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Re: Translating 'Allah' As 'God' by Rashduct4luv(m): 8:44am On Jun 22, 2019 |
Sterope: Alright, but you will agree that will never pray Salah in Yoruba or read the translation of the Qur'an and believe you will earn same reward as one who reads the Qur'an. The Pillar of Islam starts from belief in Allah. Telling the Yorubas to "believe in Olohun" will even sound somehow. Yorubas believe in Olohun before so you have to explain further the concept of Olohun you are dishing out. And that it will be absurd if you start chanting "God is the Greatest...." on Eid day. Or saying Here i am O God here i am... in Hajj. May Allah grant us understanding. Assalam alaikum. |
Re: Translating 'Allah' As 'God' by Rashduct4luv(m): 8:47am On Jun 22, 2019 |
NOL2dworld: Expatiate on all the verses you quoted and tell us which translation/version you are quoting from. We will expose you for who you are now. |
Re: Translating 'Allah' As 'God' by NOL2dworld(m): 9:01am On Jun 22, 2019 |
Rashduct4luv: U still need me to Expatriate? Is the Quran not Quran anymore or is the Bible now different? Go check your Quran and quote me if I am wrong.. |
Re: Translating 'Allah' As 'God' by Rashduct4luv(m): 9:04am On Jun 22, 2019 |
Predstan: Yes, Allah destined you will eat a specific food yesterday but you selected the food yourself of your own freewill. Think. |
Re: Translating 'Allah' As 'God' by Predstan: 9:20am On Jun 22, 2019 |
Rashduct4luv: I will not Quote you anymore because you don’t know your religion enough to explain it... you were born into Islam. So he destined some people to go to hell right. If you were born a Buddhist this is the way u will support it actively... Come back and write intellectually... NB: I was Born a Muslim. Infact, I earn the highest degree of “Idadiy” |
Re: Translating 'Allah' As 'God' by NOL2dworld(m): 9:28am On Jun 22, 2019 |
Rashduct4luv: Most of this verses was quoted from Sahih International. Pickhall, Yusuf Ali, Mohsin Khan and Shakir gives better explanation to this verses. Muhammad Sarwar: Uses God intend of Allah so I don't much believe in his text. And most of the Bible passages was quoted from KJV. Prove me wrong. |
Re: Translating 'Allah' As 'God' by Sterope(f): 9:37am On Jun 22, 2019 |
I don't pray Salah in Yoruba because that requires specific Quranic recitation. However, talking to God doesn't require me to speak Arabic. You can as well tell me the how my personal prayers will go unanswered because it is in Yoruba It is weird to you because your brain is playing tricks on you. You need to resolve the conflict within you to understand. Talking to God in my language is not weird to me, we don't have the same issue. Also, every religious Arab believes in Allah to begin with just like the way every religious Yoruba believes in Olohun. The concept of Olohun differs between a Christian Yoruba, a Muslim Yoruba and a pagan Yoruba. Just like the way the concept of Allah differs between a Muslim Arab, a Christian Arab and a Jewish Arab. We all know that when days Olohun or Allah, the person is talking about a specific being who is also the Almighty God. It is the same way the definition of who Jesus/Isa differs in the Qur'an and the Bible but we can all agree we are talking about the same person. Rashduct4luv: |
Re: Translating 'Allah' As 'God' by ArchAngelos999: 10:01am On Jun 22, 2019 |
tintingz: i just showed you two accounts of one event attributing the cause to two persons: God and satan, but you're avoiding it directing the argument to me and not the issue i presented. You must be experiencing cognitive dissonance. God does not kill people sir, nor does he command men to kill people. if it's not Christ's character, it's not God's character |
Re: Translating 'Allah' As 'God' by ArchAngelos999: 10:10am On Jun 22, 2019 |
Rashduct4luv: i don't know what you mean by a dove being killed, but yes. God went the extra mile out of love, became a man to save men from destruction, to make those men sons of God, to give them total remission of sins and eternal salvation. to fellowship with men and remove fear from them with all your fasting and prayer for many years you cannot confidently say you will enter heaven. even when one of your most devoted dies many of you will still be praying for him to enter heaven. that is because you can never pay the price for eternal life and heaven. That price was paid by God himself when he came in the flesh. No other way. Can you confidently say that God is pleased with you right now? you can't. only in Christ can you have total removal of sin and eternal salvation. Once you're in Christ, you can't go to hell all you have to do is believe that Jesus died for your sins and rose up from the dead and you are saved. that's the a-z of entering heaven because God himself paid that price |
Re: Translating 'Allah' As 'God' by Rashduct4luv(m): 10:42am On Jun 22, 2019 |
ArchAngelos999: Are you sane? A God dies. A God is killed by his creation? Then who is God? Please don't reply me again. 1 Like |
Re: Translating 'Allah' As 'God' by tintingz(m): 10:42am On Jun 22, 2019 |
ArchAngelos999: I don't have strength quoting your God atrocities in the Bible. Read some verses of the Canaanites under Moses and Joshua (Numbers 21:2-3; Deuteronomy 20:17; Joshua 6:17, 21). |
Re: Translating 'Allah' As 'God' by Rashduct4luv(m): 10:45am On Jun 22, 2019 |
Predstan: The matters of the unseen are unknown to anyone but Allah. How do you know i was born in to Islam? I think your parable is like that of a camel carrying books on its back. Bye. |
Re: Translating 'Allah' As 'God' by tintingz(m): 10:50am On Jun 22, 2019 |
Rashduct4luv:You guys don't ask the right question. Before i was created does Allah knows I will eat yam and egg today? |
Re: Translating 'Allah' As 'God' by Rashduct4luv(m): 10:50am On Jun 22, 2019 |
NOL2dworld: Lie No 1 1. Qur'an 3 vs 54 SAHIH INTERNATIONAL And the disbelievers planned, but Allah planned. And Allah is the best of planners. YUSUF ALI And (the unbelievers) plotted and planned, and Allah too planned, and the best of planners is Allah. MUHSIN KHAN And they (disbelievers) plotted [to kill 'Iesa (Jesus)], and Allah planned too. And Allah is the Best of the planners. 1 Like |
Re: Translating 'Allah' As 'God' by ArchAngelos999: 10:51am On Jun 22, 2019 |
Afospecialk: since you avoided the discussion which is allah and eloah i take it that you now see the facts. son of God /God in human flesh: the understanding of the environment Jesus was shows that they mean the same thing. John 10:30 and below shows this. In those verses Jesus said he was the son of God and the people said he was calling himself God. they basically mean the same thing to them. e. g the son of a cat is a cat, the son of a human is a human, the son of God is therefore God. going to the Father through Jesus: when adam sinned man lost intimate Fellowship and relationship with God but through the final payment for the sin of adam/mankind which was done by Jesus that intimacy between God and man is restored. so a man can never and will never have such intimacy with God unless he believes in what Jesus did: his death for sin and his resurrection. when such man believes in that he gets access to God because all his sins has been wiped clean. can you say you have an intimate relationship with God? you can't, it takes removal of sins by the blood of Jesus and that happens only when you believe. Jesus prayed and fasted because haven become a man he must like like a man pastors arguing has nothing to do with this matter. BIG LIE, Muslims all over the world don't believe the same you have at least 70 major sects and in those sects different thoughts. you are probably sunni being from this part of the world, in iran most are shia. there are haditists, like you, you believe in the quran and hadits. there are quranists who do not believe in the hair hadits, only the quran. There are those who want to reform islam and there are those who want it to remain as it is. when you lie people lose their respect for you also there are different qurans, the one you most likely use today, the cairo edition do not agree with many other manuscripts. the Bible tells us not to have images or statues, people who do that are on their own. church of Satan is not a Christian organisation. the Bible clearly warns of those wrong things you mentioned, those guys are fraudsters and their members are ignorant i shouldn't teach Muslims? you clearly are ignorant of this verse Allah SWT said: "So if you are in doubt, [O Muhammad], about that which We have revealed to you, then ask those who have been reading the Scripture before you. The truth has certainly come to you from your Lord, so never be among the doubters." (QS. Yunus 10: Verse 94) [b] Afospecialk: since you avoided the discussion which is allah and eloah i take it that you now see the facts. son of God /God in human flesh: the understanding of the environment Jesus was shows that they mean the same thing. John 10:30 and below shows this. In those verses Jesus said he was the son of God and the people said he was calling himself God. they basically mean the same thing to them. e. g the son of a cat is a cat, the son of a human is a human, the son of God is therefore God. going to the Father through Jesus: when adam sinned man lost intimate Fellowship and relationship with God but through the final payment for the sin of adam/mankind which was done by Jesus that intimacy between God and man is restored. so a man can never and will never have such intimacy with God unless he believes in what Jesus did: his death for sin and his resurrection. when such man believes in that he gets access to God because all his sins has been wiped clean. can you say you have an intimate relationship with God? you can't, it takes removal of sins by the blood of Jesus and that happens only when you believe. Jesus prayed and fasted because haven become a man he must like like a man pastors arguing has nothing to do with this matter. BIG LIE, Muslims all over the world don't believe the same you have at least 70 major sects and in those sects different thoughts. you are probably sunni being from this part of the world, in iran most are shia. there are haditists, like you, you believe in the quran and hadits. there are quranists who do not believe in the hair hadits, only the quran. There are those who want to reform islam and there are those who want it to remain as it is. when you lie people lose their respect for you also there are different qurans, the one you most likely use today, the cairo edition do not agree with many other manuscripts. the Bible tells us not to have images or statues, people who do that are on their own. church of Satan is not a Christian organisation. the Bible clearly warns of those wrong things you mentioned, those guys are fraudsters and their members are ignorant i shouldn't teach Muslims? you clearly are ignorant of this verse Allah SWT said: "So if you are in doubt, [O Muhammad], about that which We have revealed to you, then ask those who have been reading the Scripture before you. The truth has certainly come to you from your Lord, so never be among the doubters." (QS. Yunus 10: Verse 94) [/b] Afospecialk: since you avoided the discussion which is allah and eloah i take it that you now see the facts. son of God /God in human flesh: the understanding of the environment Jesus was shows that they mean the same thing. John 10:30 and below shows this. In those verses Jesus said he was the son of God and the people said he was calling himself God. they basically mean the same thing to them. e. g the son of a cat is a cat, the son of a human is a human, the son of God is therefore God. going to the Father through Jesus: when adam sinned man lost intimate Fellowship and relationship with God but through the final payment for the sin of adam/mankind which was done by Jesus that intimacy between God and man is restored. so a man can never and will never have such intimacy with God unless he believes in what Jesus did: his death for sin and his resurrection. when such man believes in that he gets access to God because all his sins has been wiped clean. can you say you have an intimate relationship with God? you can't, it takes removal of sins by the blood of Jesus and that happens only when you believe. Jesus prayed and fasted because haven become a man he must like like a man pastors arguing has nothing to do with this matter. BIG LIE, Muslims all over the world don't believe the same you have at least 70 major sects and in those sects different thoughts. you are probably sunni being from this part of the world, in iran most are shia. there are haditists, like you, you believe in the quran and hadits. there are quranists who do not believe in the hair hadits, only the quran. There are those who want to reform islam and there are those who want it to remain as it is. when you lie people lose their respect for you also there are different qurans, the one you most likely use today, the cairo edition do not agree with many other manuscripts. the Bible tells us not to have images or statues, people who do that are on their own. church of Satan is not a Christian organisation. the Bible clearly warns of those wrong things you mentioned, those guys are fraudsters and their members are ignorant i shouldn't teach Muslims? you clearly are ignorant of this verse Allah SWT said: "So if you are in doubt, [O Muhammad], about that which We have revealed to you, then ask those who have been reading the Scripture before you. The truth has certainly come to you from your Lord, so never be among the doubters." (QS. Yunus 10: Verse 94) |
Re: Translating 'Allah' As 'God' by ArchAngelos999: 10:55am On Jun 22, 2019 |
tintingz: i see you think your ignorance is bliss |
Re: Translating 'Allah' As 'God' by ArchAngelos999: 10:57am On Jun 22, 2019 |
Rashduct4luv: He died as a man, his human nature died, not his divine nature. you can only kill flesh, you can't kill spirit |
Re: Translating 'Allah' As 'God' by Rashduct4luv(m): 10:59am On Jun 22, 2019 |
NOL2dworld: MISINTERPRETATION & LIE NO 2 MUHSIN KHAN And this Quran is not such as could ever be produced by other than Allah (Lord of the heavens and the earth), but it is a confirmation of (the revelation) which was before it [i.e. the Taurat (Torah), and the Injeel (Gospel), etc.], and a full explanation of the Book (i.e. laws and orders, etc, decreed for mankind) - wherein there is no doubt from the the Lord of the 'Alamin (mankind, jinns, and all that exists). YUSUF ALI This Qur'an is not such as can be produced by other than Allah; on the contrary it is a confirmation of (revelations) that went before it, and a fuller explanation of the Book - wherein there is no doubt - from the Lord of the worlds. SAHIH INTERNATIONAL And it was not [possible] for this Qur'an to be produced by other than Allah, but [it is] a confirmation of what was before it and a detailed explanation of the [former] Scripture, about which there is no doubt, from the Lord of the worlds. Where is satan being god of this world in 2 Corinthians: 2 Corinthians 4:3-4 King James Version (KJV) 3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: 4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them. Blatant liar! I wonder if you fail to understand that each Book have a particular context. |
Re: Translating 'Allah' As 'God' by Rashduct4luv(m): 11:28am On Jun 22, 2019 |
ArchAngelos999: But he did miracles as a man or spirit? When he was asked about the hour he claimed he does not know it. How can God not know something yet everything on earth and in the heaven has been given to him. Tired of this insanity! Alhamdulillah for the blessing of Islam. 1 Like |
Re: Translating 'Allah' As 'God' by Rashduct4luv(m): 11:30am On Jun 22, 2019 |
tintingz: Yes, He knew all things! |
Re: Translating 'Allah' As 'God' by tintingz(m): 11:50am On Jun 22, 2019 |
Rashduct4luv:Ok, so if Allah knew before i was created I will eat yam and egg today, who made that fate? |
Re: Translating 'Allah' As 'God' by ArchAngelos999: 1:20pm On Jun 22, 2019 |
Rashduct4luv: for the umpteenth time, he took on flesh, and there are limitations he experienced. after his resurrection he had nine if those limitations. he was asked the same question after he resurrected, look at this: Acts 1:6-7 [6]When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel? [7]And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power. John 10:30 [30]I and my Father are one. and if you say all that is insane, islam must also be insane for this verse Allah SWT said: "So if you are in doubt, [O Muhammad], about that which We have revealed to you, then ask those who have been reading the Scripture before you. The truth has certainly come to you from your Lord, so never be among the doubters." (QS. Yunus 10: Verse 94) |
Re: Translating 'Allah' As 'God' by Rashduct4luv(m): 2:03pm On Jun 22, 2019 |
ArchAngelos999: More insanity! "You heard that I said to you, 'I go away, and I will come to you.' If you loved Me, you would have rejoiced, because I go to the Father; for the Father is greater than I.'" (John 14:28). John 5:30 "I can do nothing on My own initiative As I hear, I judge; and My judgment is just, because I do not seek My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me. John 7:16 So Jesus answered them and said, "My teaching is not Mine, but His who sent Me. John 12:49 "For I did not speak on My own initiative, but the Father Himself who sent Me has given Me a commandment as to what to say and what to speak. ArchAngelos999: What does scripture mean here? Is it the Bible, which Bible Version? or the Torah? or The Injeel? The Zaboor? The Gospel of Matthew, Mark, Luke & John? The letters to Corinthians, etc or the Pentateuch? or the Apocrypha? |
Re: Translating 'Allah' As 'God' by NOL2dworld(m): 2:14pm On Jun 22, 2019 |
Rashduct4luv: We have 6 differences there, pls don't stop at No: 2.. I will tell u why Allah is a great deceiver.. Allah and Muhammad did not believe in the death of Jesus' and the reason for his death.. If they plan to kill Jesus' and Allah has plan too.. So what's his plan? |
Re: Translating 'Allah' As 'God' by NOL2dworld(m): 2:43pm On Jun 22, 2019 |
Sterope: So U have to pray in Arabic or recite Quranic recitation in Arabic before Allah can hear and answer U.. Almighty and the most high indeed. |
Re: Translating 'Allah' As 'God' by Rashduct4luv(m): 2:44pm On Jun 22, 2019 |
NOL2dworld: Before you continue first agree you are a liar. You wrote deceiver but yet it was planner in three different translations. I cant continue with a liar. You even quoted a wrong Bible verse to discredit the Qur'an. Bye. Till you get healed from telling lies. |
Re: Translating 'Allah' As 'God' by Sterope(f): 2:46pm On Jun 22, 2019 |
Are you alright? NOL2dworld: 1 Like |
Re: Translating 'Allah' As 'God' by NOL2dworld(m): 2:57pm On Jun 22, 2019 |
Rashduct4luv: Wow!!! The best excuse to bail out.. But, that did not change the fact that your Muhammad pee like a girl when he was alive just the way Aboki's pee.. The amazing fact was he was poisoned to death by a Jew woman and dead in the hands of Aishat is 9 year old wife. If U need prove kindly ask.. Atleast he did his best to start a blood thirsty religion. The best religion ever. |
Re: Translating 'Allah' As 'God' by NOL2dworld(m): 3:12pm On Jun 22, 2019 |
Sterope: Every much Okay. What touch me mostly is the fact that 80% of Muslims know a little about the life of Muhammad and his violent ways They only listen to uneducated Imam teachings and believe everything he says.. Your people need to do research about your prophet and compare.. Are we to go with the violent and blood thirsty prophet or with a prophet that preaches peace and practice peace. |
Re: Translating 'Allah' As 'God' by Sterope(f): 3:12pm On Jun 22, 2019 |
You better go and take your meds. NOL2dworld: |
Re: Translating 'Allah' As 'God' by NOL2dworld(m): 3:18pm On Jun 22, 2019 |
Sterope: Is that all U got? Well, Jesus loves U though and he want U to repent of your sins and accept him into your life. If you want to know more about him I will be willing to share. 1 Like |
Re: Translating 'Allah' As 'God' by ArchAngelos999: 4:42pm On Jun 22, 2019 |
Rashduct4luv: you're attempt to feign ignorance is demoralising, i believe you've been more open minded than many others. scripture given to those before Mohammed refers to Jewish and Christian canonical texts: Genesis to Revelations which is Torah, Injeel, Zaboor, Corinthians etc Pentateuch which is actually part of Torah. Bible version? the Hebrew texts were originally written in Hebrew, the New Testament in Greek. what you call Bible versions are translations into other languages like English. naturally there are many synonyms one could translate a word in Greek or Hebrew into, that's what you call versions. versions do not mean they are saying significantly different things the whole scripture points to one person --Jesus. Moses, Abraham, Jeremiah, Isaiah, Daniel etc all wrote in anticipation of Christ. interestingly in each of that segments of scripture you divide you can see prophecies of Jesus in them. what do you think Abraham's attempt to sacrifice his son Isaac was about? do u think God will actually tell a man to kill? no. Abraham got a vision of Christ death, burial and resurrection but he did not understand it. he thought God was asking him to kill his own son. scripture was already made official as at 313AD long before Muhammed was born therefore there's no controversy as to what scripture means. we don't need to invent a meaning for it. so Allah said Muhammed should verify his vision with the Bible. so you must confirm islam with that insanely powerful Bible � shalom-salam |
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