Poor manager. Very helpless and timid. The club didn't give him any player and the players have refused to play as a team. But he won the carling cup last season, so the vision is clear. But if its not, blame the structure and those at the helm

maik99:


You refer to Arteta and Klopp but you must forget that with those, the project was clear from day one. Arteta won an FA cup in his first season playing exactly the way he plays now. It was not perfect but you could see the vision.
The absolute lack of direction is my problem with ten hag. And no amount of "building" should mean that we have almost zero good games in an entire season and be dragging stats with Luton and Sheffield

To be fair we had one good half against Villa where we came back from 2 goals

lekkie073:
the two....

Maybe you should try to separate both first and you will get a clearer picture of the terrible situation we are in

lekkie073:
and how did Klopp fare in his early seasons?

Are you referring to the result or how they played?

MRTA7:


My only issue with this is that the players he has brought in for lots of money are barely any better.

Let's blame the structure

lekkie073:

This questions can only be answered by those at the helms bro. How do you expect me to provide answer to this.

However, consistency is only possible when players have a perfect understanding of what the manager wants to achieve and they strive towards this objective. But while doing this, they may or may not get the desired results. The consequence of this is 'pressure on the manager'.



In my own opinion, manager is not the club's major problem. Team cohesion is more important and this can only be achieved when players have better understanding of themsleves on the pitch.

No matter how good Mainoo is, if there is no proper understanding between him, Casemiro and Fernandes, we will continue to see disjointed movements. The same goes for Garnacho, Hojlund and whoever makes the attack line.

This also goes for the defence set up.

Invariably, a team becomes better when the individual players play as a unit, not as individuals. Our players are yet to really play as a unit, probably because there is a lack of understanding amongst them

You know this is an indictment on the coach right? He is not just there to select match day squad, and call out some players while the whole world can see others that have been underwhelming for a long time now

ChristoBam:

Let's be realistic. We've still got things to fight for this season. We'll play the best way we probably can to get us across the line. Season's been all about survival for a while now.

How's the manager a part of this shit structure we've had for more than 10 years now?

Of course we still have things to fight for. What's your minimum expectation for this season?

lekkie073:

Good football.... What is good football?

Is it possession football?
Is it counter attacking football?
Is it gengen pressing?
Is it tikitaka?
Is it transition football?


Football on the field depends on either the club's footballing philosophy or the manager's football philosophy.


Inter Milan has been more consistent over the years in the Italian league. I don't know if they play good football or not. But at least, they have been consistent.

The early days of Jose in Chelsea, with the likes of Essien, Makelele, Obi, Lampard. They played a kind of football, I don't know if it can be called good football but I bet Chelsea fans enjoy watching the team week-in week-out.

Good football, just like beauty, is in the eyes of the beholder.


I don't know what you refer to as good football but I know that Consistency with a particular football philosophy is what brings glory and success.

Sorry ignore good football. Let's use your own which is consistency with a particular football philosophy. Going into next season, what's the particular football philosophy at Old Trafford?

ChristoBam:

Just one or two years under a good structure is what most of us are even asking for.

It's not even difficult but most just want that new excitement that comes with getting a new manager.

What most actually want is what looks like a plan or actually a plan. Something we can build on going into the next season.

Do you think the manager is not a part of this structure and helpless?

lekkie073:
arsenal seems to be playing good football and getting results now. How long did they wait to get to where they are.

For close to 30 years, a once dominant force (Liverpool) was in the abyss of mediocrity. Even as at now, they are yet to beat their chest to say they have arrived.

If mancity should continue with their spending and Guardiola continues getting his like-for-like replacements, then it's gonna being ride for manutd because we are not even ready to compete. For now, only Liverpool and arsenal seems to have the stability needed to compete with mancity

So looking at how Arsenal, City, LFC and co started under this their current coaches, how long do you think is okay to endure rubbish? I hope you won't reference 30 years ago again o.

I'm not talking about actually competing for major trophies, just to see consistent good football

@lekkie073 how long do you think is enough to wait and see us play a good game considering we're not stuck in 1990 and can't be making reference to that era? Every other team is moving and moving fast, so how long? Remember we're not even talking about winning trophies or contesting for trophies, like just have a good game consistently.

AdisaOwala:


Luckily for the lad, season don almost end.

Na England I pity for Euros if they decide to hinge their hopes on the boy (he would most likely be worn out by then)

I even hope he does not pick up an injury. Also ETH has been substituting him around 70 minutes so hopefully he is not that worn out. But then Mount is fit now and we paid good money for him, so I don't understand the problem

MRTA7:

I read somewhere that he has about 30 straight starts this season.

When we were clamoring for ETH to start this boy and drop Rashford or Antony, I didn't know ETH will run him to the ground as a punishment. Mainoo is next

It wasn't this worse when I knew we're going nowhere with ETH. If he can't coach this team to be compact, then he's very useless

MRTA7:


Who should have started instead?

Amad?

odizeey:
This one no be muke muke football.

See as ball sweet.

Christobam prefers Ten Hag ball.

Donut tactics is the best

That would have been a penalty in EPL

larride:
Agenda time.

So those who told us DDG was the reason we were facing too many shot last season, how far?

Onana replacement at Inter, Yan Sommer has 17 clean sheet in Seria A, the highest clean sheet in the league.

If you know you are guilty of the agenda against DDG last season, make una just queue to collect una big fat L.

Most of them have taken their fat Ls and disappeared from here. The main problem which is the midfield is still there

Casemiro is just fed up with everything at this point

At this point casemiro is playing against us

Why the panicking?

Casemiro is done. He should be out

Roland17:


Baba, I Dey show my workings na..

Just tell the bald one to do me small favor.

Dey play

Time still plenty sha. ETH should bring freshness to this midfield abeg.

This Rasmus should try to stay on his more abeg

LMAO united will always give you a game against the top teams

raumdeuter:
Mainoo needs a real club like Bayern not this clown club

You say?

Roland17:


Pity me small na.. Na beg I dey beg. It has been 20 years..

Better go and show your own workings

Roland17:
Let’s go Man Utd!!!

To where?

nitrogen:


And there were over 5 players running for the counterattack.

Again, Bruno with stupid passes. Who we offend na?

All of them running at full speed. Some of our players were jogging back.

See Case jogging back. We really have simple decisions to make at the end of the season

The speed at which lfc players run is just amazing. We're very far behind