only transport 540 troops,whom will need another supply ship carrying munitions,water,food and fuel trucks 3. Nigerian artillery will be useless cause there will be no air strips for your drones to fly from. 4. Nigeria won't come guns blazing,with 5 T-55 tanks which the SANDF uses as training shooting targets. 5.Your ship will have to stop at some port making it a nice target for the Umbabi PGM 6. To invade a well equipped country,you'll many ships to transport your first bunch of troops which will attack and hold areas for incoming troops to launch attacks from but if gonna bring a single ship with 540 troops to fight for more than week against a army without supplies you're crazy. AMPHIBIOUS CAPACITY
Typical load configuration options 5 T-54/55 tanks + x4 trucks or artillery pieces +
x35 fully-equipped marines
10 BTR-60 APCs + x66 fully-equipped marines
540 fully-equipped marines
1000 unequipped passengers (short transit /
disaster relief)
400 tons dry cargo + x220 fully-equipped
marines
460 tons dry cargo
WEAPONS-Guns 1 OTO-Melara 40mm 3NM AA/surface
2 GAM-B01 20mm 1NM AA/surface
SENSORS-Radar Decca 1226 (I)

agaugust:

first point, south africa is NOT equal to NATO/EUROPE, you are mere soweto mofos of africa

nigerian Roland SAM missiles will shot down all south african jets. we proved that many times here.

Umbani bomb of south africa CANNOT work against nigerian air defence because it uses laser to find the enemy, nigerian army will see the laser ray from the south african hawk jets and shoot them down.

your hawk jets have very weak radar and cannot find the Roland without getting close, then the Roland radar or electro-optical will pick up the Hawks and shoot down all your jets even before they launch any laser guided bomb.

worse for your Gripen jet that has a stronger radar than Hawk jet, but Gripen can only carry Paveway guided bomb with range only 20km, and Gripen needs to find the Roland and light it up with laser beams, then it gets too close within the Roland missile range and gets shot down.

all your guided bombs are slow speed weapons designed in reality, for stationary targets like houses that cannot move away from a slow speed bomb, so all your Umbani and Paveway bombs will be shot down by nigerian Type 90 computerized anti-aircraft gun with superb rapid fire and super high speed anti-aircraft 35mm shells.

you dont know how guided bombs work, they need laser beam to guide them to their targets, and the jet fighter needs to find that target first, be very sure it is the right target, and illuminate it with the laser light beams, hoping their will be no air defence from the ground against the jets now in close range to enemy air defences....

but no, nigeria will dash that hope, we have the best anti-aircraft weapons in all africa as at today.

laser guided bombs are NOT magical weapons dude, they work well against an enemy that has weak air defences only, not Nigeria's level


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Your lack of military knowledge is proven here again. 1. The Roland has never shot down any supersonic jet,it show dowm sub-sonic jets,it even has small range of 8km which makes it exposed to the Rooivalk mokopa missile 2. The Umbani has a range of 120km out of your Roland range,read my next point carefully I'm about to teach you something .3 No computerised gun can shoot down incoming(mortar,shells and missiles),only the USA and Israel have systems that are CRAM capable example being the Iron dome air defence system. Your type 90 gun is not a CRAM system STOP DREAMING. Without highly advanced radar to track small rounds,like a bomb any system will burn. NIGERIA DOESN'T HAVE CRAM CAPABILITY. Get it over your head tired of teaching you 5. Laser guided bombs can be guided by special forces operators with laser designation binoculars or other hand portable small systems 6. The Gripen can "light up" the target with its laser while hawk launches the bomb and the bomb shall be guided by the Gripen. 7. SHOW ME WHERE IT IS WRITTEN THAT THE TYPE 90 IS CRAM capable.............Mike..Za again whooping your blue balls

agaugust:
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[size=16pt]Submarines Vs Warships....who is stronger ?[/size]




first, i remind you that NNS ARADU's Otomat missile itself is partially stealth anti-ship missile.

a stealth warship is NOT invisible to radar, it only looks smaller like half its real size. dont carry your imaginations beyond reality man !

south african warships have only a short ranged surface to air missile defence, but NNS ARADU's Otomat is a surface to surface anti-ship missile, it does not go up like an aircraft in the sky for your surface to air missiles to stop it, Otomat hugs the ocean waters as a sea skimming missile and south africa has NO defensive missile against that.

only an anti-missile Missile can attempt to stop an Otomat, and south africa has no anti- missile Missile designed for that special role.




next point....you think submarines are a magical weapon platform ? against civilian ships yes. against naval warships no !

in world war II germany lost about 800 of its 1,200 submarines in combat and 300 of those submarines were sunk by warships.

germany's 1,200 submarines sank about 2,700 civilian merchant ships but only 180 naval warships in battles at sea.


http://www.navyhistory.org.au/british-and-german-submarine-statistics-of-world-war-ii/

if submarines are the magical weapons you south africans think they are, all big navies of the world will sell off their warships and buy only submarines. you dont know the technical limitations of submarines in naval warfare.

you think they are spirits that cannot be sunk while they have fun sinking ships, reason why i posted that link for you above.

out of 1,200 german submarines, ships sank 300 of those submarines in world war II, while the submarines sank only 180 of the warships.

who won the battle between ships and submarines ? the ships of course, statistics prove it in real war.

on the average for sea battles, when submarines sink one ship, the other ships sink two submarines also.

in year 2004 American Navy upgraded its anti-submarine capability against even the very modern Gotland class submarine which they wisely bought and experimented with to know how to defeat the Swedish submarine.

no real war has ever been fought in history between a warship with modern sonar and modern submarine. War games are only exercises for training, no live weapons are fired on each other, training is NOT war of fight to finish, kill and be killed.


The weakness of hidden submarines is that once they fire torpedoes, their hidden position is detected and the ship fires anti-submarine torpedoes too.

warships like NNS ARADU at almost 70km/hr moves 10 times faster than submerged submarines of only 7km/hr.

also, NNS ARADU at 70km/hr moves faster than torpedoes of 55km/hr coming from submarines.

enemy submarine moving at 7km/hr is 6 times slower than torpedoes of speed 45km/hr fired by NNS ARADU's.

i just showed you the technical reason why warships sink more submarines in real battle, not your games played between friendly navies that no weapons at all.

In real war, both the warship and submarine have a nearly close balance of power, but war history gives the victory of greater kills in favour of warships.

Worst for the submarine are the Lynx antisubmarine helicopters of Nigerian navy carried on board our NNS ARADU, once a submarine fires torpedoes the location is revealed as well as it's bearings /cardinal point direction at it moves at 7km/hr slow snail speed it will be hunted and sunk because the submarine will be about only 20km away from the ship due to short range of torpedoes.

a nigerian Lynx anti-submarine helicopter armed with its new upgraded year 2014 detector sonar and torpedoes flying safely at speed 300km/hr pursuing a south african submarine just 20km away while the slow submarine is trying to run away at snail slow speed of 7km/hr, it takes on 3 minutes for the helicopter to be exactly over the head of the submarine ! soweto's submarine is going to its sea bed grave for burial that day !

also, submarines hidden and submerged cannot stay more than about 24 hours under water without rushing back to the surface to save diesel fuel from finishing, only nuclear fuelled submarines can stay underwater hidden for weeks and no country in Africa has it.

You think a submarine is a mammy water spirit that cannot be destroyed ? No sir, you got it all wrong !

NNS ARADU, supported by our two new stealth Type 056 warships will lead a nigerian sea invasion of south africa and there will be terror and fear in your country when we arrive your waters !

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Another lesson 1. Sea skimming missiles are not magic or a new thing. 2. The Umkhonto SAM is a point defence missile it protect the ship from the surface of the water until its ceiling (left right,front and behind),saying because it launches vertically won't engage sea skimming missiles is stupid cause after an incoming missile is detected the missile launches guided by radar toward the target(high or low) when the target is close its infrared kicks in locking the missile on the target 3. The USA never bought the Gotland class submarine they leased it 4. The Arandu can't fight a stealth frigate plus a submarine at the same time 5. German U-boats were sunked because they had to surface regularly to charge their batteries,the snorkels installed later in that war would have been trouble 6. YOUR KNOWLEDGE IS QUESTIONABLE.

chris365:

mr man shut up. your security is a joke. all those couldn't stop one man from fooling your government

one man broke your defence and fooled your country on an internationally viewed program with the world leaders in attendance.

what if he had a suicide vest on and his target was Obama? I now see why SA is still a very dangerous place upon the whole technology.

even Desmond tutu was not spared in this kind of embarrassment.

SA Security is joke?. No bombs here but bombs exploding in Nigeria..............That men is used by the ANC for its events,at the moment it looks like his member. All people at that event were scanned. He didn't just come out of nowhere. You're so scared of suicide bombers you think they will attack SA,think again cause SA bush war veterans are highly trained and used as assassins.

South Africa to save Naai-geria from Boko Haram, as per Goodluck Jonathan's hearty plea and cry for help.



AU to adopt SA military initiative

Johannesburg - The African Union (AU) will establish a new military force following a suggestion from South Africa, the international relations and co-operation department said on Tuesday.

"On Monday... the African Union summit [in Ethiopia] adopted a historic decision to establish the African Capacity for Immediate Response to Crises [ACIR], at the initiative of South Africa," said spokesperson Clayson Monyela in a statement.

The proposal was made to tackle ongoing obstacles to peace and security which undermined democratically elected governments.

The AU did not at the moment have an immediate response mechanism, as the process of implementing the African Peace and Security structure was ongoing, said Monyela.

The proposed ACIR was an interim measure, pending the African Standby Force's (ASF) commencement of operations and rapid deployment capability.

Troop commitments

The ACIR was, therefore, not a new concept, but built on the principles of the ASF.
"This interim measure will further provide African countries with the flexibility to take concrete measures to address the challenges in the interim," he said.

This would allow the process of getting the ASF into operation to take place.

President Jacob Zuma told the summit that South Africa stood ready to provide support to deal with urgent matters of the continent.

Following South Africa's pledge of assistance, other countries also pledged their support, and readiness, to contribute to the ACIR.

Monyela said: "South Africa's initiative has thus received broad consensus from member states of the African Union and has been adopted as a decision of the summit."

Asked by Sapa whether any troop commitments had been made by South Africa at this stage, Monyela said that would be "running ahead of the process".

CraigB:
The ACIR was, therefore, not a new concept, but built on the principles of the ASF.

Save yourself first from your delusional state of being! We are very much on standby to help SANDF gain their first victory in war ... call the NA when you are ready for CAR! SANDF will also need original capacity for rapid communication in sign language when the time comes!