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chief why are you being dubious to yourself. this is what you said plaetton: Forgiveness of sins is a grand delusion. The bible, yes the bible, makes no mention of god, a.k.a Yahweh, ever ever granting forgiveness without first exacting his own system of measured justice. The biblical god, a.k.a Yahweh, in over 2000yrs of direct dealings with the hebrews, never ever forgave anyone without punishment. I challange any and all christians to show anywhere in the bible where Yahweh forgave anyone or group without punishment. then someone showed yu were God forgave niniveh. or is that not what you are looking for. proof of Gods forgiveness. ![]() then someone showed you where Hezekiah prayed for forgiveness, because the people had done something wrong and God forgave. what else is your problem. ![]() what crime did niniveh commit jonah 1:2 Go to the great city of Nineveh and preach against it, because its [size=13pt]wickedness [/size] has come up before me.” jonah 3: 10 When God saw what they did and how they turned from their evil ways, he relented and did not bring on them the destruction he had threatened their crime was their evil ways, they were forgiven. now Plaetton you asked and you have been shown. what else do you want. quietly tender your apologies and stop proving stubborn. ![]() ![]() peace be unto you |
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Deep Sight:chief, this is what the thread is about. plaetton: dinner has been served. ![]() oya am waiting for the apologies. ![]() |
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@ plaeton dougivilla(m) has done the job for you, now tender your apologies, acknowledge your ignorance like a gentle man ![]() ![]() |
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Goal brazil |
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maclatunji:the question should be is dust something or nothing. Just do this simple test a.dust=something now replace dust for something in the text. You can now say man was created from dust[something] |
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Mintayo:as in the highest form of it. |
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ijawkid:my dear, am not arguing with you. Am just showing you the implication of saying that the persons to whom "let us make man" was addressed to are not the one God. The implication is that The speaker was inviting non one Gods to join in creation. That means that 1. the speaker cannot claim to be the only creator of the universe as its obvious he invited other non one Gods 2. Next time when you are asked who created the world, pls say the one God and some other non God did. And then add: the one God is not the only being that has the ability to create humans [question for you to ponder on: why is it necessary for you to say that it was The one God that created the world. When you are asked who created the earth] pls continue, tell me more things that the one God can do that we humans can do. Just because you want to argue. Pls take note of the word exclusive ability to create. why is it necessary for you to say that it was The one God that created the world. When you are asked who created the earth. Why is it that one who is identified as a cocreator is not the one God. Pls ask Ijawkid and co refer to my above post. 1 Like |
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ijawkid:dont go beyond the scripture, friend. Dont say what you dont know. IF YOU cant show where Jesus was created, then dont say it. If you cant show where Jesus was given ability to create, then dont say it. You would be committing heresy |
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obadiah777: YOU DONT GET TO OWN THE HOUSE YOU PAID FOR. YOU ARE ONLY BORROWING IT WHEN YOU ARE ALIVE. WHEN YOU ARE DEAD IT BELONGS TO SOMEONE ELSE. YOU DONT REALLY OWN ANYTHING IN THIS WORLD. YOU ARE JUST BORROWING IT ALL WHILE ON EARTH. PONDER ON THATgood point prophet of ?, but even at your explanations, you can still take the op to mean shortterm borrowing and longterm borrowing. |
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ijawkid:question not yet answered. Do i have to beg you. Who has been speaking. You asked who was sent to Babylon and i answered. Was Isaiah sent to babylon. I thought you wanted to use Cyrus in your arguements, ur research how did it go Who was speaking in that verse, he said he has been speaking from the beginning. He said he created. I have explained the pronoun noun replacement for you. Its different from when the speaker identifies himself as Yahweh and then talks about another Yahweh of host. Open your mind The other verses too. Am waiting |
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truthman2012:they just cant stand the truth. I have noticed that they end up running away, denying thier books, dodging the main issue or when they have the power change or delete topics that expose the truth bro we will continue to show them truth no matter what they do. |
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truthman2012:guy no worry when thier Jesus comes he will become a obtain citizenship in arabia, then he will die there. Or perhaps he would come as an arab. I dont think these muslims give thought to what they say. Imagine digging the grave of someone in absentia. What absurdity, ask him if he would allow his children to dig his grave before his death. But its alrite to dig for someone who they has not died. Wierd thinking patterns |
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Moderator Maclatunji doing wat he knows how to do best. You have changed the tittle of the thread. Atleast you tried by not deleting it. 1 Like |
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ayenny02:this your excuse for running away is quite funny. You made some claims, i have shown you how wrong your claims are. Instead of you to admit it, you give an excuse and run away. Dont worry you are not the first muslim that i have debated with who ran away. So you are welcome. Its just nice to see that you cant contend with the truths i presented as always. Welcome to the world of truth |
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@ roypcain one question for you. That verse you quoted bidam using is it corrupted or not. [always running to the bible to get explanations. that should tell you how important the bible is] did the verse tell you that we are already in heaven. Smh [pls go ask bidam the meaning of the text, and stop exposing your foolishness] i think i have made my point. Man is a singular being and can only be in one place at a time. For him to be in heaven he has to leave earth(die). For him to be on earth, he cannot be in heaven fullstop. For your prophet to make that kind of statement exposes 3 things about him 1. Mental degradation 2. Illiteracy to the highest order 3. Demonic manipulation am sure you Roypcain are in heaven right now as we speak, (you wont accept to be in hell). When you die, you will then come down from heaven and pass through hell before going back to heaven [thats if you are among the muslims that will be pulled out]. What a tourist you are And please dont forget to say hi to the devil while on your hell tourism. SMH |
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ijawkid:through his agents, the agents as you say have the ability to create. that means you were created by non one Gods, you cant wish that away. who was involved in creating you. Ijawkids answer: the one God and non one Gods. {therefore the father is not the sole creator} thats what you are saying. if agents can create it means the father is not the only sole creator. you cannot wish it away. the ability to create is surely an exclusive right of the one God amongst other things. what are yu even saying. do you realise that yoou are saying that not only a one God can create life. get this if i asked you who created you, you would say its the one God, but here you are claiming that a non one God can also create and infact created. double tonging are you. either the one God created you, or the non one God (agent)created you. i repeat it is necessary that your creator in all ramification of the word is the one God, anything short of that would mean that a non God person created. keyword: creation: exclusive ability of the one God |
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truthislight:Ijawkid argues with a one liner: God/god is a title. he fails to realise that when he says the father is God, he would also be saying that the father has the title of God/god. but the fact is this. God as used is a nature of the creator being just as man/mortal is the nature of humans. |
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Thoniameek: Jesus was created, yes!how,where |
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truthislight:yu just have to accept that you cant call Jesus the mighty God and call the father mighty God at the same time if Jesus is not the one God. you should understand the gravity of the statement. but no your anti trinitarian mindset will not tell you that. |
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ijawkid: ok you want to see where humans are refered to as EL GIBBOR??....why are you so dubious uhn now see King James Bible The strong among the mighty shall speak to him out of the midst of hell with them that help him: they are gone down, they lie uncircumcised, slain by the sword. my dear i was waiting for mighty god now. why did they translate isaiah 9 as mighty God and this one as mighty leaders abi them no know wetin them they do, abeg show me where humans were called mighty god. yes i know that el has multiple meanings, but the problem with you is that you are imposing one meaning of a word into another meaning of same word, just because you want to argue something. for all the translators to translate to something that is not mighty god tells me that since they understand language stuff they know what they are doing. my friend pls, show me were 'mighty god' as used for the father and Jesus in isaiah. |
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ijawkid:you dont get it. do you the 'agents' that took part im creating you are non one Gods, that means that you were created by non one God. if Jesus is not the one God and somewhere he claims to have created, then am afraisd to put it to you that you were created by a being that is not the one God. it therefore means that the one God is not the only sole creator as there are non one Gods that can create the problem you will be having, is that Jesus already meets the criteria for being a ONE GOD when you say he has the ability to create. only the one God has the ability to create. [no spirit being can claim that he has ability to create] God does not give anybody the ability to create because that will mean giving that person to be the one God. so my dear, you are twisting yourself. get this straight uhn. for Jesus to be able to create life means he his the one God. by the way Jesus does not have a beginning, i thought Ben had taught you that. smh for your arrogance. and also he was not given ability to create. what you need to do is to show it. |
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ijawkid:pls show where humans are called mighty God |
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ijawkid:pls show where other humans are called el gibor |
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ijawkid:i dont agree that Jesus has a beginning. And the father didnt give Jesus or anybody ability to create. [i have been asking you to show where Jesus was given ability to create you have not done so] and let me emphasize again the one you are dodging. If you say the cocreators are not the one God, then you are saying you were created by 2 class of beings 1. The one God 2. Other beings that are are not the one true God therefore The father is not the sole creator. Thats what you are saying what am saying is that it is necessary that the persons that created me are all one true God. The bible supports this when it changes 'us' to 'i'. So the question now is who is your creator a. The one God and some other non 'one true Gods b. The one God expressed in 3 persons [clue: let us make man : more than one persons involved] |
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benalvino:in his quest to reduce the diety of Jesus, he tries all he can to equate him with man. Ijawkid pls show us the other saviors that will save the whole of mankind. Stop comparing spain the world champions with blue house, the interhouse sports winners in a school. Thanks |
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truthislight:only if you can tell me that if i lie to my belly God then am lieing to God from the bible. Thank you |
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ijawkid:we are talking about God here. My worry is simply why you will call the one true God and a mere god the same mighty God, could you muster up the courage to say satan is the mighty God, saying it line by line with 'The father is also a mighty God'. That should help you understand the gravity of the statement 'JESUS is the mighty God' |
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ijawkid:distinct persons with distinct roles yet are one. Phew |
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Thoniameek: So, it's almost like jesus is an angel but to the father alone, right?.... So, i don't need to pray to him or cast out demons in his name, in fact i don't have to hold him in thesame regard as 'the father' right? ( but remember the father asked me to regard christ in thesame way i regard Him) wouldn't i be disobeying the father? But i don't get is Jesus christ not worth our worship? Because these is all sounding like he isn't worth all the honor he gets...good question. Pls add why should people worship a God that is not the one God. When we are gatherd. Jesus says he is there in our midst. Whats a God that is not the one God doing in our midst. Is it not the one God that should be in our midst. Why is a God that is not the one God, why is his throne to last forever in hebrews 1:8. What would the one God be doing while this non one God be ruling |
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