Truthvalue:

Where did I declare that Jesus is real ? So basically your oduduwa story is a dogma at the same level as religions ? Ok, at least you agree that oduduwa never existed and you just force yourself to believe in it and you want to force others to believe in it also. Ok. Goodbye now.

He existed but he was deified the most likely line of history is this

Obatala was the name of the original lineage of Ife kigns called the Ugbo

They were overwhelmed by the power of Oduduwa who was able to unite the different Yoruba groups into a singular spiritual and cultural center at Ife

The Ugbo went to settle down in modern day Ondo State

That's the true story the stories of Oduduwa climbing down a chain to earth or Oduduwa taking over from Obatala to make humans and the earth likely refers to his strength in uniting humans and making new lineages within the world

But to say he was a modern creation or never existed is stupidity

Born2Breed:


You are such a child. Lol!!!

Your better has tried spinning this jargons and when they couldn't succeed they resulted to books written after by their co-revisionist on their return from slaves ships.

The Benin has NEVER claim to be the source of the lukumi's or Yoruba as you were all known before the slaves returnee neither did we claim to be the source of the Igbos. But most royal houses trace their origin to Benin Empire.

The Benin you are trying to reduce now was a fortress with citizens treated like your royals when your ancestors were running around half naked, being captured like cockroaches and sold into slavery.

Benin nobles literally bought cloth from the Yoruba and Nupe when cloth manufacturing is mentioned predominantly it relates to the Yoruba, Nupe and Igbo groups making the cloths and selling them so how exactly were my ancestors running around naked?

We made all of the glass that you guys used for your houses don't argue go and search the only glass made in the West African forest belt indigenously was from Ile Ife so any glass you used came from there

We made the cloth you used

We taught you the art of bronze casting

Your religion is literally based off of our own religion you even share common names for deities like Osun and Ogun

Truthvalue:

Ok, forget my claim of awolowo making up the story of oduduwa for now, and just show me proof oduduwa is real which is your thesis.
Mine is that oduduwa, Ogiso, orammiyan are myths.

Prove to me that Jesus was real

KingOKON:
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It did not start just start in a Forrest it is a cult group used in governing a society, where did you go pick up this Rubbish story from?

* Nsibidi and Ekpe society existed thousands of years before anything like Nigeria
Aros were a mixture of Ibibios Ekois and Ibos remnant, that's was why they able to join and belong to the Ekpe society.
However their level of practice ,writings and language was limited

That's what Igbo history said it was discovered from the Idiok in a forest then became the Ekpe Society other time and you didn't disprove any of my points you're literally repeating them straight at me

samuk:


Just incase you got the 1824 date from my writeup, let me clarify some points.

1824 was when the first Europeans visited the hinterland of Yoruba (Oyo) and started gathering first hand historical accounts of the Yoruba people.

Around this same time the Europeans also visited the Sultan of Sokoto, Sultan Bello, Sultan Bello had documented that the Yorubas migrated from the middle east (Mecca).

The Europeans that were in Oyo (the lander Brothers and co) collected a different tradition from that of Sultan Bello.

In both accounts, Oduduwa wasn't mentioned.

Oduduwa was a myth in some Yoruba traditions until some returnee slaves such as Samuel Johnson started writing the history of the Yoruba.

Samuel Johnson in 1897 built his Yoruba middle east origin on Sultan Bello's 1822-1824 narrative but unlike Sultan Bello that claimed that the Yorubas migrated from Mecca, Samuel Johnson argued in the direction of Egypt because he said there were no records of Oduduwa in the history of Mecca.

This is how a mythical Oduduwa was transformed into the Moses that led his Yoruba people from the middle east to their current location in Nigeria. Some Igbos did the same by tracing themselves back to Israel.

The Oduduwa story was built on Sultan Bello's 1824 unsubstantiated narrative.

What some of you propagate as history are mostly layers of lies told over time by different people and Yoruba history is full of these kind of narratives, they try to get away with it by telling you they were scholarly works by experts.

The so called experts need materials to work with and in most cases these materials are lies told over time and at the end the experts and professionals just help to further the lies to advance their careers.

The only true history are the ones documented by eyewitnesses who happened to witness what they wrote down. This is why Benin has no rival and a reference point.

Benin is the only significant kingdom/empire in Nigeria with such eyewitness historical accounts dating back to the 1400s, Yoruba eyewitness historical accounts started in 1824, the story of Oduduwa was created much later.

The Portugese and Dutch quite literally came into contact with the Ijebu and traded with them as far back the 1500s so your claim of no Yoruba having contact with Europeans till the 1800s is wrong you can try all you want but the history of Oduduwa comes from the Odu Ifa which cannot be corrupted the stories of the Odu Ifa have been the same since the dawn of time

Poiu11:
stop watching channels tv.... and ijaw television. they are the one shouting south south,,, and niger delta. the rest of nigeria does not shout it..

The rest of Nigeria does know and shout about it. It's the government that created the SS not the media

Poiu11:
igbo are greed .... they know the right thing to do... that is the turn of the west.

You need to fucking die your stupidity is fucking pissing me off it isn't the turn of the west and even if it was the West has no good leader in the works unlike the SE that has Moghalu and Peter Obi you really think we'll choose Tinubu or Osinbajo over those two? You're a fool

Poiu11:
there is nothing like south south. that is pdp party believe... pdp is not in power.

That is what is there and it is what was created you have Yorubas, Igbos, Niger Delta and North all of those groups have touched power apart from the Igbos

Truthvalue:
dude, show me the documents instead of telling me it exists ! Show it to me !

You're the one who made the initial claim that it was written by Awolowo so bring your evidence first then i'll bring mine

Truthvalue:


No ! The name oduduwa was ready written about before awolowo was born, but the story of oduduwa (or the stories) which we know now were created by awolowo and his political gang.

They were first written down in 1824 including the stories before Awolowo and his father was born so you're wrong continue trying to create false history

Poiu11:
nigeria will not break up if the igbo dont have the president,,, the igbos are only interest in biafra president.

Bro you're clearly an idiot so you haven't seen the Igbos saying 2023 presidency or secession? Igbos will leave and Nigeria will break if they don't get presidency the West has gotten its turn in power let the Igbos have their own

Poiu11:
there are igbo in bayelsa state.. goodluck is an igbo man.

He is an Ijaw man there may be Igbos in Bayelsa but he's still an Igbo

And besides we're going by geo political zone not ethnicity you said the west not Yoruba

The west got 8 years
North got 11
SS got 4
SE has 0

So 2023 is for SE specifically Moghalu

Poiu11:
goodluck jonathan name is azikiwe...... and he comes from otu eke... otu eke is an igbo speaking part of bayelsa state.... the igbo produce the president with goodluck

Goodluck Jonathan is Ijaw not Igbo

And ever heard of naming kids after heroes?

Baawaa:

Why are you lying, Jonathan spent 6years not 4 years

I thought it was from 2011-2015 and Yar'adua's tenure was from 2007-2010 or am I mistaken?

Poiu11:
we have to keep the unity of nigeria.. nigeria will break up if the west dont get the president

You know for a fact that's not true, Nigeria will break up if the SE doesn't get a president stop lying and in any case once the SE has gotten their 8 years we can stop zoning and start voting on meritocracy

Poiu11:
6 zone is an ohaneze idea.. not a nigeria idea

So Ohaneaze created the federal constitution and how Obasanjo thought when developing the model for Nigeria?

Poiu11:
eastern nigeria produce goodluck jonathan. it is the turn of the west. it is the pdp that believe in 6 zone... not nigeria law. it does mean other party should not believe in the right thing

If there's 6 zones as you claim then there's no such thing as Eastern Nigeria, Jonathan came from the SS and not the SE the Yoruba had 8 years with Obasanjo, The north has had 11 years with Yar'adua and Buhari, SS has had 4 years with Jonathan but the SE has gotten nothing so this coming election we're voting for Moghalu no question

Truthvalue:
1) Ogiso, oduduwa, oranmiyan are myths. None of them ever existed.
2) the oduduwa story was invented by a "yoruba" polical group which was led by awolowo, in parallel an other "yoruba" political group created the story of olofin which is basically a rival myth.
3) Benin didn't seek any political help from the yoruba, if anything, the Oba of Benin was annoyed of being dragged into a myth which reduced his imperial might to being likened to small kings like those of oyo and Ife.
4) the story of Ogiso is a reaction to the story of oduduwa and oranmiyan
5) edeyoung, you are an idiot.
6) abohboy, you are also an idiot.

1. There's no evidence that they're myths it's just your sentiment
2. The story of Oduduwa existed before Awolowo was even born try again
3. Benin did seek political help from the Yoruba as can be seen through the Oghane stories
4. No it's not it is an indigenous Bini story and doesn't even relate to the stories of Oduduwa and Oranmiyan for the Ogiso it is believed they were ordanied by God to lead but the people weren't happy meanwhile Oduduwa came to help make the earth and Oranmiyan was a king and a descendant of Oduduwa how are those the same? And Oyo at its peak was larger then Benin Empire and spanned from Ondo to Kwara all the way to Togo. And Ife had a larger cultural influence then Benin ever did the influence of Ife spanned from Togo all the way to the Niger delta with the Itsekiri and the confluence with the Nupe and Igala
5. You're the only fool here cry more

Nice video

Edeyoung:



Ogisos were mere mythical expressions by bins that was told to the white men, benin never for once believed in any Supreme being above, they believed all Gods existed on earth before the arrival of the whitemen... And the deceased remained on earth to guide their family from harm, they thought nothing of the heavens apart from the fact it brought down rains and sun which they believed the gods of the earth controlled

The concept of ogiso by the benins was born out of European influences of Christianity that believed on heavenly kings

The concept of osa( God) was born out of thesame Christianity later on after the myth of the ogiso which came centuries later, at this time the benins had fully accepted Christianity as another idol in the kingdom and as they were told the idol king Jesus leaved above

Now the concept behind benin and ife relation began after amalgamation when the benin sort political help from the Yoruba to unite in one false history for political benefit of the edo and Yoruba people and the history of Oduduwa migration into benin was born as the cultural unification...

You're trying so hard to rationalize your lies that it's sad

Olu317:
There is no need to over flog issue because there is non issue at all.

You see, Homo sapiens aren't the purpose of these messages interchange,rather Gene and not just Dna of Yorubas and other affiliated groups with Yorubas whose ancestry is admixture genetically which is of Neanderthal .

The Neanderthal gene is a father to son heritage and not maternal link. So, what the Yoruba gene is saying is that, the Yorubas are modern mankind as compared to ancient human, which has prompted the curious European and western researcher to always separated Yorubas from many African dna.

Afterall, the Yorubas are not one of the oldest bone in the world , even Africa. The Yorubas as a group do not share same Dna with ibos even with proximity of both groups.This is the point.

Your point is false i've explained it many times but you've failed to understand

SUFFERInSMILIIN:


I love the way you Fool Yourself. Look at your so cold vice president he cannot even travel by road because the roads are so bad he will travel by helicopter. Which country have you seen when a vice president wants to travel by road and the road becomes bad he jumps out of his vehicle and board anhelicopter.

That never even happened but go off

Tetrahedron:
Tinubu will be worse than buhari

Of course he will likely create a private company to take care of Nigeria's tax and revenue then send 20% of the revenue from this shadow company into his pockets he will loot like there's no tomorrow so let's make sure to vote Moghalu/ADC or Peter Obi/PDP ( If they choose him that is )

Dangerousboy:
thanks for your comment. To get more faith inspiring articles, check my profile.

The bible isn't our cultural heritage infact it isn't even our culture wake up from the hundreds of years of indoctrination and open your mind to the truth about the Bible and Christian beliefs

Ayomide811:
you expect Fulani and Hausa to vote for Ibo?

ADC has a decent presence in the north so they'll still get votes there, even PDP has a strong presence so whoever they present they'll still get votes but the battle in the north is just between Obi and Tinubu it is in the south where the proper battle will take place

Wirepool:

Peter Obi transformed Anambra state. Till date, he is the best governor Anambra ever produced. I know the state of Anambra before peter Obi and the big difference after he left. As for your baseless allegations about Him stealing Nigeria's money, till date no one accused him of stealing one naira from the government or any other place for that matter. The only thing that comes near an offence in the pandora leaks is that he didn't fully declare HIS OWN assets before becoming governor. What else is the crime in the pandora leaks? That a business man opened some businesses in other countries where he is not required to pay much tax? Since when did that become a crime? Are you the ones that will tell a man where to invest his own hard earned money? And he made some of those investments for his children and so what? Is there any good father that doesn't make investments for his children? You people that are shouting pandora up and down are just being mischievous because you know very well that Obi is a saint compared to all those brazen thieves you people are supporting

He will be a good leader no doubt but he isn't the BEST between Moghalu, Osinbajo and him in my opinion Moghalu would do a lot better then him in power he has a strong vision for Nigeria and clearly laid out plans on how to achieve each step in the plan and how to move forward from one step to the next if he gets a NASS that agrees with him then restructuring and the making of a new constitution can be completed in 2 years and he's made clear his plans to increase expendicture on capital projects by reducing the cost of recurrent expenditure and on top of that reducing the cost of funding the government as well

But till this day I haven't heard any indepth plans of Peter Obi for Nigeria in my opinion he should just be the premier of the Eastern Region with Moghalu as president

NgwalandAbia:
Osibande we need factories in Ondo not orphanage... yeye man.

So you haven't seen the factories that Akeredolu has built in Ondo?

Plywood
Ferilizer
Ethanol
Car assembly
Textiles

And that's just the start Akeredolu is arguably better then Osinbajo

ImmaculateJOE:

The kind failure wey pdp go experience if them field a northerner go shock buhari sef.
And any Igbo man that accepts VP slot will be treated as an efelefu.

Exactly if they choose Atiku then PDP has lost
Same way if APC choose Tinubu they've automatically lost

If APC and PDP are smart the next election will be Moghalu vs Peter Obi vs Osinbajo

haffaze777:


Moghalu?capital YES,Peter Peter Obi?capital No,I can't waste my vote on habitual liar and bigot man.

Well those are the two candidates the people have presented me personally I like Moghalu but I wouldn't mind seeing either of them in power

STFU

Gireiboy:

Where is this votes going to come from, the South or the North?

Both

Moghalu is most likely going to get majority of his votes from SE,SS,NC

Peter Obi will fight with Moghalu for dominance in the SE and SS and he will also get votes from the NE due to his affiliation with PDP

Tinubu will likely win in Lagos, Oyo and Kano but nowhere else

mightyhaze:
Nigerians know the truth. When we are tired of the merry go round,we know exactly what to do..

Exactly but this time i'm sure we will get change we just need to make sure to vote ADC from top to bottom because without a majority in NASS and senate no proper reforms can be made i'm talking restructuring, new constitution, referendum etc.