ijawkid:

You are a liar.......

It was on cyrus who the prophecy in 48:14-16 fulfilled on.......

I want you to open your mouth and call cyrus Yahweh......

am sure you understand english or should i speak ijaw for you.
read my lips no Cyrus was speaking in that verse. if you think otherwise show where Cyrus spoke simple

ijawkid:

The Father is LORD over Christ,while Christ has been appointed as Lord over the church.......

And I would keep mentioning appointing because it is the reason why Jesus is identified as the one Lord......

I want you to just inadvertently say Christ is the Father in 1 corinthians 8:6 so that I can go about my busy day.......

Make we rest....

am sure you saw anonys thread. its simple

Jesus is not the father yet they are one. you call Jesus one lord yet Father is oone lord. if Jesus is a lord different from God lording us too. then you have two lords. then you are saying Jesus or the father dont know what they are saying when they both say one lord. get it ONE LORD IS ONE LORD. ME I no get two lords o. i get one lord who says "let us create" but then says "I made".

na wa so you guys have been polytheist all this while.

sino:
I wouldn't have dignified you with a response, but you guys can be quite annoying with your pseudo-knowledge about Islam.
So it's Bukhari that narrates the hadiths ba? Your ignorance is quite exquisite...

Please inform us what the @hadith is about, this world(earth) or judgement day? Answer and see your argument fall like row of dominoes



I can see you pride yourself on the amount of Islamic knowledge of have come to attain(like the one you just displayed above), me i no sabi anything, i be learner, i like my status.




I can never say that i surpass all what you mentioned, infact i know next to nothing when compared to the Qur'an, the Prophet(SAW) and the scholars of good repute.
Alexis, i don't think i have met anyone as arrogant as you are, please heed my advice i posted earlier or you'll have loads of problems in real life.

I know i am clueless, i asked you what you know about usool fiqh, mustolahu-l-hadith, arabic etc. you didn't give a response, can you know all this by reading the Qur'an, Hadith and the life of rosul(SAW)? If you don't know about this things, do you think you can confidently speak about Islam and its teachings to Muslims who spend their entire life learning about their deen? Every aspect of Islam is a subject matter that scholars have researched into, for example, you go to the university and study only hadith, you go for msc and phd only on hadith, talkless of fiqh, sharia, tafseer etc.

all these just for a simple answer you could have given to a simple question. pls do us the favour pick one question and answer it.
does shirk stop being shirk on judgement day, by the way, where will jugement day take place

the rules will be changed by who, and what rules would be change

the picture that they had, even though you may argue its on judgement day, where will they get the picture from as they have not seen Allah before.

the mark of a sincere person is in his responce to questions being asked and not in dodging them.

shalom aleichem.....salaam aleikun

BERNIMOORE: @deSika



show where the 3rd person is called God/god, even in your comprehension you posted i cant find any, we only saw two discussed and rendered God/god respectively, if you cant show where the 3rd beign the holy spirit is God/god or reffered to in the bible as God quoting the verse clealy stating it, then your logic lacks the required data talkless of an accurate result. it means that you forcefully insert the third God as the holy spirit without proof.

do i take it that yu agree n the two persons being one but not on three. so we can take it up from there

lanrexlan: I have answered your questions,you asked how what it's a sin on earth can't be a sin of the day of Judgement and I gave you a simple example of wines,forbidden on earth and not a sin for the people of paradise.What else do you want me to answer?.....Peace

am sorry but were we talking about paradise or judgement day.not everybody on judgement day will experience paradise

by the way i wouldnt want to deviate but coome think of it. if heaven is a perfect place and wine is allowed there, which means wine is perfect. why will it be bad to take a perfect thing on earth.

and you say wwine is bad on earth
you are causing more damage when yu say evill things are allowed in your paradise. i would just have to imagine what other evil thing is allowed in your paradise.......stealing, adultery, shirk

think about it,

now dis is a new question.
#previously i asked whether the fact that shirk was committed on judgement day does it remove it from being shirk. yu did not answer yes or no. you gave an irrelevant response saying its judgement day and so no action counts. [i kept asking even if its judgement day or in heaven or on earth, is it shirk or not. still no answer]

#this new question in contrast to the former seeks to find out what type of picture they had, since they dont know Allah before. even though you say they are in judgement day.

you can do yourself the favor of answering this recent question and revisiting the others. also tell Mac to tell us who would change what rules and when



shalom aleichem

lanrexlan: I have answered your questions,you asked how what it's a sin on earth can't be a sin of the day of Judgement and I gave you a simple example of wines,forbidden on earth and not a sin for the people of paradise.What else do you want me to answer?.....Peace

am sorry but were we talking about paradise or judgement day.not everybody on judgement day will experience paradise

by the way i wouldnt want to deviate but coome think of it. if heaven is a perfect place and wine is allowed there, which means wine is perfect. why will it be bad to take a perfect thing on earth.

and you say wwine is bad on earth
you are causing more damage when yu say evill things are allowed in your paradise. i would just have to imagine what other evil thing is allowed in your paradise.......stealing, adultery, shirk

think about it,

now dis is a new question.
#previously i asked whether the fact that shirk was committed on judgement day does it remove it from being shirk. yu did not answer yes or no. you gave an irrelevant response saying its judgement day and so no action counts. [i kept asking even if its judgement day or in heaven or on earth, is it shirk or not. still no answer]

#this new question in contrast to the former seeks to find out what type of picture they had, since they dont know Allah before. even though you say they are in judgement day.

you can do yourself the favor of answering this recent question and revisiting the others. also tell Mac to tell us who would change what rules and when



shalom aleichem

ijawkid:

Oboy u dey run from cyrus as I can see.......

Until you tell me who God send to finish the babylonians in that prophecy I won't take you serious...

Who??

You are so dodging verses 14-15 of isaiah 48 because you know it'll choke you.....

And I thought I had explained malachi 3:1...

We have the
1..The LORD almighty
2...The messenger of the covenant which some the trinitarians renderings rendered as angel of the covenant.
3....Then we have JOHN......


Now I ask you.....

Who came and who didn't come??......

i intentionally wrote out all the verses i brought up, but as always yu skipped them and only highlighted malachi and isaiah 48. thats dodgetiantis.

i didnt dodge verse 14 and 15 see this

deSika:

clue: show where Cyrus altered a single word in those verses

the personthat spoke in verse 14 and 15 is he different from the person thatsaid in verse 13: mine hand hath also laid the foundation........when i call unto them, they stand up together. [then enter verse 14] all ye, assemble yourselves and hear

am waiting
who spoke

the problem is that i dont see where Cyrus spoke in that verse. thats what am asking you to show me. i hope you know that ministry of the messiah covers both jews and gentiles including babylon. ok

ijawkid:

.....

I wish say na me meet this person......

so your dodgetiantis get level pass the guy own. uhm

Christian: Let me ask you only one question and after you answer it, I’ll answer any question you want. First I need to clarify a few things. In the New World Translation, John 1:1 reads: “In [the] beginning the Word was, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god.” Then in Isaiah 9:6 (NWT) we read: “For there has been a child born to us, there has been a son given to us; and the princely rule will come to be upon his shoulder. And his name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace.” So then, does Jehovah equal almighty God?

JW: Yes.

C: Now Jesus isn’t Jehovah, right?

JW: That’s right.

C: Jesus equals a Mighty God?

JW: That is correct.

C: Is Jehovah a true God or a false God?

JW: Jehovah is a true God.

C: Is Jesus a true God or a false God?

JW: Jesus is a true God.

C: Okay, here’s my question: How can you believe there are two true Gods when the Bible says there is only one God? After all, it says in Isaiah 43:10-11 (NWT), “Before me there was no God formed, and after me there continued to be none.” And Isa: 44:6 (NWT) says: “I am the first and I am the last, and besides me there is no God.”

JW: That passage is teaching that there are no capital “G” gods.

C: Hebrew doesn’t have capital letters so the capitalization of the “G” in those passages is an insertion by the NW translators to make us believe there are two categories of gods. It is equivalent to their just inserting the word “almighty” in the text. If the Lord had wanted to proclaim that “besides me there is no Almighty God” instead of what it really says, “beside me there is no god,” He could easily have had Isaiah insert the word “Almighty” in those passages. But He didn’t.

JW: Well, we only worship one God.

C: If I only loved one wife but was married to two women, I would still be a polygamist and your believing there are two true Gods even though you only worship one of them still makes you a polytheist. The Bible says there is only one God.

JW: But the Bible calls Satan a God.

C: Is Satan a true God or a false God?

JW: A false God.

C: You still have two true Gods.

JW: But in Ex. 4:16 (NWT) it says that Moses “will serve as God to him [Pharaoh].”

C: It says Moses will serve “as God.” In other translations of this verse it says Moses will be “like God” to him. Do you see a difference between serving “as” God or “like” God and really being a god? For example, if I said an older woman was “as a mother to me” it wouldn’t mean that I actually came out of her womb, right? Do you see the difference?”

JW: But the word “God” is just a title that can be used for those on the side of God.

C: Then there would be lots of true Gods, but John 17:3 (NWT) says “This means everlasting life, their taking in knowledge of you, the only true God, and of the one whom you sent forth, Jesus Christ.” If that’s true, how could you say that Jesus is a true God?

JW: As I said, we only worship one God.

C: But I’m not asking about how many Gods you worship, I’m asking about how many Gods you think are true. Can you think of a time when someone says that ‘X’ is the ‘only true’ ‘X’ that it doesn’t make everything else in that category false? If there God is the ‘only true’ God then any other god must be a false god, but you have already said that Jehovah and Jesus are both true Gods and that makes… count them… two true Gods.

JW: 1 Cor. 8:4-6 says “…there is no God but one. For even though there are those who are called ‘gods,’ whether in heaven or on earth, just as there are many ‘gods’ and many ‘lords,’ there is actually to us one God the Father, out of whom all things are, and we for him; and there is one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things are, and we through him.” See, the Father is God, not Jesus.

C: But you’ve already agreed there are two true Gods and this passage says there is only one God.

JW: You’re talking about the Trinity.

C: No, I’m pointing out that Jehovah’s Witnesses are polytheists who believe there is more than one true God, even though the Bible tells us there is only one true God.

JW: We didn’t come here to argue. [What?]

C: Okay, well, if you want to bring someone back, I’ll be glad to talk with them. [That hasn’t happened yet.]

This is all about logic. After all, if there is one God and if there are three persons in the Bible called God, then the three persons must be the one God. It is no surprise that I have yet to hear a coherent answer. I carried on an email dialog with one JW and after several months she ended our discussion with, “You just like to go around and destroy other people’s religions!”



http://www.clayjones.net/2010/08/a-question-the-jehovah%E2%80%99s-witnesses-can%E2%80%99t-answer/

your dodgentiantis no see isaiah 42 and 61 abi, hosea 1:7, zech 2: 10,11, malachi 3:1 am waiting for you on those verses

isaiah 48:16
i have not spoken in secret from the time that it was, there am i: and now the lord God and his spirit hath sent me

compare with
isaiah 45:19 so you will know who is speaking



then when you are done, come and tell me who was also saying in Zech 2:8 and 11 who was sent by the Lord of Hosts.

the truth is what i bring to you, will you accept it. there is a more than one person nature about God. these persons are three yet act as one.

ijawkid:

Oboy why u dey jump verses 14 and 15??.......

Why u dey jump am??......

Let us get to whom was sent in verse 16....

am waiting....who was sent

clue: show where Cyrus altered a single word in those verses

the personthat spoke in verse 14 and 15 is he different from the person thatsaid in verse 13: mine hand hath also laid the foundation........when i call unto them, they stand up together. [then enter verse 14] all ye, assemble yourselves and hear

am waiting
who spoke

alexis:

This bone you are giving them to crack is pretty HARD mate

lanrexlan: Bro tintingz,me join you jare.I'm fed up wasting my time with these trinitarians,ours is to convey the message,only Allah guides to the straight path.....Peace

so easy like that, where are your wiseman skills have you lost them. ehyah.

when alexis has started praising you for being different from the pack of the likes of tintingz who cant settle their heads down to have a common sense one to one conversation, you now want to go bacck. eh kpele

the questions are still there, the fact that you cant answer just shows one thing. you dont want to speak the truth for yourself. you dont want to see the truth for yourself.

simple question, you cant answer. yoou said something, am now asking you based on what you yourself said. its now difficult to clear yourself up.

its me deSika still saying. the truth stands in your face, your own is to take it

PhenomenonVFX: Hmmm. Interesting thread. I was too busy to get into the fray.


This is not true. History is filled with so many people who fought for a cause and then abandoned their cause to start fighting for their enemies instead. Anyone can get disillusioned at any time.

What did Paul stand to gain?
Mazaje already answered that. Let me add to it
To understand what Paul stood to gain from Christianity, we have to try to look at his life before then. This is someone who was vigorously persecuting Christians. What did he gain by that? Power. Recognition. Respect. In a religious environment, he was trying to make a name as the most devout pharisee. The bible does not tell us much about his life then. So we dont actually know what made him change to Christianity. It could be that he wasnt getting the respect or recognition he desired. Or maybe he offended some fellow pharisees and they started getting jealous and plotting to kill him so he decided to join his victims who would be happy to have the murderer with them than against them. Or maybe he felt guilty for killing too many people and decided that helping Christianity spread will be an atonement for his sins. This is the same Paul who has about 3 different versions of his conversion story.

em sir, pls keep coming with the "or maybes",when you are done please let us know. or maybe he was offered amnesty by the christians, or maybe he decamped because the pharisee where getting more corrupt, they were not paying him enough and as such he had to decamp.....or maybe........

ijawkid:

The one in isaiah 48:14-16......

Now you tell me who fulfilled that prophecy.....

Its not about quoting random scriptures which you barely understand,its about getin to the end of it.....

Oya......

Na who God use take destroy the babylonians to free him people to go rebuild the walls of Jerusalem....

hehehe uhm so wat about chapter 42 and 61.

stop confusing yourself
first start with who was speaking.

isaiah 48:16
come ye near unto me, hear ye this; i have not spoken in secret from [size=16pt] the beginning; [/size] from the time that it was, there am I: and now [size=14pt] THE LORD GOD, [/size] and his [size=14pt] SPIRIT [/size] Hath sent [size=14pt] ME [/size]


who is saying
come ye near unto me, hear ye this; i have not spoken in secret from [size=16pt] the beginning; [/size] from the time that it was, there am I:

who is saying in verse 13
mine hand has also laid the foundation of the earth

ijawkid:


New American Standard Bible
(©1995)
Then Solomon assembled the
elders of Israel and all the heads
of the tribes, the leaders of the
fathers' households of the sons of
Israel, to King Solomon in
Jerusalem, to bring up the ark of
the covenant of the LORD from
the city of David, which is Zion.
King James Bible (Cambridge


_________________________

Let us fix Yahweh instead of solomon in that verse and tell me if you guys won't quote this scripture to prove that one Yahweh assembled elders to another Yahweh......


Then Yahweh assembled the elders to Yahweh in Jerusalem..........


Please let's go.....

And I want you to tell me when this prophecy was fulfilled so that we can know if this annointed person was Yahweh.....

This prophecy was fulfilled on cyrus whom God used to deliver the isrealites from the babylonians and the chaldeans.......

So let us start wondering if cyrus was the Yahweh that was sent.....

Its not about quoting scriptures which you tend to twist with your twisted trinitarian mind,its about getting to the end and seeing if Yahweh was the one that was sent or a member of the proposed Godhead ....

Oya.....

i have cleared up that one for you man. its a situation of pronoun and noun.

its different when the person is actually talking. forexample when deSika tells you that deSika has sent him. dont you get it. who is the Yahwah that sent the other Yahweh. did he send himself. am sure you get it now

what you need to do foryourself is to show where Cyrus made a speech in that verse, where he called himsellf Yahweh and then said another Yahweh sent him.

but as it stands. the Yahweh who spoke also gave us hint that he created everything, which your Cyrus did not do, he also said there is no God beside him. then before he now said Yahweh and his spirit has sent him.

so do yourself the favour settledown and read Isaiah 45 - 48 and then see who has been speaking all aloong and who said Yahweh has sent him

peace

true2god: Do u knw there are many verses that rendered the father as 'mighty God' as well? Im still shocked that 'mighty' and 'almighty' is now ur bones of contention. Thats a great height of desperation on the part of the watchtower org, u r not to blame cos u r just following wat they teach u as 'gospel truth'.

thats what i call dodgetiantis.

one minute they tell you the father alone is God. when youshow them where Jesus is called God, they telll you that we are all God as well. when you show where Jesus is called mighty God. they tell you that the father is almighty God, while Jesus is mighty God.

the funny thing is that isaiah 10:21 calls the father mighty God.

added to that is the everlasting father that Jesus is called. they cant see why Jesus and the father are everlasting father at same time.

ijawkid:

Now may I ask you.....

When was this prophecy fulfilled??.....

Its time we get down to business so that your foolishness can be exposed....I left you for a while so that you can dance around with yourself......

When we get to when this prophecy was fulfilled then we would infact know who was sent and then know if the person was Yahweh......

I gave a perfect example of how Jewish texts were sometimes rendered like in the case of solomon I evoked.......

Now let's start....

Who was this person that was sent and when did he come??......

which prophecy are you talking about.
the one in
isaiah 48:16 or 42:1 or 61:1.

the message is clear, stop dancing around.

you asked why must it be three and i have shown you
there you have your three persons involved

cleanvessel:

Thanks for job well done.

if i may add

why would Muhammad change direction of prayers from kabba to Jerusalem and then back to kabba, if he was sure that Abraham built a place that God commaded him to build for worship.

If Abraham was asked by Allah to build a house of worship. why change direction of prayer from a God ordained house of prayer.

deSika:
Series 2

THE 'MORE THAN ONE PERSON' NATURE OF GOD – how many are they

it baffles me when i see self professed christians attacking the concept of trinity calling it pagan originated, satan inspired ideas. I say within myself, these people dont know that they are attacking the very bible which they carry.

Ijawkid and friends seem to have a problem with the no 3, why must it be 3, they ask, why not 10 or 5 billion. So lets go to the scriptures to see what it says. Tighten your seatbelts, its gonna be a long ride.

First bustop
isaiah 48:16
come ye near unto me, hear ye this; i have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, there am I: and now [size=14pt] THE LORD GOD, [/size] and [size=14pt] his SPIRIT [/size] Hath sent [size=14pt] ME [/size]

The person speaking identifies himself as the first and the last in verse 12, the foundation layer of the heavens and earth in v13. Then in verse 16 he says the Lord God and his spirit has sent him.
So we here we see
1. the speaker [me],
2. the lord God and
3. the spirit.
Thats how many, 3 persons.

Isaiah 42:1
behold my [size=14pt] servant, [/size] whom [size=14pt] I [/size] uphold, mine elect, in whom my soul delighted, i have put my [size=14pt] spirit [/size] upon him, he shall bring forth Judgement to the gentiles. Here again we see 3 persons

In Isaiah 61:1
the person sent with the goodnews (gospel) says the lord had anointed him. We also the see the spirit of God upon him. That again is 3 persons

deSika: @truthislight
I don’t know how you managed to dodge these lecture series i gave previoously

Series 1
Now lets go into the scriptures.

THE 'MORE THAN ONE PERSON' NATURE OF GOD

Gen 1:26 And God said let us make man in our image according to our likeness.[why does this verse not read: and God said let him make man in his image according to his likeness, your guess is as good as mine. More than one persons are involved yet in verse 27 it says and God created man in his image. My question is why would it say “let us make man” and then go on to say “God created man”. Did the persons that were asked “let us” did they decline the request.” Let us make” means that many people are to be involved, “and God made” means that those many persons are one ]

gen 3:22
...then the lord God said "behold the man has become like one of us

gen 11:7
come let us go down but does not say in verse 8 "so the lords scattered." instead it says "so the lord". How can one lord be 'us'. Or did it happen that the other persons that were beckoned on refused to act with the speaker.
Its only teaching us that there is a more than one person nature about God yet these persons act as one.

The word used for God is Elohim a plural now yet is used as if he is one.

So who are the persons that make up the Elohim

i noticed you and yur friend Ijawkid did not have anything to say to these verses as they are so clear. thats the truth for you bro. when you hear the word do not harden your hearts. Salaam

truthislight: which truth ?

the truth contained here

deSika:
series 3

So could Jesus be God almigthy.

Hmm, big question but lets go to the scriptures.

isaiah 48 :16 World English bible
48:16 Come you near to me, hear you this; from the beginning I have not spoken in secret; from the time that it was, there am I: and now the [size=14pt] Lord Yahweh [/size] has sent [size=14pt] me, [/size] and [size=14pt] his Spirit. [/size]

The speaker above says in In Isaiah 45:15 that “ I am Yahweh, and there is none else. Besides me, there is no God. I will strengthen{or, equip} you, though you have not known me;”
He also says in verse 12 that “Listen to me, O Jacob, and Israel my called: I am he; I am the first, I also am the last.” And in verse 13 that “Yes, my hand has laid the foundation of the earth, and my right hand has spread out the heavens:”

So who is this God that says there is no God beside him, that says he created the universe yet he is sent by another Lord Yahweh and his Spirit. This Yahweh is definitely Jesus

Malachi 3:1 [World English bible]
3:1 "Behold, I send my messenger, and he will prepare the way before me; and the Lord, whom you seek, will suddenly come to his temple; and the messenger of the covenant, whom you desire, behold, he comes!" says Yahweh of Armies.


Here the Yahweh of Armies is saying he will send his messenger( this is obviously John the baptist) to prepare the way before him (the Yahweh of Armies). Here it seems John the baptist is to prepare the way before the Yahweh of Armies . But John came to prepare way for Jesus. Does it mean that Jesus is the Yahweh of Armies. Am sure you are getting the picture. Why would Jesus call him self the Lord of host. Take note of this "Behold, I send my messenger, and he will prepare the way before me….. says Yahweh of Armies.”

Zechariah 2:10,11 [World English bible]
Sing and rejoice, daughter of Zion; for, behold, I come, and I will dwell in the midst of you,' says Yahweh.

Many nations shall join themselves to Yahweh in that day, and shall be my people; and I will dwell in the midst of you, and you shall know that [size=14pt] Yahweh of Armies has sent me to you. [/size]



Hosea 1:7

But I will have mercy on the house of Judah, and will save them by Yahweh their God, and will not save them by bow, sword, battle, horses, or horsemen."


the person speaking is Yahweh, yet he says he will save the people by Yahweh their God. He was definitely not talking about himself or else he would have used “i will save them by my hand”
The Lord is saying that he will save them by the Yahweh their God. He will save them by Jesus the lord thier God. now lets link this us with matthew 1:21 "and she shall bring forth a son,and thou shalt call his name Jesus; for he shall save his people from thier sins and acts 4:12 ....for there is no other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved .

From the above, we have seen a personality who says he is Yahweh, yet speaks about another Yahweh.

would you want to argue with the above verses. these verses clearly explain
1. the more than one person nature of God
2. the number of persons
3. the identity of the persons

i hope this helps you.

bible verses talking about a Yahweh speaking about another Yahweh. dont say you didnt see them o.

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ijawkid:

See this alomo bitters drinker......

bro, i noticed you ran away from my thread, not responding to the bible verses i brought to you from the old testament. seems you just derive pleasure living in falsehood.

i just noticed that Lanrexlan and Maclatunji actualy select my posts they can respond to and leave out the ones where i asked questions.

you guys have not still answered me.
Mac
1. who is going to change what laws and when
2. how will shirk cease to be shirk on judgement day

Lanrexlan
this is what you said

lanrexlan: What I am trying to explain is that [size=15pt]there's no way you have a picture of Allah in your mind without giving the resemblance to one of His creature and this will go against tawheed [/size].....Peace

i am now asking.
you seem to be banking on the word "judgement day" to continue deceiving yourself. now since they have not seen Allah before this time, [size=15pt] this picture they would have of Allah would it not have a resemblance to one of Allah's creatures [/size] and as such go against the tawheed.


i wont be surprised if you dont answer again. thats what falsehood can do to you

obadiah777: STOP DROPPING ILLUMINATI SIGNS

lol
so wats the symbolical interpretation of the sign

Ijawkid ijawkid ijawkid how many times did i call you. So you are still defending your falsehood with dodgetiantis here Ijawkid ijawkid ijawkid how many times did i call you. So you are still defending your falsehood with dodgetiantis here

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If i say Wiseman Lanrexlan is a wiseman, you people will think am being sarcastic. But listen to what the wise man has to say

lanrexlan: What I am trying to explain is that there's no way you have a [size=13pt] picture of Allah in your mind without giving the resemblance to one of His creature [/size] and this will go against tawheed.....Peace

the above has made me to ask the following question.

The image that those muslims had of Allah what was it.

Since we know that they have never seen Allah before to know how Allah really looks like. This picture they have of him, would it not have resemblance to one of Allah's creatures. And as such go against tawheed

...waiting for wiseman Lanrexlan and Mac to come do justice to this

truthislight:

so now have you seen the truth. And will you accept it

maclatunji: ^Your point is invalid. The questions to be asked on the day of judgement will not affect the already determined outcome of the destination of each individual.

It is like your teacher who already knows that you have failed asking you: 'what did you do with all your free time?' whilst handling you your report card.

You can give any answer you like, but it won't change your result.

#Ha!

my points are invalid to you because you are engaging in a warped way of reasoning

i have shown you the difference between your report card story and the judgment day ish.

An act is an act. Whether in heaven or on earth. Shirk is shirk whether you are in heaven or earth.

1. The hadith says Allah will appear to them in the image they had of him and not the image they will have or were having of him on that day. That presupposes that they had the image before judgement day. That clearly is shirk according to Wiseman. How Allah appears to shirk commiting muslims beats my imagination. Does he love shirk

2.even if i assume that they neva had the image before judgement day, that they will have the image on that day (which is not what the hadith says). It still boils down to 'is having image of Allah' shirk or not. If its a shirk why must it be commited at all whether on judgement day or not.
By the way you dodged the questions again.