coogar:
you are a lunatic.....
hernandez and edin dzeko are good examples that sitting on the bench via rotation is motivational. a striker would score goals anytime he's called upon to do business. ba does not suffer any confidence crisis. he does not get many chances!

dayokanu:
Only a morron uses exceptions to argue.

I am sure there would be a child who grew up without both parents to because a responsible adult it would be retardded to argue that why cant every orphan be that.

Demba ba Had at least 3-4 face to face chances with the keeper today and he wasted them all How many of such chances does a striker need to score a single goal

Demba ba is a very good striker suffering from inadequate playing time. The same way he suffered the 2nd half of last season

dayokanu:


Demba ba Had at least 3-4 face to face chances with the keeper today and he wasted them all How many of such chances does a striker need to score a single goal

Demba ba is a very good striker suffering from inadequate playing time. The same way he suffered the 2nd half of last season

jackbauersballs:

Thank God for Opta stats that prove what I saw...

How can a man playing from a WITHDRAWN position have more shots than his striker?

And you say the Striker is having chances?

My question was, Is Ba a SIGNIFICANT improvement over Torres?

Ba did not have a single shot in the 2nd half...Not a single shot.

There is something wrong when previously free scoring strikers cease to perform when brought to the bridge!

nateevs:


Stop distorting facts. Chicarito, Dzeko score goals even though they don't play regularly.
At least they score more regularly than Ba at Chelsea. The true question is how many of those chances does Ba get per game?
When was the last time Ba got three clear chances in one game?

Secondly, the reason Ba did not score as many goals second half of last season is because he was moved to the wing. Not inadequate playing time.

nateevs: That is despite the point.
Strikers don't need to play regularly to score goals. I cannot accept that.
How do you explain Chicarito and Le Fondre coming in for the odd minute yet finding the back of the net?

The only explanation leans towards our point of view.

dayokanu:

Ba didnt get shots because of him own profligacy He had several chances today and that he didnt score or rack up more shots is his own undoing

I remembered several instances where he was played in and he failed to get the shots away

dayokanu:
Chicharito and Le Fondre are the exceptions Strikers generally need to play regularly to score. That was the same thing you all told us last season

If Ba had 20 run of league games like Torres did at the beginning of the season he would score loads

coogar: they are not exceptions - balotelli got goals from the bench, bendtner, alexi sanchez, etc have scored many goals as substitutes.

another daft claim.
in december, the claim was if demba ba joins chelsea he would score 2 goals per game. now, they want ba to start to score 20 consecutive league games to score. don't you have any shame?

coogar: they are not exceptions - balotelli got goals from the bench, bendtner, alexi sanchez, etc have scored many goals as substitutes.

coogar: they are not exceptions - balotelli got goals from the bench, bendtner, alexi sanchez, etc have scored many goals as substitutes.

coded guy: Atleast the midfield created chances today! Bas profligacy in front of goal was terrible and he must take responsibility for it, but this does not in anyway exonerate Torres. He has been an annoying Dud.

dayokanu:



Demba ba is a very good striker suffering from inadequate playing time. The same way he suffered the 2nd half of last season

jackbauersballs: I dont see why Dayo continues to propagate this Lie.

It has been established that since he Joined, Ba has had more playing time than Torres in anygame he was Eligible for.

Today was yet another unfruitful 90 minutes played at the expense of Torres.

I believe that Dayo et al know the truth - But an Admission that Ba has failed so far would open up questions about the Chelsea system...and Exonerate Torres.

So we hear all sorts of fallacies and idiocies....even Ibime chips in with the occasional ill-thought out BS.

The Simple truth is - So far Ba has flopped...as has Torres.

But these guys don't want to admit they got it wrong at all...

Cue the usual responses from the usual suspects...and the ret@rd ibime.

dayokanu:
Maybe people expected you to use your brains when analysing

Everyone expected Torres to be benched permanently given his failure and for Demba to play all the games not to be sharing minutes with Torres who has failed completely.
If Demba plays 20 games like Torres did, he would score more than 7 goals

dayokanu: ^^ ANy sensible coach benches a certified dud for a new player

Same way Podolski is benching Arshavin regardless that Arshavin cost more, Same way Drogba was benching Sheva even though The Ukrainian cost more, Same reason Everyone is benching Andy Carrol even though Carrol is the English record striker

dayokanu:

Demba Ba is not in his usual Newcastle form probably because he is sharing time with the Dud

Demba ba had chances today and he wasted them. He is still better than Torres who never positions himself to get chances and blame his midfielders

I am sure today Demba would blame himself and not Lampard, mata or Hazard

Torres has failed everywhere since 2010 thats why he has 7 goals in 27 games for the NT and even dropped completely from the squad now

jackbauersballs:

I dont see why Dayo continues to propagate this Lie.

It has been established that since he Joined, Ba has had more playing time than Torres in anygame he was Eligible for.

Today was yet another unfruitful 90 minutes played at the expense of Torres.

I believe that Dayo et al know the truth - But an Admission that Ba has failed so far would open up questions about the Chelsea system...and Exonerate Torres.

So we hear all sorts of fallacies and idiocies....even Ibime chips in with the occasional ill-thought out BS.

The Simple truth is - So far Ba has flopped...as has Torres.

But these guys don't want to admit they got it wrong at all...

Cue the usual responses from the usual suspects...and the ret@rd ibime.

coogar:

look at the examples this tool is churning out....drogba/sheva is £24m/£30m. podolski/arshavin is £10m/£15m.....ba/torres is £7m/£50m. then considering the fact that a manager was sacked for failing to bring out the best in torres, you have to be the biggest imbëcile to think ba was coming in to permanently bench torres!

thanks for showing how low your IQ is to the world wide web.

coogar:

of course, they know the truth.....
but will any of them admit they have been acting like fools all this while? nah - that's a nigerian for you. balotelli started only 14 games of his 23 league appearances last season, came on as a sub 9 times and he was an unused sub 5 times.......he still scored 13 league goals! yet, these baboons want to force their stüpidity on the intelligentsias of this community......

dayokanu:
The reasonalbe thing was to bench Torres permanently a striker who has failed in all endeavours since 2010 7 goals in 27 games for NT 7 league goals in over 20 starts

Same reason Kaka was benched for ozil despite being the 2nd most expensive player in the Sport same reason Zlatan was benched and kicked out of Barca The same reason Andy Carrol is getting benched by players only a fraction of his transfer fee

benching Torres permanently is the way forward

dayokanu:
How did the same Ballotelli fare this season at the same Citeh under the same benching conditions

And compare that to what he is doing in Milan with a sure starting role

El Guapo: Last time i checked, the word 'flop' was directed at one who has failed after much expectations were envisaged, one who've failed to live up to billings.

For the niggers on here who're claiming that a £7m Ba is a flop, were u for real expecting him to be the Oduduwa of our Ile Ife Chelsea?

A ninja that haven't played up to 3 months at his new team, on a Limited apps and under a manager that i brand 'toothless' is labelled Flop - SMH

The real Flop knows himself and am sure he'd hate u guys for ever trying to defend his Psychological traumas!

coogar:

don't let me quote what the kraut and his army of lunatics were saying when ba was about to sign for chelsea. one thing i love about this forum is the ease at which old posts can be unearthed! these comments are not far-fetched. can you not see fat ibime has bowed out of the argument? he knows he's a dead man already. dayokanu would be trying to edit his posts as we speak but majority of his posts were quoted - so no escape!

SEGAD:

[b]
Chelsea system basically don't support striker as in top nine, [/b]that does not mean the system is bad.

Ibime: The emotional ninjas in the Torres camp are very quick to pounce on any striker competing with Torres. Lest you forget how Sturridge was constantly harangued by certain emotional ninjas when he plays 15 minutes at the end of a match, and could barely put 200 minutes together in 5 months of football. Those same ninjas will not come back now to confess that Sturridge is 1 million% better than Torres. They were proponents of the same line of thinking that chased a perfectly good striker out of the club for a £100m black hole. (wages+transfer)

Since Demba arrived at Chelsea, he's been 1000% better than anything Torres has offered in 3 seasons. His foot was barely under the table when emotional ninjas started making silly points. no need to argue with these ninjas because one thing we know for sure is that these emotional ninjas are ephemeral in their arguments and will shift arguments when the obvious truth becomes established. Have we not seen enough flipflopping and ephemeral arguments from these emotional shekpe loverboys all season?

They went from telling us Torres does not fit in with Lampards first time passes, to telling us Torres will shine with MaZaCar behind him, even telling us after Newcastle game that now we have ninjas like Hazard who understand Torres movements. Then they told us MaZaCar play too much tippy tappy and Torres only thrives on "vertical first time passes" (which is Lampards speciality in the first place). Now the story is that Chelsea midfield is too greedy and the inverted wingers are not built for the striker to thrive (as if Chelsea is the only team playing 4-3-2-1 with inverted wingers in Europe).

So please no need to argue with these ninjas because grounds may shift once again. All Chelsea fans bar emotional loverboys want Demba Ba in the team, and would like to see him given proper status as the club's no1 striker, unlike Sturridge and Lukaku whose confidence was battered and chased out of the club by Torres' corrupt preeminence
Goodnight!

El Guapo:
1)Coogar shey u know say every man Is entitled to his opinion?

2)From a Shrewd Objective view, Less expectations were envisaged at Ba's arrival at Cfc. He was good at the Magpies Yeah! Then for him not to have stared in a big club ever in his career talk less of Chelsea's standard lifts the question-why expect big from him?

3)Am sure u never xpected big from a Chiva's lad named Hernandez?

4)In other words, dont u think Dayo and Ibime have every right to propagate the 'opinion' that Ba would be a hit? I mean, taking into consideration how Awkward Nando have been for the past 3yrs! Who wouldn't? Every Chelsea fan would believe that Ba was gonna save us the Nando show - And i'd still tell u that I've not been disappointed by Ba, maybe untill he shoots over an Open Onion bag after beating the Gk-then i would.

5)Its totally an unbalanced Judgement to compare a player who's been at a team for 3yrs with one who's there barely upto 3 months - Ba Is not a Flop and thats a #FACT!

coogar:

1) every man is entitled to his opinion but the privilege of free speech should not be abused.

2) on please, so it's now the question of a big club? where did chicharito come from? where did berbatov come from in 2006?

3) which hernandez? chicharito? i knew the dude was going to be a hit when it was rumoured he was going to sign. his goalscoring stats were decent for club and country. he scored 2 good goals at the world cup mostly as a sub! he was already a hit before his premier league debut!

4) they were stüpid to make such prognosis. nateevs and i had analysed the previous strikers in chelsea and how only drogba and to an extent had successful careers as strikers at chelsea under the roman era. shevchenko, crespo, kezman, pizarro, forsell, quaresma, etc all flopped. why would ba be different?

5) ba is a flop!
in torres' first season, he wasn't spared. no one mitigated for him that he's yet to settle. no one gave excuses that drogba was hampering his confidence or whatever excuses the fat charlatan is giving now. a striker armed with creative geniuses like MAZACAR should be scoring goals on the regular........lampard(defensive midfielder) is chelsea's top goalscorer in the league - the mind boggles......i would be damned if carrick scores more league goals than rooney, rvp or hernandez. i would be super damned if busquets score more league goals than messi or david villa. would yaya toure outscore aguero?

You dont have to spell out number of goals when told that Ba has been 1000x berra than Nando. If only u knew what 'Lackadaisical Performance' is, which happens to be the bane to Nando's Poor run and how Ba has defiled that odd with energetic and determined performances, then am sure u'd be adding 1000 more to Ba been berra than Ur dud

You must have expected Hernandez to be a hit after joining from a lower team-going by ur claim that u knew him, that turns out to be the 'opinion' am telling u about, cos in contrast, am sure many reputable Press outlets, analyists and managers would be casting doubts on what 'Lil pea' would bring to the Premiership.

Same goes for Ba!

Lastly, the emboldened statement up there is a total Fable and myopic generalization. Torres was Spared! We kept believing in him and he kept letting us down - Got an idea how far i'd go on to defend Nando then here in Nigeria? Blogs, forum, Pubs, home, School even had a debate with my Pastor at Church

Sack Rafa, lure in a Manager that knows his Onion-give Ba Jxt a full season, if he fails, i make u a solem promise not to Login into NL again!