@David,go sidon jare. The verse John 3v15-6 was not said by Jesus but JOHN. Majority of you use that to preach thinking it was said by Jesus. Go read again,come back and tell me that it was Jesus making that statement.

Osisi no go kill me with laughter with her post. Power dey shak Mukina for where?

@Uplawal

I sent again but came back. Kindly tell me your email addy or send mail to tundebabs787@yahoo.com

@Noetic2

1. This is what ur hadith says concerning women intelligence: (Sahih al-Bukhari)
"Allah's Apostle once said to a group of women : 'I have not seen any one more deficient in intelligence and religion than you. A cautious, sensible man could be led astray by some of you.' The women asked: 'O Allah's Apostle, what is deficient in our intelligence and religion?' He said: 'Is not the evidence of two women equal to the witness of one man?' They replied in the affirmative. He said: 'This is the deficiency of your intelligence'

,  'Isn't it true that a woman can neither pray nor fast during her menses?' The women replied in the affirmative. He said: 'This is the deficiency in your religion.'"[14]

2. Another point from ur "prophet", who claims that women dominate hell-fire.

Muhammad said, "I was shown the Hell-fire and that the majority of its dwellers are women. " Vol. 1:28, 301; Vol. 2:161; Vol. 7:124

Muhammad also once said; "If there is an evil omen in anything, it is in the house, the woman, and the horse. Reference: Sahih Al-Bukhari, vol. 7, book 62, no. 31.

Let us read the hadith you quoted using wrong numbers:

It was narrated from the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) that women will form the majority of the people of Hell. It was narrated from ‘Imraan ibn Husayn that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “I looked into Paradise and I saw that the majority of its people were the poor. And I looked into Hell and I saw that the majority of its people are women.”
(Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 3241; Muslim, 2737)

Reason:

It was narrated that ‘Abd-Allaah ibn ‘Abbaas said: The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “I was shown Hell and I have never seen anything more terrifying than it. And I saw that the majority of its people are women.” They said, “Why, O Messenger of Allaah?” He said, “Because of their ingratitude (kufr).” It was said, “Are they ungrateful to Allaah?” He said, “They are ungrateful to their companions (husbands) and ungrateful for good treatment. If you are kind to one of them for a lifetime then she sees one (undesirable) thing in you, she will say, ‘I have never had anything good from you.’” (Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 1052)

It was narrated that Abu Sa’eed al-Khudri said: 

“The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) went out to the Musalla on the day of Eid al-Adha or Eid al-Fitr. He passed by the women and said, ‘O women! Give charity, for I have seen that you form the majority of the people of Hell.’ They asked, ‘Why is that, O Messenger of Allaah?’  He replied, ‘You curse frequently and are ungrateful to your husbands. I have not seen anyone more deficient in intelligence and religious commitment than you. A cautious sensible man could be led astray by some of you.’ The women asked, ‘O Messenger of Allaah, what is deficient in our intelligence and religious commitment?’ He said, ‘Is not the testimony of two women equal to the testimony of one man?’ They said, ‘Yes.’ He said, ‘This is the deficiency in her intelligence. Is it not true that a woman can neither pray nor fast during her menses?’ The women said, ‘Yes.’ He said, ‘This is the deficiency in her religious commitment.’”
(Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 304)

It was narrated that Jaabir ibn ‘Abd-Allaah said: “I attended Eid prayers with the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him). He started with the prayer before the khutbah, with no adhaan or iqaamah. Then he stood up, leaning on Bilaal, speaking of fear of Allaah (taqwa) and urging us to obey Him. He preached to the people and reminded them. Then he went over to the women and preached to them and reminded them. Then he said, ‘Give in charity, for you are the majority of the fuel of Hell. A woman with dark cheeks stood up in the midst of the women and said, ‘Why is that, O Messenger of Allaah?’ He said, ‘Because you complain too much and are ungrateful to your husbands.’ Then they started to give their jewellery in charity, throwing their earrings and rings into Bilaal’s cloak.”
(Narrated by Muslim, 885)

There are verses which gives equality to both men and women:

Quran 9 v 71 – 72: And [as for] the believing men and the believing women, they are guardians of each other; they enjoin good and forbid evil and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, and obey Allah and His messenger; [as for] these, Allah will show mercy to them; surely Allah is Mighty, Wise.

[b]Allah has promised to the believing men and the believing women gardens, beneath which rivers flow, to abide in them, and goodly dwellings in gardens of perpetual abode; [/b]and best of all is Allah's goodly pleasure; that is the grand achievement.

Women, at times are exempted from performing religious duties like fasting and praying as a result of recurrent symptoms like menstrual bleeding. However, it doesnt meant that they are deficient as said above as we all know that women are fragile and not of all them have heart like men. At times, women lack ability to concentrate as a result of menstruation, post labour period , restlessness, ability to forget things easily during these period etc

It doesnt mean that all women would be doomed as Allah said that believing women would be inmates of paradise but the proud, arrogant, abusive ones etc would not.

Quran 49 v 13: "O mankind! We created you from a single (pair) of a male and a female, and made you into nations and tribes, that ye may know each other (not that ye may despise each other). Verily the most honoured of you in the sight of God is the most righteous of you [my note: could be a male or female]. And God has full knowledge and is well acquainted (with all things).

Allah made it clear that, masculity or feminity would not determine paradise but good work:

Quran 3 v 195: "And their Lord hath accepted of them, and answered them: "Never will I suffer to be lost the work of any of you, be he male or female: Ye are members, one of another: Those who have left their homes, or been driven out therefrom, or suffered harm in My Cause, or fought or been slain,- verily, I will blot out from them their iniquities, and admit them into Gardens with rivers flowing beneath;- A reward from the presence of God, and from His presence is the best of rewards." 

Quran 57 v 18: Surely the male donors and the female donors and [those] who lend to Allah a fair loan, it will be doubled for them, and they will have an honorable reward

Quran 33 v 35: Surely [for] male Muslims and female Muslims, and male believers and female believers, and devout males and devout females and sincere males and sincere females, and patient males and patient females, and submissive males and submissive females, and male donators and female donators, and fasting males and fasting females, and males who preserve their private parts and females who preserve their private parts, and males who are much mindful of Allah and females who are much mindful of Allah – for them Allah has prepared forgiveness and a magnificent reward.

3. Islam culturally allows its "followers" to marry up to four women . .  . .

There are reasons for that and BIBLE does not say it is a sin to marry more than one or one must not marry than one, if you have it kindly show me.  We have stories of those having more than one wife in the bible. Abraham happened to be a very good story in that, there are reasons for marrying more than one.

why EXACTLY  am i attempting to quote ur "holy" koran. Here are the links to tell you the EVIL pepertuated against women in ISLAM as evidenced today all over the world.

Always verify stories before doing 'cut and paste'. You gave wrong verses and was corrected but had to change to another yet with wrong numbers .

HERE ARE A LIST OF VICTIMS AND FELLOW "MULLAHS" WHO CORROBORATE MY CLAIMS:
http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-5420265376020874529&ei=hwAgSp7zDYeD-QbLzYW8Dw&q=women+abuse+in+islam&client=firefox-a

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izUv-ywBeg4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1pil4zArzE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izUv-ywBeg4
http://www.geocities.com/hammihanirani/articles/chauvanism.html
http://www.mefeedia.com/entry/life-is-short-take-a-stand-introducing-muslim-men-against-domestic-abuse-mmada-org/18325418

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iWGA8i6scYY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wp3Eam5FX58
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2002/02/0212_020212_honorkilling.html
http://islam-watch.org/SyedKamranMirza/honor_killing.htm
http://www.themodernreligion.com/ugly/ugly_women.htm
http://www.uri.edu/artsci/wms/hughes/mhviran
http://www.jannah.org/sisters/wifeabuse.html

I didnt check through all you posted up but can as well post stories of certain doctrines in your bible from reverts. For the fact that the above do all you listed doesnt mean Islam allows that, Islam frowns at wife abuse, wife rights denial, honor killing etc.

@Todak

Babs, this is very unlikely of you, why did you just debunk it and wait for the answer from the corrupt bible, it is a shame o,

Thank you for noticing that. I sensed that this thread is intended to generate into your usual rhetoric hence my replying that way. Muslims know the stand of Birthday in Islam but noticed that you christian follow civilization when it concerns certain things hence my asking for the stand of that in your bible.

Muslims have responded, so what is christians' stand on that with biblical verses?

Thank you, Sir Todak

@Phemour

Almost all Hausa seems to be knowledgeable as every hausa boy or girl must go to Islamiya, they value Islamiya than schools, which other Nigerian tribes find difficult to do.

Is going to Arabic school your yardstick for being knowledgeable? Do you say everybody is intelligent just because they go to school or everybody knows, understands English Language because they attend English Language classes?

They know Qur’an and they are also aware of your quotes but they just cant adhere to it.

Then that is not knowledge. A muslim follows the Quran, Hadith and Sunnah of the prophet (saw)

She doesn't want to be lepa shandy, she wants to be timid and a lil bit fat so that during combat with her sweetheart she can triumph Shocked Shocked Cool

I've run out of usernames Lips sealed

You could still use c[b]-osisi [/b]just like noetic changed to[b] c-noetic[/b] and finally to e-osisi

@Olaadegbu

Na wa for this my friend o. You are still with that your Christianity googles

That Judgment day that you put in brackets is an addition which is not part of the verse.  It is your own interpretation that you want to use to deceive others.

Read to understand my good friend. I would provide explanation below since you keep repeating same thing over.

If you have a copy of the Qur'an you can read such stories of the so called childhood miracles of Jesus that can seen in Surah 19:29-33 and 5:110 where you have baby Jesus talking. Shocked  This legend or myth was first spread by the gnostics in the 2nd century A.D.  The occultic Egyptians had similar accounts.  These gnostics wrote apocryphal gospels to contradict the synoptic gospels but using false characters as the names of the disciples of Christ.

Na wa for you, so you are claimig that Jesus didnt talk during infancy but how do you reconcile the story when her mother left her people but only to return with a baby? How do you expect her to tell people and prove her chastity when confronted by her people as to how she got the baby. The baby happened to rescue her mother from the people thinking of her to have indulged in illicit affair.The talking of the baby happened to be a miracle and its only people of faith that have wisdom, would appreciate and believe that just like we have stories of miracles done by Jesus in the bible like walking on water etc.

BWT, how did muslims copy the bible and it runs contrary to some man made doctrines and spoke of who really Jesus is? If Muslims have copied that, then it should have Jesus as saviour and others being inserted into the bible after the demise of Jesus.

The Qur'anic fable above was copied from the apocryphal gospel of Thomas which was a myth or folklore tales, but see how they found there way into the Qur'an which has been claimed to be received from heaven. Undecided  Such tales could have been borrowed from one of the "prophet's" wives who was said to be a "Christian".

Do you have any hadith or fact to back your stories up? How do we have difference in the true nature of Jesus, why did Quran kick against trinity, sonship, Godship if they have copied the bible?

The verse in question states:

"Peace on me the day I was born, and the day I die, and the day I shall be raised alive!"

If you noticed you will discover that they made the first blunder by claiming in 19:28 that Mary the mother of Jesus was the sister of Aaron. Shocked  They went on to say that Jesus spoke as a child and spoke of when he was born, when he will die and when he will be resurrected.  All these they claimed, he said a baby.  I don't see where you get the idea that he was talking about Judgment day or are we just grabbing at straws?

Firstly, let us go into what Jesus would be asked on Judgement day. In Surah Maidah, Allah on last day, would call Jesus and ask him thus:

Quran 5 v 110: (Remember) when Allâh will say (on the Day of Resurrection). "O 'Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary)! Remember My Favour to you and to your mother when I supported you with Rûh­ul­Qudus [Jibrael (Gabriel)] so that you spoke to the people in the cradle[] and in maturity; and when I taught you writing, Al­Hikmah (the power of understanding), the Taurât (Torah) and the Injeel (Gospel); and when you made out of the clay, as it were, the figure of a bird, by My Permission, and you breathed into it, and it became a bird by My Permission, and you healed those born blind, and the lepers by My Permission, and when you brought forth the dead by My Permission; and when I restrained the Children of Israel from you (when they resolved to kill you) since you came unto them with clear proofs, and the disbelievers among them said: 'This is nothing but evident magic.' "

Having done that, let us go to read the verse that you failed to comprehend

Quran 19 v 33:  "So peace is upon me  the day I was born, the day that I die, and the day that I shall be raised up to life."

The above verse didnt say he was crucified as we read by Allah in Surah Nissai:

Quran 4:156-159 "That they rejected Faith; That they uttered against Mary A grave false charge;  That they said (in boast):  'We killed Christ Jesus The son of Mary, The Messenger of Allah.'  But they killed him not, Nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not.  Nay, Allah raised him up Unto Himself; and Allah Is Exalted in Power, Wise.  And there is none of the people of the book (Jews and Christians) But must believe in him  (Jesus) Before his death; And on the Day of Judgment He (Jesus) will be a witness Against them."


Jesus didnt die nor crucified but was raised to Allah and would come as a muslim to fight Dajjal when the time comes and would die a natural death and be raised back to life on last day as we will all do just like someone cannot die a natural death twice:

Quran 44 v 56:  "Nor will they [all humans who end up in heaven] there taste death, except the first death; [/b]and He will preserve them from the penalty of the blazing fire.   

Mna would die once just like your bible states that 'it is appointed unto man to die once but after this, the judgement'. Some Christian sects like the  Basilidans, Docetate and Marcionite do not believe that Jesus was put on the cross.

[b]Similar verse goes to John the Baptist too in :

Quran 19 v 15:  "So peace on him  the day he was born, the day that he dies, and the day that he will be raised up to life! 

There is no doubt that Mo borrowed from both Jewish and Christian myth (folklore stories), which makes any attempt to describe the Qur'an as inspired or received from heaven difficult to support.

When did he do that? Why are in they not in agreement with regards to sonship, trinity, Godship etc?

However, If you want to know the real story of the birth, life, miracles, death, burial, resurrection and His second coming your book got it right when it said that you should contact the people of the book.  So, you guys will have no excuse by saying "I did not know or I was not told" on that day.

Go siddon somwhere . You even count yourself as one of those mentioned therein. Go read about early christians and their believe and when you do that, let me know as we would know if christianity being practised today happened to be the same practised then. You would have even read about the Basilidans, Docetate, Marcionite etc, they dont believe in his being put on the cross!!!




@Olaadegbu, Davidylan, Noetic, No2atheism, Todak

One of you claimed that/ or asked me to furnish him with plagiarism from the bible in which I said I would get back. Well, here it is

2nd king 19 and Isaiah 37 recorded same stories in the mentioned chapters and that make me to wonder as to who wrote the book of Kings and that of Isaiah. Christians say Isaiah wrote the book of Isaiah and can we say he authored 1st and 2nd King as well?

@Phemour

Hausa man can just finish Gambling now and go to mosque with the intension of Salat Cleans Sins

A muslim does not indulge in gambling as it happens to be tool of shaitan:

[O you who believe! Intoxicants (all kinds of alcoholic drinks), gambling, Al­ Ansab, and Al­ Azlam (arrows for seeking luck or decision) are an abomination of Satan's handiwork. So avoid (strictly all) that (abomination) in order that you may be successfu[/b]l. [b]Satan wants only to excite enmity and hatred between you with intoxicants (alcoholic drinks) and gambling, and hinder you from the remembrance of Allah and from the prayer. So, will you not then abstain?] (Al-Ma'idah 5:90-91).

They kill, Commit Adultery, Smoke Igbo. . . . but they have this respect for Salat, they leave all they are doing when they hear As-Salat.

Adultery has no place in Islam. A muslim doesnt indulge in all these.

Hausas Believe Salat Cleans Sins! Are They Right?

I disagree. Knowledgeable Hausas do not believe in that.

@Uplawal

Is this not your email addy: titilayo25@yahoo.co.uk? I re-sent but it told me 'failure delivery'.

Barka Jumuah . Today's lecture was on kindness to muslims and non muslims citing the Holy prophet as example.

@Osisi

So you don't celebrate birthdays?
are you sure you're not from Kafanchan,you this man

When you are ready for discussion, let me know so that we would discuss. My post you quoted goes for OP and the question goes a long way to find out the stand of that in your bible.

Yeye Nne

@Davidylan

its scanty because muslims dont understand islam.

What dont they understand sir? I can see that you have been teaching them.

@Osisi

and what did rams do to you for you to pray then slaughter them "humanely" and cook them in 400 degree heat for consumption?
where is your love and mercy for your fellow animals.
One minute a poor little lamb is looking at you lovingly and saying baa baa and the next minute your Iyawo Sikiratu is making peppersoup with his intestines and liver.
You eat a whole turine of the whole thing with one big stout,belch 20 times and relax infront of your computer
babs how could you be this cruel[color=#990000][/color]?

RFLMAO . You will never change . No need giving you Quranic verses and hadith on Islamic stands on Animal.

@Davidylan

I am still very much around the corner reading your discussion with Uplawal. You better join us and make a u-turn like we did before it would be too late


@Uplawal

I have sent something to your mailbox. Read, digest and learn more ,

@Todak

Could you provide where creation of heaven was more than 7 days or where creation of earth alone was more than two days.

Thanks

Amen sir Tudor

Amen sir Tudor

My friend Tudor,Todaks needs no answer as all he wrote couldnt have been true because if jesus is God,you wouldnt need to read all the chapters in OT before knowing that all he posted couldnt have been for God Jesus

@Tudor,You know t"hat learning continues till one dies. My clown,do you have any school I can enrol. Abegi, explain your quoted statement and lets move. Thanks for making my day with laughter,my clown

@Tudor

Where's babs with his answer if i may ask?

I am here but waiting to read Todak's response to my question. I prepared his answers but held on. The reason for that is, if he claim Jesus is still God of the OT, then his analysis is very wrong and wouldnt be needing any response but if he claims that Jesus is not God of the OT, then I would come in with detailed response with verses to expose his post.

Help me beg him to answer.

@Tudor

That name sounds like a brand name of something I know

Why,why are you embarassing yourself like this?
Even a 3 year old child knows atheists can't believe in creation. I guess islamization = brainlessness.
I think it's better to evolve from maggots and apes,than to be a descendant or follower of a paedophile warlord.

My clown in the house would not kill me with laughter. Do you think a clown is worth taking serious

Let me tease you a little, everybody knows that atheists do not believe in creation but your post made me laugh no be small and you could explain what you meant here:

so the fact i dont believe in the bible or quaran makes me a believer in evolution?

What is the meaning of your statement here?

has your islamic brain ever thought that oh, there might be atheists who dnt believe in evolution.

Example is Tudor . What is the meaning of your statement my clown

.when you get home you'll go and matchete your fellow islamists. Savages!

I have not done and will never, my good friend clown Tudor

@Reindeer

Guys get back to the topic and leave david alone

did Allah not permit 'shayo' in heaven while disallowing it on earth?, something is fishy here! Huh

Shayo is not permitted in heaven. Most of Haram would be made Halal there. Wine would be allowed but every traces of your intoxicant abi na shayo would not there so that you would not drink and go sleep inside gutter thinking you are in your bed or you pee on your bed thinking you are in your gents.

They are here again o. Osisi, Osisi,Osisi,take your time. A question for you please,what did swine do for Jesus to cast demon into them and finally drown them. Could you show me the mercy,love in that?

Lmao.@Tudor,you no go kill me with laughter o. So you didnt evolve as ape meaning that your great grand parent were not apes. So,are you telling me that your own atheist believe in creation? I have a very wonderful clown in the house called Tudor. Can you enlighten me more on your kinda atheist cos your belief different from those I have been reading from

@Tudor,u have turned yourself to a clown. I saw the thread but want you to help me ask your brethren Todak a question and when he does that, I would come in with more Quranic and Biblical verses coupled with explanations. I read in the biblical verses,statement that are not Jesus'.You know christians say Jesus is God,help me ask Todak if God Jesus is also God of the Old Testament? Thanks and looking forward to reading from your brother Todak and I would come in to attend to his post.

@Todak,I am not the type that runs for debate.You may ask your folks when the going was tougher and the heat was on. How many of my questions have you been able to answer and dont forget a thread where I shred the answers you brought from your authors and you claimed that you couldnt go further since you've provided your answers. So y the game of dishonesty here? You'v not been able to provide where creation of heaven and earth took more than 6 days but all you could do was to make denials and unintelligent calculation in which my kid would beat you to it. If you are observant,you would see that your brethren kept mute because they know that you are making a mockery of yourself and argues like a toddler. A word is enough for the wise but I doubt if you are.

You are right Abuzola,Muslims having light weight as a result of one sin or the other would taste hell but would be taken out after serving their terms and have their faces washed

OP, will you provide biblical verses as to why its celebrated?

@Dawoda nackson, e dey pain you?

@Tudor,wetin Abuzola do you now? Make you waka go your section before I vex for you. Pardon me my good friend, I have forgotten that you dont have atheist/agnostic section

@Tudor,can u show me where I insulted Jesus? I wrote 'two books' since we are working towards peace and not hatred. But wait o, you are not in the best position to tell me that but a christian and you would have read my posts on bible. We both still believe that a creator exists and not your evolutionary hogwash. I learnt your great grand father happened to be ape abi na gorilla,orang utan abi na chimpazee sef.