Feraz: ....watch the time frame between when madara with a very long hair approached kisame asking him to join akatsuki.....minato must have been dead by then......if it wasn't uchiha madara, kisame wouldn't have worked for him because his stories have been passed down through the ninja world.....recall kisame saying to madara "show yourself" and madara actually doing that....if we are to rule out the possibility of what minato said about madara being dead, then, we should be able to come up with some hypothesis.....in essence, it's likely that madara actually didn't die when he fought the 1st as we were made to believe but died sometime after meeting pain.....I feel a third party must be introduced.....

rapmike: afta the latest chapter, i can infer:
1. kishi timeline is so bleeped up....imagine MADAra talking abt nagato as if he really talked to him.
2.someone in naruto's group will surely DIE.my guess are kakashi and bee
3.all the kages aint worth the title ..see how gaara body dey ground sef..except aunti tsuande of course
for u guys predicting that naruto and bee will die, i will not follow yr point. who will expect tobi to receive the beating he got from naruto and co? and naruto will give madara some problem, am sure of that..am hoping that bee lives up to his name of jinchuriki of eight tails(naruto has lived up his own, so its bee's turn)
and for una wey dey talk say kakshi is underrated..let not forget that his stamina being low is partially due to the fact that he is not an uchiha, yet he carries the sharingan, he does not have hashirama cells yet he was able to handle sasuke beta than danzo, and that we may not have seen the best of kakashi.
4. am also having a feeling that Madara has a hand in the death of Rin, in order to get Obito

rapmike: afta the latest chapter, i can infer:
1. kishi timeline is so bleeped up....imagine MADAra talking abt nagato as if he really talked to him.
2.someone in naruto's group will surely DIE.my guess are kakashi and bee
3.all the kages aint worth the title..see how gaara body dey ground sef..except aunti tsuande of course
for u guys predicting that naruto and bee will die, i will not follow yr point. who will expect tobi to receive the beating he got from naruto and co? and naruto will give madara some problem, am sure of that..am hoping that bee lives up to his name of jinchuriki of eight tails(naruto has lived up his own, so its bee's turn)
and for una wey dey talk say kakshi is underrated..let not forget that his stamina being low is partially due to the fact that he is not an uchiha, yet he carries the sharingan, he does not have hashirama cells yet he was able to handle sasuke beta than danzo, and that we may not have seen the best of kakashi.
4. am also having a feeling that Madara has a hand in the death of Rin, in order to get Obito

Twisting:

All the Kages tried noting the fact that they fought an Overpowered Madara and he was immortal due to the Edo Tensei summoning and Kabuto's experiment.

And "You cannot win against despicable guys using honest method" i'll fancy Orochimaru facing Madara cuz he'z cunny wt all d experiment who knows.

Parnassuss: Observations-

1.The real Naruto is in the 'Kamui' dimension.
2.Tsunade is as good as dead.
3.That Madara's 'blade' can copy and re-fire ninjutsus.
4.The timeline runs thus - Madara fights the 1st, gets his power, infuses it into a tiny Nagato and implants fake memories - uses Nagato to form the Akatsuki, relocates to the hidden mist and starts running the 3rd, finds and saves Obito, grooms both he and Nagato and dies after attacking 4th.
5.Kakashi and Gai are dead unless that bloody allied forces show up fast.

Parnassuss: Observations-

1.The real Naruto is in the 'Kamui' dimension.
2.Tsunade is as good as dead.
3.That Madara's 'blade' can copy and re-fire ninjutsus.
4.The timeline runs thus - Madara fights the 1st, gets his power, infuses it into a tiny Nagato and implants fake memories - uses Nagato to form the Akatsuki, relocates to the hidden mist and starts running the 3rd, finds and saves Obito, grooms both he and Nagato and dies after attacking 4th.
5.Kakashi and Gai are dead unless that bloody allied forces show up fast.

mchenry:

madara was the one that helped itachi kill the uchiha. he died sometime after that

codeaddict: When I said Tobi was Obito, Y'all dismissed it.

Next2Bezee:

I don't think so, Itachi set Sasuke's MS to activate and kill the "Madara" he had seen before and Tobito was attacked, that says Itachi actually met Tobito not the real Madara. I'd say Madara was already dead then.

Feraz: Firestar, where art thou?

Parnassuss: Observations-

1.The real Naruto is in the 'Kamui' dimension.
2.Tsunade is as good as dead.
3.That Madara's 'blade' can copy and re-fire ninjutsus.
4.The timeline runs thus - Madara fights the 1st, gets his power, infuses it into a tiny Nagato and implants fake memories - uses Nagato to form the Akatsuki, relocates to the hidden mist and starts running the 3rd, finds and saves Obito, grooms both he and Nagato and dies after attacking 4th.
5.Kakashi and Gai are dead unless that bloody allied forces show up fast.

Twisting:

All the Kages tried noting the fact that they fought an Overpowered Madara and he was immortal due to the Edo Tensei summoning and Kabuto's experiment.

And "You cannot win against despicable guys using honest method" i'll fancy Orochimaru facing Madara cuz he'z cunny wt all d experiment who knows.

Brisingr: i guess edotensei brings yoou back at the peak of your power
@paranassuss tanks for plugging the timeline leaks.
Adding time travel to madara already unbelievable party tricks would be an overkill

Parnassuss:

Yea I think its Kabuto's edo tensei that works that way or maybe even just Madara 2.0 cos except him, every massive fighter we have seen has been kinda under-whelming. The 1st and 2nd Kages were SORELY disappointing over time, though we were made to understand that the 3rd could beat them, we see that the 1st was the monster amongst them after-all. Look also at Hanzou, Kakuzu and even Nagato got taken out by ITACHI in 5 seconds flat! Now I'm not taking anything away from Itachi, he is the realest genius in Narutoverse, but Nagato ideally ought to be in the Hashirama-level-shinobi. The only reputable Edo Tensei now has to be Madara and say the former Kages minus Gaara's pop. The 7-Ninja swordsmen were not assesable cos we didn't see them fight.

Kakashi is overrated but as things stand now, he is definitely better than the Mizukage and maybe the Raikage.

Parnassuss:

Yep, there's that. I toyed with the possibility that Madara actually used Obito's eye for that battle and then returned the eye cos it would be another major plothole to consider that Obito did not see Minato's moves coming when he attacked Konoha.

However if we consider the possibility that Obito calculated on the Kyuubi to be transferred to a new host that would be easier to catch once the Akatsuki was ready to start moving (as the Mazou can't seal the 9-tails without the first eight), then we may see that the Konoha attack would have a two pronged tactic: get the senjus to start suspecting the uchihas and in so doing force the uchihas to rebel, and 2ndly to transfer the Kyuubi to a newer and possibly weaker host. There was no reason to try to catch the Kyuubi then, I mean where would the Akatsuki even keep it? The So6P treasures were buried with the Gold and Silver brothers and for all we know the Uzumaki were extinct save Naruto and Kushina and those were the only vessels that could hold the Kyuubi.

I know this theory is very far fetched but Obito would have known without a doubt, just how freaking strong his sensei was, so he never stood a chance against him, Kyuubi or no. Going toe-to-toe with him was utterly pointless if it didn't have a higher purpose.

Saipro: People, we seem to forget that

[size=14pt] 1. Orochimaru is alive & takes sides as he desires
:-X2. If Kabuto emerges from Izanami, it'll mean he's reformed - and still possesses his senin skills (having surpassed even Orochimaru in that aspect)
3. Yamato is alive & IS Hashirama's clone
4. Naruto is yet to attain optimal/maximal power/ability
:o5. Who says the allied army won't eventually use Edo tensei too
:D6. The kages aren't dead[/size]

It's true Kishi seems to suffer amnesia +/- dementia these days, but given the above variables (which he can inject into the allied forces anytime), [b]we fans can be pleasantly surprised in any number of ways

[/b]Oh, and neither the 1st nor 2nd hokages can be resurrected because their souls have been sealed. But an enhanced Yamato should do just fine (which was needed to power the White Zetsu army anyway)

Brisingr: @ea7 i thought of dat to but the first edo tense performed by orochi brought d 1st and the 2nd hokage back to there youth form so it is safe to assume dat edo tense brings u back to your best besides the actual body of the ninja is not needed to perform edo tensei

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Saipro: People, we seem to forget that

1. Orochimaru is alive & takes sides as he desires
2. If Kabuto emerges from Izanami, it'll mean he's reformed - and still possesses his senin skills (having surpassed even Orochimaru in that aspect)
3. Yamato is alive & IS Hashirama's clone
4. Naruto is yet to attain optimal/maximal power/ability
5. Who says the allied army won't eventually use Edo tensei too
6. The kages aren't dead

It's true Kishi seems to suffer amnesia +/- dementia these days, but given the above variables (which he can inject into the allied forces anytime), we fans can be pleasantly surprised in any number of ways

Oh, and neither the 1st nor 2nd hokages can be resurrected because their souls have been sealed. But an enhanced Yamato should do just fine (which was needed to power the White Zetsu army anyway)