Martinez19:
lucky you bro. At least you started early but I started at 20 as an atheist. Wasted my teenage years reading and memorising the bible, couldn't date my dream girl because of church doctrines and being too spiritual. If only I had sat down earlier to think. All I needed was to sit down and think. It is well bro, seeing the world as it is and knowing the truth brings freedom.

Amberon11:
I'm really proud about what Nigerian gospel artists are doing. I'm yet to see a Nigerian secular artist perform or compose a song half as beautiful as sinach or Nathaniel Bassey's songs.

Pangolo one chance musicians.

superhumanist:



Freethinking is the right approach to personal enlightenment.

superhumanist:



Shows how much brainwashing and indoctrination you have received. Must every organized group meeting be a church or worship?

Keep exposing yourself

superhumanist:
The path of the righteous is difficult and lonely.

It is normal to feel loneliness when you are different or in the minority.

This is why group meetings or associations are important.

stephendamsoho:


Your evidence I'm joe4christ is your digging through my profile to see I haven't posted in 5 months? there's got to be some concrete evidence you can get, you're not digging hard enough Mr Liar. There's got to be more, get back to work and get more screenshots

superhumanist:
The path of the righteous is difficult and lonely.

It is normal to feel loneliness when you are different or in the minority.

This is why group meetings or associations are important.

stephendamsoho:


This liar has carried out a desperate form of investigation in order to get something on me. I never knew my exposing your lies and seeing you embarrass yourself would have such a terrible effect on your psyche

So after running out of lies you clicked my monicker, saw I posted last on October 2017, registered in 2015, made 179 posts and I made my first post since Oct on this thread? you even found it relevant to take a screenshot and attach it? very useful info you've got. tell us more detective

stephendamsoho:


No more lies to trot out? don't disappoint me, tell more lies

list of lies you've told from just the last few (4 or 5) posts of yours here

a. Joe4christ is using his monicker to deceive people

b. Stephendamsoho quoted you directly

c. Stephendamsoho is joe4christ (its a suspicion so I give you that one)

come on, there's got to be more lies you can throw around. did the lying spirit God sent to your fingers run out of ideas

stephendamsoho:

I put an information out there, I didn't offer YOU any. you'd also do well to take your own advice as you were the first to quote me directly when I neither quoted nor mentioned you. you even lied that I quoted you directly but your not doubling down on that lie is an improvement

stephendamsoho:


@bold I didn't quote you directly, check again and stop seeing things that aren't there

I've argued with joe4christ in the past but Maybe I'm him. Maybe I login as joe4christ, argue with Stephendamsoho, logout then login as Stephendamsoho to argue with joe4christ.

stephendamsoho:

I didn't quote you, I put something out there.
"just putting that out there" means Just mentioning something in case anyone might want to know. You accused him of using his monicker to deceive people and I clarified that's not the intention behind his monicker
I see no reason for the barrage that followed my post or are you still adamant he's using his monicker to deceive people?

stephendamsoho:


[s]Excuse me sir, what has this got to do with the post you quoted?[/s]

stephendamsoho:
Joe4christ isn't using his monicker to deceive people. He was a Christian and argued for Christianity a lot before losing his faith and becoming an atheist(?)

Just putting this out there

Anyone who puts a hand to the plow and then looks back is not fit for the Kingdom of God.

joe4christ:


Hahahahahahaha you really should not have attempted answering this question. Cos now your mind just degenerated by 75%

This shows the length people can go to defend their doctrines and their "God" - they will twist truth, lies, myth, fictions and imaginations just to promote and protect their belief as their whole life depends on it's balance. Its quite psychological.

I really don't envy you mehn!

Emmanystone:
I want to sincerely thank Butterfly1on, Muttleylaff, OkCornel and the rest of other Christian brethren for their patience in once again showcasing the dubiousness, lies,and the wrong intentional attempts of satan via his agents in this forum to present the Word of God as contradictory and lies when it is not. Once again, shame on satan.

You brethren just fulfilled this scripture;
Good News Translation 1 Peter 3:15
'But have reverence for Christ in your hearts, and honor him as Lord. Be ready at all times to answer anyone who asks you to explain the hope you have in you,'.

SO, I ASK;

Where are the wise atheists of Nairaland? where are the intellectuals? where are the disputer of the word of God? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?
1 Corinthians:1:20

I SAY, HE HAS.

You all just shut satan through his agents up. Every so called contradiction turned out a misrepresentation by satan.

Emmanystone:

Now i see why Butterfly1ion said this is painful. With all they have been patiently explaining to you, you just run them. Chai.

Gggg102:



so how do we as Christians determine what is right and what is wrong without the law?

(how do we know that homosexuality is good or bad, stealing is good or bad, fornication is good or bad without the mosaic law, without the letter of St. Paul and the apostles where they told us what what was good/bad. how do we differentiate between good and evil without the Bible in general?)

Gggg102:


ohhh it's getting clearer now.


without the law, good people won't still kill, become homosexual, ...

law was for bad people
good people were good without the law

Gggg102:



so some old testament laws are still relevant in new testament.

The law cannot make man love God. Laws bring sin. I repeat, laws bring sin. Where there is no law there is no sin. The fulfilment of the law in Christ removed the power of sin in the law for as many as are in Christ Jesus.

The law will remain for those who still wish to follow it as a sign that they cannot be saved based on the Law

G NT
1 Timothy 1:9-10

It must be remembered, of course, that laws are made, not for good people, but for lawbreakers and criminals, for the godless and sinful,

for those who are not religious or spiritual, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers, for the immoral, for sexual perverts (homosexuals), for kidnappers, for those who lie and give false testimony or who do anything else contrary to sound doctrine.

Gggg102:



follow up question.

what might be good to you may be bad to me.


is homosexuality evil?
there are people who believe it isn't bad.

if it is, how do you know?

Romans 6 from verse 1


1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound? 2 Certainly not! How shall we who died to sin live any longer in it? 3 Or do you not know that as many of us as were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into His death? 4 Therefore we were buried with Him through baptism into death, that just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

5 For if we have been united together in the likeness of His death, certainly we also shall be in the likeness of His resurrection, 6 knowing this, that our old man was crucified with Him, that the body of sin might be done away with, that we should no longer be slaves of sin. 7 For he who has died has been freed from sin. 8 Now if we died with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with Him, 9 knowing that Christ, having been raised from the dead, dies no more. Death no longer has dominion over Him. 10 For the death that He died, He died to sin once for all; but the life that He lives, He lives to God. 11 Likewise you also, reckon yourselves to be dead indeed to sin, but alive to God in Christ Jesus our Lord.

12 Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body, that you should obey it in its lusts. 13 And do not present your members as instruments of unrighteousness to sin, but present yourselves to God as being alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness to God. 14 For sin shall not have dominion over you, for you are not under law but under grace.

15 What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? Certainly not! 16 Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves slaves to obey, you are that one’s slaves whom you obey, whether of sin leading to death, or of obedience leading to righteousness? 17 But God be thanked that though you were slaves of sin, yet you obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine to which you were delivered. 18 And having been set free from sin, you became slaves of righteousness. 19 I speak in human terms because of the weakness of your flesh. For just as you presented your members as slaves of uncleanness, and of lawlessness leading to more lawlessness, so now present your members as slaves of righteousness for holiness.

20 For when you were slaves of sin, you were free in regard to righteousness. 21 What fruit did you have then in the things of which you are now ashamed? For the end of those things is death. 22 But now having been set free from sin, and having become slaves of God, you have your fruit to holiness, and the end, everlasting life. 23 For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord

Gggg102:



then you made me realize that my previously held view about homosexuality was wrong.

you made me realize that Christians are not bound by the law of Moses.

Gggg102:


okcornel: Christianity and Judaism are like oil and water. they are distinct... they cannot mix...

that led to our back and forth that led to old law, new covenant till we got here.

Gggg102:




really.
OK try this for size

okcornel: God told Israelites to kill people not Christians, so it does not apply to Christians.

Gggg102:so what you are saying is that since God told Israelites to do stuff/does stuff with the Israelites but not Christians, then it does not apply to Christians.


...

Gggg102:




is that not the inference of okcornel's post.


yes or no

since God asked the Israelites to do stuff but not Christians, it doesn't apply to Christians.

Gggg102:


...


butterfly1on

since God was not dealing with Christians in old testament but with Israelites, it does not apply to Christians.


every action of God in old testament does not apply to Christians.

Gggg102:



how is homosexuality a sin?

lemme answer for you

because it was against the law of Moses which we are no longer under.
the same way eating unclean animals, mixing of threads, cross breeding of cattle, putting tassels on your clothes, planting different crops on the same field... were sins but we as Christians can do all these since we are no longer under the law.

Gggg102:
also since the old testament is distinct from Christianity, Christians should no longer praise the deeds of David and Moses and Joshua...

they can't acknowledge the deeds of God in the old testament.

since what God did in old testament is inconsequential to Christians

and according to Okcornel, what God asked the Israelites to do is unrelated and has no effect on Christians.

Gggg102:



your facepalms are useless now.

you now agree that you can't condemn Homosexuality, bestiality... since you are not under the law. maybe you should tell your pastors.


okcornel you are the only one left now

why don't you show how homosexuality(which can't be condemned since Christians are not under the law) is evil

1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound? 2 Certainly not! How shall we who died to sin live any longer in it? 3 Or do you not know that as many of us as were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into His death? 4 Therefore we were buried with Him through baptism into death, that just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

5 For if we have been united together in the likeness of His death, certainly we also shall be in the likeness of His resurrection, 6 knowing this, that our old man was crucified with Him, that the body of sin might be done away with, that we should no longer be slaves of sin. 7 For he who has died has been freed from sin. 8 Now if we died with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with Him, 9 knowing that Christ, having been raised from the dead, dies no more. Death no longer has dominion over Him. 10 For the death that He died, He died to sin once for all; but the life that He lives, He lives to God. 11 Likewise you also, reckon yourselves to be dead indeed to sin, but alive to God in Christ Jesus our Lord.

12 Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body, that you should obey it in its lusts. 13 And do not present your members as instruments of unrighteousness to sin, but present yourselves to God as being alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness to God. 14 For sin shall not have dominion over you, for you are not under law but under grace.

15 What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? Certainly not! 16 Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves slaves to obey, you are that one’s slaves whom you obey, whether of sin leading to death, or of obedience leading to righteousness? 17 But God be thanked that though you were slaves of sin, yet you obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine to which you were delivered. 18 And having been set free from sin, you became slaves of righteousness. 19 I speak in human terms because of the weakness of your flesh. For just as you presented your members as slaves of uncleanness, and of lawlessness leading to more lawlessness, so now present your members as slaves of righteousness for holiness.

20 For when you were slaves of sin, you were free in regard to righteousness. 21 What fruit did you have then in the things of which you are now ashamed? For the end of those things is death. 22 But now having been set free from sin, and having become slaves of God, you have your fruit to holiness, and the end, everlasting life. 23 For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord

Gggg102:



you see, butterfly1on, okcornel

law of homosexuality, bestiality... is not binding on Christians. because Christians are not bound by the law.
except you want to say half of the law is binding

All things are lawful unto me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought under the power of any