fearlesschicken:
I believe in a God who creates the world we are in but I don't believe in the bible does it make me less a christian?

I had an argument with a friend of mine, he keep calling me an athiest because I said the bible is inaccurate and I can't leave my life based on a book with so many errors and contradictions.

I don't believe in all this supernatural stuffs either, like witches and wizards,demons etc or some silly doctorines we have in the bible like women being submissive and a divorcee not allowed to get married etc

I just believe in one thing: love!

So am I less a christian for not beliving the bible and all the other things I mentioned? If am not a christian what am I?

Cc:captainjune,winner01,malvinsguy212,
Johnydon22,hahn,davien, etc

My brother, do the necessary thing and forget religions and their misleading books. Jesus made everything clear to us in His Word. He categorically told us that only the Truth sets us free. In another place He said: Not those who say to me lord, lord... But the who do the Will of my Father.
Now, the necessary thing here is to recognise the Will of the Father and live accordingly.
The Will of God manifests as Laws, and It is what people call Laws of Nature or Laws of Creation. There's nothing in Creation that's not under These Laws including man, whether he recognises the Laws or not as Jesus once said that ignorance is not an excuse.
Jesus in His entire Message explained these Laws and Their operations except where His followers distorted and misinterpreted it.
Religion has reduced all those who side with it to the level of hot house plants because I see no reason why sane humans would ignore such redeeming words and warnings of Jesus which only strict adherence of it would grant them salvation and prefer to cling tenaciously to a dastardly crime committed against Him on the cross as means of their salvation, even after Christ Himself gave them the parable of the Vine Yard which clearly showed that the murder of Jesus was the gravest sin ever committed which was never willed by God. Yet, as sensible as human beings claim they are, no one dares to think deeply into issues like this.
They prefer the easy way which says repeat after me and thereby cling to blind and dead faith that burdens them the more.
Jesus did not write any book known as bible nor did He establish any religion called Christianity. God is not interested in religions nor churches! He is only interested in those creatures who prove themselves worthy of His concern, those who worship Him on daily basis through activities and purity of their thoughts, words and deeds. These indeed are the children of God! Not those who only make claims of things they have zero knowledge of.

tsdarkside:



hahaha....you definitly dey craze....ihahahahahaha...................

Lol. U must be a drunk from where I can't figure out. Why u so funny? Are u detrimental to the truth?

"There has been no national direction, no economic policy; no government. Only bombastic anti-corruption rhetoric. Not surprisingly, the economy has gone from bad to worse. Official reports from the National Bureau of Statistics indicate that while like Nero, Buhari fiddles as Nigeria burns, our GDP has plummeted to 2.35%; a 40% decline under Buhari. Job-creation has dropped by 69%.

The CBN, in its Monetary Policy Committee Report of August 2015, complained that: “lack of fiscal directives is behind (Nigeria’s) current economic woes.” This is a big indictment of the administration"

How sad it is to know that these apc victims are without any iota of shame. How on earth are sane people still referring to a clean and educated man as clueless when truest definition of cluelessness stands or sits before all Nigerians. Not even a pin to celebrate a 100 days in office with! No policy direction, no cabinet, boko haram which GEJ pushed out of the country are now in their full vigour of operation, Naira is falling on daily basis, economy is deteriorating, not any single move made to actuallise any of their campaign promises after 100 days in office. They think same propaganda that brought them into power will keep them should they fail to deliver. We are watching

Mr Handsome Duke. A mentor, a brother and friend. It's with sadness I announce to u that Calabar is still dwelling on the past glory u left behind. Nothing tangible has been achieved for the state since u left.
We can't have u back as governor and so, we pray and hope we will have u someday in Aso Rock to clear all the mess and build the Nigeria of our dream as a great mason and builder u really are.

Swaggzkid:
Eeeeeeww! God save us

Why didn't he say it all this years He is a gold digger!

Am sure he is tryna find favour in the side of the President

I know baba[apc warlord] won't mind the gold digger. Even when it was announced that buhari won the election he and his wife flew from their residential mansion in Lagos and went to Abuja to congratulate him* isn't that eye service? He has bitten the hand that feed him.

Quote me not coz I won't answer you .

U called Duke a gold digger? I bet u, no member of ur family throughout existence will reach the height Duke has attained. Ebok!

fragile96:
he didn't bowed out honourably, we pushed him out, coz he was too slugish.

Yes, u are right. GEJ was too sluggish that's why he's given the name: "baba go slow"
#smh

brocab:
You call yourself a Christian and yet you have shown evidence you are not.
"Quote> If you are rapture'd you have lost contact with your love ones here on earth.
God is Love. What more do you need.
"Quote>And if people die they also lost contact with there love ones.
Not if their love ones were Christians, Jesus said at the end of the age, we will meet the dead in the clouds.

It's quite unfortunate to know that death is still something so mysterious to many. Do not forget that u standing here on earth have within u the real ego, the core hence the real u standing in the other ends known as the beyond. It is this real u standing in the beyond that animated the physical body standing on earth and enables it to walk. If the cord connecting the real ego and the physical body which serves as a cloak for the real ego to be able to act on earth is tempered with sometimes through sickness, over cultivation, or severe pain, the ego severs itself from the ailing physical body in order not to feel the pain for a long time and this severance automatically results to what we see as death while the ego lives on. Now, to the question of the dead losing contact with loved ones, he or she actually lost no contact. He or she still sees the loved ones, hears all that they are saying and vigorously tries to call on their attention that he or she is still very much alive. But because of the spiritual conditions of the loved ones, they cannot hear, see nor sense the departed because they are either spiritually deaf and blind or spiritually dead. And in truth, this is the condition of more than half of humanity on earth today who call themselves believers. They prefer what those servants of darkness who parade themselves as servants of Light tell them because it pleases their itching ears and offers them a sense of comfort and ease. They prefer tinsels to pure gold. They accept stones instead of bread and therefore die slowly spiritually. A man that's truly alive both spiritually and physically is able to sense, feel, hear, see although sometimes partially the things going on in the world beyond. The condition of today's humanity is far worse than that of those in the time of Jesus on earth. They always expect the manifestation of God's Will or promises to come in a monstrous way not knowing that true greatness only lie in simplicity. They were expecting their Messiah but in their views, He would fall from the sky magically, or born in the ranks of the highly educated, super rich, etc. Unfortunately for them, the fulfilment came in a way so unassuming, so simple and the opportunity for them to embrace their Messiah passed them bye. And so is it this time in our days. Billions are expecting the second coming of Jesus in a monstrous way meanwhile He Who was to come which Jesus Himself bore witness of in Revelations1:4-5, might have come and gone unsuspectingly with very few who were able to recognise Him, accept Him and adhere to His everlasting gospel of the Kingdom, that which is perfect. Hence the fulfilment of the parable of the ten virgins. It is a sad picture but truth as it is. Every second and minute of the day is too precious to be wasted in blind faith. The clock is ticking no one knows when his or her end comes. No one is so sure of the next day on earth. Why don't we make such an effective use of the last chance God has mercifully granted us. The clock is ticking and the decision is ours. To save our souls or perish eternally.

brocab:
Your not understanding the scripture Matthew 24:21 "Jesus was predicting the future, and when He said until this time, He was talking in terms of the great tribulation at the end of the age.

Even the prophets in the Old testament, prophesied of Jesus's coming, they spoke well and truly into the future, not at their own time flame.
This is why we have the Old testament and the New testament.
Since you believe we are already in heaven on earth in this day and age, then at least you could show me in scripture where the Lord allowed Sin into heaven

There's no heaven on earth! U would be more correct if u said 'hell on earth.
Notwithstanding, there are those who feel and enjoy the blessings and peace of heaven while on earth, and these are those who recognise the Laws of the Father and adjust their whole life to It. The Laws being the Will of the Father.
Certainly, the end is coming. But this post no sign of the end of earth existence. It simply means the end of all darkness, evil and those who take sides with it. We are already standing in that long predicted final judgment and the end is at hand. This end is actively at work through natural and man-made disasters, accidents and other vices we hear and see on TV and radio stations on daily basis, others we witness with our eyes. The end occurs on daily basis and individually, and will truly be an end when all the evil people and their darkness are cleared off the gross material creation. Then will the new dawn marks itself with the setting in of the Millennium with the leadership of the Son of Man Himself. It will be a glorious moment for all who survived the Last Judgment. Also, a moment of schooling for those souls on how they will live in heaven where only the Will of God reigns. Hence the fulfilment of the Lord's prayer, Thy Will be done on earth as it is in heaven.

wordoflife2us:
Please i really do not want to be confused with any biblical message to ensure that iam doing the right thing and at the right time, please dear nairalanders, i wish to know from the bibllical account what the Lord said about rapture and when it will occur? the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ to redeem His people, is it the time of rapture according the scripture? Another questions is this, will rapture come before the mark of the beast or after the mark of the beast, I need quotes from the Bible please..... We should not be deceived in anyway by the events of our days, be careful and alert, be sober, do not always get drunk, parties and all that, but please try to read your Holy Bible to get light from God to know the hidding wisdom of today's events, you will be able to recognize and know what is going on only when you read the word of God Almighty....

Do not be deceived with wrong transmission that was passed down to us. There's nothing like rapture! And there's nothing like the second coming of Jesus! He made this clear to us when He said: ...I go to the Father and ye shall henceforth not see me... He categorically told us another that would come after Him, to remind us of all He taught us, guide us into all truth, show us more things to come, and then bring the Judgment. Where confusion arose is our inability to differentiate between the Son of God and the Son of Man. Jesus, the Son of God described Him using many names such as: The Comforter, The Bride Groom, The Spirit of Truth, The Son of Man. Revelations helps throw more light on the One Who's coming when it states thus: Greetings from Him which is, which was, and which is to come; and from the Seven Spirits before His Throne. And from Jesus Christ. In paying close attention to this very portion, it is clear that nine personalities are mentioned here. First is, Him, which is, which was, and which is to come. Second are the Seven Spirits before His Throne. Third is Jesus, the Son of God Who was there only to bear witness of Him Who is to come. Now, Jesus we know, our concern should be to recognise Him Who is to come with the descriptions Jesus used when He talked about Him while on earth, but we av failed and that practically renders our faith blind and dead. With regards to the rapture, one only needs to understand the workings of God in His Justice and Love. Also, the operations of His Laws resting in Creation. There can never be any question of rapture without one having to first of all shed the physical body through physical death. And in accordance with the Law of Spiritual Gravitation, only the souls who through their good deeds while on earth acquired lighter bodies can be lifted up to the regions of Light. While those who through their evil deeds on earth acquired heavy ethereal bodies and must be dragged down into the abyss. There are no other ways rather than the ways of the Laws of God which bear His Divine Will. All other beliefs are nothing but religious dogmatism which only arise out of total blind faith and lack of knowledge.

Tolupride:
Jst give me a good reason to vote for GEJ
Is it because of our sinking economy ?or
because of my 4years degree program turning to six
and many more jst give me one gud reason to vote for him

U don't listen to issues. All u listen to is propaganda! If not u would know that Nigeria is currently the largest economy in Africa

abacusCm:
we are talking about a man that will reshape and restructure Nigeria in a better way,and the op is still requesting for his certificate.abeg op,you that have the certificate what have you achieved with it so far?whether you like it or not GMB shall rule Nigeria again

Just as he reshaped and restructured between 1983-1985 abi? Why are u guys packaging an expired product? A clueless, uncivilised and incompetent man who could not do anything without his deputy(Idiagbon), even when he knew he was going to thrown out of office like a rag? What's wrong with some Nigerians? A dictator in civilian attire?
Why are u asking for impossibility?
Are u for real?
#SMH

itetemi:



its a done deal already

Great delusions my dear.

Clemzzz:
To be honest,Jonathan & pdp have both lost it already.The real problem they have is allowing OBJ leave their party.That baba was the only sensible member of that party.Anyway,I sym
pathise with GEJ and his team of failures.

Laughing at u with Chinese language. I'll get back to u on the 29th, just hold on to ur dead dream.
In this country apc win PDP? #lafsssssssssss

THE DEVELOPMENT OF CREATION


ONCE BEFORE I have pointed out that the written accounts of Creation should not be taken in an earthly sense. The Bible narrative also does not refer to this earth. The creation of the earth was simply the natural consequence of the further development of the first Creation.
It is almost incredible how scriptural scholars could have jumped to such an illogical and incomplete assumption as that God out of His own Perfection could, without any transition, have immediately created the gross material earth!
To get nearer to the truth of what actually happened, it is not necessary to change the “Word” of the Scriptures. On the contrary, the description of the history of Creation represents the truth much more clearly than do all the false and incomplete assumptions! It is only the erroneous interpretations which have caused a misunderstanding on the part of so many people!
These people quite rightly sense the mistake that is made by persistently placing the Paradise referred to in the Bible on this gross material earth, which is so far remote from the Divine. It surely cannot be so little known that the Bible is primarily a spiritual book! It gives clarification about spiritual events, man only being mentioned where he has an immediate relationship with these spiritual things in order to illustrate and make them clear.
Finally even the human intellect can understand – because it is so natural – that the Bible narrative of Creation does not refer to the earth, which is so far away from the Creator!
Hardly anybody will dare to dispute the fact that this immediate Creation of God, designated as the first Creation, can only be looked for in His immediate neighbourhood, because it was the first to emanate from Him, and is thus bound to be in closer connection with Him! No calm and clear thinker will expect that this first and original Creation was enacted just on this earth, which is furthest removed from the Divine Sphere, and which only came into being in the further course of development!
Thus there could be no question of a Paradise on earth! What God created, as expressly stated in the story of Creation, naturally remained immediately connected with Him and could only be situated in His near vicinity. It is likewise quite understandable and natural that consequently all that was created in or emanated from His immediate proximity must most nearly resemble the Creator’s own Perfection.
However, to suppose this to be on the gross material earth must breed doubters! The thought of a “driving out” from the earthly Paradise, whereby those driven out would still have to remain on the same earth, is so unhealthy, is so evidently and grossly material in its concept, as to be almost grotesque! It is a lifeless picture, bearing the stamp of such a rigidly compiled dogma that no sensible human being knows what to do with it!
The less perfect a thing is the further removed it is from Perfection. Hence the spiritual beings who were created out of Perfection cannot be the human beings on earth, but must have their place closest to this Perfection, and therefore represent the most ideal examples for humanity! They are the eternal spiritual beings who never descend into the World of Matter and therefore never become human beings. They are radiant, ideal figures who attract like magnets and, at the same time, exercise a strengthening influence on all the abilities in the human spirit-germs, and later in the spirits which have attained to consciousness.
The Paradise mentioned in the Bible may therefore not be confused with the earth!
For a better understanding it is necessary once again to give a complete picture of all that exists in order to make it easier for the seeker to find his way to the Eternal Kingdom of God, the Paradise from which he originates in his very first spiritual beginning.
Let man imagine Divinity as absolutely the highest over all! God Himself, as the starting point of all that exists, as the Primordial Source of all Life, is in His absolute Perfection unsubstantiate. Next to God Himself in His very own Unsubstantiality follows the Sphere of Divine Substantiality. In this originate the first beings to take form and shape. To these belong in the first place the Primordial Queen and the Archangels, and finally a small number of Elders. The Elders are of great importance for the further development towards spiritual substantiality, much in the same way as, later on, the conscious beings of the Animistic Sphere are of great importance for the development of matter. Lucifer was sent from the Sphere of Divine Substantiality to be a direct support for Creation as it automatically developed further.
The Son of God, however, issued from Divine Unsubstantiality as a part of It, and after fulfilling His Mission of help had to return to Divine Unsubstantiality and again become One with the Father. The Son of Man also issues from Divine Unsubstantiality. Through the connection with conscious spiritual substantiality His Part, which was severed, remained of necessity separate from Divine Unsubstantiality, and yet also directly connected with It, so that He may stand as the Eternal Mediator between God and His Work.
As Lucifer, who proceeded from the Sphere of Divine Substantiality, failed in his mission, it became necessary to send in his place someone stronger who could bind him and bring help to Creation. For this reason the Son of Man, who was entrusted with this office, issued from Divine Unsubstantiality.
Adjoining the Sphere of Divine Substantiality is Primordial Creation, the Eternal Kingdom of God. Closest to Divine Substantiality there is first of all conscious spiritual substantiality, consisting of the created eternal spiritual beings who are also called spirits. These are the perfect, ideal forms of all that human spirits, in their most perfect development, can and should aspire to. Like magnets they draw up those who strive to ascend. Through this automatic connection those who are seeking and those who strive to ascend often feel an inexplicable longing, which gives rise to the urge to seek and strive upwards.
These spirits were never born into the World of Matter, and were created by God Himself, the Primordial Source of all Being and all Life, as the first Primordial Spirits, thus coming nearest to Him in perfection. They are the ones made after His Own Image!
It must not be overlooked that the story of Creation expressly states: “After His Image!” This statement is not without importance, for they can only be after His Image, not after Himself, i.e., only after that in which He shows Himself, because only pure Divinity Itself is unsubstantiate.
In order to show Himself God must first clothe Himself in Divine Substantiality, as has already been said above, but even then He cannot be seen by those who dwell in spiritual substantiality, but only by those dwelling in Divine Substantiality, and that only to a minor degree, because all that is purely Divine must in its perfect purity and radiance blind what is not so Divine. Even those of Divine Substantiality cannot look upon God’s Countenance! The difference between Divine Unsubstantiality and Divine Substantiality is still far too great!
This Paradise of conscious spiritual substantiality also contains unconscious spiritual substantiality which holds the same fundamental components as conscious spiritual substantiality, i.e., the germs. These germs have life, and all life in the whole Creation strives to develop in obedience to Divine Will, to develop towards consciousness. This is quite a natural and healthy process!
The unconscious, however, can only achieve this consciousness through experiencing, and this urge towards further development through experiencing finally causes such maturing or ambitious germs of unconscious spiritual substantiality to be automatically expelled or ejected, whichever you wish to call it, over the boundary of the Sphere of Spiritual Substantiality. Since this expulsion or ejection of a germ cannot take place in an upward direction, it must necessarily proceed in the only way open to it, and that is downwards.
And this is the natural expulsion from Paradise, from the Sphere of Spiritual Substantiality, necessary to every spirit-germ striving to become conscious!
When it is said: “In the sweat of thy brow thou shalt eat thy bread”, this is metaphorically quite correct. In other words, the turmoil of experiencing makes it necessary for it to defend itself and struggle against the onrushing influences of the lower sphere into which it penetrates as a stranger!
This expulsion, ejection, or being driven out from Paradise is in no wise a punishment, but becomes an absolutely natural and automatic necessity when the spirit-germ is nearing a certain stage of maturity as a result of the urge to develop self-consciousness. It is the birth from the Sphere of Unconscious Spiritual Substantiality into the Sphere of Animistic Substantiality1, and later into the World of Matter for the purpose of developing. It is progress, not retrogression!
The Fall of Man, which occurred only later, and from which hereditary sin developed, was a happening all on its own, about which I shall still give a detailed explanation. It has nothing whatever to do with the continuously recurring process described here!
It is also quite a correct description when it is said in the story of Creation that man felt the desire to “cover his unclothedness” after the conception of good and evil awakened within him, which was the beginning of self-consciousness.
With the increasing urge to become conscious, ejection or expulsion from Paradise follows automatically, so as to journey through the Animistic Sphere and enter the World of Matter. Now as soon as the spirit-germ steps out of the Realm of Spiritual Substantiality it would stand “naked” as such in the lower, different and denser surrounding. One could also say “uncovered”. It is then that the human spirit feels not only the urge but the absolute necessity to cover itself protectingly with the essence and nature of the substance surrounding it; to wrap itself in a sort of cloak and take on first the animistic covering, then the ethereal body and finally also the gross material body.
Not until it has clothed itself in a gross material cloak or body does sexual instinct fully awaken and with it physical shame!
The greater this feeling of shame is the nobler is this instinct and the higher the man also ranks spiritually! The inner spiritual worth of a human being on earth may be directly measured by the greater or lesser degree of his physical shame.
This is an infallible standard and easily recognised by any man! When this feeling of outward shame has been choked or eradicated, the soul’s far finer and quite different feeling of shame will always be simultaneously choked and the inner man consequently debased.
It is an infallible sign of a deep fall and certain deterioration when humanity, under the guise of progress, begin to want to “lift” themselves above the feeling of shame, this precious jewel which could help them in every respect. No matter whether this is done under cover of sport, hygiene, fashion, children’s education or many another welcome pretence! Decline and fall cannot then be stayed, and only the greatest of shocks can perhaps still bring to their senses a few of all those who so thoughtlessly allowed themselves to be drawn along this course!
Following its natural expulsion and during its journey through the animistic sphere and material parts of Creation, not only one but ever more urgent necessities arise for the existence of the spirit-germ in these lower regions of Creation so as further to develop and uplift them. This also works in return to strengthen and fortify the germ, not only contributing to its own development towards self-consciousness but actually making it possible.
It is a gigantic working and weaving, with the threads in the cosmic loom, as it were, intermingling in a thousand ways. Yet in spite of all the lively individual activity there is such an absolutely logical interlocking with the reciprocal actions that the path of a single spirit-germ, right to its very end, appears to be part of a beautiful many-coloured carpet, deliberately formed by the hand of an artist. It is a path either leading upwards towards self-consciousness or descending to eventual annihilation in order to protect the others.
There are so many laws working silently but surely in the wonderful work of Creation that one could write an essay upon each of the thousand different processes in the life of man, but they would always lead back to the one great basic truth – the Perfection of the Creator as the Source of all that exists, Whose Will is the Living Creative Spirit. The Holy Spirit! All that is of spirit is Its Work!
As man originates in this work of spiritual substantiality he bears within himself a particle of the volition of this spirit. This, it is true, brings with it the freedom of decision and the responsibility attaching to it, but it is in no way the same as Divinity Itself, as is so often erroneously assumed and asserted.
Those who can survey with understanding every manifestation of the Divine Will, which through the Laws of Nature works to help and further Creation, will join in a wonderful harmonious hymn of praise, in one united feeling of gratitude and joy rising through millions of channels towards the Source!
The eternally recurring process of development in Creation, which brings about the consequent expulsion of the spirit-germ from Paradise at a certain stage of maturity, can also be seen with the physical eyes in all earthly happenings, because everywhere the process is reflected in the same way.
One could also call this expulsion, which is quite a natural development, the process of automatic release. It is exactly the same as a ripe apple or any other ripe fruit falling from a tree, so as to release the seed in the process of decomposition according to the Creative Will. Only then, under the outside influences brought to bear directly upon it, can it burst the covering, germinate and become a tender plant! The plant again can only develop resistance through exposure to rain, storm and sunshine and thus grow into a strong tree.
Thus the expulsion of the mature spirit-germ from Paradise is an inevitable result of development, in much the same way as the Animistic and Material Spheres, and finally the Gross Material World, are basically only a consequential development from the Sphere of Spiritual Substantiality! In this the fundamental characteristics of Original Creation continually repeat themselves, but with the necessary distinction that the manifestations always correspond to the essence and nature of the particular substance.
The expulsion of the soul also occurs in the World of Gross Matter as soon as its time of maturity has arrived. This is called physical death, and it is the automatic expulsion or severance of the soul from physical matter and its birth into ethereal matter. Here also one can liken the process to fruit falling from a tree. In calm weather only the ripe fruit fall, but during storms the unripe fruit also fall. The ripe fruit are those who pass over into the ethereal beyond at the right time and with their seeds inwardly matured. They are spiritually “ready” for the beyond, and therefore will quickly take root and be able to grow up securely!
The unripe fruit, however, are those whose fall or death, with the accompanying decay of the protecting physical body, lays bare the as yet unripe ethereal seeds, thus exposing them prematurely to all the influences, whereby they either have to perish or will be forced to complete their process of ripening before they can take root (adjust themselves) in the ethereal soil (conditions) and thus grow up.
And so development continually proceeds step by step unless in the meantime decay sets in and destroys the seeds insufficiently ripened. Such a seed is then lost and naturally with it the inherent possibility to become an independent fruit-bearing tree which, in its turn, can help to continue the process of development.
He who looks around attentively can often clearly observe this fundamental picture of all the happenings in Creation in his immediate vicinity, for in the most minute there is always mirrored a reflection of the greatest.
Next in order downwards from this Paradise of Spiritual Substantiality comes the Sphere of all Animistic Substantiality. This sphere is again divided into two parts. There is first conscious animistic substantiality, consisting of the elementals and nature-beings to which, as the last of many, belong the elves, gnomes, nixies, etc. These elementals and nature-beings were the necessary preparation for the further development towards the eventual creation of matter, for matter could only come into existence in unison with animistic substantiality.
The elementals and nature-beings had to co-operate creatively in the developing World of Matter just as they still do today!
Secondly, in the Sphere of Animistic Substantiality there exists unconscious animistic substantiality. From this issues the life of the animal soul.2 Here should be noted the difference between the Sphere of Spiritual Substantiality and the Sphere of Animistic Substantiality. Only that which is spirit bears within it from the very beginning onwards the power to make a free decision, and the resulting full responsibility. This is not the case with the beings of animistic substantiality!
A further result of the process of development was the creation of matter. This is divided into ethereal substance, in which there are many divisions, and gross material substance which, commencing with the finest nebulae, is visible to the physical eye. But there is no question of a Paradise on earth, as the earth is one of the furthest outposts of gross matter. The time will arrive when a reflection of the real Paradise must come on earth under the rule of the Son of Man at the beginning of the Millennium! Then at the same time there will be erected an earthly replica of the Grail Castle, the original of which stands on the highest heights of Creation as the hitherto only true Temple of God!

For ur complete knowledge of creation, I will still help very soon.

Sanchez01:
bsjay, your angle of thought is new and to think that you mentioned that the creation of Adam and Eve is not in the real sense. You're obviously paranoid about the account of creation. The Bible vividly described the four rivers; Pishon, Gihon, the Hiddekel, and the Euphrates are present in the world today. I enjoy Bible sessions with anyone who is willing to study and understand simple assertions. Please, read Genesis 1-3 and John 1-1 (with any advanced Bible commentary/guide) and you'll see the truths.

I was surprised you started with the "My people perish" quote but could not answer the OP's question. How would you explain to a lay man if asked in person? I have learnt overtime that the best way to destroy what you're saying is when you try to teach your teachers. Please don't get me wrong, I anticipated a more powerful viewpoint but what you submitted is far from it. There's a difference between Cain and his father and your epistle did not do justice to the subject matter. Simplicity and high spiritual alertness are required in understand the Scriptures. The Word of God is not Biology, Philosophy and Science. God's word is God's word and is made light to the heart of those who desire it. II Tim 2:15



Shalom!

*smiles* I know you'd rather hold on to those assumptions of yours which lacks conviction and ignore the word of Truth and knowledge.
However, the word of Truth is like a net cast into a river, it catches anything and everything but when brought out of the river, what is needed is selected and kept aside while the useless are thrown back into the river.
If the word of Truth and knowledge reaches you without corroborating with your assumptions, leave it alone and go your way quietly.
But bear in mind, more than soon the bandage shall fall and the fate of many will be so unspeakable.
The word of God is clear and requires no extenuation and deliberations.

Am always highly entertained by the supporters of Aggrieved People's Congress, Association of Prominent Criminals=APC.
Why are u guys gnashing ur tooth here when the whole conspiracy of Tinubu and some greedy Yorubas has been known by all. Many Northern groups have taken Uturn knowing that Tinubu is only using Buhari to return power to Yoruba as happened with Yar' Adua.
Such cheap conspiracy has been known. Stop quarreling among yourselves cos GEJ has no opponent. Shebi the latest news is that Buhari is undergoing treatment in a Florida hospital?
Many of u will hug transformer comes 28th March.

THE CREATION OF MAN
“GOD CREATED MAN after His own image and breathed into him His breath!” These are two happenings: the creating and the animating!
Both processes, as with everything, were strictly subject to the existing Divine Laws. Nothing can go beyond their scope. No Divine Act of Will will oppose these immovable Laws, which bear the Divine Will Itself. Also every revelation and promise takes place in regard to these Laws, and must be fulfilled in them, not otherwise!
So also the coming into existence of man on earth, which was a step forward of the mighty Creation, the transition of the gross material to an entirely new, higher state.
In order to speak of the incarnation of man it is necessary to know of the Ethereal World; for man in flesh and blood is placed as a furthering connecting-link between the ethereal part and the gross material part of Creation, while his root remains in the spiritual.
“God created man after His own image!”
This making or creating was a long chain of development, which took place strictly within the Laws which God Himself has woven into Creation. Put into effect by the Highest, these Laws work inflexibly and steadfastly at the fulfilment of His Will; automatically, as a part of Him, towards perfection.
So also with the creation of man as the crown of the whole work, in whom all the species that lay in Creation were to unite. Hence in the Gross Material World, physically visible matter, there was gradually formed in the further evolution the vessel in which a spark from the Spiritual that was immortal could be incarnated.
Through the continuously striving forming there grew up in time the most highly developed animal which, by thinking, already made use of various aids for its sustenance and defence. Even today we can observe certain species of animals which make use of certain aids to secure and store their necessities of life, and which often show astounding cunning in defence.
The aforesaid most highly developed animals, which were swept away by upheavals that took place on earth, are today described as “primeval men”. But to call them the ancestors of men is a great error! With equal right the cow could be described as “part-mother” of mankind, because in the first months of their lives most children need the cow’s milk to build up their bodies, and thus with her help remain alive and grow.
The noble and thinking animal “primeval man” has also not much more to do with the real man than that; for the gross material body of man is nothing more than the indispensable instrument that he needs to enable him to work in all directions in the gross material earthly, and to make himself understood.
To assert that man is descended from the ape is a great exaggeration! This is going much too far. Raising part of the process to represent the absolute full fact. The main point is lacking!
It would be right if man’s body really were “the man”. As it is, however, the gross material body is only his cloak, which he lays aside as soon as he returns to the Ethereal World.
How then did the first man come into existence?
The highest stage in the Gross Material World having been reached with the most perfect animal, a change for the purpose of further development had to come if there was not to be a standstill, which with its dangers could become retrogression. And this change was foreseen, and came:
Having issued as a spirit spark, sinking down through the Ethereal World and at the same time uplifting everything, there stood at its boundary, at the moment when the gross-material-earthly vessel rising upwards in its development had reached the highest point, the ethereal-spiritual human being also ready and prepared to unite with gross matter, in order to further and uplift it.
Thus while the vessel in the World of Gross Matter had grown to maturity, the soul in the Ethereal World had developed so far that it possessed sufficient strength to retain its independence upon entering the gross material vessel.
The union of these two parts now signified a closer union of the Gross Material World with the Ethereal World, right up to the Spiritual.
Only this event was the birth of man!
Procreation itself is still a purely animal act with men even today. Higher or baser intuitive perceptions attending it have nothing to do with the act itself, but they bring spiritual consequences whose effects become of great importance in the attraction of absolutely similar species.
Also of a purely animal nature is the development of the body up to the middle of pregnancy. Purely animal is really not the right expression, but for the time being I will call it purely gross material, and only enter into it more fully in later lectures.
In the middle of pregnancy, at a certain maturity of the growing body, the spirit intended for the birth is incarnated, which until then stays very much in the vicinity of the mother-to-be. The entrance of the spirit causes the first twitches of the small developing gross material body, thus the first movements of the child.
At this point there also arises the peculiarly blissful feeling of the pregnant woman, in whom quite different intuitive perceptions set in from this moment: the awareness of the presence of the second spirit within her, the sensing of it. And her own intuitive perceptions will also be in accordance with the nature of the new, second spirit within her.
Such is the process with every incarnation. But now let us return to the first coming into existence of man.
Thus the great epoch in the development of Creation had come: On the one side in the Gross Material World stood the most highly developed animal, which was to provide the gross material body as a vessel for the coming man; on the other side in the Ethereal World stood the developed human soul who was waiting to unite with the gross material vessel, and thereby give a further impetus for spiritualisation to everything gross material.
Now when an act of procreation took place between the noblest pair of these highly developed animals, there was incarnated at the hour of incarnation not an animal soul1, as hitherto, but instead the waiting human soul bearing within it the immortal spirit spark. The ethereal human souls with predominantly developed positive abilities incarnated in male animal bodies, corresponding to the homogeneity; those with predominantly negative, more delicate abilities in female bodies, which were closer to their nature.2
This process does not support the assertion that man, whose real origin lies in the spiritual, descends from the animal “primeval man”, which could only provide the gross material intermediate vessel. Even today it would not occur to the most extreme materialists to consider themselves directly related to an animal, and yet there is now, as there was then, a close physical relationship, hence a gross material homogeneity, whereas the really “living” man, that is, the actual spiritual “ego” of man, has no homogeneity with or derivation from the animal whatever.
Now after his birth the first earthman really stood alone, without parents, because in spite of their high development he could not recognise the animals as parents, and was unable to have any communion with them.
Nor did he need it; for he was a completely intuitively-perceptive human being, and as such also lived in the Ethereal World, which gave him values that made up for everything else.
The severance of the woman from the first human being was an ethereal-spiritual one. It did not take place in a gross-material-earthly way, as in fact the descriptions in the Bible and ancient religious writings mainly refer just to spiritual and ethereal events. Man as such stood alone, and during his growth primarily used the rougher, sterner intuitive perceptions for his subsistence, as a result of which the more delicate ones were increasingly pushed aside and isolated until, as the more delicate part of the spiritual man, they were completely severed.
Now this second part, in order not to remain inactive in the gross material, where in the first place it was absolutely necessary for upliftment, was incarnated in a second vessel, which in accordance with its fineness was of the female sex, while the rougher intuitive perceptions were left to the gross materially stronger man. Exactly corresponding to the Laws of the Ethereal World, in which everything immediately takes on form, the delicate and weak manifesting in female forms, the stern and strong in male forms.
Through her more valuable spiritual qualities, woman should and could in reality be more perfect than man, if she had only exerted herself to clarify ever more harmoniously the intuitive perceptions bestowed upon her, whereby she would have become a power that was bound to have a revolutionising and greatly furthering effect in the entire Gross Material Creation.
But unfortunately it was just she who above all failed, because she surrendered herself as a plaything to the strong powers of intuitive perception assigned to her, which in addition she even dimmed and defiled through feeling and imagination.
What deep significance lies in the Biblical narrative of the tasting from the tree of knowledge! How the woman, incited by the serpent, offered the apple to the man. A better illustration of the event in the material sphere simply could not have been given.
The offering of the apple, emanating from the woman, was the woman’s becoming conscious of the effect of her charms upon man, and their intentional exploitation. But the taking and eating by the man was his response to it with the awakening urge to draw the attention of woman only to himself by beginning to make himself desirable through accumulating treasures and appropriating various things of value.
With this began the cultivation of the intellect, with its accompanying manifestations of greed, falsehood and oppression, to which men finally subjected themselves completely, thus of their own free will making themselves slaves of their instrument.
But with the intellect as ruler it inevitably followed that, in accordance with its very nature, they also chained themselves firmly to time and space, thereby losing the ability to grasp or experience anything above time and space, such as everything spiritual and ethereal.
This was the complete severance from the real Paradise and from the Ethereal World, which they brought upon themselves; for it was now inevitable that with the horizon of their ability to comprehend firmly bound to earthly matters through the intellect, and thus narrowly limited, they could no longer “understand” all that is ethereal, which does not know the earthly concept either of time or of space.
Thus the experiences and visions of the intuitively-perceptive men, as well as the misunderstood traditions, became “fairy tales” to the intellectual men. The ever-increasing number of materialists, that is, those who are only able to acknowledge coarse matter bound to earthly time and space, finally ridiculed the idealists to whom, through their much deeper and more expansive inner life, the way to the Ethereal World was not yet quite barred; they called them dreamers, if not fools or even impostors.
All this was a long-lasting period of development, comprising millions of years.
But now at last we are very near the hour when the next great epoch in Creation sets in, which is unconditional upward-swinging, and brings what the first epoch with the coming into existence of man should already have brought: the birth of the spiritualised complete man! Of the man who has a furthering and ennobling effect on the whole of Gross Material Creation, which is the real purpose of man on earth.
Then there will be no more room for the oppressive materialist, chained solely to earthly conceptions of time and space. He will be a stranger in every country, homeless. He will wither away and perish like chaff that separates from the wheat. Take care that in this separation you are not found too light!

What I am about to post consists of both the spiritual and the physical. That is, the journey of man from the Kingdom of God as unconscious spirit seed to the gross material earth for the purpose of developing himself through experiencing to consciousness and maturity.
Anyone, especially the questioner who wishes to be cleared in this matter should read closely with his or her intuition and not with the intellect in order to grasp the knowledge he or she so desires.

it's funny and sad reading all the comments here. I will start mine with these words of Christ.
(1) My people perish for lack of knowledge!
What's all this assumptions for? Are you guys trying to tell us that the simple meaning of Christianity is lack of understanding? This is not God's will for His people. It is the will of God that His people know everything under the sun.
This bible we read today, the words in it were addressed to the people of old according to their level of understanding. They were not spiritually mature to grasp everything. Christ Himself proved this when He said to His disciples in John16:12-15 thus: I have yet many things to say to you, but ye cannot bear them now. Howbeit, when He, the Spirit of Truth is come, He shall guide you into all truth and show you more things to come...
Many of you may persist in thinking that this promise was fulfilled on the day of pentecost, it is wrong.
After the incidence on the day of pentecost, many years later Paul said to the Corinthians thus: For we know and prophecy in part, but when that which is perfect is come, that which is in part shall be done away with.
This was to confirm to the people that the promise of Jesus was not fulfilled in the incidence which occurred on the day of pentecost.
The story of Adam and Eve is nothing but an allegoric one serves to convey the knowledge of the development of Creation to us. It is wrong to interpret it in an earthly sense. Neither Adam nor Eve had ever been on earth. it's like a picture pointing us to something.
Shortly I will come up with something that will really help in knowing the truth of what really happened. To those who closed themselves exclusively to the bible as the only word of God, accept my sympathy in advance.

All rubbish! isn't there freedom of movement any more?

Ignorant comments all over! Instead of weeping for yourselves you are weeping for the departed. Is any of you aware of what fate stares at you in the next few minutes, hours or days? When it is said "the things you do today will hunt you tomorrow", no one pays attention nor find their meaning. You ridicule those who speak of karma. Who amongst you here think God is so unjust as to allow one suffer a fate he or she do not duly deserve? There is a special day well designed and assigned for each individual even before his or her birth. The Universe is under going a very great event where those who don't belong here must be eliminated through natural or man-made disaster. The long predicted Millennium is around the corner and not everyone is to witness It. Take care that you are not found unworthy of witnessing the coming Paradise of God on earth.

enoqueen:
what Jonathan will cause in the country eee.

U must be a scum for mentioning Jonathan here

That should be a mere resemblance o cos that guy wey look so much like my course mate back then in Unical so... Make e no be ooo

Babacele:
This is a public debate and we shall try to limit our discussion to what are verifiable by lovers of truth since Jesus is a very popular public figure highly revered by billions of people worlwide

Even Jesus Himself would demand: "Seek and ye shall find!" we don't exert ourselves to convince or entertain doubters neither did Christ concern Himself with such. An attempt to do so might mean casting pearl before swine.

Babacele:
"the whole history is well kept" by who n what persons n organizations? Let us discuss them so that folks can learn. it is a challenge please.

I wanna believe that u are enlightened ryt? We should discuss it here for folks to learn? Why is the Rosicrucian Order not thrown on the streets for anyone to dabble in and obtain knowledge? My friend, knowledge isn't completely free nor gotten in a platter of gold. Don't encourage spiritual indolence rather, encourage people to bestir themselves and seek personally.
Every record of events from the beginning of Creation till date is intact. TIME lost nothing! Travel into TIME and obtain any, I mean any knowledge or history that u so desire.
Am sure you are having ur own personal experiences and not depending on others' thought out opinions? What blesses one may harm another. Hope u know that? There's one statement of ur Order I luv so much. "The journey into self!"
Travel safely my brother

Babacele:
"the whole history is well kept" by who n what persons n organizations? Let us discuss them so that folks can learn. it is a challenge please.

I wanna believe that u are enlightened ryt? We should discuss it here for folks to learn? Why is the Rosicrucian Order not thrown on the streets for anyone to dabble in and obtain knowledge? My friend, knowledge isn't completely free gotten in a platter of gold.
Every record or events from the beginning of Creation till date is intact. TIME lost nothing! Travel into TIME and obtain any, I mean any knowledge of history that u so desire.
Am sure you are having ur own personal experiences and depending on others' thought out opinions? What blesses one may harm another. Hope u know that? There's one statement of ur Order I luv so much. "The journey into self!"
Travel safely my brother

Babacele:
Do you really know Jesus, his history, his pa n his afilliations, do you know? When the little Jesus was taken to Egypt ,when did he come back? why was so many gaps in the history of the most important personality in Christianity? and so many you can never answer . such information are well kept by those know him before birth and not biased religious sentiments that seem to appropriate n diminish Jesus the Christ.

I'm not affiliated to any religion ok! Yes Jesus spent much of His earth life in Egypt, the whole history of event is well kept and I will tell you that the real father of Jesus isn't whom Christianity proclaims. If you'd read my previous comment very clearly, I will still tell you that neither the Rosicrucian Order nor Freemasonry as they both claim gave Christ what He offered to humanity! What are all this claims for? Christianity has succeeded painting a whole false picture of Him, accusing Him of violating the Laws of God through arbitrary actions which they call miracles which Christ Could not have done nor did He do it. Why is so much attention paid to His personality instead of His mission? The Truth is already staring mercilessly at all earthmen and I am sure that after the currently ongoing world event, the bandage will soon fall from everyone's eyes.

oluspencer:




I'm not taking u to court but waiting to defeat u on polls come march 28

Sorry to say this; this ur dream is a very dangerous nightmare. Wake up pls.

U pple should tell him to stop embarrassing Nigeria in international TV stations. How on earth would Buhari forget or probably don't know the name of his party, full meaning of INEC.
What's "All Progressive Company", Independent Nigerian Election Commission? I personally think this is a disgrace to a country that has millions of smart, intelligent and educated people.
I am also disappointed to know there are people who still think or believe that Buhari at this time can still win this election. Even the APC leadership is aware of this impossibility.
#SMH

Babacele:
What comes to my mind is that 1.AMORC gave Jesus the Christ to the world - by their fruit we shall know them?
2. The concept of one God was started by a member- an Egyptian Pharaoh.
3.Superior thinking n thought process because of a uncommon simplicity of presenting the original truths.
4. Love for truth, God and humanity.
5. Modern institutions we call schools, hospitals, democracy;
6. Unyielding respect for humanity especially women, ;and tolerance of others cultures,opinions, and philosophies.
7. light, peace,love, service , church ;
8. For advancing truths that have survived time; be it in mysticsm, science or the arts.etc come to my mind.
Being a member will be an ultimate privilege to me. May God help me.

I am forced to disagree with u at some points. Jesus was not given to humanity on earth by any earthly organisations! Forget all the claims. It is also wrong to view Him as human being because He took up the gross material cloak upon Himself in order to bring enlightenment to erring mankind who were lost in their self created Darkness. If u are truly enlightened u should know the origin of man and that of Jesus, and the great difference which lie in both Species and Consistency. The coming of Jesus was a process of Radiation from the Height of Divine Unsubstantiality. In otherwords, Jesus while on earth bore Divinity which no man can make claims of except he chooses to delude himself. Man only bears a spark of the Spirit and issued from Spiritual Substantiality. In accordance with the Laws, anyone coming into the World of Matter irrespective of his origin must have a bandage placed on his eyes until at a certain age of maturity where he or she may remove the bandage at will or choice through inner stirring. This process was no difference with Jesus! With the baptism of John, the bandage fell. With the temptation of the so called Satan, His mission was firmly anchored in the World of Matter. He may have been associated with any earthly organisation before His full consciousness of His mission but that doesn't mean the organisation gave Him what He then offered to humanity. He Himself was and remains what He gave to humanity although all have been distorted and misinterpreted. With the expression "Word Incarnate" any human spirit should sense or perceive His Personality and what He stood and still stands for. Neither did He take away or condemned the Truth in all already existed organisations. He was and remains the Truth Him and came solely to give us Himself in the Word. Not to get Himself killed as Christians assert.