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Business To Business / Re: Free Download How To Become A Web Developer From Scratch - Complete Video Course by deSika(m): 11:58am On Jul 03, 2013
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Religion / Re: God Does Not Forgive: A Challenge To All Christians by deSika(m): 11:43am On Jul 03, 2013
chief why are you being dubious to yourself. this is what you said
plaetton: Forgiveness of sins is a grand delusion. The bible, yes the bible, makes no mention of god, a.k.a Yahweh, ever ever granting forgiveness without first exacting his own system of measured justice.
The biblical god, a.k.a Yahweh, in over 2000yrs of direct dealings with the hebrews, never ever forgave anyone without punishment.
I challange any and all christians to show anywhere in the bible where Yahweh forgave anyone or group without punishment.

then someone showed yu were God forgave niniveh. or is that not what you are looking for. proof of Gods forgiveness. angry
then someone showed you where Hezekiah prayed for forgiveness, because the people had done something wrong and God forgave. what else is your problem. angry

what crime did niniveh commit
jonah 1:2 Go to the great city of Nineveh and preach against it, because its [size=13pt]wickedness [/size] has come up before me.”
jonah 3: 10 When God saw what they did and how they turned from their evil ways, he relented and did not bring on them the destruction he had threatened

their crime was their evil ways, they were forgiven. now Plaetton you asked and you have been shown. what else do you want.

quietly tender your apologies and stop proving stubborn. grin grin


peace be unto you
Religion / Re: God Does Not Forgive: A Challenge To All Christians by deSika(m): 4:54pm On Jul 02, 2013
Deep Sight:

But surely, their acts of wearing sackcloth and ashes, denying themselves food and water, and all that - surely those acts served as penance and atonement which the Lord saw before averting the disaster.

chief, this is what the thread is about.

plaetton:
I challange any and all christians to show anywhere in the bible where Yahweh forgave anyone or group without punishment.

dinner has been served. wink

oya am waiting for the apologies. angry
Religion / Re: God Does Not Forgive: A Challenge To All Christians by deSika(m): 11:30am On Jul 02, 2013
@ plaeton
dougivilla(m) has done the job for you, now tender your apologies, acknowledge your ignorance like a gentle man
cool grin
Sports / Re: Brazil Vs Spain - Confederations Cup Final (3 - 0) On 30th June 2013 by deSika(m): 11:01pm On Jun 30, 2013
Goal brazil
Islam for Muslims / Re: Contradictions In Quran? (part 1) by deSika(m): 9:32pm On Jun 30, 2013
maclatunji:

And where did the dust come from?
the question should be is dust something or nothing.

Just do this simple test
a.dust=something


now replace dust for something in the text.

You can now say
man was created from dust[something]
Islam for Muslims / Re: Desika's Opinion on The Crucifixion Of Jesus by deSika(m): 5:55pm On Jun 30, 2013
Mintayo:

Gibberish!
as in the highest form of it.
Religion / Re: Polytheists Vs Trinity by deSika(m): 5:58pm On Jun 29, 2013
ijawkid:

The Father remains the sole creator because he created Jesus whom he used as agent......

An agent does the will of his maker or sender.......

It just as the Father would ressurect the dead through his son......

Chikena!!!
my dear, am not arguing with you. Am just showing you the implication of saying that the persons to whom "let us make man" was addressed to are not the one God.

The implication is that The speaker was inviting non one Gods to join in creation. That means that
1. the speaker cannot claim to be the only creator of the universe as its obvious he invited other non one Gods

2. Next time when you are asked who created the world, pls say the one God and some other non God did. And then add: the one God is not the only being that has the ability to create humans

[question for you to ponder on: why is it necessary for you to say that it was The one God that created the world. When you are asked who created the earth]


What about the ability to ressurect the dead.....isn't it an exclusive right of God the Father??.......

But lo and behold his son can ressurect d dead,his servants on earth can too.....

And get this into your brain....Jesus himself was created...

The Father grants his vendors with what ever powers he dims fit....and Jesus being his firstborn he has given immeasurable abilities.........
pls continue, tell me more things that the one God can do that we humans can do. Just because you want to argue. Pls take note of the word exclusive ability to create. why is it necessary for you to say that it was The one God that created the world. When you are asked who created the earth. Why is it that one who is identified as a cocreator is not the one God. Pls ask Ijawkid and co



You are being naughty ooo.......

Oya Jesus was created and used as Gods vendor to create things other than himself who was caused by the Father.......


And the ability to create is not what makes God the Father the one God......

refer to my above post.

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Religion / Re: Polytheists Vs Trinity by deSika(m): 5:50pm On Jun 29, 2013
ijawkid:

The Father remains the sole creator because he created Jesus whom he used as agent......

An agent does the will of his maker or sender.......

It just as the Father would ressurect the dead through his son......

Chikena!!!


What about the ability to ressurect the dead.....isn't it an exclusive right of God the Father??.......

But lo and behold his son can ressurect d dead,his servants on earth can too.....

And get this into your brain....Jesus himself was created...


The Father grants his vendors with what ever powers he dims fit....and Jesus being his firstborn he has given immeasurable abilities.........



You are being naughty ooo.......

Oya Jesus was created and used as Gods vendor to create things other than himself who was caused by the Father.......


And the ability to create is not what makes God the Father the one God......

Religion / Re: Polytheists Vs Trinity by deSika(m): 5:05pm On Jun 29, 2013
ijawkid:

Please can you get just one explicit verse that says the angels were created??...

I don't know if I've seen before o...

If there is make ona help me bring am come....


I am asking this question to know......
dont go beyond the scripture, friend. Dont say what you dont know. IF YOU cant show where Jesus was created, then dont say it. If you cant show where Jesus was given ability to create, then dont say it. You would be committing heresy
Properties / Re: Reasons Why You Must Own Your House by deSika(m): 4:13pm On Jun 29, 2013
obadiah777: YOU DONT GET TO OWN THE HOUSE YOU PAID FOR. YOU ARE ONLY BORROWING IT WHEN YOU ARE ALIVE. WHEN YOU ARE DEAD IT BELONGS TO SOMEONE ELSE. YOU DONT REALLY OWN ANYTHING IN THIS WORLD. YOU ARE JUST BORROWING IT ALL WHILE ON EARTH. PONDER ON THAT wink
good point prophet of ?, but even at your explanations, you can still take the op to mean shortterm borrowing and longterm borrowing.
Religion / Re: For Frosbel, Ijawkid And Other Non Trinitarians by deSika(m): 3:00pm On Jun 29, 2013
ijawkid:

These scriptures are confusing to you because you believe in the trinity and would do anything to convince yourself and force the trinity into these innocent verses...

I had earlier told you of how the hebrews wrote down words idiomatically by one refering or doing something with reference to himself...I used that verse in 1 kings 8:1 as a perfect example.....

And may I clarify issues on this isaiah 48:16....

The person who was sent in that verse is ISIAIH himself who was Gods prophets....

And that prophecy was to fulfill on cyrus whom God used deliver the isrealites from the babylonians .........


question not yet answered. Do i have to beg you. Who has been speaking.

You asked who was sent to Babylon and i answered. Was Isaiah sent to babylon. I thought you wanted to use Cyrus in your arguements, ur research how did it go

Who was speaking in that verse, he said he has been speaking from the beginning. He said he created. I have explained the pronoun noun replacement for you. Its different from when the speaker identifies himself as Yahweh and then talks about another Yahweh of host. Open your mind

The other verses too. Am waiting
Islam for Muslims / Re: Desika's Opinion on The Crucifixion Of Jesus by deSika(m): 2:25pm On Jun 29, 2013
truthman2012:

I congratulate you for they changing only the subject of your thread. They deleted mine (Similarities Between Islam and Hinduism) completely.

They are defending allah who the quran says is capable of defending himself (Quran 4:171). Don't they believe him?
they just cant stand the truth. I have noticed that they end up running away, denying thier books, dodging the main issue or when they have the power change or delete topics that expose the truth

bro we will continue to show them truth no matter what they do.
Islam for Muslims / Re: Desika's Opinion on The Crucifixion Of Jesus by deSika(m): 2:14pm On Jun 29, 2013
truthman2012:

Lies of the Devil. Was Jesus a Jew or an Arabia? How would he be born in Israel and come back to die in Arabia?

Who told Muhammad Jesus is coming back to die in Syria?

You know what? Jesus said many will claim to be him in different places of the world. He warned we should not believe them.

If a man in Syria claims to be Jesus, he is fake. There have been many fake Jesus already even in Nigeria.
guy no worry when thier Jesus comes he will become a obtain citizenship in arabia, then he will die there. Or perhaps he would come as an arab. I dont think these muslims give thought to what they say.

Imagine digging the grave of someone in absentia. What absurdity, ask him if he would allow his children to dig his grave before his death. But its alrite to dig for someone who they has not died. Wierd thinking patterns
Islam for Muslims / Re: Desika's Opinion on The Crucifixion Of Jesus by deSika(m): 12:31pm On Jun 29, 2013
Moderator Maclatunji doing wat he knows how to do best.

You have changed the tittle of the thread.

Atleast you tried by not deleting it.

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Religion / Re: 10 Questions For Christians by deSika(m): 11:41am On Jun 29, 2013
ayenny02:
I don't want you to HUG the transformer that's why I just ignore you because you still repeating the same thing. Go back and see your shame from where you don't know d diff btw God and Holy spirit. I have many people to attend to, so you can't expect me to sit down with someone who will HUG the transformer at last.
If you have another question to answer pls take one from other 9 questions that still not unanswered or stay out of the MATCH and go and sit down to RESERVE Bench to watch the GAME
this your excuse for running away is quite funny. You made some claims, i have shown you how wrong your claims are. Instead of you to admit it, you give an excuse and run away.

Dont worry you are not the first muslim that i have debated with who ran away. So you are welcome.

Its just nice to see that you cant contend with the truths i presented as always. Welcome to the world of truth
Islam for Muslims / Re: Muslims In Al-jannah by deSika(m): 11:06am On Jun 29, 2013
@ roypcain
one question for you. That verse you quoted bidam using is it corrupted or not. [always running to the bible to get explanations. that should tell you how important the bible is]

did the verse tell you that we are already in heaven. Smh [pls go ask bidam the meaning of the text, and stop exposing your foolishness]

i think i have made my point. Man is a singular being and can only be in one place at a time. For him to be in heaven he has to leave earth(die). For him to be on earth, he cannot be in heaven fullstop. For your prophet to make that kind of statement exposes 3 things about him
1. Mental degradation
2. Illiteracy to the highest order
3. Demonic manipulation

am sure you Roypcain are in heaven right now as we speak, (you wont accept to be in hell). When you die, you will then come down from heaven and pass through hell before going back to heaven [thats if you are among the muslims that will be pulled out]. What a tourist you are

And please dont forget to say hi to the devil while on your hell tourism. SMH
Religion / Re: Polytheists Vs Trinity by deSika(m): 9:38am On Jun 29, 2013
ijawkid:
I was created by the one God through his agent.......

The agent himself has been granted the ability to engage in creation while he himself was created by the one God...




Jesus been able to create does not mean he meets up with the criteria for the one GOD.....the ability to create is not the only criteria that makes Yahweh the one God....there are other things my bro.....

And like I said before....Jesus himself was created by the Father so you have no ground to stand...

God infact has given his son the ability to do so many things......God the Father has granted his son to even have life in himself.......he has granted this his son power.....everything Jesus can do was granted to him.......




Oboy ben taught nothing....ask him if he didn't cower in his own argument when scriptures was opened to show what Jesus being the beginning of Gods creation was forwarded.....

Ask the fraudulent ben to come over here and let us ressurect the topic........


I want you desika to tell me what it means for Jesus to be the beginning of GOD's creation....

And mind you Jesus isn't the GOD in bold....

And like I said and I stand by it,Jesus was given the ability to engage In creation after he himself was the first of Gods creation...

Now you can see why I say I was created and that the world was created by The Father through his son(agent)......

through his agents, the agents as you say have the ability to create. that means you were created by non one Gods, you cant wish that away. who was involved in creating you. Ijawkids answer: the one God and non one Gods. {therefore the father is not the sole creator} thats what you are saying. if agents can create it means the father is not the only sole creator. you cannot wish it away.


the ability to create is surely an exclusive right of the one God amongst other things. what are yu even saying. do you realise that yoou are saying that not only a one God can create life. get this if i asked you who created you, you would say its the one God, but here you are claiming that a non one God can also create and infact created. double tonging are you.

either the one God created you, or the non one God (agent)created you. i repeat it is necessary that your creator in all ramification of the word is the one God, anything short of that would mean that a non God person created.

keyword: creation: exclusive ability of the one God
Religion / Re: Polytheists Vs Trinity by deSika(m): 9:25am On Jun 29, 2013
truthislight:

What i get from Ijawkid's post is that the word God is a title that even humans get.

So that when you see christ etc being called God, you dont affixed your three (3) gods into it.

And he then showed you Psalms where Yahweh called humans Gods. QED.

If you wish to add salt and pepe to what he had said, then, suite yourself.
Ijawkid argues with a one liner: God/god is a title. he fails to realise that when he says the father is God, he would also be saying that the father has the title of God/god.

but the fact is this. God as used is a nature of the creator being just as man/mortal is the nature of humans.
Religion / Re: Polytheists Vs Trinity by deSika(m): 9:17am On Jun 29, 2013
Thoniameek: Jesus was created, yes!
how,where
Religion / Re: Polytheists Vs Trinity by deSika(m): 9:16am On Jun 29, 2013
truthislight:

On red is a silly question.

We are explaining What the bible says.
It does not mean we underate the person of christ.

But you have completely ignored the father, sorry for you.
yu just have to accept that you cant call Jesus the mighty God and call the father mighty God at the same time if Jesus is not the one God. you should understand the gravity of the statement. but no your anti trinitarian mindset will not tell you that.
Religion / Re: Polytheists Vs Trinity by deSika(m): 9:12am On Jun 29, 2013
ijawkid: ok you want to see where humans are refered to as EL GIBBOR??....

Ezekiel 32:21

New International Version
(©2011)
From within the realm of the dead
the mighty leaders will say of
Egypt and her allies, 'They have
come down and they lie with the
uncircumcised, with those killed
by the sword.'

New Living Translation (©2007)
Down in the grave mighty leaders
will mockingly welcome Egypt and
its allies, saying, 'They have come
down; they lie among the outcasts,
hordes slaughtered by the sword.'



Do you know that the hebrew word rendered mighty leaders in plural in that verse is EL GIBBOR??........

And I know you wouldn't want to see more verses where mountains,other humans,all the angels are refered to as "EL"


And like I had said earlier.....EL and GIBBOR both mean the same thing....

Go and do a research on the words EL and GIBBOR and stop this charade.....
why are you so dubious uhn

now see
King James Bible
The strong among the mighty shall speak to him out of the midst of hell with them that help him: they are gone down, they lie uncircumcised, slain by the sword.

my dear i was waiting for mighty god now.
why did they translate isaiah 9 as mighty God
and this one as mighty leaders

abi them no know wetin them they do, abeg show me where humans were called mighty god.
yes i know that el has multiple meanings, but the problem with you is that you are imposing one meaning of a word into another meaning of same word, just because you want to argue something. for all the translators to translate to something that is not mighty god tells me that since they understand language stuff they know what they are doing.


my friend pls, show me were 'mighty god' as used for the father and Jesus in isaiah.
Religion / Re: Polytheists Vs Trinity by deSika(m): 8:51am On Jun 29, 2013
ijawkid:
Oh please...Jesus had a beginning if you must know.......

He is the beginning of Gods creation......

cool........

He had a beginning......he had a start.....




I was created by God through his agent......

Just as an employee recieves salary from his OGA through an agent(cashier or accountant) while the aCcountant himself is still an employee..........








Got it wrong......

Christ is Gods vendor......and isn't the one God ......




My creator remains the Father........

you dont get it. do you
the 'agents' that took part im creating you are non one Gods, that means that you were created by non one God. if Jesus is not the one God and somewhere he claims to have created, then am afraisd to put it to you that you were created by a being that is not the one God. it therefore means that the one God is not the only sole creator as there are non one Gods that can create

the problem you will be having, is that Jesus already meets the criteria for being a ONE GOD when you say he has the ability to create. only the one God has the ability to create. [no spirit being can claim that he has ability to create]

God does not give anybody the ability to create because that will mean giving that person to be the one God.

so my dear, you are twisting yourself.
get this straight uhn.
for Jesus to be able to create life means he his the one God.

by the way Jesus does not have a beginning, i thought Ben had taught you that. smh for your arrogance. and also he was not given ability to create. what you need to do is to show it.
Religion / Re: Polytheists Vs Trinity by deSika(m): 9:41pm On Jun 28, 2013
ijawkid:

You forgot to add all the human rulers who were also refered to as EL GIBBOR....

My brother your wayo won't work....grin....

To us there is but one GOD THE FATHER.......


Can't you gulp in this simple ABC of the scriptures??..........

And till this moment not even one scripture unequivocally supports your assertion.........


Can't you find a verse where it is said the one GOD is the Father,son and holy spirit.....

Why e dey hard for ona to support this false teaching with clear scriptures

Why??......

Polytheists on rampage....grin
pls show where humans are called mighty God
Religion / Re: Polytheists Vs Trinity by deSika(m): 9:37pm On Jun 28, 2013
ijawkid:

Please you didn't answer why Jesus would be called EL GIBBOR.....

Please answer.......

Human kings have answered the same title.....

So I have dismantled what ever intentions you have to link this to mean Jesus is equal to the Father the one GOD.....

Why would Jesus be called EL GIBBOR??......

pls show where other humans are called el gibor
Religion / Re: Polytheists Vs Trinity by deSika(m): 9:36pm On Jun 28, 2013
ijawkid:

the person who worked alongside God the Father can't be the one God alongside the Father because that person himself had a beginning........

Jesus himself had a beginning....

So the Father remains the sole creator.......




Like I have asked you in previous threads....

Is there anything that Jesus can do or any ability Jesus has that wasn't bestowed on him by the Father??...........

Is there any??.......

The Father confers abilities and authorities to his servants,sons,creations as he wishes.....

That is why he remains the one GOD.....

That is why Jesus calls him MY GOD.......


i dont agree that Jesus has a beginning. And the father didnt give Jesus or anybody ability to create. [i have been asking you to show where Jesus was given ability to create you have not done so]

and let me emphasize again the one you are dodging. If you say the cocreators are not the one God, then you are saying you were created by 2 class of beings
1. The one God
2. Other beings that are are not the one true God
therefore The father is not the sole creator. Thats what you are saying

what am saying is that it is necessary that the persons that created me are all one true God. The bible supports this when it changes 'us' to 'i'.

So the question now is who is your creator
a. The one God and some other non 'one true Gods
b. The one God expressed in 3 persons

[clue: let us make man : more than one persons involved]
Religion / Re: Polytheists Vs Trinity by deSika(m): 9:09pm On Jun 28, 2013
benalvino:

Dude... when Jesus have one unique thing why do you always Cook strange arguments about humans having same thing? who is the only savior the bible talks about? who is the savior of the world? we are not talking about saving 2 of my village people... we are talking about saving mankind from adam and eve till the last day.

that's your thing always find something to use to try to take Jesus glory away. soon you go say all the people who get sheep for their farm na shepherd as Jesus.

and i told you that those savior wey you they talk about still need saving from Jesus so how are they the savior?
this is not the point though.
My issue is that you keep changing Jesus identity... the other day you admit he is a false god... today he is not a false god to you.

you guys use to worship jesus... then you stopped, then you start to worship him again, then you stopped. lol that is confusion and i am seeing it here.
in his quest to reduce the diety of Jesus, he tries all he can to equate him with man.

Ijawkid pls show us the other saviors that will save the whole of mankind. Stop comparing spain the world champions with blue house, the interhouse sports winners in a school. Thanks
Religion / Re: Polytheists Vs Trinity by deSika(m): 9:00pm On Jun 28, 2013
truthislight:

That is the way you lot always "put it" and arrived at three (3) gods and counting.

Keep "putting" gods for yourself.

Errm, dont forget the God at philipians 3:19, the belly God.

That will help you.

Mr many Gods
only if you can tell me that if i lie to my belly God then am lieing to God from the bible. Thank you
Religion / Re: Polytheists Vs Trinity by deSika(m): 8:57pm On Jun 28, 2013
ijawkid:

Since nebuchadnezzar can be called the king of kings and Jesus too......

Who was called king of kings in revelation??......

You still have not learnt to recognize people........

You cannot go around confusing people because of titles.......

You are not a kid o........

I have opened my mouth a million times to say even human rulers have been refered to as EL GIBBOR's.......

Are they the Father because they are called by that title??.....

I give up....
we are talking about God here. My worry is simply why you will call the one true God and a mere god the same mighty God, could you muster up the courage to say satan is the mighty God, saying it line by line with 'The father is also a mighty God'. That should help you understand the gravity of the statement 'JESUS is the mighty God'
Religion / Re: Polytheists Vs Trinity by deSika(m): 8:47pm On Jun 28, 2013
ijawkid:


The Father is not the beginning of Gods creation......

The Father is not a messenger of God

The Father is not the image of God..

The Father is not the glory of God...

The Father is not the son of God.....

The Father is not an apostle of God...

The Father is not Jesus Christ...

The Father is the one GOD and Jesus isn't ......


Should I go on.......


And I see you mention shepherd........

You know how many people God don call shepherd before even Christ answer that title??.....

grin
distinct persons with distinct roles yet are one. Phew
Religion / Re: Polytheists Vs Trinity by deSika(m): 8:38pm On Jun 28, 2013
Thoniameek: So, it's almost like jesus is an angel but to the father alone, right?.... So, i don't need to pray to him or cast out demons in his name, in fact i don't have to hold him in thesame regard as 'the father' right? ( but remember the father asked me to regard christ in thesame way i regard Him) wouldn't i be disobeying the father? But i don't get is Jesus christ not worth our worship? Because these is all sounding like he isn't worth all the honor he gets...
good question.
Pls add why should people worship a God that is not the one God.

When we are gatherd. Jesus says he is there in our midst. Whats a God that is not the one God doing in our midst. Is it not the one God that should be in our midst.

Why is a God that is not the one God, why is his throne to last forever in hebrews 1:8. What would the one God be doing while this non one God be ruling

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