jln115:

So what you guys bought was a simple observation radar, with 0 war time capabilities!

36D3 radar was never meant to guide missies in NE, its meant to detect incoming aircraft and do airspace management in war zone, and Boko Haram has no air force. Does your Thutlwa fight war in Sudan? No, SANDF deployed your radar for basic air traffic control in Sudan.

patches689:


You clearly have no experience with maintenance:

Regrettably, in spite of these expenditures, the status of NAF fleet remained operationally appalling as only 3 Alpha-Jets, 2 C-130H and one each of Mi-24V and Mi-35P were serviceable as at 28 May 2015.

And from global security:

As of 2009, most of its fleets were grounded and its training institutions were constrained with shortages of technical skills such as instructors and institutional facilities. Lack of funding has been responsible for an inability to preserve aircraft regularly… Aircraft become due for Periodic Depot Maintenance (PDM) with time, and not by hours flown, because they are most of the time grounded for unserviceability.

The reasons for unserviceability are usually traceable to lack of spares occasioned by insufficient funding.

7 Aircraft out of over a hundred operational... only 7

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Unfortunately for you, your military tribunal report on NAF says clearly that the 7 aircraft fleet was as at May 28, 2015.....outdated !

NAF has released a new and more current report listing names of aircraft currently operational and fighting war, doing combat/recce missions as at October 28, 2015....most recent report from the new and current NAF chief of air staff, the final authority on Nigerian air force operations and capabilities.


October 28, 2015
WorldStage Newsonline
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" The Nigerian Air Force (NAF) said it had between July and October 2015 conducted a total of 1448 air sorties in support of the ongoing counterinsurgency operation in the northeast and also deployed over 300 ground troops from its special forces to fight along with the Army in the field. .


The Chief of Air Staff, Air Marshal Abubakar disclosed this on Wednesday.

The Air Force, he said, is doing everything possible to see how peace can be restored in the troubled areas as soon as possible.

According to him, the air component is fully integrated in the counterinsurgency operation plans and as such, NAF is using different aircrafts in its arsenal including F-7NI, Alpha Jet, C-130 AC, Agusta 109 LUH, Mi-35, Mi-24, Mi-17, Super Puma Helicopters, among others to carry out logistics support, reconnaissance and combat operations.


“Where ever the army is going in the battlefield, we give them the air support, provide intelligence and clear the ground for them to operate optimally he stated. "

http://newsdiaryonline.com/boko-haram-naf-conducts-1448-air-sorties-in-4-months/

Patches wrëcked at bedtime...Thanks NAF chief of staff Air Marshal Abubakar, you made our week!
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patches689:


Repeating yourslef over and over wont change the findings of your Top Military Men

- only 7 assets operational
- DICON sells second hand 40 year old ammo
- PROFORCE could only build 4 boats instead of 7

Post your weblink and lets see the old date....today is January 2016 !!!!

patches689:


The Committee established that the radars were excessively priced as a complete set of such radars (comprising 6 radars including the Control Centre) goes for Six Million US Dollars ($6m) averagely. The Committee observed that the radars were delivered without the vital component of Identification Friend or Foe (IFF) that distinguishes between own and adversary aircraft, which has significantly degraded the operational capabilities of the NAF in the North East.

No IFF means they are effectivly useless for anything other than controlling civilian air-traffic

IFF does NOT stop detection of aircraft. NAF knows when her jets are airborne. IFF is replacable by pilot to base radio comm codes and passwords. How do you think air spaces are managed by countries whose air forces have no long range radar?

patches689:

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You clearly have no experience with maintenance:

Regrettably, in spite of these expenditures, the status of NAF fleet remained operationally appalling as only 3 Alpha-Jets, 2 C-130H and one each of Mi-24V and Mi-35P were serviceable as at 28 May 15.

And from global security:

As of 2009, most of its fleets were grounded and its training institutions were constrained with shortages of technical skills such as instructors and institutional facilities. Lack of funding has been responsible for an inability to preserve aircraft regularly… Aircraft become due for Periodic Depot Maintenance (PDM) with time, and not by hours flown, because they are most of the time grounded for unserviceability.

The reasons for unserviceability are usually traceable to lack of spares occasioned by insufficient funding.

7 Aircraft out of over a hundred operational... only 7

patches689:


Its the Official word of a Nigerian Army Committee investigating your fraudulent military

Fact is that those platforms have been so poorly managed that they are no longer operational!!

Dont fight with me, fight with them! [/s]

Is the army controlling NAF operations? No. Court cases are full of allegations and counter allegations that no one has proved until judge passes judgement.

Xinhuanet, China.


Nigeria builds regional helicopter maintenance hanger

English.news.cn 2016-01-12 02:34:08



LAGOS, Jan. 11 (Xinhua) -- The Nigerian government on Monday said it has completed a massive maintenance hanger for the country's military helicopters and others within the West African countries.

Chief of Air Staff, Air Marshall Abubakar Sadique, disclosed this in Abuja, the nation's capital, during a meeting with governor of central north state of Niger, Abubakar Sani Bello.

Sadique said the hanger, which is located in Minna, the capital of Niger State, is aimed to become a regional hub for helicopter maintenance in partnership with the state government and other critical stakeholders.

He said the Nigerian Air Force (NAF) is doing its possible best to ensure that security is maintained and sustained in the state through the presence of personnel, facilities and formations.

"The NAF is looking at the possibility of enhancing our operations in Minna. We have a hanger that we have constructed already, which we hope that it will turn out to be a big maintenance center for helicopters not only for the NAF, but other air forces in West African that operate the same helicopters," he added.

"We have completed the hanger. The aim is to make that hanger a maintenance workshop for the helicopters. We are working toward actualizing that not only with other partners but also with the Niger state government as well the Americans," said the NAF chief.

On his part, Bello said his administration is looking to partner with the air force in the area of capacity building and security particularly around the Minna Air Port.

He also expressed hope that the establishment of the helicopter hanger maintenance center will not only strengthen the security of the state, but will as well boost its economy.

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2016-01/12/c_134999210.htm

NAF is to maintain helicopters for the whole West African sub-region, and they have 30 years experience in Alpha Jet, L-39 Albateoss maintenance, F-7 jets are still almost brand new and cheap to maintain .

Your claims = Garbage.

patches689:
augustine... you wanna talk about mobile radars??

NAF 36D6 radar beats SAAF Thutlwa radar
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patches689:


Its the Official word of a Nigerian Army Committee investigating your fraudulent military

Fact is that those platforms have been so poorly managed that they are no longer operational!!

Dont fight with me, fight with them!

Is the army controlling NAF operations? No. Court cases are full of allegations and counter allegations that no one has proved until judge passes judgement.

Xinhuanet, China.


Nigeria builds regional helicopter maintenance hanger

English.news.cn 2016-01-12 02:34:08



LAGOS, Jan. 11 (Xinhua) -- The Nigerian government on Monday said it has completed a massive maintenance hanger for the country's military helicopters and others within the West African countries.

Chief of Air Staff, Air Marshall Abubakar Sadique, disclosed this in Abuja, the nation's capital, during a meeting with governor of central north state of Niger, Abubakar Sani Bello.

Sadique said the hanger, which is located in Minna, the capital of Niger State, is aimed to become a regional hub for helicopter maintenance in partnership with the state government and other critical stakeholders.

He said the Nigerian Air Force (NAF) is doing its possible best to ensure that security is maintained and sustained in the state through the presence of personnel, facilities and formations.

"The NAF is looking at the possibility of enhancing our operations in Minna. We have a hanger that we have constructed already, which we hope that it will turn out to be a big maintenance center for helicopters not only for the NAF, but other air forces in West African that operate the same helicopters," he added.

"We have completed the hanger. The aim is to make that hanger a maintenance workshop for the helicopters. We are working toward actualizing that not only with other partners but also with the Niger state government as well the Americans," said the NAF chief.

On his part, Bello said his administration is looking to partner with the air force in the area of capacity building and security particularly around the Minna Air Port.

He also expressed hope that the establishment of the helicopter hanger maintenance center will not only strengthen the security of the state, but will as well boost its economy.

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2016-01/12/c_134999210.htm

NAF is to maintain helicopters for the whole West African sub-region, and they have 30 years experience in Alpha Jet, L-39 Albateoss maintenance, F-7 jets are still almost brand new and cheap to maintain .

Your claims = Garbage

patches689:


- Angola
- Lesotho
- CAR
- DRC Congo

4000 troops destroyed MPLA/Cubans in 36 battles

As usual, another empty meaningless post

Angola bush war, 60,000 UNITA troops combined with 4,000 SADF to fight Cuban army and MPLA troops, yet SADF got beaten blue black.

Lesotho? Zimbabwean police can stop the coup that you call a war. Any tanks, artillery, or jet used in Lesotho civil unrest? No, thats No war.

C.A.R Bangui where Seleka used SANDF for shooting practice till you ran away year 2013 never to return.

DR Congo, United Nations missions involving many countries' military forces from all over the world, is that an SANDF war? Tanzanian army was commanding South African army in Congo.

I see how you guys struggle to find any credible modern day war history or records for your photomaniac SANDF Hollywood army
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kizfaz:
that's what i have been telling him..... all these are waek soldiers posing in front of the equipment....

All we see is photos of SANDF and their weapons....ZERO enemy to fight them...Hollywood movie !

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Nice photos THIZA....except that they are all PEACE-TIME hollywood demo pictures of SANDF...

So South African military only fights war inside photographs not it real life? Your military is NOT battle tested, the whole of your country has NOT deployed more than one brigade of 4,000 soldiers in battle at a time, and that was 25 years ago in Angola when the Cuban teeenage army of boys and girls beat up the older SADF.

Thanks to the 60,000 UNITA troops of Savimbi that was doing 90% of the fighting for you in Angola bush war, the 4,000 SADF brigade would have been surrounded and wiped out in one hour by the inexperienced and young Cuban army of mere conscripts.

Can you show us a war, a big war were SANDF fights alone and deploys all those shiny weapons with at least 5,000 man brigade ?

I mean modern war, I mean SANDF in charge not UN peace mission, I mean show us a war SANDF has fought with those weapons

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The 36D6 with 175 km range.....beats the SANDF Thutlwa radar range 120 km

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NAF 36D6 + NA Eagle C2 + NN Falcon Eye + ATR-42 ISTAR/MPA/Mini AWACS + Beechcraft ISTAR + Diamond ISR + CH-3 Drones + JF-17 Thunder = African power to be feared !
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patches689:


You have not provided technical specs.

And it says:

gives the Theatre Commander the opportunity to have first hand information of the battle space.

It does not say:

gives the Theatre Commander the opportunity to have first hand control of the battle space.

Now, you have said: It can command 30 000 men and 100 aircraft.

Provide evidence of:

- Ability to command

Eagle is a COMMAND post you fool ! You are asking for proof that it has Ability to command, so what is a command post if it cannot command? Reason why I say almost every South African is born a fool !

Rainbow nation of adult fools living on ANC government free food like brain dead-stomach alive parasites !!!
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patches689:


If you make claims, provide proof

This is a photo thread not a place to be demanding for random weblinks that a kid can google search without adult help. Learn to know which thread you are on and use brain discretion. I am not interested in your argument go find another person to argue with.

patches689:


My Sister-in-Laws father works for Carl Ziess

Even the Russians have bought our technology and they are moving 30 South African Engineers to Germany (him included) so that they can develop the next gen of Periscopes for the Type 212 which will incorporate liquid nano-crystal displays and HMD-styled projection onto the scopes view.

LOL...

Russia built your Satellite.

Russia is building your nuclear reactors

Russia is training your dullard air force pilots and warning them of beign kicked out of Russia if their Southie dull brains do not respond to Russian training.

Dummies of SADC

patches689:


Prove your claims with technical specs.

like you said on the other thread: stop commenting on things you know nothing about

Eagle technical specs are classified, you too show us the technical specs of Chaka C2 Equipment as per its communication range, wavelengths, frequencies, interference configurations, satellite band, electromagnetic bandwith, etc

The overall performance of the Eagle is KNOWN and PUBLUSHED on Nigerian defence HQ official website and that is all a wise military will disclose about such sensitive high level command equipment.

"The Eagle Mobile Central Command Post is a vehicle mounted with various Information Communication and Technology equipment. This on board equipment gives the Theatre Commander the opportunity to have first hand information of the battle space. From the vehicle the commander has access to both ground troops and air assets within the battle space.

http://defenceinfo.mil.ng/the-eagle-mobile-central-command-post/

Yes, I can talk about Eagle C2 because its battle field operational performance and the job it can do is disclosed.

Go dïe of burning envy !!!!!

Finito .

patches689:


Citations please.

Until then... RD-33 for you

This thread will be better when you are mature enough to leave other peoples comments alone and just post yours. You seem to lack the adult reasoning faculty that will make you understand that this thread is not same as the other one where you just scream all the time....citations please, even when the answer is evident on simple google search a 12 year old boy can do. Seems you have no shame as an adult.

mzilakazi:


But the Junk Fighter remains the weakest fighter of all time with many limitations.

You have started again to destroy this thread, typical South African.

Chinese new WS-13 engine for JF-17 is almost ready. NAF has two choices of engines. JF-17 offers Nigeria technology transfer on how to build a 4th generation jet fighter, J-10 does not offer that. Tech transfer is priceless and a great reward.

Henry240:
Special forces vehicles


I've always wondered with these vehicles, what happens when it starts to rain/snow?

Reason why I hate those open body SF vehicles, if terrorist AK-47 dont kill the SF, heavy rain, sand storm, whirlwind, super hot sunshine will bastardize the men, degrade their equipment, and weaken their bodily stamina. I have those type of uncovered open body special forces vehicles.

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patches689:


Sources for its use as well as the use of Chaka at Soccer World cup have been provided.

Bwahahaha

SANDF C2 Chaka and data link are ONLY tested in a civilian football stadium....watching soccer games only !


Nigerian Eagle C2 is tested in a real war zone, battle space the size of Scotland, real combat proven system.

SANDF weak data link and Chaka C2 are NOT combat proven systems !

Thank you for admitting this, love you Patches !
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patches689:



So one Nigerian Army General is better than all the engineers at SAAB-Grintek?

Why not? Is his brain limited by SAAB engineers?

One single Nigerian computer scientist proved better than all the American scientists in his field of speciallization, our Dr. Emeagwali invented the worlds fastest computer, NO SOUTH AFRICAN brain can ever match that in 1,000 years.

http://www.black-inventor.com/Dr-Philip-Emeagwali.asp

Do you know Maj.General Olukoju's brain power? He has won international wards on space science and technology as well as information technology in Brazil, he attended 5 different universities arround the world.

Which one of your South African SAAB Engineers has that type of high class CV ? None.

Plus the fact that Chaka C2 is getting old in technology, dated almost 10 years ago, its capacity is older technology of many years ago, the world has advanced beyond that level.

Eagle C2 is latest 2015/2016 modern technology.

Go dïe of envy
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patches689:


4 Chaka systems orderd.

Sources provided.

I am not going to engage in pointless arguments

238 Badger IFV ordered, only 5 delivered.

4 Chaka C2 systems ordered, only 1 delivered.


Order is NOT = Delivery in universal law of purchasing and supply.

SANDF has ONLY ONE Chaka C2 in service today !

Finished !!!!

jln115:


Nope YOUR own source states it fully operable and all the initial glitches have been rectified.

I don't have to know him, the fact that his an Army General proves his incapable of designing a world class C2 system

Actually people do care who designed what, hence the fact that systems that are designed for example by Thales or SAAB are better than others.

Liar from the womb ! Quote where the source says your DISAPPOINTING LinkZa failures have been fully rectified. Liar, that is how you all go to the other photo thread and mess up the place with lies, making Africans look like chronic liars to the rest of the world. You South Africans are a disgrace to this continent.

jln115:

4X 5000= 20000 = a Division

Remember all systems can be Linked through LinkZA.

Also the fact that it is Brigade and below, means that it is much easier to manage for Brigadier Generals, colonels, Captains ect....Commanding a Brigade,Battalion,Company ect ect.

SANDF has ONLY ONE Chaka C2 until proved otherwise. Your max capacity remains 5,000 troops....Brigade level.

Finito !!!

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Major General C.T Olukoju of Nigerian army as a Colonel 5 years ago.

He is the brain behind the Nigerian army Eagle battle space command post.

Maj.Gen Olukoju had to attend five different universities around the world to study before getting to his technical level as at 2011.

African militaries have men like this, he has won science and technology many awards from the government of Brazil.

THE SUN NEWSPAPERS
Abuja
Monday, Sept. 05, 2011.

"His commitment to study earned him the second in the order of merit. He won the Minister of Defence’s award.

Apart from this award, Olukoju was given awards by the Brazilian Government and the college for presenting the best paper in Science and Technology: “Nigerian Space Programme: Challenges and Prospects,” and would give a copy to the National Agency in charge of Space Development to study the recommendations to see how to enrich the nation’s space programmes."

Let African military officers continue to move Africa forward. Slow but steady.

https://beegeagle./2011/09/05/nigeria-colonel-olukoju-wins-defence-ministers-award-at-national-defence-college/

http://www.frontiersnews.com/buhari-presides-over-the-nric-during-the-maiden-meeting-at-the-state-house-in-abuja/

Pic 1. Major General Olukoju receiving award of the Minister for defence
Pic 2. Maj.Gen Olukoju distributing what maybe his research works at the National Research & Innovation Council Meeting with Buhari
Pic 3. Top military chiefs and civil technocrats, government officials, meet Buhari at the NRIC programme, Abuja
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jln115:


"designed as constructed by Major General C T Olukoju of the Nigerian Army."

Black genius, NO black or colored military officer in the whole of South Africa can match him ! Not even your SANDF,SAN,SAAF chiefs of staff

#BUTT HURT

jln115:

So many words, yet so little substance.

The project is designed as constructed by Major General C T Olukoju of the Nigerian Army.

http://www.nationalhelm.com/2016/01/photos-checkout-treasured-mobile.html?m=1

If he is able to single-handedly develop a C2 system thats better than Chaka C2, THEN he wouldn't be working for your low paying Army.

Lastly LinkZA is fully operable, as proved by your own source.

#novalidargument #ResorttoRacism

LinkZA is operable as an INTERCOM according to South African reliable sources.

You know NOTHING about him and his work/career/training/contract as an army general.

Nobody cares who designed whatever. Nigeria has Eagle C2 and it's choking y.ou with ENVY
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jln115:

Prove that the other 3 were not delivered.

In purchasing and supply, there is nothing called proof of non-delivery, what exists worldwide is proof of delivery.

You made the first claim of having 4 Chakas without posting any source of delivery, so show us PROOF that more was delivered.

SANDF ordered 238 Badgers IFVs, but only 5 Badgers delivered, so we DO NOT believe you until you give proof of the claim you made.

First to make claim,first to provide source to prove claim,burden of proof is on YOU, until then, SANDF has ONLY ONE CHAKA C2
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jln115:



The project is designed as constructed by Major General C T Olukoju of the Nigerian Army.

http://www.nationalhelm.com/2016/01/photos-checkout-treasured-mobile.html?m=1

FYI i said developed NOT manufactured.

Liar, your source says designed NOT developed, you fvcing envious liar!

Useless argument about the use of English language. Face military facts, we have Eagle C2 and is 100 times more powerful than your Chaka C2
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mzilakazi:


Liar we procured 40 units.

Show us proof of delivery
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mzilakazi:


Sorry the vehicle is not armoured. However, I believe that the army could have done better by contracting a company that is qualified to do the job.

You cannot know an armoured Toyota Landcruiser by looking at its photo. Many armoured cars owned by civilians drive around the streets of this world and look ordinary, until the owner tells you he bought it factory armoured on special order. Not all armoured cars and SUV look like an MRAP or APC.

This is how you South Africans start issues by posting your personal imaginary information about other African countries equipment to rubbish it directly or stylishly.

Now stop it dude. Stop posting what you have no iota of proof about.....and who told you no company was involved in the Eagle project, are you the Nigerian army chief of staff who knows what happens behind closed doors of Nigerian army?

jln115:

Actually it other way around , the Chaka C2 system is a brigade and below C2 system, with the mobile Chaka's used for Battalion and below.

A brigade consists out of 5000 troop, thus 4 Chaka systems = 20 000 troops all interlinked/Inter operable thanks to Link ZA.....Overkill considering we will not even deploy more than 5000 soldier even in a full blown war!!

mzilakazi:
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This man thinks we have only one single Chaka for a brigade and below. We have procured Chaka for many Brigades and below.


Do you mean this is what commands the whole army?

Only ONE SINGLE Chaka C2 has been delivered to SANDF, show us proof that 4 was delivered as you claim, prove it !
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