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Usa Congresswoman Shot; Federal Judge Killed; 5 More Dead by isalegan2: 10:50pm On Jan 08, 2011 |
She's a democrat; at a public meeting/appearance in Tuscon Arizona. AP via Yahoo News: http://news.yahoo.com/ TUCSON, Ariz. – Rep. Gabrielle Giffords of Arizona was shot in the head Saturday when an assailant opened fire outside a grocery store during a meeting with constituents, killing a 9-year-old boy and a federal judge and wounding several others in a rampage that rattled the nation. Giffords was among at least 10 people wounded, and the hospital said her outlook was "optimistic" and that she was responding to commands from doctors. The hospital said a 9-year-old child was among the killed, and a U.S. Marshal said a federal judge was also fatally shot in the attack. |
Re: Usa Congresswoman Shot; Federal Judge Killed; 5 More Dead by tpia1: 12:27am On Jan 09, 2011 |
lord have mercy |
Re: Usa Congresswoman Shot; Federal Judge Killed; 5 More Dead by isalegan2: 1:32am On Jan 09, 2011 |
Summary: -She was elected in 2006, so this new session is her 3rd term; -The re-election was close; a tough race, and she actively moved to the right to appeal to conservatives in order to win; -Arizona is the state where they passed the restrictive law against immigrants; -Some are already playing politics, saying it was the anti-liberal and anti-Obama rhetoric and the divisive racially charged politics in Arizona that is the cause, and that this is the culmination; -The shooter is a 22-year old -Married to an astronaut, former Naval officer http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/09/us/politics/09giffords.html And in August 2009, when there were demonstrations against the health care measure across the nation, a protester who showed up to meet Ms. Giffords at a supermarket event similar to Saturday’s was removed by the police when the pistol he had holstered under his armpit fell and bounced on the floor. During the fall campaign, Sarah Palin, the former Republican vice-presidential candidate, posted a controversial map on her Facebook page depicting spots where Democrats were running for re-election; those Democrats were noted by crosshairs symbols like those seen through the scope of a gun. Ms. Giffords was among those on Ms. Palin’s map, which later removed the crosshairs symbols. |
Re: Usa Congresswoman Shot; Federal Judge Killed; 5 More Dead by isalegan2: 1:34am On Jan 09, 2011 |
Tpia, How you dey? I'm checking out the coverage so far. Not much being said about the judge, yet. |
Re: Usa Congresswoman Shot; Federal Judge Killed; 5 More Dead by tpia1: 1:40am On Jan 09, 2011 |
^^i dey here dey look some nlers oh. so far, the incident doesnt seem to have any links to the immigration debate, since the shooter's name isnt foreign. i stand corrected if wrong? And in August 2009, when there were demonstrations against the health care measure across the nation, a protester who showed up to meet Ms. Giffords at a supermarket event similar to Saturday’s was removed by the police when the pistol he had holstered under his armpit fell and bounced on the floor. hmm it doesnt really mean he intended to use it? or maybe he did. |
Re: Usa Congresswoman Shot; Federal Judge Killed; 5 More Dead by preselect(m): 1:43am On Jan 09, 2011 |
The congresswoman was in Sarah Palin's crosshairs list of democrats to be 'targeted' after 'reloading', For voting for healthcare reform. Her office was vandalized after the healthcare vote. now that foolish palin has modified her website. These people just talk nonsense without realizing the consequences, love of guns. Reload. Etc. The poor woman is fighting for her life now. A judge is dead. A 9 year old is dead, six people are dead due to some lunatic. |
Re: Usa Congresswoman Shot; Federal Judge Killed; 5 More Dead by isalegan2: 1:49am On Jan 09, 2011 |
I can't hold anyone responsible other than the misguided shooter. But Tpia, you know American politics, they always want to put their opponents on the defensive right away - they define events before someone else has had a chance to do it. Pre-emptive strikes all the time. |
Re: Usa Congresswoman Shot; Federal Judge Killed; 5 More Dead by isalegan2: 1:52am On Jan 09, 2011 |
pres-elect: They do love their guns! |
Re: Usa Congresswoman Shot; Federal Judge Killed; 5 More Dead by isalegan2: 1:55am On Jan 09, 2011 |
tpia1: Wetin Nlers dey do? Make I come see, right. edited to add: Oh, I think I see what you were talking about. Eeeewwww. And I used to think Politics section is where all the fighting is! |
Re: Usa Congresswoman Shot; Federal Judge Killed; 5 More Dead by spikedcylinder: 2:08am On Jan 09, 2011 |
Jared Loughner is in so much trouble right now. |
Re: Usa Congresswoman Shot; Federal Judge Killed; 5 More Dead by isalegan2: 2:32am On Jan 09, 2011 |
Press conference going on: "5 killed on the scene. . . 1 died at the hospital." Personally, I'm glad that racist publicity seeking Arizano Sheriff (of Maricopa County) Arpaio is no where to be seen. I hate that guy!!! He loves the camera so frigging much. The sheriff giving the press conference is Sheriff Dupnik of Pima County, Arizona. |
Re: Usa Congresswoman Shot; Federal Judge Killed; 5 More Dead by isalegan2: 2:41am On Jan 09, 2011 |
Press conference cont. A bullet in the brain involves very delicate surgery. Former U.S. Surgeon General serving as Giffords family spokesman doesn't appear too optimistic about prognosis . . . critical condition. News analyst summarizing: They think shooter may have had help . . .person of interest. |
Re: Usa Congresswoman Shot; Federal Judge Killed; 5 More Dead by tpia1: 3:19am On Jan 09, 2011 |
hmm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gabrielle_Giffords#Immigration_and_border_security surprising, coming from arizona. |
Re: Usa Congresswoman Shot; Federal Judge Killed; 5 More Dead by tpia1: 3:39am On Jan 09, 2011 |
she has a very interesting website: Extending four immigration provisions on the Arizona Boycotts: |
Re: Usa Congresswoman Shot; Federal Judge Killed; 5 More Dead by isalegan2: 3:57am On Jan 09, 2011 |
Keith Olberman (MSNBC) can be such a blowhard, I swear. I can take only so much of him. But he is totally in his element, putting the "right-wingers" on the defensive. He just mentioned O'Reilly by name. Crazy Irishman will be out for blood come Monday. |
Re: Usa Congresswoman Shot; Federal Judge Killed; 5 More Dead by isalegan2: 3:58am On Jan 09, 2011 |
Teacher, do I have to read all that? I mean, will it be on the exam? Please make una make am open book O. |
Re: Usa Congresswoman Shot; Federal Judge Killed; 5 More Dead by preselect(m): 5:07am On Jan 09, 2011 |
isale_gan2: obviously the shooter is responsible for this mess. That's why he's been arrested. But the toxic vibe that comes from the right cannot be ignored. Crosshairs(the woman took down the crosshairs from her website today) reload 2nd ammendment remedies if we can't win by the ballot remember those statements. You cannot water hatred on hate fertile ground and think there won't ne consequences. Why did palin take out the hit list crosshairs from her website today? Rep gifford's name was there. |
Re: Usa Congresswoman Shot; Federal Judge Killed; 5 More Dead by isalegan2: 5:39am On Jan 09, 2011 |
That wasn't a criticism directed at you. No worries, Here are some readers comments from a reputable newspaper. Just goes to show you, during time of crises, no society is immune from overreaction. In a way, we have all been shot in the head. This country is dying. We either change this country for the better of all people, or we will have civil war very soon. Whenever something like this happens, I become concerned about the future of the United States. Are these kinds of of violence isolated incidents perpetuated by some crazy individual? Or are they symptoms of the end of democratic institutions? Why is there such an alarm of this sort of incident happening in this country? It's mourning in America. http://community.nytimes.com/comments/thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/01/08/live-blog-representative-giffords-shot/?sort=oldest |
Re: Usa Congresswoman Shot; Federal Judge Killed; 5 More Dead by tpia1: 6:01am On Jan 09, 2011 |
seriously, it's getting worrying. people normally have a gloomy outlook even at the best of times, but one has to wonder if the predictions are going to be justified now. i'm sure the US has pulled through worse but things arent looking good now however. |
Re: Usa Congresswoman Shot; Federal Judge Killed; 5 More Dead by montelik(m): 8:22am On Jan 09, 2011 |
Before anyone does a President Obama (remember Henry Gates in Massachusetts) and comments or condemns before all d facts come in. Why not just let d law enforcement officials do their job and investigate before people start jumping to conclusions. Instead pray for the injured and dead. Hope the congress woman pulls through, being shot in the head at point blank range, its a miracle she still made it. |
Re: Usa Congresswoman Shot; Federal Judge Killed; 5 More Dead by tpia1: 8:25am On Jan 09, 2011 |
Tragedy's impact extends to space Alan Boyle writes:Today's Arizona shooting is likely to have reverberations that extend beyond Earth, for personal as well as political reasons. http://cosmiclog.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/01/08/5793827-tragedys-impact-extends-to-space |
Re: Usa Congresswoman Shot; Federal Judge Killed; 5 More Dead by tpia1: 8:27am On Jan 09, 2011 |
montelik: you people should stop stifling free speech. this is getting creepy. are you a nigerian? the suspect has already been named, so what's your point. if you feel it's dangerous to discuss what happened and/or the history of the people and events concerned, then say so without beating around the bush or sounding fake and sanctimonious. |
Re: Usa Congresswoman Shot; Federal Judge Killed; 5 More Dead by tpia1: 8:54am On Jan 09, 2011 |
House suspends vote on health care repeal http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110109/ap_on_re_us/us_shootings_congress_suspended |
Re: Usa Congresswoman Shot; Federal Judge Killed; 5 More Dead by preselect(m): 3:29pm On Jan 09, 2011 |
I hope Sarah palin is happy now. She has taken out her hit list from her website. "take down the govt", mind control" I hope the tea party, Glenn beck etc are happy. When democratic congressmen and women, including congresswoman gifford, had thier offices vandalized after the healthcare vote, people raised alarm over the vitriol coming from the right wing nut jobs. Fox waved it aside. Last yr when tea party candidate Sharon angle of Nevada spoke of 2nd ammendment remedies if they can't win by the ballot, the right wing swept it under the carpet. Today, while all the networks are sorrowfully talking about this tragedy, fox news is making a frantic effort to establish the woman as anti-pelosi blue dog democrat. They are repeating that over and over again and again. They won't mention her office was vandalized by right wing nut jobs last yr or that she was on Sarah Palin's hit list. Montelik can paint whatever picture he wants but the vitriol from the right is gaining practical ground. But remember, in a country where gins are legal and anger is high, nobody can lay claim to a monopoly of violence. |
Re: Usa Congresswoman Shot; Federal Judge Killed; 5 More Dead by isalegan2: 3:56pm On Jan 09, 2011 |
Pres_Elect, Do you hold the other side responsible for her death then? What if the boy was just a nutjob? Sorry, I can't abide the dregs at Fox News. What are they saying? That Giffords is a blue-dog democrat? From what I also read, she did drastically change her liberal-moderate stance on some issues to get re-elected. And she wasn't above sacrificing Speaker Pelosi in the process. I've been a huge fan of Nancy Pelosi for ever and a day, so maybe I'm biased. What's the latest on her condition? Why in the world did that judge make a detour to the event? He'd be alive now. So many questions! Sorry for everyone. P.S. There is no amount of criticism that can be thrown at that hideous Glen Becks that will get my sympathy though. The man is an utter disgrace. |
Re: Usa Congresswoman Shot; Federal Judge Killed; 5 More Dead by preselect(m): 5:30pm On Jan 09, 2011 |
The boy was obviously a nutjob. I don't hold the other side responsible for the killings but let us not pretend that there is no political undertone for this. This is a woman who narrowly defeated a tea party candidate in a district on Sarah Palins crosshairs hit list in a very heated election. The boys Internet postings show that he is a nutjob. When a nutjob talks of govt like govt is an enemy that must be stopped, mind control etc these are tea party Glenn beck talking points. Remember Timothy mcveigh? He was another nutjob rejected by the green berrets, he took it out on some enemy called govt. Killing people. The vitriol that comes from the right is toxic. I'm not saying Glenn beck sent him to shoot people, but the vitriol the right spews out cannot be ignored. The police say the judge is a personal friend of the congresswoman and he just came around to say hello. Tough luck. |
Re: Usa Congresswoman Shot; Federal Judge Killed; 5 More Dead by montelik(m): 6:24pm On Jan 09, 2011 |
@ pres. Please before you have to back pedal any further. Stop pointing d finger until d police at least investigate. It really sad that so many peoples reaction to this has been to drag politics and ideology into the matter, before we have even had a chance to investigate. Christ, please just wait until they investigate and conclude, then you can finger point to your hearts content. |
Re: Usa Congresswoman Shot; Federal Judge Killed; 5 More Dead by blackmann(m): 6:34pm On Jan 09, 2011 |
Just finished watching the press briefing. Doctors are optimistic she will make a recovery. From what was said, she was operated on within 38 minutes of being brought in and within one hour of the shooting. Unfortunately the little kid and the judge didn't make it. Which brings me to the question - do you think we have such facilities back home for such iincidents? I'm not being pessimistic or anything, but if someone is shot in the head back home, do you think there will be such rapid response? |
Re: Usa Congresswoman Shot; Federal Judge Killed; 5 More Dead by montelik(m): 6:56pm On Jan 09, 2011 |
^^ Sadly no. After all, simple internal bleeding killed DaGrin. |
Re: Usa Congresswoman Shot; Federal Judge Killed; 5 More Dead by preselect(m): 7:16pm On Jan 09, 2011 |
@blackmann, if you are shot in the head in naija you are dead. Nigerian law states that bf a bullet wound is treated the doctor must get clearance from the police. You tell me how long that will take. For the sake of peace let us not even go into the state of our health facilities. @montelik, read my post again. I'm not saying the right wing talk shows sent this nutjob. All I'm saying is what the sheriff of that county had said. He said we (Americans) must do a soul searching with regards to his vitriol I'm talking about. He said it may be free speech but it's not without consequences. He even called arizona the Mecca of this kind of hhate filled political rhetoric. So I'm just echoing the sheriff. Okay? You guys can bury your heads in the sand and live on denial ( like those who keep claiming that he civil war wasn't about slavery) truth is immutable. |
Re: Usa Congresswoman Shot; Federal Judge Killed; 5 More Dead by isalegan2: 7:23pm On Jan 09, 2011 |
FBI Director Mueller is doing his shtick now. So the dead are: 1) The federal judge, John Roll, the Chief Judge of US District Court in Arizona; 2) The 9-yr-old, Christina Taylor Green; 3) The Congresswoman's aide, 30-yr old Mr. Gabriel Zimmerman; Who are other 3? edited: Jan 10: 4) 76-yr old Dorothy Morris, lifelong republican who attended event with her husband who was also shot; 5) 76-yr old Dorwan Stoddard who attended event with his wife who was wounded; 6) 79-yr old widowed great-grandmother, Phyllis Schneck. |
Re: Usa Congresswoman Shot; Federal Judge Killed; 5 More Dead by isalegan2: 7:33pm On Jan 09, 2011 |
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/01/09/live-blog-latest-developments-on-arizona-shooting/?hp Roxanna Green, the mother of the nine-year-old girl who was killed in the Arizona shootings, said she was called by a friend to say that she should get to the hospital quickly on Saturday. "We just all rushed over there," Ms. Green said on Fox News (see video below). "They told us the bad news, that she had a bullet hole through the chest. They tried to save her but she just couldn't make it. I saw her right after that. I spent a lot of time with her and said goodbye to her." |
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