@Noetic2

The bible NEVER mentioned a jinn. a jinn is a figment of allah's imagination.

On a lighter note, this is the most ridiculous thread in the islamic section. You have FAILED to establish how the appearance of Jesus is jinn-like.

Your book didnt mention that and even silent on that because thats not the revelation given to Jesus and Jesus said he would not be able to teach you all things but the comforter would come to do all these and the comforter is Muhammed (saw) which you are denying blindly and that is the more reason Allah explains some things in the Quran which are not in the bible just like the case of the Jinn.

@Dankol

Let me ask you a question babs, where all that lies? because i find it difficult to get your point. ok

Okay, please serve me one by one and we address.

Islam and extorciam are two phrase islam is relagion and the extorciam are the basics ways of life os people


ok what so difficult for you to understand, are contributing to this discussion or are finding it difficult to read and understand

Me sef no grab o.

Another unnecessary war among idle and religious eager- to- fight adults. Una no dey tire!! Una no get work??

You sure say you get work too because person wey get work no dey get time read like you are doing.

Between Belief and Worship

One of the most common misconceptions of our times is the assumption that one's affirmation of certain beliefs suffices for deliverance. It is done at the expense of neglecting and disregarding good deeds and morals. This misconception was initially restricted to certain sects. However, it has now crept into the whole body of believers so that it is hard to condemn it.

Notwithstanding its popularity, we must affirm that this misconception runs counter to the teachings of the Qur'an and the Prophet's Sunnah. In almost every instance of exhorting man to believe, the Qur'an asks at the same time that he should do good deeds. It is therefore evident that both are intertwined. It is expected of every believer to do good deeds. For example,

(The believers are only those whose hearts quake with awe when Allah is mentioned, and when His revelations are rehearsed to them, it increases their faith and they put their trust in their Lord, who establish prayer and who spend of what We have provided them. These are they who are the true believers.) (Al-Anfal 8:2-4)

The Qur'an likens iman to a fruit-bearing tree with its roots deeply embedded and branches spreading out, and bearing fruit in all seasons:

(Do you not see how Allah sets forth a parable? – a good word like a good tree, its roots firmly fixed, and its branches reaching the heavens: giving its fruit at all times by the command of its Lord.) (Ibrahim: 14:24-25)

The "good tree" in the above passage obviously stands for iman. Its roots being deeply embedded signifies the faith penetrating deeply in the human nature. In other words, it is not something superficial without roots, or something that may be uprooted easily. In sharp contrast to it is unbelief that does not have any firm basis (Ibrahim 14:26). Faith is like a strong tree that is not brought down by storms. Moreover, it yields fruit in all seasons. Its outspread branches provide shade and refuge to everyone. The allusion here is to the blessings accruing from the pious life of a believer. Those in contact with him also derive many benefits from him. These benefits are manifest in practical life and bear out his faith. It helps the believer to attain exaltation and elevation, as is declared by Allah: (To Him mount up goodly words and the righteous work exalts them) (Fatir 35:10). We learn from this verse that goodly words ascend—it is their nature—but they need support, which is provided by good deeds. Taken in this sense, faith may be compared to a vine that blooms as it gains some support—without support it cannot grow well, if at all.

Going by the above analogy, it may be held that true faith is contingent upon total obedience to the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him). One's conduct should provide abundant evidence for one's faith. If one's claim to faith is not substantiated by one's emulation of the Prophet's model, one does not possess faith. It goes without saying that one who cannot prove one's faith by this evidence cannot be taken as a believer.

The Qur'an points out

(But no, by your Lord, they shall not really believe until they have made you (the Prophet) the judge of what is disputed among them and then find no demur in their hearts against what you have decreed and they submit with full submission.) (An-Nisaa' 4:65)

The verse just quoted is addressed to the hypocrites who made a show of embracing Islam, as they were overawed by its fast-growing strength. However, they maintained close ties with the Jews in and around Madinah and still enjoyed some limited political power, as the Islamic state had not yet been fully established. These hypocrites, therefore, moved their cases to Jewish courts rather than to the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him), in the hope that by resorting to bribery and other unfair means they would be able to influence the court and secure judgment in their favor. The Qur'an declares that this practice of theirs is contrary to their claim to faith. For faith demands that they take the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) as the supreme ruler and abide by his decision. If they fail to do so, their claim to faith cannot be accepted. The Qur'an brings home this point elsewhere thus:

(The faithful are those only who believe in Allah and His Messenger and have not doubted thereafter, and have striven hard with their riches and their lives in the cause of Allah. Such are the sincere ones.) (Al- Hujurat 49:15)

You may read about Jinn in some threads and if not satisfied,you may create for you and I because your bible did not educate you on that

Nne,you already know my stand on Osisi.Lol. Nna should buckle up or else,

@Osisi,the above are just part of the reasons and you may assist your brethren. I would later come with biblical verses to expose 2nd Tim 3v16 and you would see that they were not under any inspiration.

@0sisi,for the fact that they are not there made me move from christianity. I read and am still reading the bible but they are not there and that is the reason I asked your brother to tell where he said so. Besides,when did you turn to Noetic? The questions were directed to him and not you and since you have decided to speak on his behalf,you have no right to question my responding on behalf of my brother as well. Nne, you may serve the verses since you have been littering threads with biblical verses.

@chuxy12

The only and time tested way to drive jinns (demons) away is to call and shout the name of Jesus in your heart with the belief that he will hear you. i rest my case.

Can a demon cast out demon?

Are you awared that christianity is another plot devised by Jinn to mislead people?
Are you aware that the so called pictures of Jesus portray here and there were brought up by Jinn?
Are you aware that Mary, Jesus mother was alive and rejected the so called picture of Jesus being portrayed as Jesus?
Are you aware that most of the speaking in tongues are false and happened to be language of the Jinn? e.g calling Jinn for assistance?

@Lagosboy

funmi where have u been?

For where


@Mukina

shine your eyes

Yes he needs to give am real shinning

babs, Jarus, Lagosboy, oya submit picture and er statement of account for inspection

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@Noetic2

are u now ready to accept Jesus as ur Lord, GOD and Saviour?

I just siddon jejely dey read contributions but your post made me run come post here.

Maybe you and I should start from your post up with these:

Do you care to tell where Jesus said so?
Do you care to tell me the criteria to entering heaven as said by Jesus?
How did you arrive at accepting his dying and crucifixion as the only remedy to getting salvation?

@Davidylan

and compiled by uthman 300 yrs AFTER mohammad died no?

RFLMAO.

Where are you to refute Abuzola's statement:

Are you sick or crazy, Uthman was a friend and companion of the Prophet, please tell me how come he lived up to 300 years ?

Where art thou Pastor Dawoda? I cant help laughing

Amen. Tudor is my very good business

Babygirl,make judicious use of them and start spreading Islam among your people like I did and you are now my teacher

@Dankol

Same silly mistakes of fallacy, only the Almighty God not allah will deliever you. i have no more to say cos all said have been confirmed. Islam is a mistake to the world Sad Sad Sad Sad Sad Cry Cry Cry Cry Cry Cry

Dont give yourself HBP, all I said about your religion happened to be true as you confirmed same yourself with your stupid mistakes of fallacy

@Dankol

You no dey tire spewing unverified lies from internet and when would you sit and think for yourself rather than ferreting 'stories'? You may read your dressed 'write up' here:


http://debate.org.uk/topics/history/quran.htm

You should call on me when you are ready to think straight.

I did not see your rebuttal to my posts in another thread you culled your 'story' from

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-281712.0.html

@Abuzola

@babs,note a Qareen and a possessed jinn differ, a jinn inflict harm while Qareen whisper evil & meant to be with human

Salam brother. I know that there is a difference between the two but used that for them generally as Qareen happened to be a companion/friend permanently assigned to every individual during his/her life to seduce him/her and Qareen happened to be from among the Jinn.

Olabowale, olabowale whether you like it or not i'm yoruba from the great state of LAGOS and[b] we're BROTHERS from the same ape[/b]. . .

Brothers from the same ape

@Noetic2

please read ur post again. can a non religious person, make any meaning out of it?

Too bad if you STILL would not comprehend the reason stated herein.

This is how we started when you first asked and I responded thus:

I have tasted christianity (once a christian) and others but found no salvation, joy, happiness, peace of mind as I have in Islam.

You further asked:

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Start by telling me why EXACTLY you are a muslim?

I responded:

Did you read my post at all? I was like you before accepting Islam, my siblings follow suit, my father did as well but still praying for my mother.

I was born a christian but learnt that it cannot offer salvation and most of Jesus' words have been twisted. Christianity no longer follow Jesus' teachings but that of Paul.

I have tasted christianity (once a christian) and others but found no salvation, joy, happiness, peace of mind as I have in Islam.

You drew me here with this:

When u left christianity . . . . why did u not worship oya, obatala, sango?
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Why did u not become an atheist? why did u not become a Buddhist?

I responded to that of not worshipping Sango etc:

I did not because to be factual, they are not different from christianity in so many ways in which two examples are: they named the religion after their founder (man made religion). Also they believe that their prayer would not be answered without having intermediary. Are you satisfied or need more?

On why not an atheist:

I would not become an atheist because I believe in creation. Their arguments have been flawed and even they couldnt boast of one specific atheism.I believe that someone is responsible for my being here and I have a purpose for being here.

On why not a buddhist:

With regards to Buddhist, It is same with christianity, oya, Sango, Obatala because the name is being given after their founders:

Edited: Jesus--- Christ --- christianity
Budha-=== Buddhist
Oya----Oloya
Sango---Onisango
Obatala--- Olobatala

Couple with the above, if you still feel that I have not answered you, then I can not help you further.

@Uplawal

Babygirl, did you see my mail this time?

Salam


With regards to the symptoms of a jinn-possessed individual, there are no specific symptoms but some symptoms have been detected by exorcist could be:

1. Having disturbance in dreams or having sexual intercourse in dreams which could at times be repeatedly.

2. Turning away from Quranic recitation and going against it when its being played or recited. It could be while hearing the call to prayer or when the Quran itself is being recited. I knew then of a lady who was possessed with it. The man happened to be a muslim but then had no knowledge of jinn possession but noticed that the lady is always disturbed whenever Quran is being played or recited and at times would turn off the set or move out from where it is being played. This same man also complained that the lady do faint at times if she could not turn off the set or move away from where it being played or recited.

3. At times, the Jinn may speak when verses is being played or recited showing that the jinn is being inconvenienced.

4. Health problems with no known cure could also be sign of possession

5. The individual would always keep to himself or herself and would not want to associate with anybody

Apart from having different types of Jinn who could take the form of snakes, dogs, etc, the Holy Prophet (saw) told us that there are three types of Jinn namely:

1.Those that have wings and fly through the air
2. Those that looks like snakes, dogs
3. The last type are those that stop for a rest then resume their journey

We should be wary of where we defecate and take precaution anytime we visit unclean places, bathroom, garbage dumps, graveyards etc  as they happened to be breeding places for Jinn as the Jinn could be found mostly in

One of these are reported by Anas ibn Malik (may Allah be pleased with him) who says: “When the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings be upon him) entered the toilet, he would say, 'Allahumma inni a`udhu bika min al-khubuthi wal-khaba’ith (O Allah, I seek Refuge with You from all offensive and wicked things [evil deeds and evil spirits]).'”
Everybody has Jinn appointed to him/her as said by the Holy Prophet (saw): ‘There is not one of you who does not have a jinn appointed to be his constant companion.’ They said, ‘And you too, O Messenger of Allah?’ He said, ‘Me too, but Allah has helped me and he has submitted, so that he only helps me to do good.’” (Reported by Muslim)

Jinn could be Muslims or non Muslims as said by Allah that:
And there are among us some who have surrendered (to Allah) and there are among us some who are unjust. And whoso hath surrendered to Allah, such have taken the right path purposefully.

The Jinn feed on any food in which the name of Allah is not being recited and it always good to recite His name on food we are eating.

One Jinn went visiting his friend. One happened to be following a Muslim while the other follows non muslim. The one that follows muslims looked pale, lean while that of non muslim looked very healthy. The one following non muslim asked the other one why he was so pale and his response was, 'I followed a Muslim that calls the name of Allah on the food he eats and he drinks'. However a believing Jinn may eat food and drink anything that the name of Allah has been called.

Also Ibn Mas`ud reports that the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) says: “There came to me an inviter on behalf of the Jinn and I went along with him and recited to them the Qur’an.” He (the narrator) said: The Prophet then went along with us and showed us their traces and traces of their embers. The Jinn asked the Prophet about their provision and he said: “Every bone on which the name of Allah is recited is your provision. The time it will fall in your hand it would be covered with flesh, and (you can have) all the droppings as food for your animals.” The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said, “So do not use (these things) for cleaning yourselves (after relieving oneself), for they are the food and provision of your brothers (Jinn).” (Reported by Muslim)

@Noetic2

you have not said anything intelligent enough to warrant a definite response.

It is because you are not intelligent enough to read the truth

cant u see the way i stated my case on the opening post. I am disappointed.

Yes very disappointed at your not comprehending my post. You asked for the reason, I gave you in which you asked another question and I provided response but you seemed not satisfied. Na wa for you, how you manage pass for your school sef?

@Dankol

Babs is confirming the post common fallacies made by muslims like him, thats it, talk of the quran attack the bible, they can't stand to up to proper argument.

It seems you are a new breed here. Go read my posts particularly on the one between christians and myself and read the biblical verses supplied. I have debated on Jesus dying for your sins, Your saviour, being God, being crucified and read how I supported same with biblical verses while you peeps confirmed fallacies you have been drumming here.

talk of of muslims, they attack christians just like some answers he gave by pointing to the likes of noetic, davidlan, and todak.

You are not being sincere to yourself. You claimed that they attack christians but go your section and read number of muslims posting there compared to your folks here and tell me if you are honest to yourself.

Also, you claimed that I pointed to my friends but your quote caused that by saying:

Note: The average Muslim does not know that his arguments are logically erroneous. He is sincere in his beliefs. Thus you must be patient and kind in sharing with him why his arguments are invalid.

I replied you mentioning David and Noetic. The reason for mentioning their names is that they have been following your quote up with regards to patience and kind and you should read their posts for verification.

it is such a shame on their part, and yet they could not provide us with the original bible.

You are still here looking for original bible when the one you have does not agree. Go check for missing verses, contradictions, incomplete books (66) as against 73 and when you are done, let me know and I would further show you bible from the same publisher, having missing verses. The verses were missing in earlier publication but inserted into the current, so tell me, do the above listed justifies the incompleteness of your book?

Go read your bible, NT  precisely and tell which message was Jesus, was he given gospel or gospels and when done, read the intonation of the bible and tell me if it could be the same gospel given to him during his time.

They believe allah is god and yet they still pray for direction. it is a sorry case.

Point of correction, we believe that Allah is God.


I thought you would provide rebuttal to the rejoinders to your post from the sites

@Noetic2

and what EXACTLY did u state there? you are so pathetic!

Pele . You should ask yourself if you are okay or seeking the truth really. Everybody gave you the reason but you still claimed that they havent answered you.

You asked why I did not take another man made religion like yours and I explained to you but you still pretended as if you have not read answers. I also told you why I am no more a christian and why I embraced Islam but e no do you, go nack your head for wall and if are ready for mature discussion, call me on bros

Salam

Received this from a brother. Allah be pleased with him

Something to Remember,



He remembered his grandmother's warning about praying on time:

'My son, you shouldn't leave prayer to this late time'.

His grandmother's age was 70 but, whenever she heard the Adhan, she got up like an arrow and performed Salah.

He, however could never win over his ego to get up and pray.

Whatever he did, his Salah was always the last to be offered and he prayed it quickly to get it in on time.

Thinking of this, he got up and realized that there were only 15 minutes left before Salat-ul Isha.

He quickly made Wudhu and performed Salat-ul Maghrib.

While making Tasbih, he again remembered his grandmother and was embarrassed by how he had prayed.

His grandmother prayed with such tranquillity and peace.

He began making Dua and went down to make Sajdah and stayed like that for a while.

He had been at work all day and was tired, so tired.

He awoke abruptly to the sound of noise and shouting.

He was sweating profusely.

He looked around.

It was very crowded.

Every direction he looked in was filled with people.

Some stood frozen looking around, some were running left and right and some were on their knees with their heads in their hands just waiting.

Pure fear and apprehension filled him as he realized where he was.

His heart was about to burst.

It was the Day of Judgment,

When he was alive, he had heard many things about the questioning on the Day of Judgment, but that seemed so long ago.

Could this be something his mind made up?

No, the wait and the fear were so great that he could not have imagined this.

The interrogation was still going on.

He began moving frantically from people to people to ask if his name had been called.

No one could answer him.

All of a sudden his name was called and the crowd split into two and made a passageway for him.

Two angels grabbed his arms and led him forward.

He walked with unknowing eyes through the crowd.

The angels brought him to the center and left him there.

His head was bent down and his whole life was passing in front of his eyes like a movie.

He opened his eyes but saw only another world.

The people were all helping others.

He saw his father running from one lecture to the other, spending his wealth in the way of Islam.

His mother invited guests to their house and one table was being set while the other was being cleared.

He pleaded his case,

I too was always on this path.

I helped others.

I spread the word of Allah.

I performed my Salah.

I fasted in the month of Ramadhan.

Whatever Allah ordered us to do, I did,

Whatever he ordered us not to do, I did not.'

He began to cry and think about how much he loved Allah.

He knew that whatever he had done in life would be less than what Allah
deserved and his only protector was Allah He was sweating like never before and was shaking all over.

His eyes were fixed on the scale, waiting for the final decision.

At last, the decision was made.

The two angels with sheets of paper in their hands, turned to the crowd.

His legs felt like they were going to collapse.

He closed his eyes as they began

To read the names of those people who were to enter Jahannam.

His name was read first.

He fell on his knees and yelled that this couldn't be,

How could I go to Jahannam?

I served others all my life,

I spread the word of Allah to others'.

His eyes had become blurry and he was shaking with sweat.

The two angels took him by the arms.

As his feet dragged, they went through the crowd and advanced toward the blazing flames of Jahannam.

He was yelling and wondered if there was any person who was going to help him.

He was yelling of all the good deeds he had done, how he had helped his father, his fasts, prayers, the Noble Qur'an that he read, he was asking if none of them would help him.

The Jahannam angels continued to drag him.

They had gotten closer to the Hellfire.

He looked back and these were his last pleas.

Had not Rasulullah [SAW] said,

'How clean would a person be who bathes in a river five times a day, so too does the Salah performed five times cleanse someone of their sins'?

He began yelling,

'My prayers? My prayers? My prayers.?'

The two angels did not stop, and they came to the edge of the abyss of Jahannam.

The flames of the fire were burning his face.

He looked back one last time, but his eyes were dry of hope and he had nothing left in him.

One of the angels pushed him in.

He found himself in the air and falling towards the flames.

He had just fallen five or six feet when a hand grabbed him by the arm and pulled him back.

He lifted his head and saw an old man with a long white beard.

He wiped some dust off himself and asked him,

'Who are you?'

The old man replied,

'I am your prayers'.

Why are you so late! I was almost in the Fire!

You rescued me at the last minute before I fell in'.

The old man smiled and shook his head,

'You always performed me at the last minute, did you forget?'

At that instant, he blinked and lifted his head from Sajdah.

He was in a sweat.

He listened to the voices coming from outside.

He heard the Adhan for Salat-ul Isha.

He got up quickly and went to perform Wudhu.

@ThiefOfHearts

The difference is this act is actually MENTIONED in the Quran.

Where is it Maam in the Quran?

@Subzeero

Aslm alkm,
There is a very good book that gives an explanation of all the major sins.
Its a must read. You can find it here:
http://www.7cgen.com/index.php?showtopic=24597

Salam brother. Very educative and where have u been all these while? Please always come online. I love reading from you.

@Noetic2

Here I am

When u left christianity . . . . why did u not worship oya, obatala, sango?

I did not because to be factual, they are not different from christianity in so many ways in which two examples are: they named the religion after their founder (man made religion). Also they believe that their prayer would not be answered without having intermediary. Are you satisfied or need more?

Why did u not become an atheist? why did u not become a Buddhist?

I would not become an atheist because I believe in creation. Their arguments have been flawed and even they couldnt boast of one specific atheism.I believe that someone is responsible for my being here and I have a purpose for being here.

With regards to Buddhist, It is same with christianity, oya, Sango, Obatala because the name is being given after their founders:

Jesus a christian and religion --- christianity
Budha-=== Buddhist
Oya----Oloya
Sango---Onisango
Obatala--- Olobatala

why are u a muslim?

My post answer it all.

PS. I am not interested in any frivolity . . . . .simply answer the relevant questions.

Hope you are ok with that?

@Noetic2

So why didnt u answer my questions on the [b]"why i am not a muslim" thread?[/[/b]quote]

You would notice that I did not post there after my response then because lots of posts were supplied and didnt want to bring you back but since you pointed it out here, I would meet you there right away.

Barka Jumuah. Please dont forget the Jannabah ,cutting of nails,trimming of beards and the use of perfume for men. Get there on time and try to sit in the front. May Allah make it easier for us