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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Eruditor: 9:41am On Jan 03, 2020 |
patrickmuf: ? |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Eruditor: 9:45am On Jan 03, 2020 |
izzou: Just like United have lost home games to small teams and Liverpool could not beat them there. That Wolves have lost and drawn games does not make them bad. For e.g, you conveniently ignored the fact that even with 11 players at Anfield. Liverpool needed a goal that should have been disqualified to beat the same Wolves. But somehow playing with a man down against them at their ground for 80 mins is not a good enough excuse. 1 Like |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by LegoxMetahuman: 9:45am On Jan 03, 2020 |
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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by izzou(m): 9:48am On Jan 03, 2020 |
Eruditor: I have not challenged Pep's victory last season. He worked for it, he earned it and he deserved it. So that last paragraph is for those who wish to argue about that, not me And yes, a coach can manage a team well, and perform poorly the next season. Ancelloti was just booted out of Napoli. Is he a good coach? Yes Did he manage Napoli well? No Because Pep won it last season doesn't mean he cannot fall short of expectations and standards And I still insist, LaPorte's absence is not a reason for their losses. Wolves beat City 2-0 in the first leg. Maybe LaPorte was supposed to assist their forwards in that match.... Maybe 4 Likes |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Eruditor: 9:50am On Jan 03, 2020 |
patrickmuf: If you think the value of Fabinho to Liverpool is the same as Laporte to City. E reach to laugh. Remember I said that a player is the best does not mean he is not replaceable. For e.g Leicester can survive for a few with Vardy out even though he is better than Iheanacho. Just like City survived without KdB last season. But surviving without Laporte for 6 months is not the same. City conceded 23 goals all season in the EPL last year but this season they have already conceded 24. 2 Likes |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Eruditor: 9:53am On Jan 03, 2020 |
izzou: Congrats to Wolves. Hope you saw the role Otamendi (Laporte's replacement) played in that loss as well or maybe you only read the box score to see how that game went. 2 Likes |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by izzou(m): 9:53am On Jan 03, 2020 |
Eruditor: A man down when you had a two goal lead? Common. You obviously know football better than this He had 40 minutes to just hold on and get even a draw. Or are you saying Wolves midfielders are better than City's? That was a very shambolic performance from Pep. If that was a final, it would have been worse. But what's disappointing is that you Pep loyalists found a way of exonerating him from it, and blaming it on LaPorte's absence. 1 Like |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by izzou(m): 9:56am On Jan 03, 2020 |
Eruditor: Of course, I saw it City has lost to Manchester United, Norwich and the rest. I didn't see you blame Otamendi too I can also list matches that City has won this season, with Otamendi playing in them. But I didn't see you saying his performance was poor 9 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by patrickmuf(m): 9:56am On Jan 03, 2020 |
Eruditor:We will get back to this point of yours when Laporte is back fit and City keeps conceding. That's how Dayo in a bid to rubbish Van Dijk Said Liverpool's defensive solidity had more to do with Allison and when Allison started conceding, he brought Matip into the picture... When Laporte is back, the next talk will be Sane. 6 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Eruditor: 9:57am On Jan 03, 2020 |
izzou: If he managed the team to score 2 goals with a man down away from home, maybe the performance was not as shambolic as you are claiming. 1 Like |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by izzou(m): 9:59am On Jan 03, 2020 |
Eruditor: Lol I think I'm done with this back and forth arguments. Maybe his performance was not shambolic. All his losses this season would have been averted it only LaPorte was on the pitch Have a splendid day, sire |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Eruditor: 10:00am On Jan 03, 2020 |
izzou: You have used your 2 different paragraphs to argue with yourself. City will not lose every game that Laporte is not playing in. Just like they will not win every game he plays in. But there will be a difference when he is on. Objective people can know the difference and then decide what argument they are trying to make. 1 Like |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by izzou(m): 10:01am On Jan 03, 2020 |
Eruditor: Okay sire I'll add "being objective" to my bucket list this year |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Eruditor: 10:02am On Jan 03, 2020 |
patrickmuf: Okay. Can't argue with the facts so ask a question by yourself and then answer it. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Unlimited22: 10:05am On Jan 03, 2020 |
Pep is a very good coach and has done well in England, albeit backed by the Country's best Venture funding. The problem na say when City dominate it's all down to Pep and his over 200 IQ, but when they fail it's down to the players, injuries, VAR, the English FA, UEFA, Theresa May, Boris Johnson, Donald Trump, the pitch, global warming, the fans etc. Make it make sense. Please make it make sense. 19 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Eruditor: 10:06am On Jan 03, 2020 |
izzou: Laporte was on the pitch when City lost 4 games last season and Liverpool lost only 1. But somehow City still won the league. So maybe losing games is not as important as a non-shambolic observer would want to admit. 1 Like |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by izzou(m): 10:09am On Jan 03, 2020 |
Eruditor: Noted sire |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by A40(m): 10:50am On Jan 03, 2020 |
patrickmuf:Let us judge Klopp with a team where his best players cannot be poached. There's no telling how far he would have gone at Dortmund if he wasn't losing his best players every season either to us or some other European team. After coming so close last season I never would have imagined Liverpool would be able to muster this kind of effort. 58 points from 60. And the more titles they win the stronger the mentality. You EPL people should be very afraid 2 Likes |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Upnepaa(m): 11:10am On Jan 03, 2020 |
Unlimited22: You are partially right. Pep is a good coach but I as a person does not like overrating people above their normal level. that's why I will never compare Pep to the great Sir Alex Ferguson? But you need to tackle the other side of the debate too, that is, chanting pep is a fraud up and down as if it will solve the myriad of challenges of their own club. Yes, Pep is Overrated? but is he a fraud at the same? or is the word fraud is being abused here? or many of his critics don't even know the meaning of fraud. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by TalabiAudu: 11:23am On Jan 03, 2020 |
A40: Baba you sabi. People thinking Liverpool will bottle it because of their known bottling spirit are actually clowning. Since they won that UCL, everything ended there. They now have winners mentality and that's what would make you win the league. There are some points a normal Liverpool they would have dropped this season. Let Pap Fraudiola fans continue to clown |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Upnepaa(m): 11:29am On Jan 03, 2020 |
I'm not here to argue about the better coach but all these Pep slayers are the either economical with the truth or just being hypocritical? All the parameters of judging coaches are relative. No matter how talented you are as a coach you must have some sheer part of luck. I always feel sad whenever a team plays badly and the coach is shown the exit door. Well, that is the nature of football today. Talking about Pep, Klopp, Mourinho. They are all good coaches. saying one of them is a fraud because his team is failing despite spending huge amounts money on transfers is a rubbish Idea. Mou and Pep have failed in the past despite spending a lot. Klopp has failed when having good players. They've all succeeded when they were underdogs and won trophies against all odds. We should hug the reality now that football is now money and money is now football. After years of failure, even Klopp knows he can't succeed without money, it is until he spent huge money of the transfers of Alisson, Van dijk (most notably) Salah, Keita that the results start coming. As for Mourinho, no be him nearly drove Chelsea to relegation or no be him nearly knocked down United in his recent job. look at him now, Tottenham is his new abode. 7 Likes |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by patrickmuf(m): 11:41am On Jan 03, 2020 |
A40:You are right. Irrespective of the rivalry, I admire that team, the commitment of the players is admirable especially at a time where social media is taking its toll on talented footballers... 4 Likes |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by pamcode(m): 11:42am On Jan 03, 2020 |
izzou:Did you watch the wolves match bro? That loss was on Mendy and otamendi if you ask me. What was Pep supposed to do to prevent Mendy from doing a poor job of shielding the ball? Or otamendi refusing to stay on his feet rather choosing to jump in allowing Doherty to easily sidefoot him and score with his weaker foot. City losses this has been due to both Pep mgt and Injuries. You are using a wrong scenario to prove your point bro. 2 Likes |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by A40(m): 11:44am On Jan 03, 2020 |
TalabiAudu:Their comeback vs Barcelona was the turning point. We don't see Liverpool of today without that match Bottle? Lool all things being equal this title race will be over by Mid April at the latest. Even City have openly conceded the race is over and it will take injuries to Salah, Mané, Trent Alexander and Firmino simultaneously for them to bottle it. Actually Liverpool fans should be more worried about the season being cut short due to WWIII 3 Likes |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by A40(m): 11:49am On Jan 03, 2020 |
Upnepaa:When has Klopp failed with good players? To your second point. Klopp is not working with a blank cheque. The likes of Coutinho, Ings and Solanke bankrolled his transfers. Salah cost less than £40m and £40m is the new £20m. Fred, Ndombele, Pepe, Mendy all cost more than Salah |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by airmark(m): 12:04pm On Jan 03, 2020 |
Upnepaa: Fraud: A person or thing intended to deceive others, typically by unjustifiably claiming or being credited with accomplishments or qualities.. We've read how many of you claimed that he was the greatest coach of all time, just because of his achievements at Barca. He won sextuple, won 2 Ucls in 3 years and all that. Now 8yrs after leaving Barca, where is his 1ucl final appearance? Not even asking him to win it. All his eye-catching achievements at Barca have Messi's watermarks. He deceived people to get tagged 'best coach ever', when he is not. He is Fraudiola, that's why majority of Barca fans preferred to have Klopp in their team, not him. 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by izzou(m): 12:08pm On Jan 03, 2020 |
pamcode: Injuries? Kindly state the injured players, and the replacements that are not good enough for those positions |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by airmark(m): 12:08pm On Jan 03, 2020 |
pamcode: Maybe Fraudiola should go and learn how to train his defenders, the art of defending properly. 4 Likes |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by pamcode(m): 1:35pm On Jan 03, 2020 |
izzou:Sane - Sterling and bernando have not replicated their last season performance especially the lattter. Laporte- Fernandinho has been an able deputy but it has also deprived city of his steel in midfield. The struggles of otamendi and stones are well documented I believe. Rodri who replaced Fernandinho at the base of the midfield is still finding his feet. Zinchenko/ Mendy - Zinchenko came in as a result of Mendy's Injury and deputized well until his Injury and Angelino came in for him and has been suspect defensively. Mendy came in too and seems to have lost his pace and crossing that added to his defensive weakness beforehand. Silva, Aguero have all had their spells out of the team. What you people don't understand about the style Pep uses is that it is a high risk system that requires all of the players in the system understanding their role and be able to execute it. Just one weakness is enough for the whole team to collapse. Pep himself takes part of the blame the game against United for example playing such a high line against a team with pacy players built for counter and him knowing his defence was suspect was suicide as far as I know. 4 Likes |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by pamcode(m): 1:38pm On Jan 03, 2020 |
airmark:My brother you can't teach an old dog new tricks. Only thing is to try and change the system to suit him. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by diggz: 1:48pm On Jan 03, 2020 |
Raumdeuter what do you have say about the looming WWIII ? |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by izzou(m): 1:53pm On Jan 03, 2020 |
pamcode: I asked you to give me players currently on injuries and the "not-so-good" replacements. You dont need to give me progress reports. All the replacements above have a very high chance of starting a match in other teams. When Tottenham and Arsenal were performing poorly, sacking their coaches were justified. But when City loses, its not entirely Pep's fault. Its injuries (of how many players sef?) that is a major problem. And i'll appreciate if you just delete the bolded. Sincerely, its very funny, and you of all people shouldnt be typing that |
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