i guess Logicboy is outta bidness then huh

lagerwhenindoubt:

Reminds me of my Pastor Oga, always uses scripture to deny you benefits of his begin in a position to actually work those benefits in your favor

wayo man

PAGAN 9JA:
in the "deep labyrinth of my heart", jesus was a fraud, attention-seeker, magician/illusionist, great orator & public speaker, storyteller, traitor, lair,trouble-maker and self-centred person. of unknown gender.

sounds like Jesus was not one of your favorite people then

Delafruita: buzugee's favourite topic.just wait a while,he'd soon bombard you with all the information you need

funny guy.

Ubenedictus: I can also relate to this, dear buzugee i dont think ur position is different from that of anony except in d 'purification' aspect. a little problem, it seems u didnt mention d 'favor' God did by calling and converting them. do u mean they will be purified by trial before death or do u mean after?
Peace

sup Field Marshall Ubenedictus. Wetin una chop remain . oh yeah the favor is the grace. favor = grace . they will be purified before death. only way you getting purified is when you can feel pain, which is in a body, which is on earth. when your body feels pain, your soul feel pain and gets humbled. without a body ? your soul is at rest. so you get purified by trial before physical death. however part of the trial is, or can be spiritual death. the lord can kill you spiritually and keep you in spiritual darkness while you are alive.

Mr_Anony: 13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.
14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.
15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.
1Cor 3:13-15

Basically, The question presented here is if we are saved by God's grace, why then are our works tested at all. Why are we rewarded for works too. Shouldn't grace just be the common denominator irrespective of works?

My offhanded explanation is that God is madly in love with us so that even after He gives us grace we don't deserve, He rewards us for works on top.
Crazy Crazy Love by a Crazy Crazy God. God is just too much.

(blasphemy alert: please note that 'crazy' here is used in a good way)

Now that I have shown my excitement, let us now seriously use the scripture to ponder over it. I await your insights on the matter.

P/s: The Bible is the final authority on this Issue.

you err Chief Anony, you err. The bolded part sounds like something a tree hugging hippy will say. anyway so what is grace ? grace means 'favor'. meaning God is doing us a favor by saving us. why will he be doing us a favor ? simply because no human being is so perfect as to not require favor to be saved. dunno bout you but i have never met a perfect mortal before. without favor not one single soul will be saved. so see 'favor' as the shoe in the door. however in the midst of this favor being shown, there will be people who are more righteous and dedicated than others. some people actually divorce themselves from their worldly lives and become soul winners for christ ( a good example will be paul ). favors will be shown to this kind of people. what is the favor being talked about ? the favor is the reward at the end. the reward for these kind of souls is that in the kingdom of christ to be established on earth, they will be the rulers and will have authority over all the nations REVELATION 2 VS 26[b] And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations. 'He will rule them with an iron scepter; shattering them like clay pots.'[/b] this is the reward and favor that will be shown to the upright.

however to the ones who still continue in sin and do not grow as children of God, he shall be chastised by fire. the fire of spiritual blindness and repercussions.( galatians 6 vs 7 ) ( lamentations 1 vs 14 ) ( romans 11 vs 7 ). and because of going through the fire he will be saved eventually ( romans 11 vs 25 and 26 ). however when he is saved eventually, he will not recieve the rewards of being the ruling class in the lords kingdom on earth but he will be in the kingdom because he has been purified by fire ( fire is not literal. it means affliction ) although having said that, some will be purified in actual real fire.

O_D_B:

get unplugged from the matrix. there is a life out there

not where am at. everyone stays indoors. at 6 pm there is no soul on the street but cats.

O_D_B:

because you are a phucking loser with no life

this is 2012. life is online. its a virtual world. you aint heard ?

O_D_B: weed (only at night helps with my insomania)
beer (cos all work and no brew makes this Jack a crazy Jack a33)
ciggerates (phucking cancer sticks can't quit it and I hate em)
coffee (for hangover purposes only)
women(like pringles, when you pop you can't stop)

are you for real ?

well dayummmmmmm

http://www.lindaikeji..co.uk/2012/08/how-my-driver-ran-away-with-my-camry.html#more

mkmyers45:

This early morning?

lol you must be in iraq. its afternoon in the saner parts of the world

frosbel: Not a surprise, no Muslim commenting, it must be getting too embarrassing I guess !!

i believe they have their own section now

mkmyers45: Entropy: the ability of the universe to follow a path to lowest energy with maximum complexity. The implication that things start simple and end up more chaotic and disorganised. There are several examples, life being one of the classic ones that superficially seem to contradict this law, but in retrospect obeys it completely. The long and the short of it is simply that not enough time has passed to make something as complicated and complex as a god. The universe may eventually form an intelligence of omnipotent power but we have many billions of years to go to get there.

Entropy implies we started simply ie low information (no where near enough for the hypothetical religious entities eg gods, that so many describe on this forum) when in fact the universe gets more complex and in the process handles more information. Religion implies the reverse of this law and is therefore totally false.

Let's Discuss.

entropy ko atrophy ni

diluminati:
thank gosh i didnt put my pic here, you would have splashed your fluids all over it in fury. Pls go get a gf,im not interested.

jayriginal:

Ok boss.

i didnt make the rules Sir. i just play by them. am just a squirrel tryna get a nut.

Logic Mind:

what if the man wanted to buy the latest sports car instead, should the woman submit?

well if the man wants to buy the latest sports cars then he is not a man of God. scripture says he who loves his life will loose it. he who loves the world does not love me. scripture says submit to your men only if they are men of God. so if he is not a man of God then she does not have to submit to him.

thats a case of the blind leading the blind.

jayriginal:

Even the so called "final say" is bad enough isn't it? In your example, it is simple things you are talking about. When the issues become critical and the woman who may have the sounder position is overridden, what then ?



Submission may be good and bad. There are instances where it is good. Leadership for example would not work if there were no subjects.

I do not see how love comes into this. It is clearly a sentiment and sentiments are known to affect objectivity.
The fact that you are full of love does not make you a reasonable person.

Husbands ----------> Love your wives
Wives -------------> Submit to your husbands

In other words, in a marriage, one person has the final say. The scales are tilted in one way and the determining factor is gender.

How is that right ?

the man is over the woman. opari. its biblical. cant say more than that.

Logic Mind:

Hehehe. The scripture even thought you lot how to retreat in face hard hitting atheists. lol.
soldiers of christ on the run. I thought it was individual traits of certain people. Thanks for confirming that it is actually part of your holy scripture.

matthew 10 vs 14 If anyone will not welcome you or listen to your words, shake the dust off your feet when you leave that home or town.

its scriptural. we aint supposed to be casting our pearls before swines.

jayriginal:

You've taken a detour.

The issue is why you think that the fact that someone should be subject to another simply based on gender isnt sexist.


As for humility, let me address it one last time.

One can be said to be good if the person had the choice to be bad.
Your example does not work because the woman has no choice in the matter. If she is married under biblical standards, she is forced whether she likes it or not to be subject to the man.
She would be "humble" (not even sure if that word is appropriate in this context) if she made a decision to subject herself.

i think you are confusing 'being a chauvinistic caveman' with bilical subjection to your husband. husband is supposed to love his wife and vice versa. they are both partners in the relationship and should treat each other with mutual respect. all of what i just said is scriptural. however the man has the final say in crucial decisions. like for example ' we have 20,000 pounds in our savings account and we just gave birth to a son. the womans natural instincts is to start buying baby clothes with all the money. she buys 400 pounds baby shoes etc etc. all emotional driven. if a man lets a woman lead the house she will drive them into bankruptcy. in this situation the man makes decisions like noooooooooo hunny we are buying the cheapest baby clothes because kids grow fast' etc etc etc. thats what it means when it says the woman should be subject to her husband. its not talking about chauvinism. scripture says ' husbands love your wives'

Logic Mind:

do you read the bible as you read my responses? no wonder your answers here show a lack of full understanding of the holy scriptures of our everlasting confused god.

quite frankly i dont pay full attention to your responses because i know it will be full of the usual atheist mumbo jumbo. i look at the first few words and then quickly respond. see, you are a professional scoffer. someone to be toyed with when i am bored in actuality scripture says when someone is not of the lord after trying to preach to them, you should shake the dust off your shoes and depart from their presence forever. see thats what i need to do biblically, but then i would miss out on all the fun in the forum seeing as it is laden with atheists. as such, i may read a few lines and respond nonchalantly. or i may just be in the mood for a full on debate in which case i would read it judiciously and respond.

the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life. john 6 vs 63

words in the bible are spirit. the spirit of christ.

the words syncing with my spirit and bearing witness that i am a child of God

romans 8 vs 16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:

Logic Mind:

wriggling out like a snake

i dont have to wriggle out. i am a master of the bible, thanks to the lords mercies and graces who synced my spirit with christs spirit which is the words in the bible. whatever you throw at me, i got at least 5 answers and biblical verses for.

MacDaddy01:



Your bible stinks of Darwinian ideology. Survival of the fittest. The irony

not survival of the fittest. more like 'whomever desires it most gets it'

Logic Mind:

so jesus rising from dead after 3 days is a metaphoric statement? Didn't really happen?
Ewoo. No wonder other christians run away from you.

like i said earlier, you are trying to build a case on 'needle in a haystack' scenarios. that makes you a man with paucity of intelligence.
i didnt go through your whole list. i saw the usual 'talking snake' bollocks and i quickly dismissed the list and made my reply. however most of what you put up there are metaphoric phrases.

Logic Mind:

Says a lot about your intelligence in building a concrete case on things that NEVER occur:
-virgin birth
-resurrection from death
-every living creature in one ship for 40 days
-walking snakes
-talking snakes
-talking donkeys
-rising to heaven
-few loaves and fish feeding thousands with leftovers
-water turning to wine
etc.

all those are metaphoric statements. thats why you need the intelligence of God to be able to decode scripture. the scripture is written in parables so that only those who seek will find. you dont literally read the bible.

Mr_Anony:
No I didn't mean it as if I don't agree with the scripture you quoted (I do), I simply didn't want to be held responsible for your interpretation of scripture.

i didnt interpret nothing though. the scripture pretty much interpreted itself. anyway its all good

Mr_Anony:
lol, why should I be responsible for buzugees ideas. I believe men and women are one in Christ. I also believe that the wife should submit to her husband. I don't regard a wife submitting to her husband as being sexist.

not my ideas. you see its all biblical. line upon line precept upon precept here a little there a little. Gods ideas not mine. not once did i put my opinion. i simply linked up biblical verses

Logic Mind:

a religionist wants to use the "norm" in place of the "abstract".

don't get me started.

the normal order of things. what you quoted were 'freaks of nature'. one in a million. needle in a haystack. i am sure an intelligent fellow like yourself will not try to build a concrete case on something that rarely occurs. and if you do, then i may have to call your intelligence into question.

jayriginal:

So one would be an anti-christ if he holds a woman to be equal to a man ?

yes you will be an antichrist if you hold a woman to be equal to a man.

1 corinthians 11 vs 3[b] Now I want you to realize that the head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman is man, and the head of Christ is God.[/b]

1 john 2 vs 22[b] Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.[/b]

YOU DENY THE FATHER AND THE SON BY YOUR DEEDS WHEN YOU SAY A WOMAN AND A MAN ARE EQUAL.

TITUS 1 VS 16[b] They claim to know God, but by their actions they deny him.[/b]

when you deny God N Christ by your actions and mouth, you are an antichrist. God and christ have established an order which if you go against makes you an antichrist. this is the order >>>>> Now I want you to realize that the head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman is man, and the head of Christ is God. 1 corinthians 11 vs 3

Logic Mind:

When was the last time you went to Africa?


You should visit some lesbian bars.


Pay a visit to Portugal


Depends


Serena Williams vs Buhari. I know who I'd run to.


Not necessarily. You see, contraceptive pills can do wonders. Science is always one step ahead.

the norm not abstracts. 'NORM' being the operative word

is christianity destroying our culture ? what culture ? your culture is crap. you worship voodoo and sleep with each others spouses and are money obsessed materialists. is this your culture ? your culture is crap so if christianity is destroying it then i say thats good. however christianity as a religion itself is crap so i guess two craps are cancelling each other out. negative eradicating negative.