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Re: . by Curlieweed: 5:47am On Oct 10, 2018 |
ChinenyeN: I don’t know what you got from his post but the guy displayed a very basic ignorance of our history. We had at least two historical hegemonies in Igboland. The Nri predated Benin by a long time. WTF does he think they used to keep their hegemony alive for such a long time? Magic? Contrary to his claims, the Aros had no Benin influence and had a confederacy that covered a large part of the old Eastern region (well beyond Igboland). How the eff does he think they held that confederacy together? Is it not with a deft combination of diplomacy and military persuasion? As an Ngwa man, you should know the importance Aros attached to diplomacy. They considered diplomacy the greatest leadership trait. Can you compare the Anglo-Aro war with the way the sacking of Benin? 8 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: . by Bede2u(m): 5:50am On Oct 10, 2018 |
Curlieweed:the chinyere guy just dey embarrass us here. Wat does he think 'Aro confederacy' meant. He probably thought it meant aru conference where ppl come and fart 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: . by Bede2u(m): 5:57am On Oct 10, 2018 |
Fools just dey embarrass us here blissfuly. Re-writing our history in our own thread 3 Likes 1 Share
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Re: . by Nobody: 6:05am On Oct 10, 2018 |
pazienza:I saw his mission and called his bluff. He is a non-Igbo and is mission here is DOA. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: . by superlightning: 6:11am On Oct 10, 2018 |
Bede2u: Thank you nwanne. Some people will just come and pour empty grammar in a sick effort to redraw igboland. They think they know much history and so should be followed sheepishly. They almost made us lose anioma people with their nonsense talk of those guys not being Igbo. I remember those times. Delta Igbo were against the larger Igbo because of these same "they-are-not-igbo" talk. Whose fault? The i-t-ks whose stupid pride won't allow them have foresight. Now they are moving down south because they are bitter about a group's reluctance in identifying with them. 1 Like |
Re: . by superlightning: 6:13am On Oct 10, 2018 |
Chiwude: Let me see how you want to de-igbo me as well. Onye ara. Fake monikers causing disunity in igboland. 1 Like |
Re: . by superlightning: 6:15am On Oct 10, 2018 |
Bede2u: Don't mind them. Always thinking they are right. Nothing no matter persuasive their words are will change my age-long notion about igboland. |
Re: . by PabloAfricanus(m): 6:16am On Oct 10, 2018 |
Curlieweed: The Nri were not a hegemony in anyway, except the word hegemony has lost it's meaning. What the Nri had was a caste of priests tasked with performing rites for client clans, and even then they were limited to Northern Igbo clans. I dare you to tell me the oral history the Owerri or Ngwa peoples have of this "Nri hegemony". The Aros were mixed with Ibibios and other Akwa cross peoples, even their Ubini Ukpabi was borrowed too. They relied on Abam, Ada and Ohafia mercenaries for their dirty work as the Aros never had armies. There was no Igbo state or advanced political setup, just like most of the other smaller minorities excluding the Ijaws and a few others. And no, your so called Anglo Aro was cannot be compared to the Binis, Ijebus, Sokoto caliphate who fielded calvaries and a standing ranking army against the British invaders. You need one to even begin to attach the word hegemony to any ethnic group, even Ife despite being off limits to invasion had generals and armies. This is not a diss track though, just stating history as it was. Maybe you can learn from it. |
Re: . by superlightning: 6:30am On Oct 10, 2018 |
PabloAfricanus: Dude, am sorry to say this, you are ignorant and dubious. REPUBLICANISM - The structure nations works with today has always been part of Igbo culture. If it confuses you then seek for education. Igbo politics was decentralized yet held together by a common cultural creed. Eze aro confederated with many clans thus giving rise to the ARO CONFEDERACY. Aro confederacy controlled many territories within and beyond igboland. They also had a diplomatic cum judicial structure. They used NSIBIDI as their writing system. They wrote with on trees, clothes, houses, open skin, etc. Their trade just like the Fulani and Yoruba to the western world and middle east included SLAVERY. Palm oil was also a major cash crop in aro confederacy. They had a structure which is today being lauded by anthropologists and researchers. The British who practiced monarchy could easily relate to the Fulani and Yoruba mornachial structure, but not igboland. Why? Because they (British) were not Republicans. So stop regurgitating ignorance here. Nri dealt more with socio-religious duties of alaigbo. Aro did that too, but concentrated more on expansionism through commerce. Enough of your half-truths. 5 Likes 1 Share |
Re: . by Nobody: 6:33am On Oct 10, 2018 |
pazienza:God knows I sounded this warnings earlier in 2014 and was attacked for saying the truth. Thank God that all the fools carrying PDP on their head will now understand the meaning of interest. My prayer for them is that Atiku doesn't disappoint them, else many won't get hold of themselves. Atiku picking his VP from the SW is his own cup of tea. And all those saying we will rather be apathetic than vote Buhari are fools. Big idiots and should stop speaking studiply in our behalf. These folks do not see the bigger picture with scenarios like this. The picture is that we are slowly learning the meaning of putting Igbo interest first before party loyalty. The Igbo nation should use next year's election as an opportunity to reinvent itself. If Buhari comes giving us a sacrosanct offer then Atiku should shove his impending SW VP in his ass. Ohaneze has said it openly that the Igbo nation shall weigh our option before voting for any candidate and that the SE is not locked for any party. Even from consultation with Buhari so far our Governors and leaders are beginning to weigh their options. The same PDP that many of us are good to praise has shown a high level of disdain times without number towards the Igbo nation. Imagine for 16 years of PDP stay in power the highest position we could attain was Senate President and we saw how we got ridiculed with it. Now after supporting the PDP in their 4 years in abyss the same ridicule is raring it's head again. And somebody will ask me why I'm always fond of slashing the party. I don't blame these people it's the likes of political jobbers likes of Ralph Uwechue, Iwuanyanwu, Peter Obi, Theodore Orji, Pius Anyim and others who sold us cheap in 2011-2015 and please don't ask me why. It time we get our priorities right and think Igbo first. Our interest should come first irrespective of greed by the likes of politicians amongst us. And if that interest means supporting Buhari with a better offer 2019 so be it, unless the PDP mends it ways. Buhari was never a toxic Igbo hater until last 2015 election, truth be told. Maybe the afonja's intoxicated him with their hate on Ndigbo or maybe not, we'll never know. But the truth is that the Buhari that picked Igbo VP consecutively for two elections still have some level of harmony towards us, that we must activate. Igbo interest must always comes first, nothing like over our deadbody shall we vote Buhari, words like this should never condoned politicaally in Igboland because it blurs our interest. 7 Likes 3 Shares |
Re: . by Curlieweed: 6:43am On Oct 10, 2018 |
superlightning: The guy is stubbornly ignorant. Imagine talking about using a cavalry in the tropical rain forest. He’s comparing the Aro with Ijebu that were defeated all in one afternoon. I tire for the guy. I can’t even bring my self to discount most of the ignorant crap he posted. I’ll just ignore the clown henceforth. 4 Likes |
Re: . by superlightning: 6:51am On Oct 10, 2018 |
Curlieweed: I am ready for the guy any day. His ignorance is garnished with grammar. 2 Likes |
Re: . by PabloAfricanus(m): 6:58am On Oct 10, 2018 |
superlightning: Such ignorance. The Aros were traders and slavers, hardly a euphemism for anything hegemonic. You're ignorant about the Nris, as your reply clearly shows. The British installed warrant chiefs for Igbo's, as there was no known or visible leadership structure they could use to administer Igbo land. Is that not a fact? Maybe you are not aware there were no kingdoms or monarchies in Igbo land? The Aros operated mostly among the Southern Igbo clans and didn't have the spread or reach to be considered an expansionist force. Nsibidi was not Igbo and was never used by the Igbo's as a system of writing, if you have any precolonial documents written in Nsibidi, I'd be glad to see them. The British met existing bureaucracies, courts, armies and dynasties when they arrived in Oyo, Bini and Fulani territories. Just read up on indirect rule OK? I understand your ethnic pride is at stake, but historical facts cannot be changed. You need to go back and study your history, you came off sounding ignorant. |
Re: . by ariesbull: 7:07am On Oct 10, 2018 |
PabloAfricanus: I grew up seeing my grandma with nsibidi tattoos and drawing Nsibidi spread throughout the region over time and mixed with other cultures and art forms such as the Igbo uri or uli graphic design.[5] In 1909 J. K. Macgregor who collected nsibidi symbols claimed that nsibidi was traditionally said to have come from the Uguakima, Ebe or Uyanga tribes of the Igbo people, which legend says were taught the script by baboons,[3] although one writer believes Macgregor had been misled by his informants.[14] 1 Like |
Re: . by superlightning: 7:09am On Oct 10, 2018 |
PabloAfricanus: I want to believe you are teachable despite your ignorance . Quit trying to save face. Aro confederacy controlled the southern minorities and parts of Cameroon at the height of their power. Nsibidi an ancient writing system, often believed to have started in ejagham by the ejagham people in cross river only because of the findings of many nsibidi scripts there, was also used by the Igbo, Ibibio and efik people. A simple Google will cure your obvious ignorance. British knew about obi of Onitsha , eze-aro of arochukwu, Igbo and obong chiefdoms and so on, yet they IMPOSED WARRANT CHIEFS on Igbo because the Igbo political system confounded them. They didn't want that. They wanted a system they can easily relate to and manipulate. I can clearly see that you know nothing about Igbo culture and philosophy. There is nothing more self-destructing as HALF-TRUTHS. Sit down and learn. 4 Likes |
Re: . by ariesbull: 7:10am On Oct 10, 2018 |
PabloAfricanus: Your ignorance is amazing and your stupidity is legendary! ukpuru: “ Igbo ukara ekpe cloth designed in eastern Igboland with nsibidi designs in akwete region of abia state https://www.google.com.ng/amp/ukpuru.tumblr.com/post/113003319587/igbo-ukara-ekpe-cloth-with-nsibidi-designs-20th/amp 4 Likes
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Re: . by ariesbull: 7:18am On Oct 10, 2018 |
PabloAfricanus: This yoruba man are you plainly stupid or you were raised to be stupid ? Who is measuring prick with you....get out 3 Likes |
Re: . by ariesbull: 7:19am On Oct 10, 2018 |
superlightning: He is yoruba clown 2 Likes |
Re: . by Nobody: 7:35am On Oct 10, 2018 |
ariesbull:Is it PabloAfricanus that you're calling a Yorubaman? Some of you just label everyone Yoruba, especially when you're on the losing side. If my memories were correct Pabloafricanus has been here on nairaland defending Ndigbo since it was birthed. PabloAfricanus deserves your apology. Him, Ogbuefi, Andre Uweh, Ezeagu, Ifyalways, Safarigirl, Afam4Eva, Chinenye, Bigfrancis, Ajanaoka, Pazienza and others too numerous to mention have stood for Ndigbo here in time past. So show some respect. 1 Like |
Re: . by ghostfacekillar(m): 7:36am On Oct 10, 2018 |
Please we should stop this people from derailing our thread |
Re: . by Bede2u(m): 7:38am On Oct 10, 2018 |
Chiwude:he deserves piss and poo not respect. You are blind to his bold insults of igbos. Re-writing our history and praising backward yoruba old nations. Dont annoy me too bro. 4 Likes 1 Share |
Re: . by Nobody: 7:39am On Oct 10, 2018 |
ghostfacekillar:Know the real imposters. Not the likes of Pabloafricanus who I hardly see in nairaland for years. Unless his account has been hacked. |
Re: . by ghostfacekillar(m): 7:41am On Oct 10, 2018 |
Chiwude:show respect to who? To someone who comes here to insult Ndiigbo without giving us solutions... 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: . by Nobody: 7:42am On Oct 10, 2018 |
ghostfacekillar:I'm still baffled with this personae anti-Igbo stance with that handle. Nairaland has really gone to the dogs. Well, I saw his post and I think he is an imposter. |
Re: . by ghostfacekillar(m): 7:43am On Oct 10, 2018 |
Chiwude:i knw the guy.. I ave been following him but what I don't understand about this people who comes here to blow Grammers is that they cannot provide any solution |
Re: . by Nobody: 7:46am On Oct 10, 2018 |
I'm sorry Ariesbull and ghostfacekiller, that moniker is not the one I used to know. Never will I defend any moniker that is used to denigrate us. This is the 2nd time that I have found myself in between snipers backing some ursupers and it ended badly. I'm very sorry. That moniker is suspicious. He is clearly an afonja. |
Re: . by Nobody: 7:49am On Oct 10, 2018 |
ghostfacekillar:That moniker used to be one of my role models, the same as Ogbuefi's. I think I'm gonna unfollow him straightaway. The dude in that handle is not whom I held with high esteem. |
Re: . by Nobody: 7:54am On Oct 10, 2018 |
Bede2u:Accept my apologies. |
Re: . by ghostfacekillar(m): 8:09am On Oct 10, 2018 |
Chiwude:me too. I am unfollowing him....I don't knw y people are here jst to derail this thread.. Pokenosing in things that doesn't concern them |
Re: . by InyinyaAgbaOku(m): 8:22am On Oct 10, 2018 |
pazienza: Maybe there is sth I don't know. What's there to benefit from accepting those that are Igbo sef? |
Re: . by InyinyaAgbaOku(m): 8:29am On Oct 10, 2018 |
superlightning: If you can do Ikwerre the favour of allowing them to insult your people hoping they will change one day, why shouldn't you reply me? You do worse things. No Biafran group that went multiethnic ever ended without bloodshed. Cos the saboteurs will deal with you. Even Ojukwus Biafra suffered that fate. Your type is in the majority anyway. The same Ikwerre will floor you in the referendum and make Biafra lose votes. |
Re: . by ghostfacekillar(m): 8:30am On Oct 10, 2018 |
InyinyaAgbaOku:they jst want to derail this thread. Nothing more.. So dat we keep discussing and discussing the same thing again |
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