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Religion / Re: For Frosbel, Ijawkid And Other Non Trinitarians by deSika(m): 11:09pm On Jun 13, 2013

Boomark:

There is no alternative my brother. I can't give our humble God directives. what you are not seeing is that He is far greater than man and He knows the best for man to even use "Let us" instead of Saying go and do this and that because i know more than you. Do you get it now? So having the ability to reason is not the case.

the same thing goes to the "let us" during His creation. Jesus told us that He learns from what he sees the Father doing.

the thing is so simple i dont know why you cant see it. Why will God say let us make man in our image and then go on to say and God created man in his image . Our image - his image. How can 'his image' be equal to 'our image'. This is too loud for you not to hear it.

Religion / Re: For Frosbel, Ijawkid And Other Non Trinitarians by deSika(m): 10:53pm On Jun 13, 2013

truthislight:

lol. You have started speaking in tonques and contradicting yourself/lying.

The truth is, Jesus was a man, simple.

Imagine all you did to yourself:

Smh for you.

Stop lying!

truth is what you call a lie. Hebrews 1:8, micah 4:2 ...whose going forth have been from the old from everlasting

truthislight:

Was he doing this things befor the spirit of God came upon him ?

Was it not when the spirit of God came upon him that he started performing miracles ?

It was the spirit of God(power of God) that empowered him to do all he did like that same spirit had empowered other prophets of God in the past.

Stop going outside what the bible says.

Why did you forgot he was annointed ?

Did the Father Annoint himself ?

Did the father called himself "this is my son" ?

Smh for you.

has he not always been predestined to do all he did. Or was he just any other person who just became lucky to be anointed, and as such started doing powerful things. The anointing part is just a confirmation of what has already been pre planned

truthislight:

Angels and Jesus and God were there when God created the earth and man.

Dont you read your bible well ?

no my friend, you are wrong. Angels cannot create so they cant be called to do what they cant do.

truthislight:

Answer her question and stop hiding behind your "lol" and "shoe" talk.

question already answered. The difference is the 'creation ability' of the parties involved which means they just have to be God

Religion / Re: For Frosbel, Ijawkid And Other Non Trinitarians by deSika(m): 10:27pm On Jun 13, 2013

truthislight:

The earth a person ?

All the persons that God created are sons of God.

1. Adam
2. Angels
3. Jesus

i also asked whether your definition included thieves and prostitutes. Son of God just denotes a peculiar relationship with God. There is no relationship between light and darkness.

The angels that came to earth to see Abraham, Jacob, and lot did not pass through the womb or a woman but rather, they materialised and put on mans body and as such remained and keep their nature as angels even though they have put on material body.

Same thing with the angels of Noah's day that did put on material body and married women, they were still angels.

But was that ^ the same with Jesus ? No.

Jesus came as a man to pay the ransom for a man(Adam).

He passed through a woman(mortal) to come to earth.

If he had done as the other angels did, then your case would have held, since the other angels that had came befor were still considered to be "spirit" persons.

That ^ is the way in which the bible considers "spirit persons"(eg angels) that puts on body.

What that comes out from a woman is man. QED.

This is Not greek mythology.
Peace

my friend thats dual nature for you. Being a man in the sense of following all the rules that govern humanhood. Being a spirit being/GOD in the sense of existing from time immemorial. Ability to give life etc.

Religion / Re: For Frosbel, Ijawkid And Other Non Trinitarians by deSika(m): 10:14pm On Jun 13, 2013

What i dont understand is why the bible calls Jesus God in Isaiah 9:6 but you IJAWKID refuse to call him God. Why the bible calls Jesus God in John 20:28, titus 2:13, heb 1 :8 but you refuse to call him that.

Pls can you explain how God used his own blood to buy the church in Acts 20:28

Religion / Re: For Frosbel, Ijawkid And Other Non Trinitarians by deSika(m): 9:59pm On Jun 13, 2013

ijawkid:

I have never in my life called Jesus God the son.....never ever......

Please when Jesus said he and the Father are one what do you think he actually meant??.....

John 17:20-23

20 “My prayer is not for them alone. I pray
also for those who will believe in me through
their message, 21 that all of them may be
one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in
you. May they also be in us so that the world
may believe that you have sent me. 22 I have
given them the glory that you gave me, that
they may be one as we are one— 23 I in them
and you in me—so that they may be brought to
complete unity. Then the world will know that
you sent me and have loved them even as you
have loved me.

The above verse describes what ever Christ meant when he said I and the Father are one..........he wasn't refering to an ontological oneness if not we all would be GOD the almighty too are part of the GODhead........

Because of Jesus is in the Father and the Father is in Him,so Jesus could rightly say if you've seen me you've seen the Father......Jesus was a representative of the Father........

Now the truth is we are also in both Jesus and the Father.....that should even make higher than the both of them(Jesus and the Father)...........

Jesus being refered to as Immanuel in no way means it is God himself who is with us literally speaking.......its a name he'll bear because he was sent by God and would do Gods work by bringing comfort to peoples........

We have persons in bible times who had answered names like Eli′athah which means
" God Has Come'"...............

The role such persons play is the reason why they are given such names not because it is who the person is.......

No man hath seen GOD(The Father) and so he sends his representatives who we can see and not die........

And expressions like God the son and God the holy spirit do not exist in the scriptures........what exists is just God the Father alone......

Am I lying??.....

Religion / Re: For Frosbel, Ijawkid And Other Non Trinitarians by deSika(m): 9:59pm On Jun 13, 2013

ijawkid:

I have never in my life called Jesus God the son.....never ever......

then you need to answer this question. The son of a God is a what? You can use John 5:18 as an aid.

2. You once said Jesus is a spirit being. What kind of spirit being is Jesus
a. Angel
b. God
there are 2 types of spirit beings. Either he is a God or an angel, which one is it.

Please when Jesus said he and the Father are one what do you think he actually meant??.....

John 17:20-23

20 “My prayer is not for them alone. I pray
also for those who will believe in me through
their message, 21 that all of them may be
one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in
you. May they also be in us so that the world
may believe that you have sent me. 22 I have
given them the glory that you gave me, that
they may be one as we are one— 23 I in them
and you in me—so that they may be brought to
complete unity. Then the world will know that
you sent me and have loved them even as you
have loved me.

The above verse describes what ever Christ meant when he said I and the Father are one..........he wasn't refering to an ontological oneness if not we all would be GOD the almighty too are part of the GODhead........

understand that we enter into the family of God when we become born again. We all become one under God. I dont know how to explain it to you.

Because of Jesus is in the Father and the Father is in Him,so Jesus could rightly say if you've seen me you've seen the Father......Jesus was a representative of the Father........

uhm Jesus is a representative of God in what capacity. If i were to be the representative of the president in a meeting. Would it be wrong for the people to address me as Mr President. Would i wield the power of the President.

Now the truth is we are also in both Jesus and the Father.....that should even make higher than the both of them(Jesus and the Father)...........

Jesus being refered to as Immanuel in no way means it is God himself who is with us literally speaking.......its a name he'll bear because he was sent by God and would do Gods work by bringing comfort to peoples........

We have persons in bible times who had answered names like Eli′athah which means
" God Has Come'"...............

The role such persons play is the reason why they are given such names not because it is who the person is.......
No man hath seen GOD(The Father) and so he sends his representatives who we can see and not die........

And expressions like God the son and God the holy spirit do not exist in the scriptures........what exists is just God the Father alone......

Am I lying??.....

so whats the difference between God the son and son of God in reference to Jesus.

Religion / Re: For Frosbel, Ijawkid And Other Non Trinitarians by deSika(m): 9:18pm On Jun 13, 2013

ijawkid:

But how can we reason if we were not bestowed with such abilities.....can God reason with animals or plants??.....

What do you understand by the word GODhead??....what does it mean??.....

Please define it......Jesus being given that power to create does not make him equal to God.......its like saying God giving Jesus the authority and power to rule makes Jesus equal with the one who gave him authority......

would you do me a favour. Would you show me where Jesus was given ability to create.

When God says let us make man. He was definitely talking to persons who already had the ability to create.

My point is simple. Any person that has the ability to create life is a God. Only a God can create

so when God was talking he was not talking to angels, as angels dont have ability to create,

do you agree with me that its only a God that has the exclusive ability to create life

Godhead means the divine essence of God. It means deity.

Religion / Re: For Frosbel, Ijawkid And Other Non Trinitarians by deSika(m): 3:56am On Jun 13, 2013

ijawkid:

The bolded is my problem......Jesus is not part of the personality of GOD,Jesus is a person distinct from his Father(GOD).....

Jesus was given power to serve as Gods agent for creation.....remember that Jesus was granted to have life in himself.......

The moment you say God has 3 personalities then you're saying God is confused.......

And when you say God who do you mean??.......

bro it should not be a problem. Having three personalities does not mean confusion

you should be able to get a clearer picture when you represent Jesus as the word of the father. The word is not independent from the person that speaks it. Infact the word is a part of the speaker as the word comes from within the speaker.

If you can call Jesus God the son being the son of a God and having the spiritual nature of God. Then am afraid that you Just called Jesus God. As we can not have more than one God.

When i say God i mean the Godhead.

I understand what you are saying. That Jesus is so distinct from his father for him to be his father. But the truth is that Jesus juxtaposes his father so much that they just have be one. Not only in creation but in other things. Even the bible in so many instances say things like 'i and my father are one', if you have seen me you have seen the father, 'the father, the spirit,the word are one and bear witness' . JESUS is called mighty God, Jesus is referred to as God with us. Have you ever asked yourselve which God is with us. Is it a different God, if its a different God, then how many Gods do you then have. Certainly there is only one God. If Jesus is God that is with us that means he is the God who you refer to as God.

My friend, its all about expressing himself in different ways. Someone once aptly said that God the father is God over us, God the son is God with us, God the holyspirit is God in us. Its all about expression. But they maintain thier oneness.

...Shalom aleichem

Religion / Re: For Frosbel, Ijawkid And Other Non Trinitarians by deSika(m): 3:21am On Jun 13, 2013

ijawkid:

Yes all the parties involved including God could reason...right??.......

But are these thinkers all personalities of GOD??......

God has given us the ability to reason.....and so he invites us to reason with him.......

Apply this to Jesus as regards creation...............

aha so you are saying God the father has given Jesus the ability to create and so he invites Jesus to come join him create man.

Understand what am saying. The fact that men are involved in the reasoning disqualifies any 'personality of God ' syndrome from this sitation especially as reasonming is not an exclusive act performed by God.

But in the case of creation story. The ability to create is the exclusive act performed only by a God and not any mere spirit being. Only God can create No other spirit being can do that. So for Jesus to have the ability to create means that he is a God. And since we cant have 2 Gods. It then means that Jesus is a part of a Godhead.
And this is a pointer for you. In our image changes to in his image. It just goes to show you that 'our' and 'his' are one.

Religion / Re: For Frosbel, Ijawkid And Other Non Trinitarians by deSika(m): 11:13pm On Jun 12, 2013

Boomark:

How about this one "come now, let us reason together"?, Isaiah 1:18. How many personality are involved?
smh

chief, all you need to do is to engage a little reasoning.

In Isaiah the parties involved in the reasoning all have the ability to reasoning. Thats why man can be included there. But in genesis the parties involved must need have the ability to create, that rules out any angel being a part of 'let us'. So who is the 'us'. it must mean that there is a 'more than one personality' about God.

The two scenarios are differednt. Come to think of it. Why would 'Let us' be used. Do you have any alternative idea

Religion / Re: For Frosbel, Ijawkid And Other Non Trinitarians by deSika(m): 10:56pm On Jun 12, 2013

@Ijawkid
who is talking about a multiple personality disorder.

Ok i get. You agree that Jesus has a physical and spiritual nature. And infact as a spiritual being he is so close to God as to be able to do somethings that God the father can do. You only disagree that Jesus is the same with God the father

Atleast you are not restricting Jesus to being just human who does not have any spiritual nature. Thats good.

but come to think of it. Can you call Jesus God the son. Since you call him the son of God. [just as the son of a lion is a lion so the son of God should also be a God in his own right especially as Jesus is a spiritual being.]

should i also take it that you agree that Jesus was part of the personalities of God that was involved in creation [i say this because its only God that can create].

We wil just need to do a little delving into the scripture to see why Jesus is God, as well as the spirit

Religion / Re: For Frosbel, Ijawkid And Other Non Trinitarians by deSika(m): 9:50pm On Jun 12, 2013

this was what you said

Ijawkid: When God says Us he was definitely talking to someone who wasn't a part of himself but someone who is a distinct person(s) from Him......

then i said

deSika: so tell me how many spirit beings that have the ability to create do you have apart from God

youve not being able to answer that

then i asked again

deSika:
Genesis 1:26 says And God said let us make man in our image
genesis 1:27 so God created man in his own image.

going by what you said about God talking to a different personalities. Did the other personalities refuse to take part in the creation process in verse 27

nothing still from your end

so permit me to do the following explanations
When God said 'us' he was trying to show you Ijawkid that he has more than one personality. when the bible now said "so God created man in his own image. he was trying to bring you back to the fact of his oneness.

now for you to say God was speaking to another personality different from God is wrong. because it would mean that God is not the only spirit being with the ability to create. if we were to go by your statement, the next verse which says 'so God created man in his own image' would mean that the other persons different from God whom God was speaking to would have refused to join God and leave him to do the work alone.

so what is the correct interpretation.
first you have to understand that 'us' (more than one) in verse 26 = 'his' (one) in verse 27 because both 'us' and 'in' are involved in the creation business. and yu know that God is the only creator

since the other personalities that God was telling "let us" all have the innate ability to create. it therefore means that they are God in thier own right, they are not different from the person speaking but yet they are disctinct personalities.

i know it may sound confusing, but its all clearly spelt out in the bible.
you just have to take the word for what it is.

Gen 1:26 and God said let us [/b]make man in [b] our image...
Gen 1:27 So God created man in his own image...
Gen 1:29 And God said behold i ....

God was not speaking to spirit beings or angels as they do not have ability to create. so that rules out angels. so who was God speaking to. he was speaking to the three personalities embedded in himself.

take note: when God uses the word 'us' and 'our' he is trying to tell you that there is a 'more than one person' about God. if you keep denying this, you might just be denying the very bible you are carrying.

wow!

Religion / Re: For Frosbel, Ijawkid And Other Non Trinitarians by deSika(m): 8:35pm On Jun 12, 2013

ijawkid:

You are insinuating Jesus' memory was halfed??.......right??.....

he knew angels didn't know the day and hour including himself but only the Father knew.......

You might just be infering that Jesus didn't know himself.......

Now the question is:::: is Jesus really the Jesus who pre-existed??.......should I believe Jesus' words since his human nature must have affected his decisions and sayings??.....

I stick to the Fact that Jesus had his memory from heaven intact and that infcat he did not knw the day and hour but only the one invisible God the Father......

my friend you are playing the dodge game
Jesus had a physical nature, he also had a spiritual nature
how natures is that.

did you read the part where i said if there is anything like that in the bible. by the way dont let that distract you. i need yu to concur with me that
1. Jesus had 2 natures, a spirit and a man.
2. his spirit nature is similar to God and as such deserves to be called God, inshort he is God

Religion / Re: For Frosbel, Ijawkid And Other Non Trinitarians by deSika(m): 7:49pm On Jun 12, 2013

ijawkid:

May I inform you that I believe Jesus took part in creation....but was Gods agent......

So in verse 27 it won't be contradictory if it is said God created man in his own image.....

Because he is the ultimate source....

Even Jesus is the image of that one invisible GOD the Father.......

All of us are image of that one invisible God the Father.....

deSika: so tell me how many spirit beings that have the ability to create do you have apart from God

Religion / Re: For Frosbel, Ijawkid And Other Non Trinitarians by deSika(m): 7:32pm On Jun 12, 2013

*Kails*:

He was a man. Human. Mortal.

creation of God. Not more special than you or I. we are all children of our creator/s.

are you saying Jesus is equal to you and me. Uhm!
I hope you dont mind if i repeat my question to ijawkid. If creation of God means son of God does that not make trees, birds sons of God.

we all did.

you did ! Please elaborate on how and what you were doing in heaven

If there is a heaven, I believe we all were spirits there. Not in any particular shape or physical form. We will return that way after death..IF heaven exists.

interesting. Then you are not a christian but am sorry this is a christian restricted topic. Thanks for your contribution.

Religion / Re: For Frosbel, Ijawkid And Other Non Trinitarians by deSika(m): 6:58pm On Jun 12, 2013

Oh Frosbel where at thou

Religion / Re: For Frosbel, Ijawkid And Other Non Trinitarians by deSika(m): 6:52pm On Jun 12, 2013

ijawkid:

But he wasn't spirit on earth na....abi??......

And you didn't answer the bolded....

Religion / Re: For Frosbel, Ijawkid And Other Non Trinitarians by deSika(m): 6:50pm On Jun 12, 2013

ijawkid:

But he wasn't spirit on earth na....abi??......

And you didn't answer the bolded....

. The question is did Jesus at any time have a spirit nature. Yes. Did Jesus at anytime have a human nature. YES. How many natures are there. 2

Its sufficient for me that you agree that Jesus is a spirit and that that same Jesus was a man. If Jesus is a spirit and later became a man, how many nature is that. Added to the fact that he did not discard his spirital attributes while being a man but was able to do and say things that are impossible for men. Its too obvious my friend stop denying it.

the bolded part asks why i dont agree with Jesus when he says only his father knows.

Thats dual nature. Dual nature does not mean that he would be invisible while walking as a man. Him becoming a man entails that he would follow the laws governing manhood. Him having dual nature entails that he can do what is impossible for man to do. His not knowing if there is any thing like that in the bible is a part of his human nature.

Religion / Re: For Frosbel, Ijawkid And Other Non Trinitarians by deSika(m): 6:12pm On Jun 12, 2013

While you are at the above question. Permit me to bring to your notice something you either did not notice or you plainly ignored.

Genesis 1:26 says And God said let us make man in our image
genesis 1:27 so God created man in his own image.

going by what you said about God talking to a different personalities. Did the other personalities refuse to take part in the creation process in verse 27

Religion / Re: For Frosbel, Ijawkid And Other Non Trinitarians by deSika(m): 5:58pm On Jun 12, 2013

ijawkid:

Naaaa......God remains a spirit and one that can't be seen.....

God is one 1 person the Father........

When God says Us he was definitely talking to someone who wasn't a part of himself but someone who is a distinct person(s) from Him......

It could have bEen 1 billion persons....

i see you have a problem with the no 3. Subsequently i will show you why its 3.

At the bolded. Do you realise that God was speaking to personalities that had the ability to create. Now are you trying to say that God is not the only spirit being that has the ability to create. That he was speaking to other spirit beings who had the ability to create. That would mean that God is not the only spirit being that can create.

The last time i checked. We have only one creator spirit being who created every other thing (spirit beings and the rest.)

so tell me how many spirit beings that have the ability to create do you have apart from God

Religion / Re: For Frosbel, Ijawkid And Other Non Trinitarians by deSika(m): 5:38pm On Jun 12, 2013

ijawkid:

My point is Jesus was a 100 percent man when on earth and not some combo.....

Having his memory intact doesn't mean he had a dual nature at that moment.....

Jesus remained flesh and blood for complete 33 and a half yrs and never did he dematerialize or become a spirit at any instant........

Jesus before his death didn't have that ability like angels do to materialize and dematerialize....hope you now understand when I say Jesus didn't have a dual nature.....

Yeah Jesus had that ability to read the minds of people and had his memory intact like I said....

So why do you and your colleagues disagree with Jesus when he says the day and hour he doesn't know but only the Father??.....

bro for Jesus to have been a spirit and then later become a man. Thats dual nature

for Jesus to have had all the unique abilities he had while been a man. For Jesus to have been able to do somethings that are 'unmanlike' just shows dual nature.

Its so obvious but i dont know why you keep denying it

Religion / Re: For Frosbel, Ijawkid And Other Non Trinitarians by deSika(m): 5:23pm On Jun 12, 2013

honeychild:

and deSika proceeded to say:'let us make Ogbono soup for us to eat' .....and he proceeded to boil some Ogbono soup

can I conclude that deSika has an 'us personality?'

lol, lady, thats the problem. You are trying to put God in my shoe. I hope you Know that God wont fit into my shoe. Its undersize.

Religion / Re: For Frosbel, Ijawkid And Other Non Trinitarians by deSika(m): 5:02pm On Jun 12, 2013

ijawkid:

From genesis I can't see where it says there 3 persons......I just can't see it......

Why must God be confined to just 3 persons??....why not 10,4 or 7 billion??.....

Why 3??.........

but you saw the words 'us' and 'our' .

it seems you have a problem with '3'.

But atleast you must agree that there is a 'more than one person' nature about God for him to use the word us. Do you agree

if you agree then we can move forward to identifying the personalities in the us from the bible.

Religion / Re: For Frosbel, Ijawkid And Other Non Trinitarians by deSika(m): 4:53pm On Jun 12, 2013

ijawkid:
Lmao.....where him throw way am go??....for dust bin??.......God transfered his life into marys womb......and became no longer a spirit but flesh and blood.......

by throw away i meant to discard, to cease to have the attributes of spirit being again. But of course you know that Jesus had some spirit being attributes. No man has the ability to know the thoughts of other men but Jesus had this ability.

If Christ had a dual nature intact he wouldn't have had blood flowing in his veins....
[dual nature means having two natures. Having the nature of a man(blood flowing in his veins, touchable, gravity bound, etc) and having the nature/attributes of a spirit (inability to stay dead, existing from time immemorial, knowing the thoughts of men and things that happened outside his immediate vicinity, ability to give eternal life etc)
[quote]
I said Jesus was a spirit being when in heaven........on earth God made him lower than angels(no more spirit) to be flesh and blood.......

But Jesus was perfect.......

my simple take is that for him to have been a spirit and then become a man makes him dual natured. Unlike man who started out as man from the onset. Do you get me now. By the way he did not discard his spirit nature, becoming a man just entailed that he obeyed what it means to be a man. Dazall

Jesus had his memory intact......what Jesus wasn't when on earth was that he was a spirit and then man at the same time......
His Life or existence was not a different one......it was his body that was different...his past and all his memories were intact.......

Jesus when on earth was a perfect man...I'm only saying he was flesh and blood...he had to be like his brothers(US).....

at the bolded. You have just said that the same Jesus was a spirit and the same Jesus was a man. What else is dual nature apart from this

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Religion / Re: For Frosbel, Ijawkid And Other Non Trinitarians by deSika(m): 3:49pm On Jun 12, 2013

ijawkid:

What you failed to ask yourself is why isn't God quadruple or decuple??....why is it the triology??.......

because its what the bible shows us.

But seriously, did you think about those verses. If God could use the word "us" for himself. Does that not send a message to you that this one God may afterall have an "us" personality.

But come to think of it. Why would you restrict a God who uses "us" and "i" to refer to himself to just one personality. Are you wiser than God.

Religion / Re: For Frosbel, Ijawkid And Other Non Trinitarians by deSika(m): 3:26pm On Jun 12, 2013

ijawkid:
I wouldn't say throw it away.....he was made by God to be lesser than the angels who were spirits so that he could be flesh and blood.........God who made him lower was the same God who exalted him back to being a spirit being after his work was done here on earth....

playing around with words huh, you wouldnt say throw it away, what would you then say. Its either he threw it away or he retained it. If you cant say he threw it away then permit me to put it to you that he retained it and if he did not throw it away it means he has a dual nature

Lol........when the armed robbers repent they become his sons.......but by default just as adam was Gods son so are we......

you seem to put Jesus on the same plane with men. Pls clarify on this. Is this what you are saying. That Jesus is same as every other man and had no distinguishing spirit attributes while on earth .

Like man does not have dual nature.......

We are flesh and blood completely......

It is either one is a spirit or flesh and blood....not both.....

you said Jesus is a spirit being. You also said Jesus was a man while on earth. You cant say Jesus threw away his spirit nature while on earth. Thats dual nature. I dont know why you are denying it.

By the way am sure you realise that there are things Jesus did and said that no man has the ability to do or say. So i dont know why you keep equating Jesus with man. And i dont know why you refuse to see Jesus as having the nature of man and the nature of God [remember GOD is a spirit]

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Religion / Re: For Frosbel, Ijawkid And Other Non Trinitarians by deSika(m): 1:52pm On Jun 12, 2013

Bonus question
Frosbel and his team seem to think that it does not make sense for God to be triune.

So i thought i could ask them this question.

Does it make sense that God would say in Genesis 1:26 let us make man in our image and then go on to say in genesis 1:27 So God created man in his own image and in verse 29 and God said, Behold, [b] i [/] have given you...

My point is this
you should not say what you think God should be with your primitive mind but rather you should go for what God has shown himself to be in the bible.

Trust me on this. Your mind is too primitive for you to use it to judge between what you think God should be and what the bible says God is.

You need the spirit. And when you hear the word of the spirit. Do not harden your hearts. For God is a spirit and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth not in logical reasoning.

I rest my case

Religion / Re: 10 Questions For Christians by deSika(m): 1:10pm On Jun 12, 2013

My friend you seem to just like arguing with your legs in the air. U need to show that you understand something so that you dont show yourself as being foolish to others.

Now understand this
1. If you cannot show what paraclete means other than comforter/advocate from a lexicon/dictionary. Then the christians are correct. Your failure has just began

2. Was Jesus speaking to his disciples about a comforter. Yes or no.

3. If yes can you show where the disciples had the holyspirit before Jesus made the speech. Where you cant do this then sorry you are not making progress. You are just being foolish.

4. Alternatively you could show us where in the bible Jesus was promising the whole world that a paraclete would come to everybody and not just the disciples.
If you cant do this, shame on you.

5. Then finally try to explain to us what john 14:26 means to you.

...£€¤deSika says Salaam aleikun

Religion / Re: 10 Questions For Christians by deSika(m): 10:34am On Jun 12, 2013

ayenny02: See how you gun yourself down, Jesus said in John 16:7
7. Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I GO AWAY: for if I GO NOT AWAY, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I DEPART, I will send him unto you.

HAS HE DEPARTED BEFORE DISCIPLES RECEIVED HOLY GHOST in john 20:21-22;

"Then said Jesus to them again, Peace be unto you: as my Father hath sent me, even so send I you. And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost."
See how you failed woefully, if you interpret the verses to disciples ALONE that means the disciples are still alive when Jesus said in matt 16:27-28

27. For the Son of Man is going to come in his Father's glory with his angels, and then he will reward each person according to what he has done.
28. I tell you the truth, SOME WHO ARE STANDING HERE will not taste death before they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom."

Matthew 10:22-23

22. All men will hate you because of me, but he who stands firm to the end will be saved.
23. When you are persecuted in one place, flee to another. I tell you the truth, you will not finish going through the cities of Israel before the Son of Man comes.

Jesus (as) was telling his followers that they will never taste death. However, there is not a single one of them alive to this day.

John 14:16
16. And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;

so how can Jesus (as) say if he does not go the "comforter" will not come if that comforter is already there? The "holy spirit" was already there regardless if Jesus (as) stays or leave. This means we cannot say the "comforter" is the "holy spirit".so we clear see that this person that will lead people into "all truth" is someone like Jesus -a prophet- who will come newly to earth.

Look at these verses below and compare it maybe Jesus (as) was referring to an advocate or holy spirit,
1 John 2:1:
"My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:"

John 14:16
16. And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another advocate, that he may abide with you for ever;

my friend this is your original question

ayenny02:
QUESTION 4. Christians say that the Paraclete means the Holy Spirit (John 14;26).

i now asked you what else does paraclete mean. show your answer from a dictionary/lexicon. YOU HAVE NOT STILL DONE THAT.

ayenny02: Jesus said in John 16:7-8 "If I do not go away the Paraclete will not come to you ". This could not mean the Holy spirit, since the Holy spirit was said to have been there before Jesus was even born as in Luke 1:41 "Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit". Here, the Holy spirit was also present during Jesus life time. So how could this fit with the condition that Jesus must go away so that the Holy spirit will come?

i now asked you to show where the holyspirit was with the disciples when Jesus was making that speech. so that you can make true your claim that the Holyspirit was already with them. YOU HAVE NOT STILL DONE THAT.

INSTEAD you brought forth people that were not disciples of Jesus. And then you now brought a case where Jesus was breathing on them after he had made the speech.

the fact is this.
since you cannot show where the holyspirit was with the disciples before Jesus made his speech. then your question taht "the Holyspirit was with them and so cannot be the one to come" is invalid.

pls read all of chapter 20 and discover that the Jesus that breathed on them had died and risen from the dead. so this puts this John 20 scenenario in the category of Jesus having left them physically. so it even confirms the word for you. if i dont leave you the paraclete wont come to you. Jesus had left them physically in death. does that help you

Religion / Re: For Frosbel, Ijawkid And Other Non Trinitarians by deSika(m): 10:06am On Jun 12, 2013

ijawkid:
He was a man while on earth.....100 percent man like adam.......but perfect......

are you saying Jesus threw away his spiritual being nature while on earth.

Beings bro......

Persons.......

Starting from Jesus,to the angels and to man........

oh sorry, you didnt say being in your first response. so you are saying we are all sons of God, including the prostitutes, armed robbers. is that what you are saying

Jesus' nature isn't dual the way you think of it.......

It was only when Jesus came to the earh through a woman that he became 100 percent man....there was never a time when he was dual.......when he was on earth he was 100 percent man(perfect),when in heaven he is a spirit being like the Father and all other angels...........

if someone can have two natures does that not make him dual natured. or what else is the meaning of dual nature if not to have double nature as you have just explained.

Religion / Re: 10 Questions For Christians by deSika(m): 9:48pm On Jun 11, 2013

lanrexlan: Open another thread and challenge muslims with your questions,if they aren't against NL rules,muslims will surely respond.No need hiding your thread If it wasn't against the rule.....Peace

oga you can answer the guy here now. If he opens another thread on the same topic in islam section they would surely delete it again. So there is nothing wrong in answering him here. Since he has your attention now

Religion / Re: For Frosbel, Ijawkid And Other Non Trinitarians by deSika(m): 6:50pm On Jun 11, 2013

obadiah777:
1-IF I EMBODY SOMEONE COMPLETELY DOES NOT MEAN I AM THE PERSON. REMEMBER DURING THE PENTECOST ALL THE JEWS EMBODIED EACH OTHER COMPLETELY. EVERYONE IN THE KINGDOM WHEN THE WORDS HAVE BEEN PUT IN OUR INWARDS PART WILL EMBODY EACH OTHER COMPLETELY. DONT MEAN WE ARE THE SAME ENTITIES

you explanations are not helping you at all. to embody means to give a body to something. the body does nott change the something's nature. If Jesus is an embodiement according to yu. it means he did not change what he is emboding

2-YOU EXISTED BEFORE COMING DOWN TO EARTH. GENESIS 2 VS 1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them <<< YOU WERE MADE HERE AS WELL AS MYSELF

interesting. so yoou existed in heaven. then stayed there for how long before coming to earth. wrong interpretation bro

3-JESUS CAN BE A MAN IF HE COMES TO EARTH AND A SPIRIT IN THE HEAVENLY REALM AS CAN YOU AND I

YOU are still saying same thing. Jesus has a dual nature.

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