I read about quasi crystals and E8.
Okay I watched a video.
Is E8 geometry sort of like the framework for reality (reality being a quasi crystal)?

rinrin23:


I'm experiencing the same thing. Once in a while I'll have sharp pain in the left side of my head. I'm having vivid dreams that come true weeks later, and a terrible case of not remembering things. Coupled with the number 23 following me everywhere. As of this time last year, I had read widely - studying sciences, theories of consciousness, philosophy etc and I can barely remember them now. Even things I heard minutes ago I can't trust myself to remember it as it was said. I'm only 28 and this memory loss is especially unnerving.

I also experienced something similar a few years back. It might be different for you but I noticed that I was changing states of consciousness easily. It's like what happens when you forget a dream because the state you were in while dreaming was different.
As such it's not that you've forgotten the dream it's just that you can't access the information in your current state.
This can happen in waking life. If you were in a different state of consciousness when something was said and then there's a sudden shift to a new state it's almost as if you're just waking up from a dream and you'd forget it (it would appear so).

I think you should try grounding and awareness excercises and also start training your mind - you can try the golden dawn or thelemic mind excercises.

Mine was really bad. I had it all from loose association and tangeliality to thought blocking and other disorders of thought. I may have had psychosis in retrospect. I couldn't even start an explanation and land at a point without forget why I started the conversation in the first place. But now that time seems like a dream I woke up from.

I have been hearing high pitched tones on my right ear. I've read online about the different possibilities from tinnitus to the ascension sound current.
It was also said that the frequencies of the left were bad.
Is this the sound current you spoke about as a sign of downloading new info from the overself?

TimeMachine:


Mostly definitely, I supposed it is the Yahweh Virus that is called Demiurge by the Gnostics. It has no emotion, it is a Cosmic level AI. The beauty of researching Spirituality one the Scientific method, is that you understand the design template and working modalities of Solid State entities, instead of just seeing it as a Being Psychically and becoming afraid. As a Scientist, you will notice the workings of a system and you can really deduce what it can do. So, when it was discovered that the Virus is actually an AI, then it is possible to analyse its code and seek ways to hijack the AI to do what ever you want it to do. To serve your purpose. That is how some Elite Humans have been able to start using some Demons to work for them, instead of attacking them. My language for the explanation is purely based on Scientific researches and as a matter of fact, when I hit on a certain ceiling I realized that some Spiritual group must have gotten there but given it a name I had no knowledge, some even worship these entities as Almighty God, but as someone with Science background, I say Bleep it, we keep going until we reach the ceiling and see what is up there. No way shall we worship anything. I do not believe Divine Creator will every want to make its creation a worshipping slave. That is why we are successful in going beyond the Jehovah-Yahweh-Allah complex to the Demiurge, before Lucifer group archetypes before Divine Creator.

I have a couple of inquisitive friends here so I need to close the laptop and answer other questions you have later. This will be an interesting exposition as you already have background knowledge of the heck going on.

I will answer the

Alright sir. Thank you for indulging this mad man.

You talk about scalar frequencies that oscillate on and off like ones and zeros in binary code. I am really interested in this. How do ones and zeros become assembled into instructions?

I'm still reading about programming. But I'm preparing for a professional exam that is completely unrelated to it. I read that the binary coding system was taken from the I ching of the Chinese.

Something is still missing. If the binaries make up the software and the instructions what made the assembler that puts all these together?

Of course you are free to answer anytime. I'm asking to may questions so I'll stop for now and study more later

I have been through a dark night of the soul period. I felt the abandonment of all my loved ones and the heavens. My spiritual aspirations seemed fruitless and foolish. But I came out with a stronger resolve. I know I can do this on my own.

I concur with everything. I read about some ETs who came from other timelines after destroying it and are doing the same to ours. Could they be responsible for the AI virus?
I'm guessing this Yahweh program is the same as the Gnostic demiurge.

I came to the realisation about the illusory, thought like nature of our reality awhile back. I felt invincible like a God but it kinda faded over time. Anytime I become conscious of the fact that this is just a game I usually feel a sense of peace and fearlessness lol.

I have tried astral projection but haven't been successful so far. By this I mean that even the times I think I succeeded I can't recall anything. I usually just remember hours or days later that I may have succeeded but that's it. The ones I remember vividly I am like consciousness floating through space sometimes I even enter into people and see things through their eyes.

Do you know anything about golden dragons with lapis lazuli eyes? Would really appreciate any info

Right now just trying to learn how to control my biomagnetic field.

Concerning the wave-particle duality. Is it that our minds imprint on the waves the forms we recognise as matter and atoms?
If all atoms act as waves in their respective fields is it possible for our minds to be reprogrammed to perceive this?
Are there tools for reprogramming my mind? Any information on this would be really appreciated

I don't see myself as smart that's because I know how dumb I was. But it's as though at one time another mind started pushing me to search for stuff like this. It became my mental food. I still find it hard to see myself as smart though.

Sorry still trying to rap my head around quantum and digital physics. I haven't started to even look into solid state physics.
What has this solid state virus done? Did it introduce certain laws that weren't supposed to be, like the laws of entropy?

How can I prove for myself the existence of a Reality computer simulator? Is it something that will just eventually occur to me after years of meditation or are there established ways to experience this in my own consciousness

Do the laws of entropy apply in a deterministic Universe as proposed by digital physics. If everything is simulated and the position of every atom is predetermined then there are no randoms?

TimeMachine:


If I have 2 more persons interested in how to get rid of demons and stabilize their brainwaves, I will explain how it works so you can protect yourselves not just from the RF/EMF on the towers that emit these signals but the inversive 5G wifi which will actually enable human beings to be access on the cosmic clouds and programmed with the VoGTs and other crazy technologies which I have seen in an alternative realm of existence.

Or you could send it via e-mail to me. I need to know as much as possible right now. I'm entering into a phase of my life were I can have freedom to start experimenting for myself.

I'm interested

Don't look for religion guy. Study on your own. Most people quote the bible simply because it's the most wide spread religion of this age. But that's simply because it place the most emphasis on acquisition of souls.
In the past their methods of doing this were similar to what Jihadist do.

I admit that there have been supernatural occurences that led people to become Christians. A supernatural occurence made me one to.
But this is not to say other religions do not have power either as I have also come to know.

All religious teachings where meant for a time, to bring the common man out of darkness and give him a reason to do good and strive for more. Times change and so do people, teachings change with them.

I'm not even sure what has become of Christianity today was what the teachings where intended for. Christianity is one of the most ignorant about the spiritual worlds. They worship an angry jealous God. There are better God's in other religions who will not punish you for being weak and human but teach you to take responsibility for your actions and do better. Try Buddhism, Eckankar, Gnosticism. Anyone of these will be better trust me. Though a better advise will be none of them

They talk about Christ, the Word (logos) of God when they don't even know what that means. Their God punished the whole world for the sin of one man. He gives you "free" will but punishes you for what you do with it. He says love me because of what I'll do to you if you don't (hellfire ). Such a God is no different from a child with power. And you can the character of their god in some of them.
Knowledge is the only Religion. Make findings for yourself. Understand the nature of your organism

To my knowledge I have severed myself from all the gods. Of course there may still be underlying programs left in my code, still on it.
But I wanted to know if praying in the names of any of this entities for the sake of a friend or spouse could be a window back in for control.

TimeMachine:


You are right, it is quite lonely being me, but I mostly remain quiet about the nature of reality when such issues are discussed physically. only discuss them here where I am not known, and always disable my username each time I feel the need to stay off the forum.

Because if I tell my personal experience, people might think I am crazy but I have been studying daily on these subjects and diving into the core of Creation every time I can to uncover the nature of our reality, but the Truth is so crazy that the world population will be so depressed and uncomfortable with the machinations.

I believe the complexities is the reason that Humanity has been kept in the dark and fed with religions, which is quite easy for one to understand. I am not against any Entity for enjoying the fruits of their knowledge and setting up religions here and there alongside control of the planet via Political Manipulations, banking cartels, underground basis etc.

Getting to this point, one can basically do achieve a lot with the knowledge, but then, what can I say ? Those who get here might use the knowledge selfishly, so I simply I have experienced God Realization, and I believe I have won the Game of Life this time successfully, I just wanna enjoy the remaining of my days with lots of sex and wines and merriments while exploring the inner worlds and deciding where I will move to, after I leave this Plane of Existence. Heaven so called, is not good enough for me. I deserve better for my hardwork and fearlessness.

So, yeah, I will send you a message later on. Are you male or female ?

Awesome80:
From billyonaire to organism000 and now TimeMachine
I've been a follower
Please stop deactivating your account so that those seeking the knowledge will get at it easier

Welcome back.
Please what information do you suggest on lightening the density of ones soul?
Also please any materials on mastering bio energetic feilds of the body will be really helpful
My Email:
I would also try to reach you through the email you used for nairaland.
I would also like to communicate via WhatsApp if it's okay with you of course

theunnamed:




There're always casualties in war dude

But the idea we have is that he was wise and Godly in the beginning

Joh_8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

He wasn't just a liar but a murderer. Who did Satan Kill, I ask myself?

Shelumiel:
Brother , the writings in the bible are not stories; they are true occurrences of things that happened, and will happen. If one narrative in the bible is a story(like the fall of lucifer and his angels?, then the question of Jesus , and His mission to save mankind , is untrue. Please think !

It's like you didn't even read my post. I'm saying the Bible never made a connection between Lucifer and Satan. Lucifer is on his own. Satan on his own. Belial on his own.

How come Jesus said Satan loves only the things of man? By what religion teaches Satan should hate the things of men.
Jesus also said to the pharisees in John 8, not sure, to the pharisees that you are the children of your Father Satan. He was a LIAR FROM THE BEGINNING
This goes against the idea that he was once in truth.

Shelumiel:
From my own point of view ,I think God showed Satan a little bit of everything : the wisdom behind creation , how the universe operated and it's mysteries. ..etc. So with the little knowledge he had acquired from God , he too felt he should be God, and he convinced the angels to follow him by displaying a bit of the knowledge God showed him .

Where do people get these speculations from cause I know it's not the bible. The 1/3 of the angels that the Op is referring to is from the book of revelation. And it clearly stated that the things in book will reveal things that are to come. Look at the Bible in it's actual context. Stories about the fall and a war happening before creation are extra biblical and purely human interpretations and not fact.
The mention of Lucifer in Isaiah 14, I think, is referring to the King of Babylon. Even if you want to say it is symbolic or figurative. There's no part of the Bible that ties Satan to Lucifer. There's no part of the Bible that talks about him as a Fallen angel. All fallen angels mentioned in the bible are clearly stated to be imprisoned or serving a form of punishment. But Satan can apparently waltz into God’s presence in the midst of SONS OF GOD. It makes me wonder if he can't considered one himself.
God doesn't have an adversary because implying so would mean there's someone that can rival his power. It's humans that are wrestling with our nature and have demonized parts of ourselves that have forces to contend against. The devil is the one we blame for all of it, like the persian Angra Mainyu.
Hence the teaching of grace had to be born in a religion like Christianity because the strength of the devil comes from the guilt you feel about perfectly natural things and from that inward division and war within you. Hence the accuser of the brethren.

How come satan spoke through Peter and said that Christ shouldn't kill himself and then went ahead to inspire Judas Iscariot to do the same? Think!!!

Respect bro. Want to know more, learn more. You're an encouragement.
You mentioned something about a dark night of the soul with your wife. I think I may have experienced something similar could expantiate on this

Ever8054:
I thought the last atheist died of stupidity long ago which one is this again?..my friend, get out of here....

As usual no decorum or wisdom in your words

Mario1989:
Sentimental post...Which christian body stopped what? Your post have no details...No need for baseless argument here

Actually you guys are closeminded. The way you guys go on defensive whenever your beliefs are challenged is always hilarious. Plus there's no difference between how you guys talk on the forum and the so called "Ungodly". In fact most times you are the first to start spouting insults and abuses. It's embarrassing cause I come from a Christian background.
What happened to all that Christ like BS you guys talk about or did the bible not show you how Jesus answered questions that were meant to trap him or how the apostles dealt with threats on their life? Where is the fruit of the faith you proclaim. Where is your Holy Spirit that teaches you all things leading you to all truths and gives you what you are supposed to say even though you haven't premeditated on it before?
Where's "wisdom" in Christ? Wake up people, seriously...If Atheist are supposedly "reprobate" that's why they talk the way they do what's your excuse, so called children of God?

Organism000:


You are right, Scientific Approach is the best approach, any approach that involves the use of anything that is not clean energy is by-passing self development and surrendering one's sovereignty to an Entity in order for the Entity to 'show you around'.

So now that you have agreed that Scientific Approach is the best, then you also have to understand that the understanding of science is what will open up all faculties of your brain and enhance your neurotransmission and rates at which the micro-tubules fire the data across sound current. Once you have established coherency between your Human Energy System and Sound Current, which is known in Spirituality as Divine Spirit. So, I was able to fix the missing pieces between Spirituality and Science so it is easy for me to understand better than Religious people who have no knowledge of science and scientists who have no known of Spirituality.

I will recommend that you research on the following Sciences, and make sure you understand them, when you truly understand these subjects you will eventually find the merging of Science and Spirituality to one body of knowledge, which is like fixing the missing pieces of the puzzle.

1. Quantum Physics with particular attention to wave-particle paradox using the double slit experiment.
2. Epigenetics and how to alter Genes using sounds, light, words etc.
3. Quantum Cosmology
4. Solid State Physics
5. Digital Physics
6. Biogenesis
7. Astrophysics
8. AstroCosmology
9. Astrology.
10. Geometry with attention on fractal dimensions and Fibonacci Sequence.
11. Archaeology.
12. Programming with HTML.

You will need the knowledge of programming if you want to understand the blueprint of the matrix. You will need Archaeology to understand the role of Eqypt as a motherboard. And some of the Archaeological sites as Integrated Circuit of the planet.

Then when you understand this, you need to come back again and pick up the Bible, and read. Then the Bible understanding will bring out a whole new meaning to terms and you will be capable of even editing that book and putting together the missing pieces which I believe were pulled out intentionally. It is a great story book of human history for a particular period of time, but some of the stuff we research is Pre-Bible Days, cos the Truth is older than the Bible. I have studied to the Time in History when our Solar System was not even yet created, to the time the Solar System was designed.

So you see, there is need to understand Creation to even manage to understand the Creator.

This is not a walk in the park, and I do not think everyone can do it, but those who dedicate their Hobby times to research will benefit immensely while living and most of the knowledge will become useful especially when one is death. Because in death some Souls are not even Free.

Thanks bro really appreciate your response. Have started looking into these topics and some like the wave particle duality are things that I thought of after reading the hermetic principle of how opposites must reconcile.
It's also funny that one of the first things I wanted to learn was computer programming and how create integrated circuits and printed circuit boards. But school keeps interfering, even now.
Will try and understand them. The complex language used in most is quite daunting.

Organism000:


You are right, Scientific Approach is the best approach, any approach that involves the use of anything that is not clean energy is by-passing self development and surrendering one's sovereignty to an Entity in order for the Entity to 'show you around'.

So now that you have agreed that Scientific Approach is the best, then you also have to understand that the understanding of science is what will open up all faculties of your brain and enhance your neurotransmission and rates at which the micro-tubules fire the data across sound current. Once you have established coherency between your Human Energy System and Sound Current, which is known in Spirituality as Divine Spirit. So, I was able to fix the missing pieces between Spirituality and Science so it is easy for me to understand better than Religious people who have no knowledge of science and scientists who have no known of Spirituality.

I will recommend that you research on the following Sciences, and make sure you understand them, when you truly understand these subjects you will eventually find the merging of Science and Spirituality to one body of knowledge, which is like fixing the missing pieces of the puzzle.

1. Quantum Physics with particular attention to wave-particle paradox using the double slit experiment.
2. Epigenetics and how to alter Genes using sounds, light, words etc.
3. Quantum Cosmology
4. Solid State Physics
5. Digital Physics
6. Biogenesis
7. Astrophysics
8. AstroCosmology
9. Astrology.
10. Geometry with attention on fractal dimensions and Fibonacci Sequence.
11. Archaeology.
12. Programming with HTML.

You will need the knowledge of programming if you want to understand the blueprint of the matrix. You will need Archaeology to understand the role of Eqypt as a motherboard. And some of the Archaeological sites as Integrated Circuit of the planet.

Then when you understand this, you need to come back again and pick up the Bible, and read. Then the Bible understanding will bring out a whole new meaning to terms and you will be capable of even editing that book and putting together the missing pieces which I believe were pulled out intentionally. It is a great story book of human history for a particular period of time, but some of the stuff we research is Pre-Bible Days, cos the Truth is older than the Bible. I have studied to the Time in History when our Solar System was not even yet created, to the time the Solar System was designed.

So you see, there is need to understand Creation to even manage to understand the Creator.

This is not a walk in the park, and I do not think everyone can do it, but those who dedicate their Hobby times to research will benefit immensely while living and most of the knowledge will become useful especially when one is death. Because in death some Souls are not even Free.

Thanks bro really appreciate your response. Have started looking into these topics and some like the wave particle duality are things that I thought of after reading the hermetic principle of how opposites must reconcile.

Will try and understand them. The complex language used is quite daunting.

Organism000:
Premiumwriter I have a message for you. But after you have researched on the multidimensional nature of energy as a function of consciousness. I will also introduce you to multi-dimensional nature of magnetism. Then I will guide you on the final stage which will be "Frequency Beings of Resonance".

Welcome to the REAL GOOD LIFE. Where you create all that you want. Magic is Science not yet understood by ordinary man.

But some of us are no longer just humans. We are Spirits in humanoid bodies. We don't do dirty rituals. We travel through worlds and design software's and repair the plasma tech of that keeps the Sun, Moon and Stars in place. Beyond the veil.

Is it everything science has on the multidimensional nature of energy or are specific ideas we should grasp. I have tried astral projection and failed many times. Not sure if you have tips. Especially personal tips on how to activate dormant areas of the brain.
I've read about many esoteric schools of thought but besides the ones that are hiding "secrets" in figurative terms the rest don't appeal to me with their rituals and principles of living which may or may not work for you.
There has to be a more objective way to induce the experience of other realities. And I think a scientific approach is best

MuttleyLaff:
Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering;
not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?
- Romans 2:4 KJV

Longsuffering is an adjective describing the noun forbearance

Forbearance, is patient self-control, restraint and tolerance.

Longsuffering, is patiently enduring lasting offense
having or showing patience in spite of troubles, especially those caused by other people, things or bad behaviour

Longsuffering means, to politely or patiently forbear
forbear, as in, restrain an impulse to do something
or to stop oneself from doing something, though you have the opportunity or the right to do it.

Freh, we see, in Romans 2:4 "old English" KJV above,
forbearance and longsuffering used together and at the same time, in a single verse, to make a point.

And the LORD passed by before him, and proclaimed,
The LORD, The LORD God, merciful and gracious, longsuffering, and abundant in goodness and truth
- Exodus 34:6

The LORD is longsuffering, and of great mercy, forgiving iniquity and transgression...
- Numbers 14:18a

God is suffering, actually correctly put, God is longsuffering.
God can suffer, God suffers, God is suffering, and in every sense of the word, God is longsuffering

How is God longsuffering? How can God suffer? How is God suffering?

God can suffer, God is suffering or God longsuffers, by putting up with us
God can suffer, God is suffering or God longsuffers, by accepting, in a patient way, an unpleasant situation
or continue to accept, in a patient way, someone who behaves unpleasantly
So, God can suffer, God is suffering or God longsuffers, by accepting someone or anything unpleasant, in a patient way.

¹I therefore, the prisoner of the Lord, beseech you that ye walk worthy of the vocation wherewith ye are called,
²With all lowliness and meekness, with longsuffering, forbearing, one another in love;
³Endeavouring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace.
- Ephesians 4:1-3

Put on therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, bowels of mercies, kindness, humbleness of mind, meekness, longsuffering;
- Colossians 3:12

And we exhort you, brethren, admonish the disorderly, encourage the fainthearted, support the weak, be longsuffering toward all
- 1 Thessalonians 5:14

But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith
- Galatians 5:22

What part(s) of God's gift to us, are we keeping imprisoned?
What part(s) of God's gift to us, are we keeping from seeing the light of the day?
What part(s) of the Spirit within us, cries out for release for quickening?

Gone off the track with this comment
What is "it is this cry and groaning from within that the prophets portray in their texts"?

Check the greek or hebrew word used there that's how you get the meaning. Second longsuffering is old English if you even browse it online you'll see the meaning there. This is not an argument it is fact
The bible uses repititions all the time like you are my shield and buckler when both of them are the same thing. It shouldn't be surprising to see forbearance and longsuffering in the same sentence.

If you even look at a different translation it will be patience or something else that is there. Don't interpret based on convenience. Study to show yourself approved.

MuttleyLaff:
"The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness;
but is longsuffering to us-ward,
not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance"
- 2 Peter 3:9

My sister and her famous knee jerk reaction.
Always getting the wrong end of the stick as usual.

Longsuffering is old English for forebearance or to endure. God is not suffering and cannot suffer in his true form. But the Spirit within us, that is trapped in matter cries out for release for quickening. It is this cry and groaning from within that the prophets portray in their texts

Looks like she got caught in the religious programme of the age. Emotional convrrsions like that are sketchy. There more to spirituality than crying your eyes out. Spirituality is based on wisdom and enlightenment where as christianity today teaches emotional drunkenness. It's no surprise. It explains why the temples of Apollo (god of wisdom and healing) were empty especially of women and the courts of Dionysus were littered with tipsy, hungover women

OtemAtum:
It's very conspicuous that Yahweh was the most foolish of the gods. He used his supposedly only begotten son for ritual purposes. Where do they do that kind of a thing? Olorun, Chukwu, Abassi, Oghene and Osanobua the gods of our land will never behave in such foolish manner.

Yo Otem what daily spiritual excercises did you practice. How did develop your self to be able to perceive these things.

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Organized religion has stifled science for more than a thousand years. Most of us are familiar with the story of Galileo who discovered that the Earth was not the center of the universe, nor even our sun, but that we were merely one speck among uncountable billions. The church put a stop to him with the threat of torture and death. The same was true of medicine; the study of human anatomy was forbidden.

Why are Christians so closed-minded?

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tintingz:
This is one of the lies in Islam that Allah sent his prophets to every nation.

The Quran didn't even mention one Prophet sent to the Eskimos nor the Chinese, these people tradition don't even mention anything about Adam story, even the Yoruba creation story is very very different from the Jewish.

Creation stories are mythical they are not to be taken literally. They are like parables. The right side of your brain is responsible for such creations. It tries to use pictures and images to portray truths that left brain would use numbers and facts to treat. Certain things cannot be presented yet in left brain language but the more science advances and new terms are created and new definitions which help us map the universe and our consciousness we will start understanding things as they truly are and loose the need for parables and dark hidden sayings.
There are a lot of phenomena we cannot observe simply because our minds cannot recognise it. It's like how I couldn't tell the constellations in the night sky and everything just seemed chaotic. But as I read books which told me about Orion, pleidaes, ursa majorand minor now any starry night I can identify them without breaking a sweat.
Different creation stories is not a proof that their religion was or is false. That's the problem with Religion. The first person who had the dream was probably transformed by its wisdom and meaning but overtime people loose grasp of the truth and worship external forms.

I believe life on other planets is a given. It's not logical to think that in this whole universe we are the only ones. Just as I believe it's illogical to believe this whole universe came from nothing. The religions may not have it right when they describe creation stories of 6 days and what not.....but it is extremely difficult even scientifically to imagine things just happening like that for no apparent reason. There has to be a cause for all the galaxies being discovered. A cause, I won't call God because of the image already in most peoples head. But let's say a single parlticle in the primordial chaos that reached a state of consciousness or entered a new quantum state and started a cascade reaction that gave birth to everything that we see.

Of course that would mean God is not a man in the sky sitting on a chair. That's a man made image. Instead "who is God?" We should ask "What is God". Instead of a he ir she think in terms of an it. Which I feel accurately portrays our ignorance on the definition of the God concept.


That's by the way. Just imagine what life on other planets will mean for Christian end-of-days teachings on rapture and destruction of the earth in fire. Is it the same timetable for everyone? If it's not let's hop on a spaceship to another planet and skip the end of days

We are not hard to find? I'm kidding we really are