I can't believe I got caught in a web arguing with a grown up with a child's mentality, who thinks that empty boasts make a man.  You really think that you are more concerned about Igbo unity and probably more Igbo than others. O dikwa ihe m na agaghi inu na naira land ?

I would have advised you to back up your talks with some good walks, but you don't even talk a good game, so how can you walk it ?

I am fair minded and I never judge groups and that is why you don't see me engaging in ethnocentric mud slinging. I only defend my own from your type, when I feel like it, but I don't let your type drag me down to their level. You can talk all the talk, but when jungle mature, we go know who be who.

Only people with mob animal instincts would blame the actions of a few on a whole group. I asked you to juxtapose the notion of many Nigerians from other ethnic groups regarding 1966 coup with your position on Orji/Abians and you failed to tell the difference.

Obviously, you thrive on stereotypes so this is my last chat with you. Goodluck.

Onlytruth:

Posted by: FACE
If you truly believe that this action will not affect all Abians, then your naivety knows no bounds. You keep referring to my point on this as "childish", and I keep laughing because even some kids have historically led oldest men and gave them great insights into the realities of life. Some of the leaders of the most powerful countries in the world today are not the oldest. So I can understand if you are unable to read the tealeaves and "know whats up". If you are hurt by my haranguing of Abia state, you know the way to Umuahia. Don't blame the wrong guy. If Abia state is not in SE, I would not give a damn. That is why you've never seen me trying to convince people who deny being Igbo otherwise. If there is only Anambra, or even my family alone as Igbo, I would happily take it. I want to  be able to take pride in my tribe as a smart group. You say you are against it, and then you come here to make a couple of posts, go home and open a bottle of beer, and chuckle.  
I repeat,  no single Igbo group gains more from Igbo unity. We all gain.
And anybody or group of Igbo (Abia state in this instance) that undermine it in any way are foools.  
T.A. Orji alone is NOT Abia state. He has people around him. Where are they all?

The last time I checked the history (or distortion of it) affects ALL Igbos.

Just like you would like your own history of distortion to affect all Abians. An honest man knows that individuals are to be blamed for their actions not groups.

Some rants like:

I have always warned that no Igbo group benefits more from Igbo unity. EVERY Igbo gains from it. I may feel strongly about it because I know it is avoidable this time. It doesn't mean it hurt me more. It probably would at the end hurt Abians more.

are very childish and without substance, so take your threat elsewhere.

Abia has failed Ndigbo terribly. And when the "ufu na ebu okuko" comes to ra-pe Ndigbo, we will remember that Abia contributed handsomely to our weakness as a group.

Another childish and empty threat. Learn to lay your blames at the right door steps. When the chips are down, we will know what's up.

For all reasonable people here, What Orji did was wrong and without human face and I think that the victims should take Abia govt to court for violating their rights to work in any part of the federation. However, only a dumb person would shift the blame to FACE, his family and other Abians.

Chinenye said that he does not support Orji and some people are busy arguing with him as if they have mind reading abilities.

Someone made bold to call Abians fools and I objected, he came back and called all Abians FOOLS and feels cool about it. He thinks that all Abians are scheming to treat non Abians unfairly, even when one person (Orji) is responsible for the unfair treatment.

All well and good, what is good for the goose is also good for the gander, so I make bold to say that if all non Abian Ndi Igbo do not condemn the blanket bad mouthing of innocent Abians for the actions of Orji, let no one complain when other Nigerians assert that 1966 coup was an Igbo coup aimed at Igbo domination.

Onlytruth, going forward, you no longer have any moral grounds to dispute that 1966 coup was not carried out by Igbo with the aim of Igbo domination or to argue that the slaughter that followed was not caused by the victims. Lie on the bed you have made.


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Onlytruth, some us have already shown our disgust at Orji and I think it is unfair that you keep referring to Abians rather than Orji. I will say it again that Orji is acting like a gangstar, minimising our potentials in Abia and exposing innocent Abians to unnecessary hostility.

Keep throwing wild punches and hoping to connect. You talk of earliest recorded grouping. Grouping and recording by whom and when ? 3000 years ago ? 300 years ago ? Abagworo years ago ?

Even the facebook page you copied as proof of your knowledge of oldest groups tells you about the origin of many Ohuhu clans other than the present location and you want to tell who that Ohuhu is one of the old clans of the location known as Umuahia ?

You talk about various Igbo clans and how you have interviewed everyone ; Okeke gara army kedu boot ya ?

There is hardly any Igbo dialect that I will not understand, because I have been around and interacted with people. I can comfortably claim Enugu, Abia and Imo as my states and I do claim them as a matter of fact.

I am more interested in languages than you can imagine. I understand Igbo, Hausa, Yoruba and French. Although I stayed in Lagos for a while, I started speaking Yoruba all the way from Kaduna by association with speakers, so don't try to act like you know more than you do when all you do is speculate.

I am done with this topic and you can continue to talk about things you CLEARLY do not know. More google and facebook to your elbow !

Abagworo:

You are a funny guy.So Abagworo wrote Ohuhu history on Ohuhu facebook page.I did not assert any authority to history as you claim.You only seem to know little about your little Ibeku.For a guy who does not know his next door neighbour "Ohuhu" I will not regard you as being cultural.

We are talking about the earliest recorded grouping of Igbos.Ngwa/Ohuhu were grouped together even with Asa,Ndoki and Ezilihite admist them.Oratta/Ikwerre were grouped together even with Ohaji,Egbema and Etche admist them.Isuama was grouped together even with the Oru and Orsu admist them.

I have gone as far as Igbanke,Ezza and Afikpo just to learn how divergent the Igbo spoken those places are.I have interviewed Ogba,Ngwa,Ikwerre,Aboh,Ezza,Ehugbo,Igbanke,Oratta(Owerri),Oguta,Mgbidi and Okija elders on history.Try and do that.

Abagworo,

My root is Ibeku and trust me, I know a lot about Ibeku and our neighbours and I don't need to rely on facebook or google other people's speculations. Ibeku is the biggest and probably the oldest clan in Umuahia and we do not have any history of coming from anywhere, other than interclan movements and ife obi (relocation of settlements)

My kindred, for example, have been in our current location for at least 400 years. It is an educated guess based on who begat who. We still go to the old settlement (1 Mile away) for Ekpe and iriji and in addition to our name, our own settlement is still referred to as "Obu ofuo" (new settlement) even though it is at least 400 years old.

Now, my kindred is only a hamlet of many that make up Ibeku. My clan is one of seven clans that make up Ibeku. Breaking down my Ibeku pedigree, you need to count between 5 and 7 steps (depending on how you count) before you get to the top of the tree (Ibeku).

I believe that we have been there for at least 5000 years if not forever. Even the ohuhu facebook page you posted did not make such a bold claim as you did with regards to Ibeku and Ikwuano. You guys should stop making bold claims and trying to come up with crap.

Abagworo:

Umuahia.Not all Umuahia though.Some parts of Umuahia like Ubakala fall into the Ezilihite group.You know Ikwuano,Ibeku and Ohuhu proper were grouped as Ohuhu.

You guys are funny and it beats me where you all get these stuff from.

He also said " enop is enop" to PENGASIN. Naira was not really N22 to $1 as their was a two tier FEM. Official rate being N22 while parallel rate was 44. The bespectacled one and his cohorts engaged in round tripping of naira, a nice racket for themselves.

He jailed many for corruption and set up Failed bank tribunal, but stashed away more that $6 billion in Swiz account alone.

He was a tyrant, alcoholic, se x maniac and met his waterloo in the bos som of foreign pros.titutes.

Is he still your hero ?

ChinenyeN:

Ezeagu asked me a specific question, of what I mean by Ohnuhnu. So I answered, saying "Ohnuhnu Mbaise" to make a distinction from Ohuhu Umuahia. That's what that "Ohnuhnu Mbaise" meant. Are you interpreting it to mean something else?
One word, or town or community I hear regarding that area is Ekwerazu or so, I believe.

As long as you know that there is no area or group known as Ohnuhnu in Mbaise, that's ok. Therefore, I wonder what you were aiming at when you asked someone what they knew about Ohnuhnu to which Ezeagu asked you where Ohnuhnu was.

Ekwereazu is not "Isoma", so where is this Isoma ? I hope you are not referring to the Isoma term that Owere Nchi-Ise clan use for referring to non- Owere clans (Arugo's decendants), especially those sorrounding clans they call Owerri Isoma ?

ChinenyeN:

I never said nor implied anything stretching from "Ezilihite to Ahiara". Please don't write responses to things I never said.
The northern part of Mbaise, in particular, from what I'm told, and some western border communities.

There is no such thing as Ohunhun Mbaise, period. You were also told wrong about Isoma or maybe you heard wrong ?

Where is northern Mbaise ?

ChinenyeN:

FACE, I'm already familiar with the tradition. It's the first thing every Ngwa learns when learning about their identity.

Then you should know that there is no such thing as Ohunhun Mbaise stretching from "Ezilihite to Ahiara" .

ChinenyeN:

Ezilihite, and some surrounding communities extending into Ahiara, toward the Isoma area.

Where is this Isoma area ?

ChinenyeN:

Ezilihite, and some surrounding communities extending into Ahiara, toward the Isoma area.

My maternal home is Ezinihite and I will tell you the legend you keep referring to. You call them Ohuhu and they refer to you as Nde Ngwa Nzem.

Their legend, which bears a resemblance to Ngwa legend was that they were on a sojourn and when they got to Imo river western bank, they decided to take a break. While they were there, they decided to roast some yams. As they were roasting their yams, a storm was also building and some people decided to cross the Imo before the storm.

Following the storm, Imo burst it's banks and the crossing path was lost. Thus the travellers found themselves on opposite sides of Imo. "Nde Ngwa Nzem (quick/sharp people) a gafee la" was what those that did  not cross said of those that crossed. "Unu noro huwa ji, ndi Ohuhu ji" was what those that crossed said of those that did not cross.

That is why you refer to those on the western bank of Imo as Ohuhu. My mum's village is one of the last villages before the Imo and their immediate neighbours today are Umunwanwa in Umuahia and I have walked the distance before. Ngwa continued their sojourn to their present location.

ChinenyeN:

Ohnuhnu Mbaise, not Umuahia.

Where is this Ohnuhnu Mbaise ?

Sacking disabled residents from schools because their states of origin are elsewhere and in a desperate bid to save money is the height of discrimination/wickedness caused by penury. Any state that needs to sack 30 disabled students from school in a bid to save money deserves to be made a local government of another state. The students do not have their own individual teachers and facilities, they share with other students and it is very malicious to discriminate them as if nature has not done that already.

The fed allocations that states receive are meant for the welfare of every resident in the states regardless of their states of origin. Part of that allocation is meant for education and no state has the rights to deny any resident the opportunity to have some education sponsored from the fed account.

Nigeria constitution recognises the rights of all Nigerians to live, school and work in any part of Nigeria that they choose. If any state does not like the constitution as it is, they should take it up with NASS through their representatives and not act like poor gangstars.

Denial of equal opportunity is not limited to Ekiti state; it is a national problem and is encouraged by the constitution to a large degree, which makes it very necessary to revisit the constitution and agree to live together or go our separate ways.

How much money will Ekiti state save by ejecting 30 disabled people from schools in Ekiti ? If they think that they need to save their resources by ejecting 30 helpless people who share facilities with others, then the state is in trouble and should be merged with another state.

If the story is true, then there is no difference between the governor and Abia state governor and both should be tied to a stake and flogged real hard.

I see that many states are doing things that discriminate other people in their states and I can only see one result. The sooner everyone heads to a table to discuss the future of Nigeria, the better for everyone.

Soso_Eziokwu, A huru m na onye nzuzu ahu emee la ka I kanye onwe gi mma na ahu. Hapu ya ka o na ezuzu, I ma na ihere anaghi eme onye ara. Anaghi m aghota ka onye si na obu onye be anyi ga esi na ebuso ndi be anyi agha mgbe obula.

If you were an investor and you calculate that buying crude oil at international rate and refining would cost you about N70 per litre of petrol, would you still invest your money when there is someone out there subsidizing the cost of importing the same product and making sure that selling price remained at N65 or less ?

It is not by accident that we do not have private refineries in Nigeria. If we must have fuel subsidy, we must also have guaranteed crude oil subsidy for private investors to ensure growth in oil sector.

The refineries are not working at full capacity because of the round tripping and racketeering that goes on with the "subsidy". Remove the subsidy now !

Just write a formal letter addressed to Nigeria High Commission or Embassy informing them that you have invited your friend to Nigeria and would be providing accommodation and catering for him during his stay in Nigeria.

If the invite is for an occasion like wedding,baptism etc, you may wish to state that in the letter. You should also provide evidence that you are qualified to invite anyone to Nigeria. Certified photocopy of your Nigerian Passport or other passport with your Nigerian residence permit should suffice.

Keep the letter very short, simple and straight to the point. The main body of the letter should reflect your relationship with the person invited.

Your friend should include those documents alongside other documents required by the embassy in his application for visa and there shouldn't be a problem.

I hope this helps.

chy101:


Comparing Orlu and Okigwe to Nnewi is an insult to the psyche of people and it rankle the mind on the mad and ignorance you have consistently exhibited on this forum. Nnewi is far developed and can even compete with your state capital Owerri that is if you have visited Nnewi in the recent time. Orlu and Okigwe cannot even compete with mere Ekwulobia and Uga not to talk of Nnewi. I have consistently asked you guys does Imo state starts and ends with Owerri?? Owerri and Imo state in general is among the most under-developed states in Nigeria despite the huge allocation that is received by imo state. In the whole of the east Imo state is the worst hit in terms of infrastructural development. Awka that was made capital recently has far developed more than your prostitution ridden owerri. Oweeri after years of creation has not developed beyond douglas and wetheral roads. Imo state is a shame to the SE and Nigeria at large. Where is your gov ohakim today, if he did not steal imo blind why is he running?? Your govt should start creating jobs rather than painting of roads. So stop making noise for your dead rural and primitive state of imo.

You can keep compiling your "Diary of a mad man" all you want. I hope for the sake of good people of Anambra that you do not come across the "Nolongtin" of other states.

I know about a third of Nigeria like the back of my hand so put up pictures or shut up. You live there so that can not be very difficult to do or maybe you are going to start posting pictures of exercise books again.

You go about engaging in fights even when it's obvious that defeat is guaranteed.

They mention Asaba and you come out swinging. They talk of Ibadan and you can't keep your silly opinion to yourself. No place is good bar Anambra.

What is your worth as an individual ? If they have to sort the wheat from dirt in Anambra, you will be among those that will end up in River Niger silly boy. If you live in a glass house don't throw stones. Goodluck to you and this is my last engagement with you.

chy101:


You must be a bloody fool. We are not here to compare states, but if you insist on comparing Anambra to your small owerri which is not even up to one single estate (Udoka Estates Awka or Omagba Phase 1 & 2). Anambra has three big major cities (Awka, Onitsha and Nnewi) either of them can pass for a state capital. What does Imo state have except painting of roads and street walls and trees without providing the real infrastructure. There is one question I kept asking about Imo state, does Imo state starts and ends with Owerri?? Why does the successive govts in imo failed to expand owerri to befit a growing state capital?? Why does the govt not developing Orlu and Okigwe to become useful to the state. Why has the rural areas in imo state been neglected to waste away with no assess roads. Today Anambra has the best road networks not only in Awka and Onitsha but to all the rural areas of the state. All the rural areas in Anambra are opened up with development due to good roads unlike in Imo state where the rural areas are no-go areas.

Put up pictures of Awka or shut up. Your Awka is a suburban area and the longest distance across town is less than 3 KM. Awka is the least developed state capital in the east and is on the same level as Orlu and Okigwe. Nnewi is more industrial than Orlu and Okigwe but is more rural than both Areas.

This is exactly how you made Nolongthing drag you all over the floor with your empty boasts and you still haven't learn your lesson. I suggest that someone from Anambra reigns you in before you meet your match from other areas of Igboland.

Onlytruth na ndi ozo na agu/anu asusu anyi, a ga m asi ka unu gbaa ra onye nzuzu ahu bi na isi obodo Anambara oso, ma obu du ya ndumodu maka na o ga na ebutara unu nkpari dika osi mee na edemede nke ozo ahu I bidoro maka oganihu obodo owuwa anyanwu.

Anyi ndi ozo bu ndi obodo anyi na ejide si onwe anyi aka ike, i hapu ikpari ndi anambara ka o si akpari ndi ozo mgbe nile. O ga adi nma ka unu na a bara ya mba mgbe nile ka okwusi I na ekwuto ndi ozo ma obu I na ama aka onye amu ya ka nke ibe ya na etiti anyi.

@ Onlytruth, the economy of Nigeria is running at less than 10% so I don't think that there will be a shift from anywhere, however, other areas will open up to tap into their potentials, creating jobs and infrastructure for those in the areas. There might be a little bit of shuffling, but that's it.

As per Enugu, I think the city has the best road connections in the east and I love the peripherial road network and connections coming from 9th mile and branching off Near Emene towards PH express. Here is what I mean and there are lots more:

The whole Nigeria is a mess with regards to roads and criminal governors have not helped either. The population of Ibadan should be able to sustain a reasonable economic growth and ensure self reliability, but the governors have neglected Ibadan just like Abia state have neglected Aba.

It shouldn't be a problem that Ibadan is an old city, which means that it will be crowded with narrow roads especially in the central areas. A reasonable govt would be able to manage that, creating one way systems and integrating the old city with the new one. Central London is very much crowded with a lot of 2-3m wide roads, but the difference is that all the buildings are in line and orderly. It should be a source of pride to have very old buildings unless you are like the Chinese who destroy and replace old with new.

I prefer the British style where if a building is old, you can only restore it back to the original form and in some cases cannot make permanent internal alterations depending on the type of listing the building has.

While people are knocking down mud houses left right centre, I built a mud house (with a modern touch) within my private compound and people like it.

My point is that we need to appreciate the old while embracing the new.

Beaf:

Thats really interesting! In the Benin legend, he had six fingers on each hand and six toes on each foot, is it the same in Owere and Mbaise? If it is the same, there must be a link between the two peoples, maybe travelers or migrations. Who knows? Its definitely interesting though.

I don't know much about him, only that he was loved as he was gentle. I must have just nodded my head as a kid as we were being taught about him. It is interesting to note that a people in Abia state (Umunneochi) claim that Alakuku was from there. I tried to google him and stumbled upon that info but I haven't got the link here, I'm afraid.

^^^
Yeah iknow what you mean, but I like those sudden bumps that seem to come from the ground and force routes to divert or go around them.

ekt_bear:

I must say, this Owerri looks beautiful.

Thank you, I wish there were some hills tho cos I am biased towards hilly areas. I have got my own hilltop land in Umuahia.

Nigeria is quite interesting minus the violence. I travelled the rail route from KD to PH several times as a kid and the natural views are spectacular especially between Kafanchan and a place known as Langalanga in Plateau state and you could travel for hours without seeing any sign of human life, but would see some animals in the wild. That stretch is extremely rocky with rolling hills and mountain range and is a sight to behold. A smart/peaceful country would develop tourist camps within that stretch.

Beaf:

Hmm! I always thought that was a Benin legend (as Olukuku though). Interesting, do the artworks simply narrate the legend or is that part of the local culture?

It's an Owere and Mbaise legend, but you never know. I started living in Owerri at the age of six and we were taught in primary school as well. I will ask my mum tho. The sculpture is about 10ft and lying on the side and if you go to Mbari cultural centre, there are guides to explain all the artworks there, so I guess they must have some documentation as well.

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Eko Ile:

Finally the round about. I've been wondering when the round about go surface, lol

Chino's brother from Lagos, how u dey ? At least u are not bitter as he is. You are version 1 while he is Version-extreme 44 reloaded.

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I have to add that Assumpta is the biggest landmark in Owerri. It was bombed several times during the war but it stood its grounds.

In terms of culture, a trip to Mbari cultural centre and amphi-theatre would enlighten you. There are several carvings and artworks including the legendary Giant Alakuku.