Empiree:
Acts 9:3-7
King James Version

3 And as he journeyed, he came near Damascus: and suddenly there shined round about him a light from heaven:

4 And he fell to the earth, and heard a voice saying unto him, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me?

5 And he said, Who art thou, Lord? And the Lord said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest: it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.

6 And he trembling and astonished said, Lord, what wilt thou have me to do? And the Lord said unto him, Arise, and go into the city, and it shall be told thee what thou must do.

7 And the men which journeyed with him stood speechless, hearing a voice, but seeing no man.

This a reported speech from Paul to luke




Acts 22:6-9 King James Version

6 And it came to pass, that, as I made my journey, and was come nigh unto Damascus about noon, suddenly there shone from heaven a great light round about me.

7 And I fell unto the ground, and heard a voice saying unto me, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me?

8 And I answered, Who art thou, Lord? And he said unto me, I am Jesus of Nazareth, whom thou persecutest.

9 And they that were with me saw indeed the light, and were afraid; but they heard not the voice of him that spake to me.

This was a direct report from Paul when he was in court


If you read act 22 verse 1 to 9 you will understand it very well that they want to persecute him that was the reason why he lie that those who are with him didn't hear the voice. But when he get back home he narrate different story to luke

Paul wasn't the author of the book of Acts ,Luke is.

Luke was the one narrating in Acts 9......

in chapter 22......Paul was in front of a tribunal explaining himself and giving his own experience.....

So instead of lying to the court about his experience , he went on and lied only about the light and what he heard??..... can you see how you sound

You're just so so funny


Lol, Mr man Paul has faced far more and cruel persecutions with no fear.....so Your explanation holds no water

You're also not in the position to tell us ancient manuscripts were wrong

Paul was one of other apostles of Christ, stop trying to daint him, there's no where in the Bible that suggests Paul lied.....Thankia

He preached christ till he died

Empiree:
Version you use is a NLT or the like which means the bible was re-translated to fit thier understanding after so much criticisms and condemnation, especially that of KJV

This is what King James Bible says


And they that were with me saw indeed the light, and were afraid; but they heard not the voice of him that spake to me.


The men with me saw the light, but did not hear the voice of the one who was speaking to me. Good News Translation


And those who were with me saw indeed the light and were afraid, but they heard not the voice of Him that spoke to me. KJ21


And they that were with me beheld indeed the light, but they heard not the voice of him that spake to me. ASV


My traveling companions saw the light, but they didn’t hear the voice of the one who spoke to me. CED

to name a few

Lol There's nothing contradictory in those verses, it's only your lack of understanding that caused it...First you claimed Paul isn't a Jew, I shouldn't have taken you serious in the first place

The first is a narration from a third party(Luke) reporting what happened Acts 9. While in Acts 22 Paul was giving his own encounter about what he saw....

The original greek word (akouo) can used as both hear or understand depending on the context , they heard the voice but couldn't understand what was being said....

The voice they heard in 9:7 is in the genitive case with regard to those with Paul. In Acts 22:9, the “voice” they do not hear is in the accusative case. When the object of the verb “to hear” is in the accusative case, the sense of the verb is often “to hear with understanding.” 


Mathew 13:15 gave a perfect description of those verses

"For this people's heart has grown dull and with their ears they can barely hear (akouo) and their eyes they have closed, lest they should see with their eyes and hear (akouo) with their ears and understand (akouo) with their heart and turn, and I would heal them"

4 He fell to the ground and heard a voice say to him, “Saul, Saul, why do you persecute me?”.......Now, the Lord was speaking only to Paul.......Reason why they couldn't understand That which was being said

Lastly Paul's experience was a special and exclusive one....... The men who were traveling with him only saw the light but saw no one

Empiree:
Don't you understand my post?. I was pointing out contradictions in your Bible.

Did paul and his people hear voice or not?. I didn't say they heard the voice. I said your Bible says they heard voice and at the same time, the same Acts of Apostle said they did not hear voice. This is evidently contradicted lie by Paul. Next time try to read, digest, understand before you reply.

And if you don't know what to say I can understand that because no Christian in Nigeria has been able to answer it. It has put lots of pastors to shame for years including Adeboye and Oyedepo. The funniest one was the guy in ilorin who called himself pastor Al-maruf was shamelessly defeated with this question in 1999. If you want I can look for his clip and post it here

Lol, it's obvious you aren't intelligent and deceitful


where's the contradiction?? or you were drunk while reading the passages?

6 “Now get up and go into the city, and you will be told what you must do.”

7 The men traveling with Saul stood there speechless; they heard the sound but did not see anyone. 8 Saul got up from the ground, but when he opened his eyes he could see nothing. So they led him by the hand into Damascus.

8 “‘Who are you, Lord?’ I asked.

“ ‘I am Jesus of Nazareth, whom you are persecuting,’ he replied. 9 My companions saw the light, but they did not understand the voice of him who was speaking to me.

10 “‘What shall I do, Lord?’ I asked.

“ ‘Get up,’ the Lord said, ‘and go into Damascus. There you will be told all that you have been assigned to do.


You're really good at your lies , I posted the passages once again continue with your lies..... Naso you go dey run from pillar to post You go find am tire

You actually thought the Bible is like your confused Quran? the one that says something, forgets and says another thing in another verse....?

I have emboldened the line that's confusing you Oya come and show me the contradiction Empiree

Empiree:
we will keep dragging this forever. The question should be, where is your evidence that Jesus brought Christianity?.


Paul was not israelite. Paul was a lawyer and later travelled, learned about Jesus and deliberately changed his teachings as documented in your Bible (Hebrew 6:1).

He also lied in his act of apostle that he/companies heard God's voice Acts 9:7.

In another verse Acts 22:9 says that they heard no voice. The dude was a liar.

Empiree has really lost it You'll keep getting confused.....because you're looking for something that's not there, Thanks for the verse you posted

Acts 9:6-8

6 “Now get up and go into the city, and you will be told what you must do.”

7 The men traveling with Saul stood there speechless; they heard the sound but did not see anyone. 8 Saul got up from the ground, but when he opened his eyes he could see nothing. So they led him by the hand into Damascus.

But you claimed just now that they didn't hear any voice??

Keep exposing your ignorance

When a person isn't truthful, he/she would be looking for straws to hold on to just to prove a point and that's exactly what you're doing

You couldn't even answer my questions and still went to post passages you didn't read

who do you this thing?

Empiree:
we will keep dragging this forever. The question should be, where is your evidence that Jesus brought Christianity?.


Paul was not israelite. Paul was a lawyer and later travelled, learned about Jesus and deliberately changed his teachings as documented in your Bible (Hebrew 6:1).

He also lied in his act of apostle that he/companies heard God's voice Acts 9:7.

In another verse Acts 22:9 says that they heard no voice. The dude was a liar.

Acts 22:8-10


8 “‘Who are you, Lord?’ I asked.

“ ‘I am Jesus of Nazareth,whom you are persecuting,’ he replied.9 My companions saw the light, but they did not understand the voice of him who was speaking to me.

10 “‘What shall I do, Lord?’ I asked.

“ ‘Get up,’ the Lord said, ‘and go into Damascus. There you will be told all that you have been assigned to do.’

You don't know anything about the Bible but you won't stop embarrassing yourself

Where is it mentioned there that they didn't hear any voice?? it clearly says They did not understand the voice of who was speaking to Paul or You're on crack while reading the passage?

The thing is no matter how you try, You won't get anything Paul is better than your muhammed

Empiree:
we will keep dragging this forever. The question should be, where is your evidence that Jesus brought Christianity?.


Paul was not israelite. Paul was a lawyer and later travelled, learned about Jesus and deliberately changed his teachings as documented in your Bible (Hebrew 6:1).

He also lied in his act of apostle that he/companies heard God's voice Acts 9:7.

In another verse Acts 22:9 says that they heard no voice. The dude was a liar.

Lol, you made a claim and i asked you to prove it, you are instead suggesting how my question should be..... You funny ooo

Who's Paul? was he an apostle of Jesus Christ or not?

Where's it mentioned in the Bible that Paul created christianity?

You claim to know the Bible, so what does "Christian" mean

Does Jesus have a religion??

These are the questions I asked but instead of answering, you're dancing around

Hebrews 6:1-2

6 Therefore let us move beyond the elementary teachings about Christ and be taken forward to maturity, not laying again the foundation of repentance from acts that lead to death,and of faith in God, 2 instruction about cleansing rites,the laying on of hands, the resurrection of the dead, and eternal judgment.

You won't stop embarrassing yourself abi, You don't know the bible, but you won't lie low.....

Empiree:
what question?. That what did Paul do to us?. I have no problem with Paul. His problems are with God for deceiving Christians and created a new religion. He changed teachings and doctrines of Jesus and replaced with his. Go and read your Bible carefully

You should instead goan read the Bible To think you're doing this confidently is funny

I asked you who Paul is and you couldn't answer

Formed a new religion? Please show me from the Bible where Paul claimed he formed christianity......

Who's a Christian

It's so amusing that of all the apostles who wrote letters ,it's only Paul that you have problems with

I should instead be questioning muhammad for creating a religion in the 7th century out of his own personal convictions, a religion that's not in line with other Abrahamaic religions.....

Answer those questions and I'll take you serious

Praxis758:
Why do Muslims pick offence whenever mohammed or Allah is criticised?

Explanation pls....

They get offended when Mohamed is criticized not Allah, you can criticize allah and go Scott free, but Muhammad??

LoydJ:
Anything related to Islam is all about death's, and Killings I wonder if Prophet Mohammed justify this deadly act.

You're still wondering

Empiree:
Go and and read my posts very well again. Don't cover up for Mr. Paul.. Paul was chameleon.

Cover up for something that isn't even there, you need help if you think all those verses show Paul to be a liar..... I'm not surprised, anything is possible for una, understanding even hard for una....


You're yet to answer my questions, answer them and I'll take you serious

Empiree:
if he was, why do you follow Paul, a liar?. Christians follow Paul and his teachings not Jesus.

Where's the lie? you think the Bible is like your Quran?

Acts 23:6-8


Then Paul, knowing that some of them were Sadducees and the others Pharisees, called out in the Sanhedrin, “My brothers, I am a Pharisee,descended from Pharisees. I stand on trial because of the hope of the resurrection of the dead.” 7 When he said this, a dispute broke out between the Pharisees and the Sadducees, and the assembly was divided.8 (The Sadducees say that there is no resurrection,and that there are neither angels nor spirits, but the Pharisees believe all these things.)

Gosh, these guys can do anything to daint Paul

Wetin Paul do una, the same Paul that was better than your muhammed?

Empiree:
if he was, why do you follow Paul, a liar?. Christians follow Paul and his teachings not Jesus.

Here's Romans 3:6-8 that you shamelessly lied about

Certainly not! If that were so, how could God judge the world?7 Someone might argue, “If my falsehood enhances God’s truthfulness and so increases his glory, why am I still condemned as a sinner?” 8 Why not say—as some slanderously claim that we say—“Let us do evil that good may result”?Their condemnation is just!

LMAO , this guy is a clown asking why was Paul insisting that he wasn't lying ,Did the Pharisees and saducces agree with Jesus himself??

Empiree:
if he was, why do you follow Paul, a liar?. Christians follow Paul and his teachings not Jesus.

Now , you have shamelessly gone to quote passages from the Bible you know nothing about just like one of your brother I debated few days ago....

Now, show me from that Philippians 1 :18 were Paul encouraged Christians to lie or lied, I have also helped in bringing the verses here :

Philippians 1:15-18( the Bible has a flow, Paul was talking on those who proclaim Christ through good or bad Motives)

15 It is true that some preach Christ out of envy and rivalry, but others out of goodwill. 16 The latter do so out of love, knowing that I am put here for the defense of the gospel. 17 The former preach Christ out of selfish ambition, not sincerely, supposing that they can stir up trouble for me while I am in chains. 18 But what does it matter? The important thing is that in every way, whether from false motives or true, Christ is preached. And because of this I rejoice.

Empiree:
if he was, why do you follow Paul, a liar?. Christians follow Paul and his teachings not Jesus.

PerfectlyPerfect:

If there's nothing like middle belt, there's also nothing like south south

enilove:


Why would God permit prostitution at first and then change his mind ?
Was it not forbidden for the Israelites about 2300 years b4 Muhammad ?
Was Allah that forgetful ?

Allah is not your Creator , but an Arabian god of the ancestors of Muhammad.

Their allah is a god of abrogation , plus their god forgets what he says in one verse and says a different thing in another verse

Lol, The guy you're quoting doesn't even understand his own books and wants to talk about the Bible

anytime an embarrassing atrocity of Muhammad is mentioned, they run to the Bible to justify it and always get dissapointed

Charleys:
I'm sure if he was close to you he'll kill you to prove Muhammed right

drlateef:



You can continue to tell lies and refuse to learn and understand. No religious leader will say no matter the methods used he does not care. Yet you cannot understand what that means because it’s convenient for you to argue blindly. I will not reply you again. You just obey what Paul tells you. Your conscience will judge you.

It's not my fault you don't understand what you quoted, You claimed Paul encouraged Christians to lie to convert people to Christianity, I asked you where ,you ended up bringing up a verse you know nothing about, even when you were told to read the preceding verses to understand what Paul was saying.....Lol

My conscience wouldn't judge me ... Lol, at least Jesus met Paul and transformed him, He lived more better than Muhammad your prophet who lived on earth to fulfill his sexual desires, kill people lie and retain all the quraish pagan practices....

We're Christ's followers reason why we're called Christians, You can continue with your show of ignorance and show me where Paul said "whatever means use, whether good or bad"......it clearly says "whatever motives .....I'm ashamed of your open show of ignorance( I knew you were embarrassed but you couldn't just admit it ) and here you're proving me right about the verse Dr wrote "whatever method" and it wasn't written in the verse ,to think you're a doctor is an utter embarrassment

continue with your delusions, Follower of Muhammad's teachings.Your own muhammed killed those who didn't agree with him..

drlateef:



Now, let me come to kindergarten level for. What are the bad methods of converting people to Christianity? You answer that yourself.

What does motive mean It clearly says whatever motives, that's how it was used in that verse.... Lol

Now to help you, Read the verses 14,15,16,17, and 18...... I wouldn't spoon feed a DR

Stop twisting things to achieve your aim.....

No where did Paul encouraged Christians to lie to convert people to Christianity.... everything stems from your lack of understanding of the verse