hakeem4:
well! you can decide to believe in one or as many gods as possible, that is your business. the only question i have is which of the theistic god is true, and what evidence to back up the claim

Thank you for helping me mind my business.
God exists, that is the message of this thread!
The evidence is everywhere. The ones science are proving for you are small compare to what science cannot prove or is yet to even have a method or tool for probing. Yet, all that exists have their timing, functions and arrangement without man's input. Look within you and beyond yourself and know that all that exists couldn't have come from nothing.

LordReed:
By what means did you come to believe a god exists? You just intuited it?

The history of man reinforces that natural knowledge/instinct of the existence of God and a need to connect with Him. And what is more, the universe is a testament to the fact that God exists, if He didn't, who created all that exists including those men are yet to discover? the big bang theory?

Bluezy13:
You believe there is God.
You don't belong to any religion.

I never said I do not belong to a religion. That religion is a problem doesn't mean I don't subscribe to one; I'm not just a strict devotee

You think religion is individualistic, everybody is an inventor of his own.

I do not think that. However, at various points, somebody rises to start a movement which others subscribe to for various reasons.
To be cheeky, please research how many denominations Christianity alone has in existence right now and answer your question by yourself

You believe there is God...that means God is somewhere, occupying a place, a location.
Where ??

I wish I had an answer for that. However, do you know how vast our universe is and how nano-particle-like size our earth is? As a pro-science person that you seem to be, you should be aware of the multiverse theory which means there are likely other universes apart from ours.

You don't belong to any religion, please what is your relationship with this God that you claim exist ?? How do you interact ?? Or you just believe there is God and that is all ??

THERE IS A GOD but religion is the problem. I never said I don't belong to a religion and that should answer your other questions.

No quest to decipher the mystery behind his existence ??

There is no mystery behind His existence! The abundance of His marvelous creations are enough proof that He exists and all I bother myself with is how to be a good person and not fall short of His grace and mercy.

If there is God, that means God is a person, being, intelligence, thing or form.

hehehe God is not a person as some Christianity make you assume. [s]talking about the creation of man in His image and that we are gods too[/s].

If a person, who is he ??

Sacrilegious to assume God to be a person! God is God... the Almighty!

If a being, what essence is he ??

The Supreme Being, the One that was before anything else and the One that will continue to be after everything else has seized to exist.
If an Intelligence, How comes his existence ?? Everything was designed and arranged by Him including those that seem like disasters to us. Nothing on our earth or the universe escapes him or happens outside His knowledge!

If a thing, What is he ??
If a form, What form ??

This is outside the capacity of man's best knowledge

I'm not after the argument about God and religion. I'm after the existence of the "God" himself.

Religion only serves as an avenue to connect to God and yes, this thread is about the existence of God.

I find it amusing how people get so excited about science and what it can do now.
Look! There is nothing man has created or invented without taking elements or materials from the world/God's creation. The most intelligent of designs or inventions of men copy their functionality from what already exists in animals, plants, environment etc... That science can now explain and even replicate some natural processes or phenomenons doesn't in anyway bring to question the existence of God for those who are wise. If anything, it shows how all that exists couldn't have come from nothingness but from a Supreme being.

We can't discuss the way to God when we don't even know God himself/itself.

Religion should help you do that sir. Yes, religion is the problem but some are more wholesome than others. Pick the one that resonates with you

I'm a Freethinker.

Good for you

budaatum:

"Rubbing stones together like our forefathers did" is the equivalent of not learning anything since one's forefathers. Even one's forefathers would call one stupid for ignoring everything one has learnt since then. You might as well ask me to communicate with drums instead of using modern technology.

Please, read to understand. I used the rubbing stone analogy to show you that you wont think of that because we already have channels of getting fire quickly and without stress. Although the need for fire is there, you wont think of it like our forefathers did which is because the humanity we enjoy today is benefiting from incremental accumulation of knowledge.

budaatum:

Religion is a platform for learning and advancement, and not just doing what one's forefathers did. Believing what one's forefathers believed, believing at all, instead of learning and understanding, is just plain dumb. Some might like being that way, but I think that would be against God's command that one "Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky and over every living creature that moves on the ground", and be blessed. It would also be a waste of Christ who's entire existence and teachings was to reduce ignorance and stupidity and live.

And here you are quoting supposedly "God words and Christ's life" without believing in them.
Religion is a platform for learning, advancement, integration, growth and much more. Absolutely true! I never said anything to the contrary like I clarified in the previous quote. We've learnt from our forefathers and we dont revert to their ways because of where we are today. However, that does not mean that we dont have the same instincts, drives and needs as they did back then... we just have better channels for them now.

budaatum:

You wouldn't have any knowledge of a Supreme Being if no one indoctrinated you to believe in one through religion, and the only natural instinct being fulfilled by it is that if ignorance which education would fill if you allowed it.

It is easy for you to say this because of how much man has achieved in development. When you need fire, why don't your brain think of rubbing stones together like our forefathers did? You easily grab some matches or lighter or something electrical because they have been created. Same with religion; that primal drive already has a platform in existence already.

It was you who said you don't understand, and not me. Go read yourself again.

Stop misquoting me

Blame God? Me? You need to go find out about me instead of allowing your "natural instinct" to delude you. buda does not believe and was not born into a religion.

Indeed, little knowledge can be a dangerous thing! I don't need to find anything out about you because I don't give a hoot about you in the actual sense. I am engaging you in conversation because I started this thread and I will debate it with whoever shows up for the benefit of anybody that views it and not just for who I'm interacting with.

You don't believe or weren't born into it and shouldn't care either. Yet, here you are talking about something that shouldn't be your business by your own submission. How come you are the only entity that has bothered to post on this thread despite not being the only other person that has viewed it? What's the pull or your fascination about this?

budaatum:

It is unfortunate that "believe there is God" tends to come from "Religion" which you have identified as the problem, which you've further shown by stating "doesn't have to make sense to you either", which just goes to show how much of a problem it can be.

You need to read my post again. Religion only tries to provide a platform for the natural instinct of man and its need for a connection to the Supreme Being. The resason you think knowledge of God comes from religion is because of how we are now born into it and how societies have been formed around religion. It is interesting how you can muddle up the first and last statement to create a problem that doesn't exist.

Imagine being asked to believe in the existence of a thing that makes no sense to you. Won't you ask why, at least? In fact, lets try it. Believe the earth is flat. Or that nothing evolves. Let me know how that goes.

It does not make sense to you because the religion you grew up in programmed you with certain bogus believes that defy logic. A lot of those beliefs you probably believed and held as golden rules once upon a time dont exist in other religions or even variations of the same religion you grew up in. How then do you blame God for what the founders of your religion documented with their limited knowledge? Evolution, science and space exploration are products of man's intellectual development and doesn't remotely suggest man's independence, rather it provokes thoughts of how marvellous the universe is and how much more we dont know yet... all of which cannot be attributed to nothingness or random arrangements.

In my opinion, a god that requires stupidity and ignorance should be judged, found guilty, and taken to the bottom of the river and have its head bashed in so it stops existing, unless it wasn't that same god that put a brain in one's head hoping one would use it.

All sorts of gods exist and you can do that to them. However, God created you with that brain to think and understand the world you live in and see how all fit together and appreciate its Maker. So, yes, use your brain to think about all these ideas and questions and you might find answers.

An Almighty God cannot demand such ignorance and stupidity and would most definitely require understanding or would not have bothered sending so many prophets and Jesus Christ to come teach you about God

All those prophets had one central message which is; THERE IS A GOD and only him should be worshipped. And then other stuffs like live right, love, be kind, do good etc.

The real ignorance and stupidity is thinking or believing that man exist for existing sake... that man, the earth, solar system and other planetary bodies, the animals in all their various kinds and features, water, the sun and moon and how they have delicately defined paths/timing and everything else just came into existence on there own. That right there would be the highest level of stupidity and gross misuse or abuse of the brain!

I believe there is God.

Religion is the problem! Humans are flawed and have used their limited brains to try to define or explain God which is why we have different expressions in thousands of different religions.

Because man's nature acknowledges the existence of God, people from time immemorial have tried to give a context to that connection using limited wisdom, greed, fear, control and societal factors in their explanations. Infact, this primal knowledge or instinct even before the coming of the prophets led people to worship "incredible phenomenoms" including large stones, seas, the sun, the moon and other exotic concepts.

All religions are man's creation "for the worship of God" and it is understandable for religion to not make sense sometimes or be able to explain everything all the time because times change. God is God and any teaching about Him that has got you bewildered should be attributed to the founders of that religion and its spiritual leaders for insight.

It is wrong to "judge" God based on the teachings of your religion or others because they are popular around where you live. See religion as a school of thought that that tries to explain life and connect you to God. The only real truth is that God exists.

Nobody has a recording or video of God giving him instructions on how we should live or worship him. So, if some prophet told you he heard from God and has documented things you think doesn't make sense, blame it on the religion and leave God out of the confusion. There exists a lot of religions and some with many variations all serving or presenting men's perspective.

So, dont be obsessed with that your religion, be mild and observe the key principles that are universal in most religions that foster peace, love and progress for mankind, the environment and glorifies God.

If you do not believe in God, then you must believe in science because it provides "cause-effect evidence". However, the big bang theory cannot explain, prove or justify our existence, the world and how everything fits and integrates seamlessly.

If you know how tiny the planet earth is in view of the milky way and other galaxies, you'd realize how infinitesimal man is despite the capacity of his "evolving" brain.

Regardless of how you feel and intellectualize this topic, the grand masterplan/design is in force and whether you like it or not: by omission or commission, it must come to pass!

And no, it doesn't have to make sense to you either.

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I have nothing to say about this.

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Uninterrupted so far... proof that Nigeria can be good when interests are not in play and the demons are resting
Enjoying a premier league filled day in some peace and quiet

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Compliments of the season somebody
Unbox the boxes with love y'all

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seunmsg:


Since ASUU members don’t want to join IPPIS like other federal workers, they should look for money to pay themselves. Henceforth, FG will no longer pay federal university lecturers that are not captured on the IPPIS platform from the consolidated revenue fund. They want financial autonomy, they will get it. FG should stop funding personnel cost of federal universities. Let the university councils go and look for money to pay them.

Nigerianization:


Thanks for the education. But how can we marry the contradiction of FINANCIAL AUTONOMY and the inability of Nigerian universities to survive independently of government funding.

It is the students that will suffer! So, be careful what you wish for. Even if you've graduated, remember that you have younger ones coming up.

Have you guys tried to ask yourselves why studying in state universities cost more than federal universities? Higher Education isn't cheap anywhere in the world. If the FG decides to say universities should source there funds fully on their own, then expect private universities kinda fees.

IPPIS is good but not that great. It costs the government billions to keep it running yearly. IPPIS isn't in use in most developed countries and doesn't fit all kinds of systems. IPPIS itself is a corrupt platform!

Yes, ASUU likes to cry too much, but the status quo must be maintained and if the government is interested in fighting corruption, it should find other means.

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They made noise in the last assembly but, no notable achievement comes to mind for their time there.
#Losers

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Hope the entrepreneurs that will benefit will also receive them as grants.
Before the business man will turn free money to loan for personal gain.

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How much was budgeted for education and health?

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See aunty, aunty wey....

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As long as they're killing each other only, let them kontinue...
There's no single real gain in these hungry cults (association of idiotic buffoons)

Nonsense and sars

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Not bad

Tall tales of brief men

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Fake list... where is bubu on the list?

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OP, you forgot to add hunger... when beta hunger wire you, you go creative by force.

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Wetin contractor no go see for site?
This country's problems are too numerous.... Like leadership, like followers!
I won't be surprised if those figures were inflated.

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...and the girl gives the guy the benefit of sex while she on the other hand recieves the benefit of money (material things) right? Just no feelings involved

Looks like a private olosho arrangement to me.

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The GOAT that doesn't bleat.
Doing best what he loves to do without noise.

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Power is sweet

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Everybody's got a price and he could comfortably afford them both.
This life is funny sha

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Ghen ghen... the action film is on!
Will he go and face trial free willingly or be extradited?
Either way, will Air Peace fly him there or an American airline?
Was there real fraud relating to theft or just misuse of accounts that looks shady?
How will this affect the Nigerian angle of law and business around this individual?
...many plots to be twisted and revealed soon.

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Different level...

Ask around, I'm a real confidant
Larger than life, I'm no ant.
Even your aunt knows that I dont recant
Because I've got huge eggplants like that
My rants give food to your food for thoughts.

That's why I always ask...
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Texas... those cowboys don't play.
This thread is more about the cars US presidents use

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joecheezeman:


There is actually a wide difference between Psychiatry and psychology.

By wide difference, you mean psychiatrists can prescribe medications while psychologists cannot, right? For your information, some states in the USA have granted psychologists (clinical) the right to prescribe drugs and more states will soon follow suite.

joecheezeman:

Mental Health is actually in the purview of Psychiatrists and other psychiatric health workers like psychiatric nurses, pharmacists, psychotherapists or clinical psychologists (not psychologists), occupational therapists, social workers, etc.

More like saying medical doctors (GP) are excluded from mental health because they haven't or didn't specialize in psychiatry...

The way I see it, you're too hard-focused on disorders and illnesses and by extension, you're missing the point. And that is why you are recognizing only clinical psychologists because you find them more in clinical settings.

You probably need to revisit the definition of mental health and who a psychogists is.
Anything that has to do with cognition, thinking, feeling, behaviour, stress, trauma, distress, productivity, sense of wellbeing, relationships, psychological disorders and many more areas are mental health issues and are the business of psychologists in all subfields not just clinical psychology. Mental health is not just about mental disorders and disease.

joecheezeman:

[s]So my dear, the Psychology Council bill has nothing to do with this bill. [/s]

Wrong! As long as mental health is the subject, ALL psychologists are concerned.

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And there shall be some royal introduction to za oza room too later.
Wa fe ku lalyei on the guy's mind in that second pic

So, for the rest of the day, do not disturb becsuse oba is very busy.

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d33types:


What practitioners? Psychology is very different from mental health (psychiatry) okay.


It's clinical psychology which is closer to mental health you meant to say

Professor, clinical psychology is a subdivision of psychology... not a different field and the psychology council bill covers all psychologists. Even forensic psychologists rely on the knowledge of insights on behaviour and mental processes to explain and give expert witness testimonies in legal contexts. In other words, mental health is the business of psychologists.

Psychiatry focuses on the medication of mental illnesses because they are medical doctors who can prescribe drugs.

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