Agbegbaorogboye:

Not my fault you're deficient in English comprehension coupled with your lying ability.
This was a post from you and this was my response. Now you're backtracking when you're beginning to realise how daft you sound.
Seems lying is in your blood

Still you haven't shown where in your original post you mentioned repeatedly that pistol is okay, until you show me that you're just ranting like a buffoon, everything I said remains the same, no be you go tell police wetin dem fit carry to defend themselves, the law right now allows them to carry riffles if you no like am insist on your leaders to change the law, your useless ranting ain't gon solve shin shin.

Agbegbaorogboye:

If you were not too dull for a human being, you will see the part you bolded where I stated that with the multiple agencies we have for road traffic, the police have no business with traffic duty in the first place. Not to mention the fact I've repeatedly told you a pistol should suffice for traffic duty.
Now that someone else has schooled you, you're clutching at straws to confuse yourself.
Abeg Bleep off!!

Where did you state pistol would suffice in your original argument? It is there for all to see abeg no go edit am, werey

Agbegbaorogboye:

It's obvious you're ignorant
The lady has a higher chance of survival if she was shot by a pistol and not an AK-47. Go and find out. A pistol will release only one bullet per shot while an assault rifle like AK-47 which our police goes about with will release nothing less than three bullets going in different directions.
Besides, AK-47 is more prone to what is called accidental discharge and stray shot than a pistol. This facts are besides the fact that AK bullets are wider, heavier and have greater velocity than a pistol bullet.
I thought your father is a police officer. Why don't you ask him what is the standard if a police unit comes under fire from an ambush or a hit instead of arguing about what you obviously don't know. They are to take cover first and ask for backup. Not all this your nonsense of eliminating threat. It's even common sense. It's someone who is alive that can eliminate anything.
Lastly, the joke is on you who claims to be a child of a US police officer. Ask your father if he goes on patrol duty or traffic duty armed with an AK-47 or any assault rifle for that matter. Dude is even laughing at himself.
Abeg don't quote me again with your lies and ignorance..

No need to argue with you, you've clearly been watching too many movies, you keep mentioning standard procedure but have yet to show me where it is written, I should just take your word for it? Stop embarrassing yourself, we are talking about Nigerian police you're talking about backup.........Somebody get this nigga a clown mask

Reference:


No one is saying that policemen should not be armed but the use of a 'rifle' as the 'basic' weapon of choice for law enforcement is just callous and smacks of crass ignorance of ergonomics in weaponry which has resulted in terrible incidents and needless deaths in the context of defensive enforcement and offensive enforcement.

To start with, the AK has an overall length close to a metre. In a battlefield situation barrel length means a more accurate weapon over long distances of which the AK has an effective killing range of 350m. Of what purpose is that in an urban setting where the bulk of policing takes place. That is why most advanced police services the world over use shorter barelled weapons that are much easier to handle giving the bearer more freedom and dexterity with his hands. And where there are no immediate armed threats they are simply armed with pistols.

In defensive positions how many times have we seen policemen in VIP convoys, security details and even normal patrols struggle to get in and out of their vehicles with these 'long guns'. It is simply ridiculous. These weapons should only be made available in 'fire fights not hand held on the streets in everyday duties. They can be stored in their vans and trucks for emergencies or where absolutely necessary by an 'overwatch' officer not actively interrogating or making contact with a civilian.

In other climes where there are incidents requiring extra firepower on patrol you will never see those with the deadliest weaponry such as Special Weapons & Tactics 'pressing the flesh' or mixing it up with the general populace. This is left to the 'beat cops' who are lightly armed because they know the dangers posed by what they carry.

The 7.62mm round is no joke and in close quarters it will do severe, severe damage to anything pliable it hits. Accidentally or not the survival rate close up is practically zero. The government needs to re-evaluate its policing doctrine to save lives.

I agree with you and if this was the only argument made by that ignoramus I would oblige but his entire argument predicated on police not having weapons when on routine traffic stop. See below his comment:

Stop thinking like that. We all know the main reason they are on the road is to make money off motorists and not any of those excuses you're putting up. Most of the time, they are doing routine traffic duty like checking vehicle particulars and driver's license.
That's what I'm pointing out that you don't need a gun to do such duty and there are agencies with statutory duty to do such duties on the road without bearing arms.
And which tout will come out in the daytime to slash tires and break glasses of innocent people. Sofri sofri

Agbegbaorogboye:

I don't care if your generation have worked in police in the US. You can't bamboozle anyone with that. No police in the US carries assault weapons on routine duty. If you don't know what routine duty entails, ask your father.
I'm sure if you ask the late lady your very irrelevant and superfluous question, her answer will be in the negative.
Go back and read and digest what I've been saying. Find out also what assault rifle means before jumping in to argue. Where did I say they shouldn't have any weapon? I specifically mentioned assault rifle because their damage is mostly fatal. So stop being clever by half.
Show with evidence five gun battles in Lagos this year between robbers and police. It's easy to mention places as if I don't live in Lagos too.
The standard procedure of you're not aware if a police unit is attacked is to take cover, radio for support, before engaging the assailants and not your wishful Bruce Lee thinking. Chances are if a police checkpoint is attacked, the policemen on duty will first run for cover which is what most Nigerians see and term as cowardice. So get your facts right before defending nonsense

I insist police have no reason being armed with assault rifle for routine traffic duty. It's not even a stop and search!!

Okay it is clear you are ignorant and after confrontation instead of enlightenment, I asked you simple question you could not answer it rather you deflect and brought up more sentimental B.S. Now let me put you in your place since you want to make this about assault weapons instead of poor police training and reform. Would the lady that was killed still be alive if the officer fired a pistol instead of a rifle? The answer is NO unless you want to waste more time with ridiculous bullshit! Did you just say the standard procedure of police unit is to take cover rather than face/eliminate the threat? IS this written anywhere in their bylaws or is this another stat you pulled out of your ass?

Guy, na you dey argue with yourself, I am fully in support of police reform but offer solutions rather than blanket nonsensical statements, take away the assault rifles and replace it with what? Oh I get your point now, when it is routine duty they should leave their weapons at the station but when it is stop and search they should bring it? Perhaps you meant when they are attacked, they should run back to the station to grab their weapons and then face the threat....JOKER

Agbegbaorogboye:

The first question is if the police will be available when there's a need to defend an armless citizen like me. If the answer is yes, then one will wonder why kidnapping is such a booming industry in Nigeria.
In the US, the police don't go about with assault rifles on routine duty. Stop mixing things up and even at that, the pistol they go about with is holstered until situation demands otherwise.
50 gun battles between robbers and police. Which Lagos is that abeg? Can you give five examples of such?
No matter the sentiment you look to apply, it's foolishness for police on routine patrol or traffic duty to be going about with assault rifles. Such only happens in countries like Nigeria

Again you dodged the simple question, whether police is available or not is irrelevant, will you want the possibility of them saving you or no possibility at all? Next, I've lived in the USA for a long time now and had a father who was a member of the force, stop spewing fallacies here. The standard issued weapon will be drawn if the officer believes there's a reason to be suspicious or careful; e.g. tinted windows, reaching in your pockets, being erratic etc. You keep mentioning routine duty but it is during routine duties that most cops in the USA are attacked or killed. From serving a warrant to stopping a speeding driver, no be you go determine what an officer should carry along to protect him or herself.

Furthermore, I should clarify it is over 50 gun battles between police, robbers, touts, community clashes, hoodlums etc. In Mushin alone over 10 not to talk of Ajah area and other hot areas within the state. Alacara police station was almost burnt earlier this year because police got involved in touts fighting, again you only know what you know but don't mistake it for facts, you said it is foolishness for police to carry assault weapons but what should they protect themselves with? For the ones that follow the rule and don't misbehave what should they do when they are attacked by robbers or touts or ENDSARS hijackers/hoodlums? If your issue is the assault weapon say so and offer recommendations but if your stance is that they should have no weapons at all then my friend YOU DEY PLAY!

Agbegbaorogboye:

Stop thinking like that. We all know the main reason they are on the road is to make money off motorists and not any of those excuses you're putting up. Most of the time, they are doing routine traffic duty like checking vehicle particulars and driver's license.
That's what I'm pointing out that you don't need a gun to do such duty and there are agencies with statutory duty to do such duties on the road without bearing arms.
And which tout will come out in the daytime to slash tires and break glasses of innocent people. Sofri sofri

So basically you refused to answer the question. If you were being robbed or about to be kidnapped, would you prefer to defend yourself or have someone from the force defend you? Remove sentiments from your mind and focus on the question, you would realize your solution is nothing but comic relief. In the USA, as advanced as it may seem, the police still carry arms, the more dangerous a society the more protection the officers need hence the arms. In Lagos this year, over 50 gun battles between robbers and police, in Ogun the same, police are not there just for traffic stops! Yes the bad eggs among them neglects their duties but if we used that to say the entire force is useless then we are just setting ourselves up for more hurting, reforms are needed not just POLICE BAD, POLICE BAD, that most of una dey like to yarn all the time.

Agbegbaorogboye:

Which measures have been put in place to forestall future occurrence?
They should stop deceiving people
Nigeria is not a war zone.
Our police have no business holding assault rifle for routine traffic duty.

As a matter of fact, we have VIO, state traffic managers, and FRSC. Our police have no business doing traffic duty

Then when you're being robbed at gun point or touts starts slashing tires and breaking glass, would you want the police to come and save you? Perhaps you prefer to defend yourself? The solution is not removal of firearms but proper training and mandatory/on-going drug test and psych evaluation for officers.

In this life you can only pick one:

1: LIVE LONG & HEAR ORISIRISI
2: DIE YOUNG & SEE NO EVIL.

I'm too drunk for this shit right now.....I'm out!

3.5 million dollars pere......That's nothing, I dey come make I reach house come back

I WISHED SHE SLAPPED THE TASTE OUT OF HIS MOUTH! Simps don't deserve no form of sympathy, you like a girl, you know you have feelings for her but allow yourself to be friend zoned, TUFIAKWA! If the sky must fall let it fall, never ever settle for platonic friendship when you know you dream about her kama sutra style

ofemigeorge:

But don't you think tinubu can make such order

Y'all give Tinubu too much credit.

ofemigeorge:

Am still asking myself, who ordered the shooting at lekki toll gate? No body gree talk

Federal government controls the military and police, start asking there.

rickleye:


Those are exceptional talent. But none achieved Champions League or World Cup status. Now place them on any European team do you not think they would have won World Cups ?

World cup? They might not, C.Ronaldo has never won it, it took Messi over 2 decades to win just one. The great Ibrahamovic never won a Champions League or World Cup.

rickleye:
Come as it may. Your son would not be the world class talent we know if he played for Cameroun.

True talent cannot be hidden, be it Cameroon or Lesotho, the beast shall not be denied, go and look up George Weah and Abedi Pele, if you're great you're great!

The Taliban is just scared that what is happening in Iran might happen to them as well, this is nothing but a show of force to reassure their base. The funny thing here is that 50% of those women actively supported the Taliban when the USA clashed with them, until these women are willing to die for their rights, all outsiders can do is make noise; like the great Tupac said, STILL I SEE NO CHANGES!

owagbeba:


If you have ran a business in this country then you’d understand what multiple taxation means. 20 -35% import duty plus 7.5% VAT, 5% ETL and 7% surcharge. It’s crazy! Then you pay VAT again at FIRS and the another “agbero” tax ( over 100k) to access the road. Doesn’t it read like madness?

In SKorea you mentioned, export tax is applicable, however you can apply to get a rebate from government .

Is Nigeria the same as S. Korea? The comment I responded to did not mention multiple taxation rather he emphasized the ills of the Nigerian environment such as kidnapping, bad roads etc.; heavy taxation does not always mean good governance, I've already used North Korea to prove that, another example is France, even with all the taxation the country still struggles with high unemployment rate and crimes.

shegzhkn:


North Korea na country?, I think he deserves to know how tax payer money is been used, why you no use South Korea as example (highly developed economy) instead you opted for a country where the citizens only life struggle is where their next meal is coming from.

Both countries shows that taxation is not the same thing as good or bad governance....My point still stands, taxation is a mandate, what they do with such taxes is another thing. You can pay all the taxes you want and still suffer(North Korea), you can pay and enjoy (South Korea).

VULCAN:
Blind BAT like you.

Nigerians are the most indirectly taxed people in the world.

Every tomato you buy, you are paying for the high cost of imported fuel, bandits, the bribery of police, customs and FRSC, the bad roads that spoil vehicles and the lack of rail road cars to move goods cheaply btw states.

None of these happen in countries where people pay tax and the govt uses the taxes for the people and not elections.

You are obviously not in touch with the real sector.

You're confusing taxation with bad governance, you're also assuming just because you pay taxes you MUST enjoy amenities and good infrastructures.....North Korea would like a word with you

assholemods:

Bros how far? Now that Argentina has won. You said France will over run them... How far?

Ah forgot to update you, I changed my bet once they said Konate was not playing . Good game tho, a really really great final, the better team won.......Up Messi!

Iku pa yin..........Like juju dem dey trap my boy, him don break the juju, iku pa yin, e ni wo tan

assholemods:

Over confidence! See as you talk waaaaa like say Argentina na Kano Pillars!

No need to rush, person wey we dey bring wife no suppose dey anxious.....I'll remind you soon son

Know this and know peace, even if half of France's national team goes down due to flue, as long as Mbappe and Griezmann are not affected, they'll beat Argentina.

I want to divorce him , sell the car and use it for this UK study route and take my children as dependent without him knowing. I am tired of the marriage already. He is 44 while I am 31. i want to move on with my life.

Fear women, after God, fear women! I repeat fear women! Before marriage, man never laid his hands on her, man sponsored her to school, man was basically responsible. You even cheated on him but he forgave you, all of a sudden now after all the weddings and kids, man don turn to beast, man is now depending on you financially, he's now cheating and even turned Mike Tyson overnight. You even didn't notice the age difference until you got married(NO BE JUJU BE THAT?).

Finally to finish everything, you want to not only divorce him but take his kids away as well to a foreign land, WHY YOU NO KUKU KILL AM? Wetin remain? One thing is certain, there's your version, there's his version and somewhere between is the truth......May God help una!

FireUpNow:
I don't want any old leader. Are you seeing what PMB is doing? Always flying abroad for medical treatment. Not again.

So when you're given the option of Tinubu or Atiku, wetin you go come do? Abi you dey deceive yourself say Obi go enter?

FireUpNow:

I am 2 years old. He should go and rest for health sake. You guys should talk to him. Healthwise that man is not there. This is how you guys pushed for PMB DURING JEG time now you seeing what's is going on. We don't want a half dead engine again.

Whether you like it or not the battle is between two old men, the sooner you face reality the better

FireUpNow:

I am not hating him. What I detest about him is his lies and not being truthful.how old is he actually? Is his health not bothering him. He is to desperate

How old are you? When was the last time you had a check up? Can you say with 100% certainty that you don't have one ailment or another? Besides I'm not even arguing with you about all that, I'm simply saying the new Lagos is because of him and unless you want all of your hard work to be credited to someone else then appreciate the man and stop confusing his political ambitions with what he already achieved!

FireUpNow:

Can Tinubu replicate all that the FG, Jakande and others did. No matter what you say, Tinubu did not built Lagos. He is just a liar and a deceiver.

How long did FG, Jakande and others had to build Lagos? Why couldn't they develop Lekki, Ajah etc to where it is now? How come Lagos was only able to generate 600 million Naira before Tinubu came and turn it into a money making machine? Abi if you invest in something and it gave you millions and somebody else gave you another thing that made you billions, you would ignore the billions and only concentrate on the millions? Remove the hate from your mind and appreciate greatness when you see it, numbers don't lie my nigga......PEACE!

FireUpNow:

Hahahaha. Will the bricklayers and other artisans be claiming to own the house too? Tinubu is claiming other people's glory and he wants to own Lagos for himself. His campaign is full of fraudulent claims my dear. Tell him to stop lying dishing out false statistics.

Where you dey in 1999? Perhaps not born yet or still immature to know anything but try visiting Lekki and Ajah side that year and you would know the difference. The same Ikorodu road that people travel on now, go and check out the photos from before 1999, you want to compare sleep with death then compare what the state brought in as income before 1999 to what it brought in as at 2007, una go just open mouth yen yen yen but believe me all the other states wishes their governor could do what Tinubu has done in Lagos, hate him or love him, you cannot deny his impact, you cannot deny the vision that brought us Fashola and that Lagos is enjoying the continuation of his vision. Even the FG is amazed by what Tinubu did financially, from OBJ to Buhari now, without Lagos there's no Nigeria.

Anything to trend, everybody dey come from abroad, na only your own dem target, attention seeker oshi

Agbegbaorogboye:

I get your point now.
And I respect it.
You're saying now that he's not lying but not saying the whole truth either.
But that was not my point at all.
My point is that he's actually trying painting himself to be a saint when he's clearly not. It's that dishonesty I detest because I sense some form of arrogance and condescending attitude towards Nigerians.
It's one thing for our leaders to look down on us while in office, while it's another to take us for fools while seeking the office.
But it's not really a problem for me. Nigerians will always get the leaders they deserve.
Thanks for your time and the opinion

You're funny, even the people supporting Tinubu know that he ain't no saint, no shaking, nice chat....Peace!