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Re: Why The Attack On Feminism?(a Feminist Perspective) by cooooooks(m): 12:24am On Aug 15, 2021 |
What are you talking about? The guy said something about the "leadership of the man due to the woman carrying the man's name". I simply gave an example that, I think, refutes the idea that there has always been 100% leadership of men on all fronts. Magnoliaa: 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Why The Attack On Feminism?(a Feminist Perspective) by Kobojunkie: 12:27am On Aug 15, 2021 |
cooooooks:So according to the dictionary.. fem·i·nism You chose to consider a woman who hates men a "self-acclaimed" feminist because? 2 Likes |
Re: Why The Attack On Feminism?(a Feminist Perspective) by cooooooks(m): 12:28am On Aug 15, 2021 |
For starters, there is no actual feminism to attack, in my view, because it is a nebulous term. Even if there were a feminism to attack, I wouldn't want to attack. I think there have to be women's rights advocates just as there have to be men's rights advocates. Also, I am neither feminist, nor anti-feminist, nor red pill. If I'm any "ist", or "ian", I'm a humanist and an egalitarian. Magnoliaa: |
Re: Why The Attack On Feminism?(a Feminist Perspective) by cooooooks(m): 12:29am On Aug 15, 2021 |
I consider a woman who calls herself a feminist to be a self-acclaimed feminist. -_- I think that is an apt description. Kobojunkie: 1 Like |
Re: Why The Attack On Feminism?(a Feminist Perspective) by cooooooks(m): 12:32am On Aug 15, 2021 |
I think there is credence to this statement. The ism or statement is irrelevant. What the person is saying is relevant. So I respond to the statement made and not the ism inferred. Magnoliaa: |
Re: Why The Attack On Feminism?(a Feminist Perspective) by Kobojunkie: 12:33am On Aug 15, 2021 |
cooooooks:Oh, so now every woman is a a "self-acclaimed" feminist. OK! Now, what does it matter to a woman's self-acclaimedness if she admits to hating men? Is her self-acclaimedness diminished in some way or is the definition of feminism itself altered simply based on her personal dislike of men? 3 Likes |
Re: Why The Attack On Feminism?(a Feminist Perspective) by cooooooks(m): 12:34am On Aug 15, 2021 |
If a woman tells me she is a feminist, who am I to tell her that she is not a feminist? Kobojunkie: |
Re: Why The Attack On Feminism?(a Feminist Perspective) by Kobojunkie: 12:35am On Aug 15, 2021 |
cooooooks:Again.... Now, what does it matter to a woman's self-acclaimedness if she admits to hating men? Is her self-acclaimedness diminished in some way or is the definition of feminism itself altered simply based on her personal dislike of men? 3 Likes |
Re: Why The Attack On Feminism?(a Feminist Perspective) by cooooooks(m): 12:37am On Aug 15, 2021 |
I don't think this comment is entirely logical. If toughchic is championing 'feminism' on NL, isn't she one of those who is championing the 'movement'? Why then does it not matter how she sees it? Who are the people at the 'forefront'? (Also, is there a battlefield?) advanceDNA: |
Re: Why The Attack On Feminism?(a Feminist Perspective) by cooooooks(m): 12:45am On Aug 15, 2021 |
The picture I replied to said: "Don't allow men who hate women to define feminism as women who hate men ". We seem to have accepted that there are some self-acclaimed feminists who say they hate men or that men should be hated, etc. Personally, I ascribe no definitions to the term. However, it is conceivable that someone (man or woman) could come across such a man-hating self-acclaimed feminist, or even a number of similar people, and associate man-hating with feminism in their minds. Kobojunkie: |
Re: Why The Attack On Feminism?(a Feminist Perspective) by Magnoliaa(f): 1:20am On Aug 15, 2021 |
cooooooks: Okay. Your comment made it seem as if you were trying to point to the history of equality between men and women and so no need for the clamors now. 2 Likes |
Re: Why The Attack On Feminism?(a Feminist Perspective) by Magnoliaa(f): 1:39am On Aug 15, 2021 |
cooooooks: Nope. This is the same thing you concluded as with the other thread. Imagine three friends A, X and C. A and C are separated, do not see each other for some reasons and X has access to both, but X hates C and so everytime X sees A, X tells A lies about how C hates X. X is the one who hates C; C is guiltless of any hate. If I walked up to A and told A not to allow X, who hates C, to sell C as someone who hates X to them, I have not accepted that C is an hater. There are spouses who poison their kids' mind against their husbands/wives. If I told the kids not to allow their mum define their father as a man who hates them, to them -- am I saying their father is an actual hater or I'm simply highlighting the redefinition of their mother? Into something their father is not? Lol... is this like an English or grammar thing here you're misunderstanding here? 2 Likes |
Re: Why The Attack On Feminism?(a Feminist Perspective) by cooooooks(m): 2:05am On Aug 15, 2021 |
Ok. I don't see how that was gleaned from my comment but no worries. Magnoliaa: |
Re: Why The Attack On Feminism?(a Feminist Perspective) by cooooooks(m): 2:09am On Aug 15, 2021 |
How can A, X and C be "friends" if X hates C? And who are you in relation to A, X, and C? How do you know who hates who? Why should A believe you or take what you say as gospel? Perhaps, as you suggest, the grammar is faulty. I dunno. This analogy seems confusing and unrelated to the topic. Magnoliaa: 1 Like |
Re: Why The Attack On Feminism?(a Feminist Perspective) by Wawelexy(m): 2:19am On Aug 15, 2021 |
Kobojunkie:................................... How many women want to be men? May be you should ask the likes of tonto dike, iyabo ojo, weird mc, mercy aigbe e.t.c. (not only in appearance)... The also want to do what is expected of men. So, you educate yourself by knowing that equal right for both gender is not possible as one is wired by nature to dominate, love, and protect while the other is to be submissive, show affection and support..... Yot won't ask for equal rights when it comes to hard labour. Yeye |
Re: Why The Attack On Feminism?(a Feminist Perspective) by Kobojunkie: 2:28am On Aug 15, 2021 |
Wawelexy:Please stop emotional babbling already! All of those you mentioned are women who have expressed that they want to have equal rights as men in society, something you in your deluded state interpret instead to mean they want to be men. If they wanted to be men, then they could easily accomplish that by going under the knife, and not by agitating that the laws be changed for this purpose. Equal rights for both gender have been achieved in much of the developed world and is flourishing to date. Why many of you continue to use the word "impossible" to qualify is beyond me. Even more absurd is your fear or the other gender being given the same rights that you have enjoyed for so long. You won't ask for equal rights when it comes to hard labor? So women in that country who are already doing the same hard labor you speak of are doing what? Why must some of you resort to eejit level reasoning when discussing issues. What do you think the word EQUAL means? I am afraid that a mass re-education of the Nigerian male may be necessary in order to many of you properly process and realize that your existence as Lords over women was only an illusion created and maintained by the law. But now that the law is to be updated with the times, that delusion has to die and that illusion shattered so that as a people, Nigerians can too embrace a better and brighter future. 5 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Why The Attack On Feminism?(a Feminist Perspective) by Magnoliaa(f): 2:34am On Aug 15, 2021 |
cooooooks: The second analogy, nko?? No seriously? Now you're just being--- If you have to be asking me who I am in relation to the "people" in those examples, and cannot just take the idea I'm trying to pass across, no problem. I'll see it's a deliberate act on your part not to get it. 2 Likes |
Re: Why The Attack On Feminism?(a Feminist Perspective) by Kobojunkie: 2:42am On Aug 15, 2021 |
cooooooks:Who are "we" and why is the opinion of this "we" of any real importance to you or the movement ? 3 Likes |
Re: Why The Attack On Feminism?(a Feminist Perspective) by Magnoliaa(f): 2:42am On Aug 15, 2021 |
cooooooks: Wtffff. No, seriously?? Wtfffff. How do people still continue to stay with people who abuse them?? Why do children continue to live under parents who beat them? How do people who don't see eye to eye, hate each other, continue to be in the same space and clique?? Forming a camaraderie on the surface? Or if I had said they used to be friends, are not on speaking terms because of consistent insults and bad behaviour from one party to the other, you still won't get it, abi? No wahala. Mtcheeeewwww. 4 Likes |
Re: Why The Attack On Feminism?(a Feminist Perspective) by Magnoliaa(f): 2:45am On Aug 15, 2021 |
Kobojunkie: Lmaoooooooo. This is becoming hilarious to me as it "progresses." Nice one of you categorizing others with yourself or whoever, Cooks. 3 Likes |
Re: Why The Attack On Feminism?(a Feminist Perspective) by Magnoliaa(f): 2:51am On Aug 15, 2021 |
cooooooks:Please, address my second analogy o. Please. Before I'll know what to finally decide on this conversation and what you're doing. Plussss, this response of yours to my comment you quoted was about THE PICTURE. This is about the picture Amazon posted that you responded to on hate and redefinition of feminism. It's NOT about the topic of the thread. 2 Likes |
Re: Why The Attack On Feminism?(a Feminist Perspective) by Wawelexy(m): 2:51am On Aug 15, 2021 |
You won't ask for equal rights when it comes to hard labor? So women in that country who are already doing the same hard labor you speak of are doing what? Why must some of you resort to eejit level reasoning when discussing issues. What do you think the word EQUAL me................ Lolz, women are now doing hard labor? Let's have the stats. 1 out of 50women? Joker! Copy the western world all u want, doesn't changes the facts nature holds... Even it has been proven scientinfical, biblically(and other religious books), naturally, and was also clearly replicated in lower animals that the female sex are the weaker version of humans. What else do u need to know before u succumb to nature. ***DAMNNNNN*** |
Re: Why The Attack On Feminism?(a Feminist Perspective) by cooooooks(m): 2:58am On Aug 15, 2021 |
We is you and I. And I said seem to be as I may have misread your comment. There is no movement. Kobojunkie: 1 Like |
Re: Why The Attack On Feminism?(a Feminist Perspective) by cooooooks(m): 3:00am On Aug 15, 2021 |
From your perspective, in your own analogy, X hates C but C doesn't hate X. So what is your vantage point in the analogy? Why I am asking is because you appear as the arbiter of what is false, correct in the analogy (you created the analogy so obviously you ARE the arbiter). Who is the corresponding arbiter of truth in any ism? Magnoliaa: 1 Like |
Re: Why The Attack On Feminism?(a Feminist Perspective) by cooooooks(m): 3:02am On Aug 15, 2021 |
Clarify the bolded. Is the redefinition OF the mother or redefinition BY the mother? It reads like it should be by. Awaiting the clarification. Magnoliaa: 1 Like |
Re: Why The Attack On Feminism?(a Feminist Perspective) by cooooooks(m): 3:04am On Aug 15, 2021 |
Awaiting clarification of the 2nd analogy. Someone posted a picture on the thread and I replied to that picture. You and some other user are replying to my reply to that picture on the thread. If you feel the content of the picture does not fit the thread, take that up with the person who posted the picture. Magnoliaa: 1 Like |
Re: Why The Attack On Feminism?(a Feminist Perspective) by Kobojunkie: 3:05am On Aug 15, 2021 |
Wawelexy:Again, equality has been achieved by law in many developed countries and both the male and female of the species are thriving under those laws. So I am not certain what you are still whining about. 4 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Why The Attack On Feminism?(a Feminist Perspective) by cooooooks(m): 3:05am On Aug 15, 2021 |
The "we" refers to just 2 people, those in conversation. Who are the others? Magnoliaa: 1 Like |
Re: Why The Attack On Feminism?(a Feminist Perspective) by cooooooks(m): 3:10am On Aug 15, 2021 |
There was no context as to who A, X, and C were. Just that they are friends. I think in that case, it is safe to assume that they are adults or young adults who can end their friendship as a group or individual friendship with each other at any time. The same can't always be said about people in abusive relationships, work environments, or (especially) children. If I have a friend and they hate me, I likely no longer have a friend. Can one hate their friend? Are you Magnoliaa: 1 Like |
Re: Why The Attack On Feminism?(a Feminist Perspective) by Wawelexy(m): 3:16am On Aug 15, 2021 |
Kobojunkie:................................... Anyone that always use the western world as a standard to ALL his/her daily live would surely end up having issues with self happiness. 1 Like |
Re: Why The Attack On Feminism?(a Feminist Perspective) by Kobojunkie: 3:23am On Aug 15, 2021 |
Wawelexy:I said developed world, and not western world. And obviously, since women are subclass citizens in much of Africa and much of the under developed world, it would make no sense for even begin to mentored any of them now, would it? Issues with "self happiness"? If you found yourself living in a gutter, do you look up and out for a way out of what amounts to a predicament or do you keep your head down so you don't have issues with "self happiness"? 1 Like |
Re: Why The Attack On Feminism?(a Feminist Perspective) by Magnoliaa(f): 3:38am On Aug 15, 2021 |
cooooooks: Lewl. This is easy. Try again. If someone comes to badmouth someone else you do not know to you, what would you do? Conclude the person being painted bad is bad? 1 Like |
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