Emusan:


With your last paragraph, I don't think you fully understand.



Yes you're right and that is the essence of this thread, which means SEUN isn't bound by the rules because you can't have admin access and still be limited.



Laws of PROGRAMMING is different in this case and outside Nairaland.

The fact that Nairaland still stand today is an evidence that SEUN can't be limited by the rules because had it been he is limited it will be very difficult to recover.



Nobody says this!

kingxsamz:
lol, this guy. You're still on this?
I thought I shut you up already. You can't make use of a logic and select what part of the logic that suits your agenda. The owner of Nairaland is bound by the rules on Nairaland in terms of commenting, posting, creating threads. Even his account was created. His site can still be attacked. The government can still shut down his website, he can't post without clicking the buttons. I'm sure you can't apply the same logic for your god. Your thread is a lost cause. Rest in Jesus name.

Magnoliaa:


Lmaooooo. No, seriously, is this how you people atheise your atheism? What's this deliberate ignorance and false equivalence?? ?? ?? The OP isn't equating their humaneness or any imperfections in Séun. Just pick the point of BOTH Creation's power and ability. That IS the quality being compared and bringing in any other thing else is just deflection, as YOU specifically made the point that, someone who make rules and break them is not worthy of worship, because of THAT. If Se.un is God, and Nairaland is the earth, then there'd be no other power or influence (programming laws, governmental bans, hackers) or anything to limit him; so does it make sense to you how a creator cannot be bound by their laws? Because they literally created the laws. Whether he asks us to worship him is beside the point, as some of you are saying here.

Which means as A CREATOR he isn't bound by the rules of Nairaland.

God also as the CREATOR OF THE UNIVERSE can't be bound by the laws that governed the universe.

kingxsamz:
...Seun is still bound by certain rules and protocols on Nairaland.

Dtruthspeaker:


The Word is "if he chooses to"! If he says he is not going to tie himself to his rules, nothing his rules can do.

A Person is Always greater than his creations and Seun's rules are his creation, therefore Seun is Above his rules.

But at his will and pleasure he can choose to follow them.

But at any instant he does not want to, his rules must bow to him.

It is exactly as you giving a law that everyone should be in your house at 10pm but certainly, that law can not hold to you, even if you choose to obey it.

The Creator of A Law is Always above and greater his Law!

kingxsamz:


Yeah, but Seun would have to follow the rules and procedures like every other member if he wants to comment, post and create threads. There's nothing he can do to bypass that. He's still under his own rules which negates the OP.

kingxsamz:
lol, this guy. You're still on this?
I thought I shut you up already.

You can't make use of a logic and select what part of the logic that suits your agenda. The owner of Nairaland is bound by the rules on Nairaland in terms of commenting, posting, creating threads. Even his account was created. His site can still be attacked. The government can still shut down his website, he can't post without clicking the buttons. I'm sure you can't apply the same logic for your god. Your thread is a lost cause. Rest in Jesus name.

kingxsamz:
Yeah, but Seun would have to follow the rules

and procedures like every other member if he wants to comment, post and create threads. There's nothing he can do to bypass that.

He's still under his own rules which negates the OP

Dtruthspeaker:


He has proven that he can post outside threads, which is what you see in the front page at the bottom

"Nairaland. Copyright © 2005 - 2021 Oluwaseun Osewa. All rights reserved. See How To Advertise. 17
Disclaimer: Every Nairaland member is solely responsible for anything that he/she posts or uploads on Nairaland."

Emusan:


See how you're priding in your ignorance when it's so obvious to people here that you don't even understand the OP.



That's why I keep wondering how the people who always PARADING THEMSELVES as having highest IQ than religious people usually making use of this IQ.

Even though, you point is out of the OP but to grant it, YES! I can apply the same logic to my God.

You people always want God to REVEAL HIMSELF but how can God do this in His ALMIGHTINESS and human will understand Him?

That's why like SEUN (clicking reply button, creating account e.t.c to be part of Nairaland as HAVING THE ADMIN ACCESS) God also took part in His creation:

1. By becoming a Human to take away sin
2. He appeared to Abraham in form of Man
3. He eat food that human being eats e.t.c

But just like some one said above, you didn't understand the OP, so I don't need to say much.

Which means as A CREATOR he isn't bound by the rules of Nairaland.

God also as the CREATOR OF THE UNIVERSE can't be bound by the laws that governed the universe.

Emusan:


The same point shows you don't understand the OP because that was the reason for this thread in the first place


If SEUN has to follow the rules, how come he was able to create topic and comment under ISLAM FOR MUSLIMS section without taking the OATH?



Procedure is different from rules!

Didn't God follow the same procedure to interact with man by becoming man? Do you see that as procedure or myth?



Seun isn't under HIS OWN rules, if not he won't be able to create topic and comment under Islam for Muslims section without taking the OATH.

God also as the CREATOR OF THE UNIVERSE can't be bound by the laws that governed the universe.

kingxsamz:


Which kind poor defense be this?
I'm talking about posting, commenting and making threads on sections on Nairaland, not the example you brought up.
If he wants to do those things, there's no other way he can do it apart from the steps other members took.

Dtruthspeaker:


We are talking about his ability in here and he can always post contrary to the rules in here eg. He can be vulgar, advertise, insult, post lewd contents in religious section contrary to what his rules say.

His bots and mods will be paralyzed when they see his posts!

God also as the CREATOR OF THE UNIVERSE can't be bound by the laws that governed the universe.

kingxsamz:


Not when your guy have said this...

We can see that Seun is still bound by the system. You can't choose one and drop the other one. So, you haven't said anything different.

Dtruthspeaker:


And the counter is because Seun chooses to be so bound by his own volition exactly as you choose to be home before 10pm according to your own law.

kingxsamz:


Sorry, e no work.
Seun can't comment or open threads without the usual way of the system.
If he chooses not to ever comment, that's his business, but the moment he decides to, he's bound by the system's mode of operation.

Which automatically cancels your friend's statement that his god cannot be bound by the laws and system of the universe.
Sorry but your friend fell into his own hole.

Dtruthspeaker:


I am certain he means God can choose to be bound to His Laws, as He did when He walked on the ground and ate as us yet He Still Above The Law, as He Showed when He also Walked upon the sea, Removed Himself from the grave and put aside The Law of gravity when He Lifted Himself up above and beyond the clouds in proof of the fact that A Lawgiver is Always Above and Beyond the power of His Laws exactly as your 10pm rule has no power hold over you.

I am certain this is what he had in mind when he raised this thread.

Emusan:

That's why:
1. Seun can't ban himself either by any of his moderators or antibot

2. Seun can't restrict himself or take an oath in Islamic section before creating a thread/commenting even though he is an Atheist.

3. Seun can't deactivate his own account as anybody can do which means the day Seun deactivated his account is the day Nairaland ended.

In short, the rules or laws of Nairaland can be bound on Seun.

Now put God in the position of Seun, does it make sense to you as an Atheist?

kingxsamz:


The comparison still doesn't make any sense any way you want to twist it.
The logic is flawed. If you're going to use an online forum controlled by a human as an equation to your god and its rules, might as well include every other aspect. You don't get to pick and chose. If there's holes in your logic, it doesn't work. Seun is still bound by certain rules and protocols on Nairaland.

kingxsamz:


Then his comparison with his god and Seun makes no sense. Seun cannot make comments without following the procedures other members do. You claim your god can break the laws of physics, walk on water and do supernatural stuff. Seun can't do such by commenting and posting without being bound by the system. Take it or leave it, it's a lame analogy. He might have had a point, only maybe if he found the right scenario to use as an example. This one is not it. E no go, E no enter. I'm done with this discussion.

LordReed:
While I can see what you are trying to say I have some objections.

You don't know how the NL moderating structure is setup so you are in no position to say this. Also Seun can easily change it such that a moderator can ban him.

Seun not being subject to that rule doesn't mean he CAN'T be subject. Once again he can make that change for whatever reason he deems fit.

Not necessarily true. If Seun sells Nairaland he will need to devolve himself of all privileges he used to enjoy and if under that circumstance he deactivates his account nothing happens to NL.

Like I said I see what you are saying and it only makes sense if your god has limitations.

Emusan:


Beautiful, so if Seun actually did that, will you consider him to be too WEAK for HIS OWN moderators to have power to ban him?

Like you consider it ridiculous for God to become a man and got killed by His own creation?

You've said it ALL by saying "he CAN'T BE SUBJECTED"

Don't you think this is how Bible describes God too?

If "HE SELLS" that closed the case.

You still haven't proved how Seun has limitations AS THE OWNER OF NAIRALAND yet.

Magnoliaa:


No. No. No. No! What?? Lmaoo. It's you getting the whole logic thing wrong. Are you telling me that if I pointed out the selfishness in me and the selfishness in Buhari to show the selfishness of human nature, that means Buhari and I are same in every other respect?? Or scientists that note some similarities between us and animals are saying animals have culture and language as well or we have the strength of animals, or that we lay eggs??

Do you believe that Se.un as the creator of Nairaland has the power and ability to do things we cannot do as users? Do you believe he has access to sections, etc., we do not have access to? You mentioned things Seun can do IN TERMS of commenting and quoting like we do, but in other terms can do things we cannot do like deleting a thread, banning users? Se.un commented on an Islam thread without the oath. He obviously bypassed that law. Seun is obviously not the creator of the Internet nor rules of programming codes or the processes he used in setting up Nairaland, so I agree he can't bypass those, but the running of the site, the ingenue things and processes Seu.n created entirely on his own by creating Nairaland are subject him and he can do as he wishes. Seu.n can comment on diary posts. Creators of things have access to (do) things users of the products cannot. So they are boundless in that sense. A developer of a security app, for example, can/will know how to bypass the pin lock required for other people to use a system. The lock is perfect for the use and the people it was created for, but the creator can access your privacy without the pins and passwords. Or another way to look at it, Se.un is a human and a programmer. Se.un is not a program, nor a code. So yes, by virtue of Seun being a human he CANNOT become a code to live as zeros and ones. Programming laws do not rule him. Same with God. He isn't human. And is not subject to our ways. But as a programmer/creator of earth, he knows about codes and understands them and can set them up to be anything. Seu.n can create a computer simulation of himself, or input some data gotten from his finger prints/scans into the computer and recreate himself in that electronic world. Then "he" can become a data, so he's half real and half a phantom. And remember his human self is still the operator of that computer, as a programmer, he can make his electronic self in the computer acts in ways that aren't completely different from the other codes in the computer.

Is the Nairaland analogy your issue here? Or the point he's trying to make concerning a creator's/creation's power?

I can turn words into stories and people. But I am not a word, and grammatical/literature laws do not rule me. I can use the words to infuse myself as a character into the story and I can make myself a semi-god, in that book village. Intentionally revealing the plans of the villain to the characters, who are my mental creations but in the book act as their persons and can even unravel a different plot contrary to my intention. Before you accuse me of relating humans to fictional creatures in God's mind, bear in mind the context of our existence and forms. We're made up of consciousness, blood, bones, and exist in a geographic space. God as the Spirit Creator of everything exists outside that, can come in, manipulate, leave us be with our wills and so on and so forth, the way a writer, in the creative realm can do with words, papers and characters.

HellVictorinho:


Do you listen to rap?

Magnoliaa:


Pardon?

HellVictorinho:


Do you listen to rap music

Yes or No


What else?

Lol. I understand your question, I just didn't get where it was coming from when I was talking I was talking about God and creation and computers. I thought you were coming like with a badass rebuttal?
Anyway, yes. I listen to rap. I enjoy it. Nicki Minaj and Megan thee Stallion are my favorites. The males...I don't bother with their names or following up, so I don't know who sang which most times. Then Olamide and Phyno. I don't know why there's hardly any local-based female rapper.

Magnoliaa:


Lol. I understand your question, I just didn't get where it was coming from when I was talking I was talking about God and creation and computers. I thought you were coming like with a badass rebuttal?
Anyway, yes. I listen to rap. I enjoy it. Nicki Minaj and Megan thee Stallion are my favorites. The males...I don't bother with their names or following up, so I don't know who sang which most times. Then Olamide and Phyno. I don't know why there's hardly any local-based female rapper.

HellVictorinho:


If I release any rap song, I will let you know.

Emusan:


Still didn't get the point,do you?



But Seun is a MEMBER?
The same God who heaven is His throne and EARTH His footstool....

It's evident you don't understand the OP

Nothingserious:


Pls don’t mind that Kingxsamz guy.
He is missing the point.

I get your logic. It’s apt.
God can and actually does do what he wishes in his sovereignty without answering to anyone.

That explains miraculous events that appear to humans to be a break in laws of nature.

At an early stage of learning how to drive or performing surgery or playing guitar, one sticks to rules and standard procedures. But one is surprised to learn that experts in such fields most times deliver masterpieces without following the rules and they get the job done.

I remember when we were learning calligraphy in Sec school. We were taught to draw lines and follow patterns. We thought everyone would do same in real life until I saw artists pick up their brushes and just start writing without following rules we were taught. And they always got the job done.

Seun can do what he wants without answering to anyone. Yet most atheists wonder why the sovereign God would or could do things that seemingly appear to break his set laws in nature in a world designed by him.