Anyone here wants to sell used plastic chairs? Please holla.

Location: Lagos.

The case was a lawfare at it's best. They tried and tried and tried and manipulated till they can find him guilty of something. Guess what? The intensity picked just when he declared his intention to run!


How has America fallen this much?

This guy has to be the most unstable political jobber out there. What baffles me is how he shamelessly owns this tag.

But these Nigerian soldiers overrate themselves, honestly.

There's this air of superiority with them,and its delusional.

They seem to forget that the uniform, the respect, and all has nothing to do with them but the federal authority. They seem ignorant that this authority is for stewardship of the people and not this pseudo "superman" feeling.

Well,reality dawns on them individually at one point or another.

NairaMaster1:


Bro it's a season of pastorphobia. The way Nigerians hate pastor because the voluntary tithe and offering, if they hate politicians who have killed our futures Nigeria would have been a better place.

Even Islam that has turned Nigeria to golgotha via boko haram, fulani herdsmen and NW banditry are not hated by Nigerians like Christianity.

Lol. You observe it too.

It's not ordinary eyes. Never let them intimidate you for being a sane christian.

Lifemanage:

Wealthy people are already in their own heaven. Each to his own heaven. Ur hell is Ur suffering on earth

Leave Christian/Bible talk for Christians if your beliefs are alien to it. That's courtesy!

johnog4sure:


This fake pastor is here again, pastoring is not job, find real job, you have not replied me from the last conversation.


Christianity does not elevate acquiring material possessions, this is very evident in the gospels, all those names you listed are Jewish patriarchs, it has nothing to do with Christianity

You are a comedian.

I can't respond to you because I can't flow with you. You don't have any real knowledge. You're just hating!

But guess what? Jesus can deliver you if you'll submit yourself.

abdsamad:


Neither you nor the OP is wrong. You could have thanked him for trying to pass a good message, then make what he said better and more correct.

He wasn't wrong in drawing the conclusion that being rich makes it harder to get into the kingdom of heaven. He, however, made the mistake of confusing correlation with causation.
Like you rightly said, it's not being rich that makes heaven difficult, it's what comes with being rich.

Don't make assumption of people's intentions. Give them the benefit of doubt. If he is so ignorant, then your role is to correct them with kindness.

And God knows best

I should have been milder with my words I guess. But I assure you that some actually twist Bible to suit an agenda.

The key lesson in that Biblical portion is that even someone who isn't rich can put their trust in other things. The Bible speaks of those who trust in men. Some trust in evil powers. Some trust in their own strength.

The lesson there, I believe, isn't confined to financial or material riches, but in trusting in anything and letting it take the place of God.

jude33084:


These names you called were just like Dangote and Otedola of today,...they didnt use Church money.



Taking Church money to buy a jet worth $10m or more?

I don't know where you see those that "take church money" to buy jet. But those ministers I know with jet in Nigeria, the church bought it as an organisation. And it's for church ministry work.

Guess what, those whose monies are involved in the purchase are not complaining.

wale2020:


Have you taken time to follow the Confession of Benny Hinn for the past few years and one recently? If you have to use every gimmick(exact word of Benny Hinn) to extract money from believers, are you not trusting in money rather that God? Some of these pastors pay hugely to these foreign pastors just to tap there anounting, Pay for there hotel rooms not to be clean in order to tap there grace. Is that not the gospel of Simon Mongus(money for anointing)? Benny Hinn coursin said they needed those money to fund their expensive life style. A pastor in Nigeria said he was denied from seeing benny hinn in his hotel, but when he mentioned the money he brought(about $700,000), they gave him express permission. Most of these pastors in Nigera are using Pastor Hinn style or sometimes they invite him to do it for them and they split the spoil. I pray that they will all come to the knowledge of the Truth.

One way to serve God is not to build doctrine on men's experiences or "confessions." Benny Hinn's story is not God's Word. So you can't build on it as doctrine.

Now, the Bible teaches against greed, deceit, and covetousness. But the Bible doesn't say having money legitimately (without greed,deceit, and covetousness) is bad. I believe that should do.

soccerlite:



None of the Bible characters you mentioned are pastors

Compare them to Paul, Timothy, Stephen and others

And the op didn't say they will not, but "Hard" to make heaven, which is a fact

Like I said, that's not what the Bible teaches.

Bible teaches salvation by faith. The man who trusts in His riches would find it hard to find faith. Not the one who trusts in God.

The problem is not money. But the trust in it. It's the same way even someone who isn't rich trusts in some other system or another instead of God. That's the message. To trust God and not things. Not about having or not having riches.

That portion of scripture you quoted doesn't prove that God has a persona vendetta with wealthy people. Through scriptures, God had wealthy men.

Abraham, His friend, was wealthy.
Jacob was wealthy.
Joseph was wealthy.
David was wealthy.
Solomon was wealthy.
Job was wealthy.
Many many of God's people in the Old Testament were wealthy.

In the new testament, Joseph of Arimathea was wealthy.
Erastus was wealthy.
Barnabas was wealthy.
Many in the early church were rich!


Abusing a Bible verse to push a silly narrative would not suffice.

You can't build a doctrine on just one single passage, more so one single phrase which is misunderstood...



Mark 10:17-25
[17]And when he was gone forth into the way, there came one running, and kneeled to him, and asked him, Good Master, what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life?
[18]And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.
[19]Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Defraud not, Honour thy father and mother.
[20]And he answered and said unto him, Master, all these have I observed from my youth.
[21]Then Jesus beholding him loved him, and said unto him, One thing thou lackest: go thy way, sell whatsoever thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, take up the cross, and follow me.
[22]And he was sad at that saying, and went away grieved: for he had great possessions.
[23]And Jesus looked round about, and saith unto his disciples, How hardly shall they that have riches enter into the kingdom of God!
[24] And the disciples were astonished at his words. But Jesus answereth again, and saith unto them, Children, how hard is it for them that TRUST IN RICHES to enter into the kingdom of God!
[25]It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.



Apparently, the clarification here is what Mark supplies us. Jesus wasn't talking about the average rich man anywhere, but a rich man that trusts in His riches instead of trusting in God.

And that is a no-brainer. To trust in riches is to not trust in God. The Epistles also echo the same thought to rich Christians.

1 Timothy 6:17-18
[17]Charge them that are rich in this world, that they be not highminded, nor trust in uncertain riches, but in the living God, who giveth us richly all things to enjoy;
[18]That they do good, that they be rich in good works, ready to distribute, willing to communicate;


God is not against wealth. Wealth is a useful tool for His work on earth OBVIOUSLY. What is against God is to allow money to take God's place. That's what Jesus and His Apostles addressed.

shelve the OP's Bible confusion

rentAcock:
I rather get robbed checking on an abandoned crying baby than to ignore one thinking it's a robbery attempt. I don't care what anyone says, I will not allow thieves or terrorists stop me from having compassion towards another human being. But thanks for the heads up.

Well, context matters. Having a baby suddenly cry in front of your gate AT MIDNIGHT is suspicious. Even if it's not armed robbery, something will feel baity about it.

Nothing is wrong with checking on the baby too. But, if you must, be smarter than the lurking aggressor. Else, you and the baby may both be unsafe.

Arsenal can still win.

renythyly:
As with many or most growing teenagers, is that why you and your papa are making billions from church business?

You dey fear to start one? Abi them tie your hand to make billions too?

johnog4sure:

No mind the thief, I went to one of the best bible schools in this country, so I know all the tricks they teach these charlatans to use in deceiving people, my brother if you go bible school, you will weep for this country, its like a training ground to practice lying and deceiving people, many of these guys are either graduands or are serving one of their slave masters. I ready for them today make them mention me.

You are already calling names. Haba! Bible school graduate!!

I left you a response to your mention since o. Let's chat na. Let's discuss God's word!

johnog4sure:

You just ended up using those verses to further expose yourself:

1. Your first example Jesus did not ask(collect), they chose to minister(serve) him with their substance, they could have serve in any other way they choose.

They chose to serve him with their money abi. Who taught them abeg? Did Jesus teach giving? Did He teach His disciples to give?

Yiu shouldn't confuse yourself, my friend. Shelve your emotions. These folks followed Jesus. They gave to Him. He collected. It takes a collection for giving to happen. Shebi?

2. The purse was originally meant for the poor, Judas was even suspected to have ulterior motive, Jesus knew very well you cannot go about speaking grammar without giving to the poor, so the purse was there for the poor. Please recall they have a financier Luke and not the poor people they are ministering to.

You are just using your own sense to rationalize things here. A financier Luke where abeg??

3. here you quoted the bible and maliciously decided to give it your own meaning, the exact things Nigerian pastors do always. that verse clearly said for the feast and needy. You refuse to accept it, you said its for pastors because the money is much, I assume you were with Judas then.

I see you have a grouse with "Nigerian pastors." It makes sense why you're trying to cook out a point to suit you.

You have no scriptural basis. Yet you skip the contexts of the ones I posted here. No Biblical basis for Jesus giving money to the poor. See his theology on that:

John 12:4-8
[4]Then saith one of his disciples, Judas Iscariot, Simon's son, which should betray him,
[5]Why was not this ointment sold for three hundred pence, and given to the poor?
[6]This he said, not that he cared for the poor; but because he was a thief, and had the bag, and bare what was put therein.
[7]Then said Jesus, Let her alone: against the day of my burying hath she kept this.
[8]For the poor always ye have with you; but me ye have not always.

Jesus taught from place to place with twelve grown men. They ate. They bathed. They changed clothes. But they weren't working. They apparently needed money for their ministry.

That was what that giving of those who gave to Him is for. It is a Biblical order right from the old testament. The Priests who served solely in spiritual things lived by the givings of the congregation of Israel. That was the reasoning behind this:

1 Corinthians 9:13
[13]Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live of the things of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar?

4. Most of you pastors say God called you to work, God should pay you as his labourer or are you saying God is not faithful enough? The labourer the writer is refering to here is not just preachers, they include cleaners, masons, transporters etc. including those outside the church. But in Nigerian churches is only the GOs that swallow the money and still have the audacity to brag for being rich, right in front of those who donated the funds.

You are trying too hard to rewrite the Bible. And it's funny, but sad. It's funny because, you want your bias to be so true. It's sad because you're blinding your mind to the truth because if your aversion for "Nigerian pastors "

The labourer in 1Tim 5:18 are "elders" (church leaders) that "rule well" (lead church well). See verse 17. He says they deserve "double honour" (which is in reference to their wages). I'm sorry. But your bias or aversion doesn't change what's written.

It's similar to what you find in

Galatians 6:6
[6]Let him that is taught in the word communicate unto him that teacheth in all good things.

You could check other versions for clarity. It teaches giving to your pastor (the one that pastors you or teaches you God's word). Share all good things with them (money and material things inclusive).

That's why Paul asks:

1 Corinthians 9:11
[11]If we have sown unto you spiritual things, is it a great thing if we shall reap your carnal things?

Isn't this so clear, my friend?

Giving to your pastor isn't to enrich them or cheat yourself. It's to support the work they do. A church does well and the gospel prospers when we support the men God uses to lead the work. That's our part in the gospel.

Finally you repeated the same thing, read a bible verse then choose to maliciously interpret to suit you. God go punish those who add or remove from his word. Say Amen! if this is scriptural.

Amen.

I don't add to the Bible. Ask questions and I'll show you the context. If you may, read through the contexts of all I have shown you, you'd see that the message in them is clear.

Start by erasing your aversion for "pastors." You can't hate "Nigerian pastors" because you don't agree with some (or all). Start by knowing thats some of those "Nigerian pastors" are God sent.

LexngtonSteele:


Na you he dey pain.

I said pay your tithe and bring your wife. Stop sweating like a Christmas goat and answer your god.

be like e pepper you o. No vex my guy.

We go follow our pastor headlessly. We go pay our offerings and tithes.

You noise no go pass nairaland my guy. You no exist.

LexngtonSteele:


Lol. The extent to which you guys asslick Pastors always amaze me.

If you catch a Pastor mercilessly banging your wife / daughter on your matrimonial bed, I bet you would help to force her legs 🦵 open wider.

I have seen a lot of your posts defending the Pastors with every fibre of your being... your case is....if I say "hopeless", it will seem I am insulting you so I wouldn't say it.

I will soon become a Pastor. You must pay your tithes to me, I promise not to spare the rod for your wife if she's my specs.

I will part her thighs with my rod like Moses parted the Red Sea. Na your tithes I go use buy condoms and aphrodisiacs. Now shout "Hallelujah"

Why una wey no get church commitment dey like carry church issue for head sef?

You no dey follow pastor. Them no dey collect your offering or tithe. Why d matter dey pain you so?? no be juju be that

Desusi:

I love your contribution my brother. You're a star,God bless you.What further witnesses and references do will need? You have hammer the thread with powerful biblical references. If you do not take pains to dig out these now,everyone would be praising unlearned pastors whose God is their belly. If however the price of fuel would not come down,it means no more offering making Bible a liar?

Absolutely, Sir. Thank you. We stay with truth of the Bible always! Not the Godless comfort zone of the world

Psoul:


This a wholesome explanation.
Only a fo0l and haters of God and His servants will argue it.

Thank you! Some folks (supposed Christians) are hurt when giving is taught. It's almost bewildering.

folks4luv:

Collecting offerings is different from people donating, except you can provide a scripture where Offering was called or basket passed after Jesus preached or taught. Stay with what the bible says

Lol. You obviously aren't a Bible student.

Offering in churches simply means collection or giving. The origin of it is Bible giving and Bible's teaching on giving.

Whether they pass baskets or they give before or after teaching, what matters is that there's got to be a giving.

1 Corinthians 16:2
Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come.

Basket o. After preaching o. Before preaching o. Bible sha teaches devotion to giving to the local church and church leaders.

Toluwanise247:

Even devil can justify his actions… keep fooling people around, their eyes will fully open one day

What is the context of this insult? Are you hurt by the Bible scriptures or by what exactly?

Mariangeles:
Just so you know, Ola also means jewel in Igbo language. 💎

But why is olaniyi laughed at by igbos. What does it mean?

michlins:
offerings were never part of the Bible. The early apostles collected offerings so as to help the needy and cater for the full time workers in the church.

Right now, it's different. Pastors are now richer than the church and probably don't need the money again. So this is a step in the right direction to take off the burden from the members

No. The collections of the Bible church was not only for the needy. The assembly of God right from Deuteronomy has always take collections to cater for the general needs of the church and the needs of the ministers.

Jesus took offerings to fund His ministry.


Luke 8:1-3
[1]And it came to pass afterward, that he went throughout every city and village, preaching and shewing the glad tidings of the kingdom of God: and the twelve were with him,
[2]And certain women, which had been healed of evil spirits and infirmities, Mary called Magdalene, out of whom went seven devils,
[3]And Joanna the wife of Chuza Herod's steward, and Susanna, and many others, which ministered unto him of their substance.

You recall he had a treasurer in Judas who kept the funds?


John 12:4-6
[4]Then saith one of his disciples, Judas Iscariot, Simon's son, which should betray him,
[5]Why was not this ointment sold for three hundred pence, and given to the poor?
[6]This he said, not that he cared for the poor; but because he was a thief, and had the bag, and bare what was put therein.

John 13:29
[29]For some of them thought, because Judas had the bag, that Jesus had said unto him, Buy those things that we have need of against the feast; or, that he should give something to the poor.

The money was much, and it wasn't collection for the needy!

The Epistles teach giving well to pastors. It was a thing in the early church.


Galatians 6:6
[6]Let him that is taught in the word communicate unto him that teacheth in all good things.

1 Timothy 5:17-18
[17]Let the elders that rule well be counted worthy of double honour, especially they who labour in the word and doctrine.
[18]For the scripture saith, Thou shalt not muzzle the ox that treadeth out the corn. And, The labourer is worthy of his reward.

The welfare collection for the need of the church in Acts 5 and 6 was just an aspect of the need of the church emphasized there. Apparently, it's not the alpha and omega of Christian giving. The needs of the church could be anything: building needs, equipment, missionary journeys, church venue rent or maintenance, etc. These are the needs churches have today...

Malroux:
The east will be home to 90% Nigerians in the next ten years.

You people don't have to get tribal about this na.

I'm not sure the East is even home to 50% of easterners, talk of 50% of Nigerians. Easterners have to start by truly loving and developing their own home lands.

AbuAeesha:
The fully covered Muslim woman's beauty can/Should be assesed by those worthy enough (her husband)and not to lustful eyes around.
Get that right,it is simple!

How simple...

But a man's handsomeness can be assessed by all and sundry abi?