AlexBells:

I prefer Zik supporting Balawa to Awo, his educational proposal to the North was a mere greek gift with a long time plan of destroying the caliphate by anticipating the Hausas

And again I don't believe in free education so I prefer the Ziks methods in the East education being free is not good for the future becuase of the cost of education materials;

Education is paid for through income tax so the richer a nation becones the easier it is to fund free education and an educated north would be much better

AlexBells:

Proper leadership may not even come, just drink your coffee, tea or water and understand that life goes on, the problem of Nigeria is impatience, what was wrong with the first Republic?, let's be patience time heals and solves

The problem with the first republic was tribalism had Zik won in the Western region as he was supposted to then a lot of the problems and animosity between the Yoruba and Igbo throughout the first republic would have never taken place and had Zik not supported Balewa instead of Awolowo as premier Nigeria likely would have achieved 100% ,iteracy decades ago but that's life proper leadership will come eventually

AlexBells:

Nothing have happened today that have not happened before, just keep your solution in your mind and let nature run its course, at every damn time for the past 60 years each time it seem that the country is breaking it get stronger

When did I say the country was breaking? I said those are all ingredients for the country to get proper leadership come 2023

Gandollar:
Nigerians cannot wake up, not just yet. I'm appalled when I see folks like you so expectant from 2023 elections.
I ask myself, are Americans going to contest election here or is the structure and culture of strong men as against strong institutions finally eroded.

Even if Obama is president here, he would fail!

The structure itself is set up to make any who's ready to work, fail.

There's no hope for Nigeria and there's no prize in saying the obvious.

Look at the voting for instance. Are you gonna change the fraudulent electoral process now?

How then do you want this magic you expect in 2023 to happen, when election is voided over card reader malfunction in some places, but will allow election without the card reader continue in some places.

I'm sorry but I don't see any hope for an egalitarian society till thy kingdom comes. Except we unbundle like you suggested, be it restructuring or secession.

My view is the people will stand up and take a stance very soon maybe not 2023 but still 2027

The fraudulent voting process would once again be solved if the people took a stance you think one man can defeat a 100 angry people trying to get their votes registered?

They bring in gun men? We bring in our own if ESN can get guns so can we the people and we will fight back

My view is that the whole structure of Nigeria will be destroyed very soon not the nation itself but the whole form of government, the constitution, the civil sector even the way the currency is run will be changed and the sooner this happens the better it is for Nigeria and i'm very hopeful that it can happen soon because everything is aligning right now

Youths are getting ready to vote
Parties are merging to form a third force
Anger is rising amongst the people
People are finding more solutions to our problems
PDP and APC are continously failing reducing confidence in them
and finally we are starting to see our similarities and seeing where we can move forward
with the way things are going we're either set for a revolution or a massive change of who is in power

AlexBells:

The fact remains these things are just awkward becuase at the end things would go back to the way it used to be the other two will start asking for independence from Nigeria again and if they overstep Biafra would be a child's play on what could happen to either of North or west when they try to leave if the Igbos eventually got back to the master plan

There'd be no reason to leave if there's no marginilzation or problems, the fall of Nigeria into civil war started with the coup then the centralization of Nigeria into a unitary system of government then came the rejection of the Aburi Accord then as a punishment after the civil war Gowon and Obasanjo increased the oppression on the Igbos then we had a chance for change but instead got Shagari so the bad leadership continues but in the end if we can go back to the system we had at the start and make sure the military doesn't have the capacity for a coup then we should be good this time around

BKayy:

The ports were closed by British and Nigeria in 1967 following the blockade of Biafra till date. Its not due to any lack of good leadership.
It is a calculated plan to make Ndigbo permanent economic refugees in other parts of Nigeria. A move which is working perfectly well in Lagos and Western Nigeria.

As for your Chinese example. That is the answer to your why Ndigbo are strict with the few "saboteurs" determined to make Ndigbo continue in servitude and disgrace in Nigeria for their selfish gain.

China is made up of more than 80% Han Chinese numbering over 1 billion so for the Chinese to become great, they have to cut out the few West philic saboteurs that prefer China being under Western cage which unfortunately are up to 70 million (that is roughly 7 percent of just Han population)
I doubt those against Igbo freedom in Igboland are up to that 7%. So it China paid such price, it won't be that big of the future of Igboland.

Remember that you were the one that brought China into this, which more like someone coming with a rope for his hanging

That blockade ended long ago and the ports have been opened just recently Onne port received a massive boat and they're currently constructing a 200 million dollar expansion to Onne port to make it a lot larger and more viable so to say they're still marginilazing the east till this day is wrong and I told you very clearly that more then 3 port projects are currently in the works in the Eastern region and a railway connecting one of these ports to Onitsha, Aba and Port harcourt is literally under construction although Nigeria isn't being led well progress is still being made so imagine what would happen if we actually had good leadership let's be positive and not negative

And those people in China who died were killed by Famine because of the horrible economic policies of Mao so what you said was wrong

Idiko1:


Bro it would have been worse for us, you and me, if Biafra did not fight the war. If Ndigbo had succumbed to mere aggressive shenanigan from northern and western regions without blooding their nose as we did, you will never be allowed to walk the road. You can imagine the intensity in their eye when Biafra is mentioned in Nigeria. Mberekede ka eji ama dike.

What are you talking about look at Michael Okpara what exactly was happening to his Eastern Region that was so bad? The federal government worked with him to set up a federal mortgate scheme so if they worked with him to set up schemes that benefitted him and his people how exactly woudl the Eastern Region be worse for it?

Infact I suspect that had Nigeria continued he would have become premier at some point after Azikiwe or Awolowo

Gandollar:
Can expatiate on what you mean by "proper change" in 2023?

Don't tell me when a Southerner takes over as president o.

I'll love to know who among everyone jostling for the post now is the Messiah.

I don't care where said person is from all they need to be is compassionate, a person of integrity and a good leader and all they have to promise is
free healthcare
free education
restructuring
new constitution
But they would need a massive party structure for this my hope is the new third force coaltion currently in the works between all parties in Nigeria except APC and PDP will produce a massive range of good leaders from the LGA level to the Presidency levek and we can get the reforms we need but Nigerians will need to wake up in order for this to take place

AlexBells:

If the first Republic was not destroyed I bet Eastern Region would be like South Korea by now

I agree Okpara was doing amazing things for the Eastern Region and at some point other regions would have observed the way other regions are working and would replicate that same thing they were doing in their own states so there likely would have been massive investments in industry and agriculture ( Eastern Region ) Investments to make education and healthcare free ( Western Region ) And investments to make ranching more sustainable ( Northern Region ) The way in which Nigeria would have develop if the first coup had never happened is crazy but all we can do now is look to the future and see how we can improve on our past mistakes

BKayy:

I will answer you in one, two, three

1.) Easier trade is guaranteed where there is free movement of goods in and out of the country . Can that be said for Ndigbo in Nigeria where their own and nearest ports (Eastern ports) are blocked by Nigerian port policy?

2.)Ndigbo leaving Nigeria will make Igbo land the largest Economy in West Africa after the limits placed by us by Nigeria, eg the ports is relieved.
Secondly Nigeria is not a nation as they lack all the characteristics to be called one. Contraption is the name and right now with the death toll of 7 million since independent and 300,000 as of last year, how many do you think will be alive in the next 50 years to call themselves big?

3.) immediately Igboland leaves Nigeria, any bank or multinational that intends to deal with the new nation must establish a base in the new Country significantly increasing her chance for receiving investments. While many starts investing in the country directly as a way of increasing their influence and reach.

4.)the birth of Igboland will lead to the immediate regulation on the quality of agricultural products thereby increasing the health of the population not positioning it to a dumpster. The country in her own creates an arm to handle the agricultural needs of the country based on the country's taste.

Infact Nigeria is a Curse to Igboland.
A contraption designed with the sole aim of punishing and trying Ndigbo down

I didn't even care to ask you if you might be confident to travel by road to the other parts of the so called Country right now.

China has a death toll of over 100 million since independence does that make China a contraption?

The ports being closed is due to the lack of good leadership but you cannot ignore the fact that three ports are under construction in the east the Warri port, Bakassi port and Bonny port so to say there's no progress being made in free trade to the east is false even with bad leadershio we're moving forward

The rest of your points are emotional and not based upon any actual economic basis so i'll ignore those the fact of the matter is that having an independent nation won't ensure progress or even good leadership you can't vote good leaders now why would you be able to vote good leaders in ethnic states just answer that question for me this is the sixth time i've asked

Igboid:


Nope Ala is not same as Ogboni.
Ala is not an occupy group. It's a deity in charge of fertility and abundance, that must be cleansed once defiled by those who committed abomination.
Stop overreaching Biko.
Ori has nothing to do with "Chi" if it were, it would be part of Yoruba naming system like Chi.

Ndiigbo don't share much with west Africa. Our kin and kiths are more in Central Africa.

I was giving an example of a similaritiy Ala has to do with earth and so does Ogboni only difference is that the Ogboni formed a group around it meaning that Ogboni it more like the Ekpe society of the Igbos

I'll try and find what is actually considered Ala in the Yoruba religion but I assure you there's a name for it

Ori has everything to do with Chi it is the spiritual self that resides in the body and they are stilll different languages so how exactly do you expect them to have the same name?

And it is impossible for the Kin and Kith of the Igbos to be in Central Africa because those in Central Africa belong to a completely different language group which the Igbos are not part of, Central Africa is Bantu meanwhile Yoruba are niger congo just like the Igbo so that statement alone tells me that you don't know shit about DNA, culture or even similarities in DNA and culture

Igboid:


You are living in Fantasyland bro.
You can as well unite the whole world under one country, afterall we are all homo sapiens.

You obviously don't know anything about Igbo traditional religion.
Does the Yoruba Cosmos recognize Ofor na Ogu? Do they recognize Chi na eke? Do they know Ani/Ala/Ali/Ana?
Nwanne, you are far, nataba!

Yorubas are even like 60% Muslims and most Yoruba Christians have Muslim background.

Please, Ndiigbo are not similar to Yorubas and myriads of ethnicities in Nigeria.T
We are not.
We share a thing with Ananng, Ibibio and Ekoid groups though and with the Igalanized Igbos now found in Kogi-Anambra/Enugu boundaries.
That's just all about it.
Either way, we want Republic of Igboland.

They share all those terms you mentioned but simply under a different name Ala is similar to the Ogboni deity or essentially a deity of the earth and when it comes to the concept of Chi the Yoruba have the concept of Ori or the spiritual self i've talked to people who know more then 10 times what you know about Igbo religion and they all tell me there's massive similarities between the two you know Medicine Shell that Youtube Channel on Igbo history and religion i've talked to them severally and they agreed there's similarities not only in the divination process but also in the names of deities, shrine figures, spiritual self and even with masquerades you're the one who knows nothing how are the similarities between Yoruba and Igbo even similar to the wide diversity between Humans?

All groups in Southern Nigeria up to Togo share many similarities in Language, culture and religion that's an undoubted fact and in my opinion if Nigeria must split it should be a north south divide and not a south east, south central, south west etc divide as IPOB continously promote

sonmvayina:


Then you don't really know anything...

Go back to the basics..

How am I the one that knows nothing?

In Christianity you can pray to God

In Odinani you cannot communicate or even address Chukwu

In Christianity there's Jesus

In Odinani there's no Jesus

In Odinani there's Afa divination through a Dibia with cowrie shells or kola nut

In Christianity there's no such concept of divination talk less of a kola not and cowrie shells

In Odinani there's charms

In Christianity there's no charms

And that's only the tip of the iceberg the religions aren't similar in any type of form whatsoever

BKayy:

When IPOB defeat Nigeria like Eritrea did to Ethiopia, the avenue will appear by force like it did in Ethiopia.
Just relax and enjoy the movie.
The flame has been ignited. It will take decades like the one of Eritrea that took two decades but it will happen.

Is Eritrea any better for it though?

BKayy:

There is no single benefit of Nigeria for Ndigbo.

Tell me one and I will tell you 5k bad side of Biafra.
It is a challenge

Easier trade as there is no border between groups
Access to a much larger economy and nation
Potential to recieve larger bank of investments ( larger nation )
Higher demand from other areas for manufactured goods and agricultural goods means more revenue for Ndigbo

Besides it's 2021 is there really a point in dividing at this point in time? Should we not weather through this dryspot in history and see what we can do to build back better? A group recently did a consultation with Ifa and Afa and they said Nigeria is rife for revolution come 2022 and by 2023 there will be a massive change shall we not wait for that massive change to occur before automatically choosing secession?

Igboid:


You need a uniting ideology usually belonging to the most dominant (populated) group to build a stable nation on.
India has myriads of ethnicities, but is build on dominant Hindi culture.
China is built on Han culture.

This is usually how it is. Even an anomaly like USA( built on a conquered territory of indigenous Ameridian tribes) was built on a strong Anglo-Saxon-Christiianity-Masonic foundation which everyone else coming there must fit into.
There are millions of Muslims in USA, but when you think USA, you think Christianity/Masonic.

Nigeria has none.

Afa of Ndiigbo has nothing to do with Ifa of Yorubas.
We are a distinct people from Yorubas both in our world outlook and even appearance.

We are nationally extreme capitalists while Yorubas favour socialism. We are predominantly Christians, while Yorubas are ambivalent between Islam and Xtianity.

The Igbo are a Yes or No people. Yorubas hold unto their "grey answers" tightly and rebrand it as "suffersticated".

We are Democratic and egalitarian in nature, Yorubas are Monarchical and hierarchical in nature.
None of those characteristics are bad, they are just not miscible.

And I have not even started talking about the Hausa-Fulanis.
These are extremities of social behaviors that can never be reconciled within same geographical expression. Not even Zik, Awo or Balewa could do that when it was still a bit less complex.
Insanity is repeating same mistakes over and over and expecting different results

Afa of the Igbo and Ifa of the Yoruba are very similar although cultural and social views vary ultimately they're both part of the Niger-Congo family group, they both share common words and practices ( Yam festival, masquerades etc. ) and the forms of religion are very similar we both use divination processes and we both use cowrie shells or kola nuts in these divination processes we both believe that direct contact with the supreme God, Olodumare or Chukwu isn't possible we both have a range of intermediary spirits Orisha or Alusi we both use music, chant, song, dance, incantation and divinations to invoke said spirits to help us but essentially the fact of the matter is that both groups share similarities and the same applies for the Edo, Jukun, Igala, Urhobo, Itsekiri, Nupe and even the Hausa to a certain degree there is the possibility to build a base upon our traditional religion and cultures which are all similar in fashion to each other

All it needs is a uniting figure to bring all these cultures under a singular Nigerian cultural and religious theme to make as a base and for the most part the Yoruba aren't Muslim it is about 10-20% which still leaves the vast majority there as Christians and traditionalists but Igbos do still have a few muslims among them and that fact cannot be denied although not as large as the Yoruba population i'd estimate up to 1-3% of the Igbo population are muslims but you get the point there is a clear unifying cultural and religious theme across Nigeria and even if we are to divide it should be that we secede from the north as in north proper Kano, Bauchi, Sokoto those places but retain Taraba, Kogi, Benue, parts of Niger you know the middle belt because we're all similar and united in that sense

BKayy:

Leaving Nigeria signifies the unification.
The Romans said this to the Poles. That their revolutionaries are herding them to a choas where they will eat each other whole until Polish freedom.
Today look at Poland.
Just like expulsion of Romans from Poland and Germania signifies and resulted in the unification of Germania and Poland, Ndigbo leaving Nigeria will signify the emergence of Igboland/Alaigbo.

This is so ahistorical that it's funny but continue

The fact of the matter is Nigeria dividing won't ensure good leadership or progress only thing that will is the people actually opening their eyes and voting in the right people if that isn't done then there's no hope for progress whatsoever

And the benefits of One Nigeria far outweight the benefits of Biafra a progressive Nigeria could signal the end of all dictatorships in Africa, signal an end to oppression and denigration of black people across the world and give us Africans a voice on the larger world platform you really think they can negate a superpower from having a voice?

Nigeria has everything it needs for massive growth and development all it lacks is good leadership

BKayy:

Igbo say "Mgbe onye ji teta bụ ụtụtụ ya"

Ndigbo face no serious external threat and as such saw no reason to have a centralised unity based on our distinct democracy (don't give your self the idea of monarchy like you Nigerians always do when unity is mentioned)

And as an automous place, each reserves the right to carry out any personal expedition she sits fit.

Didn't Oyo invade, displace and subjugate 80% of what is modern Yorubas in Nigeria?
80% of what was independent and autonomous people with many not even claiming Yoruba today?

Or Wessex doing their thing in England?
Or Paris holding theirs in Frankia?
Or the Pope doing his own personal wonders in Europe?
Or Naples in Italy?
Or Prussia in Germany?

Until the rise of the Ottomans and external aggressors, most of these people didn't see any need for a united Italy, France or England.

So now, there is a need for a united Igbo nation because of the threats and that is what any reasonable Igbo man should be working towards. The first step is to leave Nigeria

What are you talking about? England existed as one as far back as 1000AD before the battle of hastings with France and the Vikings even began so what is this external aggresors theory you're trying to make?

There's no valid reason to leave Nigeria unless the country doesn't work until we actially deal with the fundamental problems nothing will change no matter how much we divide ourselves the problem is bad leadership and stupid voters unless a concerted effort is made to solve both problems nothing will change even in Biafra unless we vote the right leaders we cannot suddenly claim that division will solve that problem


Now answer this question i've already asked 5 times

How does secession into different nations magically give people the ability to vote in the right leaders if they weren't able to do it in Nigeria before?

sonmvayina:


I follow God's commandments. It is called the Torah by the jews but we igbo calls it omenani and odinani..

Why do you guys love to twist the truth the beliefs in the Torah and Bible and the so called ten commandments of the Christians are completely different from the beliefs in Odinani

Igboid:


You are deluded if you think Nigeria will win a referendum in Igboland.
You need help. As you are so out of touch with reality.
NIGERIA is not and has never been a nation. Maybe you need to recheck Oxford dictionary for the meaning of a NATION.

NIGERIA will not get it right even for 1 billion years,there is no solid base to build a Nigerian unity on,as the constituent units are divergent and there is no outright majority culture/group to build the unity on.

You don't need a majority culture to build the nation upon and even if you did Nigeria already has one if you observe the religions of all of the ethnic groups in Nigeria and even up to Ghana they're basically identical between the Yoruba, Igbo, Edo, Urhobo, Nupe, Igala, Jukun, Ijaw and even groups in the hausa there's a clear link especially in the name of the divination systems Ifa, Afa, Efa, Fa, Epha, etc so there's already a sort of cultural and religious unity between different ethnic groups in Nigeria and what Nigeria needs is to develop a Nigerian identity that is key to the progress of our nation unfortunately that cannot be achieved if Nigerians keep on voting by ethnicity and not by merit or competency

Creating ethnic states won't magically give people the ability to vote good leaders

Idiko1:


You should ask if the so-called Nigeria have ever tried to build a good society. Good leaders do not fall from the sky. A society produces a good. In the the above crap, you buttressed the stream of thought only known to Nigerians. The problem is Nigeria.

Nigeria has produced many good leaders Okpara,Akintola,Awolowo,Azikiwe, Kano, Fanwhenheimi ( Don't know how to spell his name ), Mailafiah and many others to say Nigeria has failed to produce good leaders and stupid to say the least. It is the people who have failed to vote in the right leaders out of the hundreds that have contested in elections just watch in this election how Soludo or Ubah win instead of Maduka or Nwankpo our problem isn't the existence of Nigeria but the stupidity of the citizens

AlexBells:

Nobody is asking Nigeria to work as an entity the constituent can work independently, you can't think that the Fulani can over run Nigeria, if there is any Nigerian nation which have such capacity it is the Igbos abd the last time I checked we are not enslaving by nature.

I'm not saying that Nigeria should stay for a thousand years before getting it right, I'm only saying a thousand years is possible if you don't use the right approach, if you want Biafra it is fine but only the majority would decide that and you and I knows that the day the conduct a free and fair referendum in Nigeria, Biafra would loose

You know why, that they Nigeria would be confident enough to conduct a referendum it means that Nigeria had become great and majority would not want to leave a great Nigeria for the unkown that's my logic let's unify AlaIgbo and let those who want to make Nigeria a failed state continue, Biafrans are not the problem here once Nigeria fails we consolidate our own Republic but get involved in the fight and some terror would be inherited.

Wouldn't it be better to make an actual effort to put a good leader in place rather then wait for a collapse in a nation?Becasue the collapse can only come through war or extreme poverty of the whole populace neither are promising options

Idiko1:



I have heard this nonsense for my entire life on earth yet the worst is about to unfold. Are you sure you will still see Nigeria at 2040?

Have Nigerians even tried to vote a good leader before? In 1979 you had Awolowo, Azikiwe and Kano yet you chose Shagari, in 1999 you chose Obasanjo over everybody else when he had already showed himself as a bad leader before in 2007 you chose Yar'adua because of 'zoning' although he was decent we could have done much better as in Gani fanwenheimi was there as well but it must be 'zoning' to decide our next president then we had jonathan not a good leader but in 2015 you saw Buhari a leader who recked the economy in the 80s and decided yes that is a great option and see where's that gotten us never in our history have we chosen a good leader as president ever and until that is done we obviously won't see progress and ultimately if you can't choose a good leader in Nigeria why would you be able to choose a good leader in Biafra and Oduduwa nobody has been able to answer this question

BKayy:

All you said ended up contradicting you.
Whatever Aro did with Ibini Ukpabi doesn't prove anything about Ndigbo after all it was not against another Igbo group. Even at that didn't Wessex conquer the whole of England?
Uthman Dan Fodio conquer the whole of Hausa people?
Ibn Saud conquer the whole of Saudi Arabia and expelled the house of Khalifa?

I don't know what you people are talking about.
The only place referred to as a place with the tribes identity during colonialism was only Igboland.
Until after colonialism, no other group apart from few like Bini go by such name.

The term Yoruba land have never existed until they gain Independence from Nigeria because only 60% of Yoruba land is in Nigeria and they have never for once in their existence existed as a single country or Nation.
There was nothing like Yoruba land until recently.

The same goes with Hausa. Only around 75 percent exist in Nigeria. Until they were conquered by the Fulani they existed as heavily fragmented regions ruled by heavily independent kabes with none exerting influence on the other.
There was nothing and is still nothing like Hausa land today courtesy of Sokoto Caliphate.

So what are you people talking about.
Didn't Naples enjoy fighting other Italian states and even have the fantasy of controlling all of Florence wealth?

What do you people mean by unity?

If Igboland is peaceful then so will the inhabitants be peaceful the Aro still count as Igbos and conquered other lands and you still made no mention of why there would be Abam warriors extremely well trained fighters in existence if they were peaceful

This conversation is about Igbos you're the group canvassing the most for disintegration of Nigeria and yes most other places in modern day Nigeria weren't united until Nigeria was created but you tried to make the points that the Igbos were united which is false so why bring in other ethnic groups in Nigeria as if we don't already know that they weren't all united before Nigeria cane.

And in terms of Europe they became united over 400-500 years ago so that isn;t the same as in Africa stop trying to use that as an example

Idiko1:


I had been resourcefully informed that a fool at forty is a fool forever. Where does this categorization leave Nigeria which is well over forty and counting? I cannot believe you cited craps as the cornerstone of you argument for the one-legged Nigeria.

That applies to a man who's lifespan is no more on average then 80 years how are you comparing a saying for a man to a nation? It is in a nations hardest times where you find out how far it will go because I promise you if Nigeria stays together and the people wake up to vote in good leaders or just vote decent people by 2040 Nigerians will be happy they made the decision to stay as one

BKayy:

It is funny that the same people shouting Ndigbo are not united are the ones actively fighting to prevent the unity.

Until Ndigbo secede from Nigeria, Alaigbo modern history as a unified people will never start. Once Nigeria is broken into pieces, the first thing to follow suit is a unified Igbo constitution and laws which will mark the very first beginning of modern Igbo country.
That is what these two are fighting against.

You're trying to make it seem like you've always been united that isn't the case nobody is against Igbo unity just against ahistorical views and stories ultimately the best option for all groups is to ACTUALLY VOTE THE RIGHT LEADERS if you can't do it in Nigeria why would you suddenly be able to do it in an ethnic state? Think critically not from a tribal point of view

BKayy:

Google is your friend. Google how many independent kingdoms existed in England before Vikings invasion.

How many independent kingdoms and Republics existed in Italy until recently

How many autonomous emirs and Districts existed in Kano (I didn't even say North) alone until the amalgamation.

How many independent Kingdoms existed in France until their unification. Even Paris was an independent kingdom until recently.

How many chiefdoms existed in Arabia until the house of Saudi supported by Wahhabi unified Saudi Arabia.

So what are you people saying?

In Igboland was mere autonomy which every Democratic nation respected but all I listed above except kano were full independent kingdoms

All those places became unified other 500 years ago the Igbos were never close to unification and it wasn;t even in the works for Kano the Sokoto caliphate united it with all the other hausa states so that point cannot be supported I don't see how 500 years is recently though that's the thing all the examples and points you gave are senseless and don't even make sense in the first place had Nigeria not been created the Igbos wouldn't be unified accept that fact

BKayy:

Nigeria never united Ndigbo.
First of all what you call Nigeria is the southern part of the present day Nigeria.
The North was not addressed as such until the amalgamation.

Second of all, I notice that you are very keen on stiring what you think will disunite Ndigbo but you lack the historical knowledge to do so.
Before the establishment of Nigeria, Onitsha struck deals with Obosi, Ogbunike etc not as people from separate nations but related people.

Thirdly, the unification of Igbo Language is not as you people put it. Infact like the Catholic converted with Ubani dialect, Anglican did theirs with Onitsha dialect. So what are you saying?
If the people from Mbaise or any example you use cannot understand or doesn't see them as related groups there won't be basis of using such dialect in another their town in the first place.

Of all the place the British colonised as Nigeria, Alaigbo was the only place with relative peace until they introduced slave trade.

As for your independent city state. Every town in Igboland is already an independent city state until Ndigbo bring out their own united constitution for the first time after Nigeria.
Thank you

Nigeria did unite the Igbos there was never a time where the Igbos were all in a singular nation or state they were all broken apart into small city states, or village commynities and a few became kingdoms but they were never one

Alaigbo was never peaceful as you wrongly claim there's always been wars between different Igbo groups even before the slave trade the Aro fought a war for Ibini Ukpabi and that's just a singular example there were many wars between different groups otherwise why would they have special fighting techniques with swords? Or be specialized in the making of shields and helmets for protection in battle as far back as the 1500s the Abam warriors were feared across the southern parts of Nigeria and were even hired to fight in the Benin-Idah wars so how exacttly were you peaceful?

I'll just ignore your last point doesn't even begin to make sense


But just so you see what the real problem is watch this Anambra election there's many good candidates yet all the people will still vote Soludo even though Nwankpo and Maduka exist

Nwankpo promised to bring back the Umunna form of governance or decentralized leadership where each community is represented that way each community can get what they need most through the community head not only that but he plans on beautifying the ontisha waterfront, building schools and hospitals and improving power supply in commercial and industrial areas to attract more investments but in the coming election eh will get less then 10k votes

Maduka built schools, hospitals, roads, housing and even boreholes for his community showing he can deliver quality projects for good prices for the whole state of Anambra but he will still lose to Soludo who with all his money has done next to nothing for his community our problem is that we don't have sense and we don't vote the right people not that we're in Nigeria or that we're too diverse

Sergio101:


Since how many years??.
I think you are more Master English than the England who rightly put "a fool at forty is a fool forever".
Now your own standard is a fool at 61. Not just that things are getting better but getting worse.
On the case of finding a good leader to lead the nation outside Apc and PDP............. You know the country you find yourself into.

Nigeria is a relatively young nation and the problem with Nigeria isn't that it exists or even that it's diverse but that the people haven;t canvassed properly for good leadership dividing into ethnic states won't ensure any progress i've even seen some saying in Biafra orji Kalu will be the president and in Oduduwa Tinubu will be president how exactly does that ensure development or progress? Attack the underlying issue and deal with it and currently that's lack of unity between the people and tribalism most of the time votes are informed by ethnicity if that isn't ended there'll be no progress

BKayy:

This is where you are wrong.
There won't be any war, after all is San Marino not a country in Italy?
You talk as if Igbo survival depend on Opobo or any of the mentioned group.

Igbo Nation "exists as a union of independent autonomous region" same as most reasonable nations in the world so any part of Igboland that doesn't want to join won't be forced except if a particular family or group within want to claim the place as a prize of conquest. That goes to the family you are claiming they were accepted by the people of Opobo. Was there any referendum on whether jaja will represent them?
Or any of such proof of acceptance?

I believe you now understand what I am talking about.
Almost al Nations in the world exist as a union of autonomous similar people including England (a significant amount are even vikings, celts etc)

Hausa, the same.
Yoruba is more visible.
Bini, the same
Ijaw never existed.

On the last part, who did you say "Ndigbo" will struggle with over OPOBO?
That is if Ndigbo was an imaginary alien or Opobo themselves are not one.

The whole documentation you speak of, shows and proves that Opobo and Ubani are not cases. The only ones that no longer tally with contemporary people on ground is Kalabari, Ogoni and Annang
If the later must be part of the new union. There scope and limits will be clearly defined

Not every country is strucutred as an autonomous state of different people a country can only exist in such a manner if it's a federalist state England doesn't fit into your description at all there's no autonomous states that make up England and his point is right and is infact what I think will happen with these nation states slowly over time corruption will still be there and so will the rampant poverty so individual groups like Anioma, Aguleri, Ubani etc. Will breakaway and form their own individual nations but still there'll be no progress and I hope if it ever reaches that point they'd have learnt that ethnicity doesn't ensure progress

BKayy:

Are you sure you've researched about the war at all?
You speak off.
BTW, Looking at Ndigbo, do we look like people that want to waste another second in Nigeria?

Stop speaking for all Igbos each of you have different opinions on the state of Nigeria