epainos:

This is exactly what I am trying to do. Thank you. I told myself that there should be a way to sieve out the evil some people have created with it. However, I cannot reconcile the mystery behind the perfection and accuracy in the casting of ifa (when they throw either the palm nuts or chains) and the result of what they give. Of course, that's probability. The first one is 50% chance, and it gets reduced till the final. But when the diviner starts reciting poems and stories associated with the result, they say it is always accurate. This is where I am trying to unravel the mystery behind it. Some people close to me said there are demons attached to it at that stage. And that those demons make sure that out of 256 possible outcomes, they won't miss it.

I started reasoning that the opon ifa and many other items they carry about may have been soaked into occultism. Just a thought. But I want to see how an ordinary person can achieve accuracy and use it for different purposes than what those people used it for. They just kept it as a secret that must not be led out for the public to consume.

Ifa, as a system, is probabilistic. It works sometimes and doesn't work at other times. That's one of the traits of the system that really baffled me when I started learning. Because, if you've a Theory of Everything, at some levels, probability must feature or appear inherent in your model. If not, the theory doesn't have depth.

The probabilistic or stochastic aspect is a manifestation of the quantum nature of the matrix we perceive reality. At a deeper level, this shows certain natural limits (constraints) imposed on various processes and phenomena (our perception) in the physical world.

So, the limit of Odu Ifa is this probabilistic or stochastic nature. However, Ifa is deep that it goes further to the very source of the matrix we perceive as physical reality. It explains its own limits.

When you start digging deeper, that's when you learn some mathematics which are really astounding and deep, especially Abstract Algebra (Group Theory).

There are actually mathematical equations and functions for terms such as orun (the Ifa term for the spiritual realm or heaven), emi (soul or consciousness), spirit, and many other key terms in the corpus.

The matrix we perceive as reality is the product of a kind of universal algebra or programming done by certain entities, such as Olorun Olodumare of the Yorubas, Chukwu of the Ibos, and many past humans worshipped as one god or goddess or the other in various parts of the world.

Odu Ifa contains details of such algebra/programming. This is why Ifa priests often hide the core of the corpus (up to the level they know) from the majority to prevent chaos and strife.

So, even if you learn the math to a certain level, there are limits or constraints to how much a person can divulge so one doesn't enter into problems.

All these atheists saying soul, spirit, and the likes don't exist, if they learn some math and physics, they'll have a better understanding of reality. But there are constraints to how much a person can divulge on the Internet or offline.

But with time, people will discover/understand some things.

Another challenge is that if many or most people know all the mysteries there's to know about life or existence, it means that era of humans will soon go into extinction for a new era to emerge.

This aspect is related to the problem of Quantum Gravity in Physics. It's better to take things one step at a time.

epainos:

One of my siblings is a pastor, and we were discussing certain issues. Then, we got to a scholar who studied Yoruba at Obafemi Awolowo University who is a registrar in Bible School. This man is a real believer and this is where I first got the idea that Ifa Corpus is mathematical. This is contrary to what we were taught that it is evil from A to Z. So, I did my research and found Bascom the guy who befriended Ooni of Ife and Nnamdi Azikiwe.

I saw (Combination and Permutation) instantly with the Odu. The way they mapped them together. It was so fascinating. Then, I thought deeply about the extent of the content Babalawo had to memorize. Too voluminous. I was like what? These Babalawos must be diligent in their studies to memorize such large content.

My point is that I choose to see the good part. Also, I saw how binary codes are used. Guess what ran through my mind? Machine codes...Artificial intelligence. And of course I can spot the world economy in it. Trading! Trading!! Trading!!! I can see traces of the Japanese candlestick. I said Wow!!!! No wonder those Babalawo chanced the people of the old. Chai! Those Babalawos were ahead of the people of the old because of the knowledge they possessed.

Please, regarding online materials (books and videos....reference to the bolded part of your post) that you have, a beg sir, could you kindly upload them on Google Drive so I can download them? Please, I beg no vex for this request. Please. I can take my time and go over the ones you have been able to gather. Please.

Just start learning from Google please. It was before I used to share books with people. But I was naive then. I don't do such again. I only give recommendations (titles of books) now for interested people to get themselves online if they want.

You can gradually learn Odu Ifa using Google (reading articles and watching YouTube videos on Ifa or Odu Ifa). It's very vast. But don't rely on only Odu Ifa if you want to know some of the mysteries hidden by Ifa priests.

You'll need to be very good in Math and Physics (advanced level).

When you learn some mysteries of Ifa, I think you'll realize why some knowledge has to be hidden from the public using complex codes and mathematics.

epainos:

Lastly, is there a way to learn Ifa Corpus without going into the dark side of it? If yes, can anyone write out the roadmap to achieve such?

A001 I have read some of your posts also. You are welcome to share your ideas here sir.

Please, anyone with this knowledge can try to attempt to answer these questions.

About the highlighted, the Odu Ifa is a great body of knowledge as I stated before. It can be used for both good and evil. Same way, a person can learn Quantum Physics and decide to focus on creating evil technologies (applications) with the knowledge or good ones.

It's based on your choice.

Odu Ifa is not inherently evil, compared to discoveries and knowledge developed by a past human like Esu.

For instance, a person can learn Nuclear Physics now and decide to focus on just manufacturing bombs for terrorism activities even though this field of Physics is broad and has diverse applications (both good and bad ones). If such a person is a Yoruba person, they're called Esu or associated with Esu in the Yoruba culture.

Esu isn't the same entity as Satan. The concept of Satan is alien to Yoruba culture traditionally.

epainos:

Quite interesting. No wonder you are so deep in your new faith.

On a serious note... "you just dey whine us"? Or were you deep into Ifa Corpus? If you say Prof Soyinka is lost, how deep were you? Were you close to becoming a Babalawo?

Please be honest with the above.

Another issue I would like you to address. Here is a view I had after reading about the history of Ifa Corpus. I think it is a strong and deep mathematical and scientific knowledge that can be applied to all areas of human existence and spirituality; however, the people who have a stronghold of Ifa knowledge have more of its evil applications. I strongly believe that at a point, the stronghold of Ifa knowledge deliberately killed and eradicated the pure and good application of the corpus. So, most of the applications are tailored towards making sacrifices and tapping into the realm of satan (esu as it is called in the Yoruba language).

The corpus is in binary codes which are the same codes of machine language. All programming languages are turned to binary codes before the final execution. Therefore, it is a tool or knowledge for creation just like how AI is used to create so many new things today.

Max, I want you to comment on the above also. The US is already studying it ooo, and I know that they will break that oral transfer of the corpus very soon. They will soon publish many things about it. I am guessing they will have applications in different areas like witches and wizards, mathematical areas, metaphysics, spirituality, and then technology.

Lastly, is there a way to learn Ifa Corpus without going into the dark side of it? If yes, can anyone write out the roadmap to achieve such?

A001 I have read some of your posts also. You are welcome to share your ideas here sir.

Please, anyone with this knowledge can try to attempt to answer these questions.

I've been studying Odu Ifa for the past 6 years for a research project in Mathematical Physics. However, I'm not an Ifa priest and don't belong to any cult (Awo).

I regard myself as a descendant of Orunmila and Ifa, and I cherish such connections while learning Odu Ifa.

The Mathematics and Physics embedded in the corpus is so astounding, especially considering the fact that it was developed by a genius named Ifa at the beginning of the Homo sapiens era (over 200,000 years ago).

In fact, if your Physics and Math are very sound, you can develop a new physics and mathematics using the corpus. That's not a mere claim.

"Odu" is a Yoruba term for "code" or "mystery", so Odu Ifa is a system (a compendium of knowledge on many subjects) developed by Ifa at the beginning of the Homo sapiens era inspired by Orunmila, and this system has been named after him ever since.

Hence, Odu Ifa literally means "the Code of Ifa".

Personally, I regard Odu Ifa as the native version of what the whites call the Theory of Everything (TOE). I believe the genius, Ifa, had developed TOE in the past human era in Yoruba language and is known as the Odu Ifa literary corpus, but most of the content is lost in modern times.

It's just so surprising when you study various concepts in Physics, Math, Sociology, and other fields, and you study the Odu Ifa comparatively and find native versions of various effects, concepts, principles in these fields encoded in Yoruba proverbs and sayings from Odu Ifa.

These are very old sayings and proverbs, not something somebody just formed today.

There are many examples of this. Having come across many examples in my project and was highly surprised, I've now made a it a habit to first start my research on any topic from the Odu Ifa provided I can find relevant aspects from the corpus.

I learn Ifa from online videos, Facebook posts, and books (there are books of Ifa on Amazon, but they're not free).

I'd encourage you to use the same route. Some people join the cult of Ifa by doing Itefa (initiation into Ifa). I don't encourage worshipping a fellow human as a god or a person immersing themselves wholly in the philosophy of their fellow human, however great.

It's better to read wide, develop your own personal philosophy, and adopt a science-based approach to your spirituality. Just a suggestion.

Also, I learn Odu Ifa by inspiration via dreams. But this is for the mathematical aspect/physics aspect.

Person dey speak Yoruba language and is saying Ifa na ordinary person, Lols. Na that man Ifa invent the different dialects called Yoruba language today in the olden days.

Some people are so naive. Do they even know what it takes to invent a language that has survived thousands of years. Senseless comment.

If you be African atheist and you don't have regard for past humans, which are called African gods and goddesses, you don't have common sense.

FRANCISTOWN:


I can't even debate you because you obviously don't know about this.
Your knowledge is based on what a white head told you, you, being a former follower of Mohammed .
I don't know whether you are of the Yoruba descent. But it's such a shame that you know nothing of your own ancestors to think the people I mentioned were full of charms gotten from the gods.
According to the IFA corpus, all the gods once lived as human beings. The reason they became gods was because legends believed they had powers that many people didn't have.

If you're of the Yoruba descent, go ask the elderly ones in your household to tell you more on what I hinted

Lols, so naive. All the gods were humans that lived in the past era. But Orunmila, Ifa and the likes weren't your average humans.

The humans referred to as gods by the religious people are gifted people — humans with special powers and abilities.

It's like someone saying a genius like Stephen Wolfram or Terrence Tao are just humans. Lols, those are not your average humans. And religious people call such gifted people gods and goddesses.

You can check out the profiles of those two mathematicians and come back here and say they don't have special powers and abilities.

Lols. You know how vast Stephen Wolfram's projects and companies are. So naive.

If Orunmila, Ifa were alive today, they'd have such profiles like those two mathematicians. Lols, you think Odu Ifa corpus is something trivial or some small.

Seek knowledge first and stop speaking ignorantly. Man pass man; only a kid doesn't know that.

You see profs and other mathematicians praising the mathematical genius of Tao, and you'll only be a fool to be calling that 'legend'.

I don't have to believe or disbelieve in god to recognize a genius or polymath when I see one based on his history and achievements.

Based on their history, Oyinbo people call people like Orunmila and Ifa polymaths. There's a reason they invented a special term for such people, as distinct from average people.

Of course, you can doubt the history of Orunmila and Ifa but consider stories and tales about Pythagoras and Aristotle real.

Lols, I don laugh tire

Now is the best time to sack this Argentine fraud. I no even mind Conte at this stage. With a good coach and luck, top 6 is still achievable this season.

Eunoiaa:


Truer words have never been spoken.



I cannot imagine Taylor Swift in some regalia and trying to communicate with somd people from "the other side."

Lols, it doesn't have to be in a regalia. If a person has patrons or ties at the other side, they'll always reach out to them in dreams or trances unless the person cuts them off.

If a person cuts off key connections in their life, they'll be weak and vulnerable. That's why some people don't amount to anything here or don't live long.

Eunoiaa:


Mastery by Robert Greene!


I keep putting off reading this book, but I really have to sit down one day and be serious with it.

I was going to ask how much of self-discovery is needed for her type of fame, but I just realise she might be the kind of person/people Greene was referring to (I've read the first one and two pages). Let me even look for it and try to share some screenshots.

One of the ways for an African to discover themselves is to get close to their roots. It's always good to know the history of the deities worshipped in your lineage/family.

Those deities are your patrons/support system. Some of those gifted people like Taylor Swift and those highly highly successful people you mentioned before have strong patrons at the other side, who provide them with information and guidance/protection that gives such people an edge here.

Eunoiaa:


Everybody has fought with everyone in here, please. That one is a normal thing. And I see the way people who've fought with each other in here actually go to great lengths to maintain their beef and avoid each other.

Although now I will admit in part that nobody sees their fight with me as "real" because they will still go on to quote on or pick on me. I will not completely attribute that to me being a victim always ganged up on.


So about Taylor Swift, I think I might have to consider this "goddess" explanation because the hype is just so phenomenal. I used to listen to her in 2014/15, I fell off and then I came back years later to realise that she's suddenly everywhere. There are just a few things left for her to touch MJ (although I cannot accurately compare them together because I didn't grow up on MJ and even before he died I was not into music). She and Beyoncé are literally on the same level of success now (the Beyhives will rather Bury themselves alive than admit this).

She's a superstar in every sense of the word.

I do think American capitalism has a major role to play in her popularity, but not up to this extent. A lot of her fame can still not be accounted for (if we remove spirituality). You know why Walt Disney, J.P. Morgan, Henry Ford, those luxury brand founders and others like them are/were successful. You can read their biographies and logically follow their business trail to see how they built the corporations they built. But Taylor?

The AI pornography made of her prompted a legislative bill in the US Senate. Even the White House spoke on it. I can't recall if it was John Cena or some other sports entertainer, but they(he) were being interviewed and was asked if they were a Swiftie, as if it's a legit (political) identity.


She's a human being being worshipped before out very eyes.

I think I'll compare it to the kind of fame Caesar had. I am not saying she's on the same level with the Roman general, but that quality of spirit, aura is of the same stock.

Social scientists should actually have a field day studying this occurrence/her person.

Lols, I understand you perfectly. Lols, about the highlighted, that's your own view. Humans worship their fellow humans every time. Good examples are the religious people worshipping Allah and Yahweh.

Those are also human beings as well claiming God. Na why atheists and agnostics no dey rate those gods because their souls are in the same, or almost the same, hierarchy.

Reincarnation is the reason behind the great success of stars like Taylor Swift. It's like a goddess like Osun or Gaia reincarnating today, they'll be among the most powerful or successful people on this planet because of the vast experience and knowledge they've accumulated in their past lives and the key connections they've built over those periods.

These aren't your average people, man pass man, and woman pass woman

Sometimes, it's simply their connections that give them an edge over the majority. Some of them have powerful patrons at the other side.

Unlimited22:

Except say you go just dey, dey call most of us 'slaves' and such, unprovoked.

Person dey bear "Abdul" and still dey complain say dem dey call am slave. Lols. Person dey call himself the slave or servant of god, sheep but him dey vex when called such.

FYI, "Abdul" is the Arabic word for "slave".

Unlimited22:

Carry go my G😁😁😁

I no even dey discuss religious issues often on Nairaland again. To me, that's like beating a dead horse. If people fight from now till the next 10 years, it doesn't change the fact that the era of religions is in its twilight today on this planet.

Science and technology has taken over.

Away from that, Apple recently released its Vision Pro consumer headset based on spatial computing, which promises to take augmented reality (AR) to the next level.

The gadget goes for over $3300 now, but hopefully, more advances will be made in the near future that'll reduce this exorbitant price so more people can afford it.

Judging by its features and capabilities, the Apple Vision Pro is really a fascinating piece of tech.

Unlimited22:

To be honest, you Don fight with and insult most of us too


But na wetin dey make the thread sweet


Roforofo, rogbidiyan, nsogbu and chaos >>>>>

If you insult me, I'd reply you in kind. I've been on Nairaland since 2007. So, I no dey here to make friends from people who are mostly complete strangers.

Eunoiaa:
, Taylor Swift is out of limits to talk about.
.

There's nothing wrong with the topic IMO. But you don fight with every guy on this thread. Na the issue be that. You don't have to fight with every guy on Nairaland to drive home your point.

About the topic, I'm a big fan of Taylor Swift. If we're still in the era of religion, people will be worshipping her as a goddess.

But we're in the twilight of that era now.

She's a goddess. Some people are just fortunate in this life. They'll reincarnate multiple times on Earth at different eras and would achieve great feats each time and be worshipped or revered as a god or goddess.

If any of these goddesses Isese traditionalists worship reincarnate, they'd be celebrated and revered the way millions regard Taylor Swift today.

Human souls have hierarchies when they manifest physically on Earth, and highly successful people like Taylor Swift are usually advanced souls and are often reincarnated people.

The fact is, almost all the successful people in all areas of human endeavor, such as music, sports, science, and many others, are reincarnated people who had existed in the past eras.

To achieve great success in their current life and become a star, most of them are simply tapping into the knowledge and experience they've accumulated in their past lives and connections they've made over such periods.

To become great in life, it's important one discovers oneself. Parenting also plays a very vital role.

Broja, loaned to Fulham on deadline day, won't be missed. Relying on him and Jackson to lead our attack this season shows the extent Boli has mismanaged this club within the short period he acquired it.

If the boys give their all, we can still make top 6 this season. Though with Poch at the helm, that possibility looks very slim.

Do you agree or disagree?

BlueRayDick:
This happened at UCH Ibadan. A sick new born baby was brought in by her parents for treatment, the matrons on duty requested that the mother of the child who wore Niqab removes her Niqab so she can be with the child while they treat her. ( They explained this is necessary because babies have weak immune system and the Niqab can actually spread infection in a neonatal ward)

The mother refused to take off the Niqab and the father insisted on her not taking it off. The medical officers declined going ahead to treat the child in the clinic if the mother will not take off the Niqab.

The parents obviously believe they are being discriminated against while the medical officers insisted they are protecting the child and other children in the clinic from infection.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C211K1uozPW/?igsh=eTcyNnVxdjF5NXRz

It's a simple issue. If they can't comply with the laid down rules of the hospital, they should seek treatment elsewhere.

It's obvious they value obeying quranic injunctions more than their child's life.

With the state of insecurity in Nigeria at the moment, people need to be careful around these niqabis and their spouses (extremists).

Belief in Qur'an and the Bible don damage Africans' brains. They demonized and abandoned highly beneficial African science, the heritage of their ancestors and forefathers, and put all their faith in some useless bunch of papers from Isreal and Arabia. Clowns.

Will this guy be fit to start tomorrow?

"This structure is one of my compositions at the Akodi Orisa in Ile Ife.

This is not the way we were taught to make art.

We were taught that the ways of our ancestors are evil and that our forebears were devil worshippers.

Our professors taught us to imitate western ways of making art.

The images that our ancestors produced were called primitive and idols.

We were instructed at the universities to focus on the west as the center of our creative activities.

Our professors, poor colonized beings, made us into colonized artists who studied Michelangelo, Da Vinci, Caravaggio, Bernini, Van Gogh, and other great artists of the west as our models.

But it is important for us to liberate ourselves from the colonial mentality that makes it impossible to grow, to escape our poverty mentality, and flourish.

It is important to decolonize our minds.

How do we do this?

There are many paths leading to the market place.

This is what i advocate: we must reconsider everything we were taught from the day we were born, up to this moment.

First, we must understand that the denial of our colonial status is the first symptom of being a colonized mind.

We must constantly ask ourselves this question: how do I decolonize my mind?

We must move forward by studying the ways of our ancestors and not just the ways of those who came to our land to conquer, dominate and exploit us.

The west will not deliver us from our poverty because it is not in the interest of the west to liberate us from their exploitation.

The west regards us as a gold mine to excavate and pillage.

But we must not submit to their exploitation any longer.

We must unlearn everything the west has taught us, and relearn the ways of our forebears to discover who we are and where we want to be.

Look around, and wake up.

The backwardness that holds us down is located in our blind aping of the western "civilization," which is like a butterfly that a child daily chases, and will never catch.

This installation is a homage to our ancestors.

It is inside a temple I constructed in Ile Ife, called the Akodi Orisa.

I know many of our people would find the construction strange because they have been brainwashed to look down on ancestral forms of inspiration and are already attracted to the shiny things of the west.

It will take a long time to decolonize our minds.

But we are on this long journey, one step after another.

More to follow on this topic."

— Prof Moyo Okediji

Quote of the day

“…Heisenberg took classical and quantum mechanics both to be examples of closed theories.

A closed theory, for Heisenberg, is one that is “perfectly accurate within its domain” and “correct for all time.” This notion of a closed theory had a profound impact on his understanding of theory change. Heisenberg believed that the elements of a closed theory exhibit such a tight interconnectedness that not a single concept can be changed without destroying the whole system. This means that theory change cannot happen gradually, but rather must occur all at once, by means of an “intellectual jump” that makes a “radical break” with the theories that had come before.

Although Dirac never uses the term, his own views of classical and quantum mechanics can be fruitfully understood as a rival account, namely, one of “open theories.” He argues that even the most well-established parts of quantum theory are open to future revision. Instead of viewing classical mechanics as a theory that had been replaced, he saw it as a theory that should continue to be developed, modified, and extended. He took no part of physics to be a permanent achievement, correct for all time.

Dirac's view of theories as open also had an effect on his account of theory change. Where Heisenberg argued for wholesale change, Dirac sought piecemeal modifications; where Heisenberg believed that quantum theory had to make a sharp break with classical mechanics, Dirac believed that there was a deep structural continuity between these theories that should be exploited. A juxtaposition of these two thinkers not only brings us to a deeper understanding of their philosophical views, but also promises to shed new light on current debates over reductionism and the nature of theory change.”

– Alisa Bokulich

We need a proven striker like Osimhen badly. Broja needs to be loaned or sold.

My preoccupation in the New Year: Using Odu Ifa to unify the fundamental forces of nature into a single theoretical framework continuing from where I stopped last year.

This is a grand challenge, which is why some silly posts here are better ignored.

Haters can keep on hating. Your hatred for A001 na the disease you go nurse all through your life.

Lunatic wan die for my mentions in a new year, lols spamming my mentions as if his life depends on it

RLC puts Milan ahead.

I don laugh tire for here. Who dis one dey fight with for here now? Which kind maniac patient be this, ? No time to read nonsense in a new year Lols Nairaland's one and only were digbolugi

Trevor012:

You can join the other foolish clown to forward your comment to Google. The most searched and talked about teams according to Google in 2023 is as seen below. Your fellow brother ranting and crying like a mad man won't change anything.

Nairaland lunatic dey look for who go engage am in a silly fight at the beginning of a new year. See as the were just attacked me out of nowhere unprovoked, lols. Make Seun do something urgently about lunatic people wey dey abuse him site.

A block button will restore some normalcy on this forum.

Lunatic dey fight himself, lols. Mention binned. I didn't even bother to read the nonsense.

OasisX:




.....make dem go ahead nah. LOL! Thanks Ẹ̀gbọ́n mi.

Lols, OK. Una wey dey into politics no be like us wey dey always crave privacy and anonymity.

Not an atheist, but an agnostic. Though many people often confuse both and call me an atheist.

Nevertheless, atheists and agnostics are some of the most intelligent humans on the planet.

OasisX:


.....took us 5 months but we get it finally. My team on ground really tried. Its time to cook for the state.

Congrats. You know say design guys still fit get your details in the attached image.

Osimhen was instrumental in the two games we've played so far. But he needs to be more clinical and score more goals. I love the hunger and ginger he shows in games.