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Politics / Re: Milton Friedman On Slavery And Colonialism. A Must Watch For Africans by gadogado(m): 8:06pm On Aug 16, 2010 |
Onlytruth: Why don't you focus on the argument being made and intellectually argue a point as opposed to attacking my personality and "people like me" we're not arguing about THEORIES or evolution which are controversial to say the least. we're talking about the AFRICAN's INABILITY TO BUILD A STABLE AND PROSPEROUS SOCIETY/ENLIGHTENED CIVILIZATION on his own (without Arabs and Europeans) and whether this is caused by a lack of intellectual capacity as implied by Friedman (The wheel hadn't been invented in parts of Africa by the 19th century) Take your theories of evolution elsewhere. |
Politics / Re: Milton Friedman On Slavery And Colonialism. A Must Watch For Africans by gadogado(m): 7:51pm On Aug 16, 2010 |
sage: Why the harsh tone? you that began supporting my premise, talk about being a flip flopper!! guess you'd make an excellent politician. Let me put it this way, people that live in Africa from the tropic of capricorn all the way to the sahara share the same climate, 2-3 seasons in a year as opposed to full four seasons in Europe etc. If as they say people develop morphological adaptations to enable them cope with their environments then i'd hasten t say that blacks )especially bantus) with features like wide nostrils etc are the same race or family of people (since you dislike the word race) second point is the linguistic similarity as well as cultural that exist among African groups, like I said, Africans/blacks are the same "race" with a high degree of internal diversity, to claim race doesn't exist is senseless. Even if the Ashanti and Yoruba never came into contact with each other, they would share many more physical, cultural and linguistic similarities to Yorubas than to the French or Italians. FACT. The similarities are glaring, from Haiti to Zimbabwe to Nigeria to Senagal, you're all very similar and in the exact same situation (INABILITY TO BUILD A STABLE AND PROSPEROUS SOCIETY) These are the facts, any country in the world today that has black dominated government is a poverty stricken downward spiraling state regardless of the continent. |
Politics / Re: Milton Friedman On Slavery And Colonialism. A Must Watch For Africans by gadogado(m): 8:08am On Aug 16, 2010 |
@sage Im not in anyway against the "black race" im at least 60% black. So that assertion is senseless. All im asking is what does the evidence suggest about the relative mental development of Africans. Also, if you believe that theres no such thing as race, then you're living in lala land. Africans present a monolithic group if you compare to other groups. In other words, Africans have more in common with each other than they do with European or Asian groups. You're saying technically theres no such thing as race, but i think there is race but each race has a varying degree of intra racial variance and relative diversity. Saying race doesn't exist is wishful thinking. There are too many similarities in physical, cultural, linguistic aspects that Africans share with each other. So you can't outrightly ignore that. Africans are a monolithic group with a high degree of internal diversity, this diversity does not negate the fact that Africans are one race. |
Politics / Re: Milton Friedman On Slavery And Colonialism. A Must Watch For Africans by gadogado(m): 2:01am On Aug 16, 2010 |
bgees: WRONG, having a sense of organization is a form of intelligence because organization suggests rationality, i suspect you're looking at organization or the way i used it with a simplistic lens. organized behavior includes being able to plan ahead among many other things |
Politics / Re: Milton Friedman On Slavery And Colonialism. A Must Watch For Africans by gadogado(m): 1:26am On Aug 16, 2010 |
sage: Simple! Europeans fell from glory so in comparison to their initial attainment of enlightenment, they became ignorant, thats comparing the two stages in their history. Africa never had the attainment of enlightenment at no point in time, so nothing to lean a comparison against. Its one thing to rise and fall and in their case rise again unlike the Mongols who only had a rise and fall. But to never ever rise in the history of humanity is something quite different. What has subsaharan Africa ever contributed to the advancement of humanity?? |
Politics / Re: Milton Friedman On Slavery And Colonialism. A Must Watch For Africans by gadogado(m): 12:38am On Aug 16, 2010 |
Those who have run out of things to say are claiming the thread/post is dead. Of course, you'll say that when you have been thoroughly thrashed and proven wrong!! The fact is, just accept your deficiencies and learn how to defeat them. Someone said the lack of protein in the African diet "historically" is responsible for the lack of intelligent. So I advise you to start consuming as much protein as possible. |
Politics / Re: Milton Friedman On Slavery And Colonialism. A Must Watch For Africans by gadogado(m): 12:31am On Aug 16, 2010 |
ezeagu: Go to malabo (the capital of EG) and compare their level of infrastructural development with Kuala Lampur or Singapore or Bangkok or Jakarta or even "i dare to say" Burma. The difference will be stark clear. When I talk about economic development im referring to "WHATS ON GROUND" not meaningless arithmetic (dividing national GDP by population to get per capita GDP) thats useless, it means nothing, go to EG and the slums you'll see will blow your mind!! Whats on ground?? how diverse and sophisticated are their markets and economy as a whole?? how about their infrastructure?? is it adequate? how about human services like education and health facilities?? what is the general standard of living for its citizens? It has about 700,000 population wise, compare that to countries with small populations like Bahrain and Oman then compare their standards. |
Politics / Re: Milton Friedman On Slavery And Colonialism. A Must Watch For Africans by gadogado(m): 11:57pm On Aug 15, 2010 |
sage: So what you're actually saying is environment is what makes africans less intelligent not some sort of natural inclination to being dumb right? |
Politics / Re: Milton Friedman On Slavery And Colonialism. A Must Watch For Africans by gadogado(m): 11:55pm On Aug 15, 2010 |
ezeagu: Nigeria started with malaysia and singapore, where is malaysia today or even indonesia? how about countries like thailand? where were they in 1960, they were at the same level as most African countries in terms of socio-political and economic development, where are they today |
Politics / Re: Milton Friedman On Slavery And Colonialism. A Must Watch For Africans by gadogado(m): 11:33pm On Aug 15, 2010 |
The point Im making is, collectively as a group, Africans constitute the least intelligent people on the globe. In contrast, Africans are some of the best athletes in the world. There are obviously going to be exceptions to the rule (putting a Nigerian student in a class with Japs and Brits) but this does not in anyway negate the fact that we are naturally disorganized which in my opinion is a component of lack of intelligence. We also lack other components of intelligence such as foresight. Nigeria started at the same level with Asian countries, as far as economic indicators but because they're more intelligent, they have grown to supersede. Look, the examples of Africas lack of brain power is evident, you see it daily. So why deny it? |
Politics / Re: Milton Friedman On Slavery And Colonialism. A Must Watch For Africans by gadogado(m): 11:21pm On Aug 15, 2010 |
sage: Sure, you can teach an African something and he'll be good at it, you can train an animal in something and it'll be good at it but the question is, was the african able to teach himself? thats the question, coming up with your own stuff that reeks of intellectual ability like inventing a car for example. SO far, on this whole thread, people have been able to come up with bronze casting as peak african invention and they have latched to the glory of egypt. Now bring you bronze cast anyday and share a display table of inventions with a European, I'd assume you'd come out thoroughly embarrassed. |
Politics / Re: Milton Friedman On Slavery And Colonialism. A Must Watch For Africans by gadogado(m): 11:11pm On Aug 15, 2010 |
ezeagu: I was talking about a script actually but either way, anybody can draw those lame logos and call it a writing system. Did Igbos use this "writing system" to record their history, if yes, tell us what the recorded history and/or events say about how they lived 1500 years ago. |
Politics / Re: Milton Friedman On Slavery And Colonialism. A Must Watch For Africans by gadogado(m): 11:06pm On Aug 15, 2010 |
EzeUche22: Sure, it means Im driving to the restaurant to go eat with my "table set" and "cocktail glass" |
Politics / Re: Milton Friedman On Slavery And Colonialism. A Must Watch For Africans by gadogado(m): 10:59pm On Aug 15, 2010 |
Aigbofa: They happen out of the reds |
Politics / Re: Milton Friedman On Slavery And Colonialism. A Must Watch For Africans by gadogado(m): 10:56pm On Aug 15, 2010 |
Why is it so hard for Africans to accept that they simple arent as intelligent as other races? You have continuously proven that to be the case both in what you're able to do, build and produce and also IQ tests clearly suggest that the sub saharan African is the least intelligent being on earth. I say accept the bitter truth and begin looking for ways to make yourself more intelligent and hence more competitive rather that being emotional and defensive! |
Politics / Re: Milton Friedman On Slavery And Colonialism. A Must Watch For Africans by gadogado(m): 10:52pm On Aug 15, 2010 |
Aigbofa: You cant say that the script is 1500 years old and their sign for "table set" is forks, spoons and even a cocktail glass. Dont be foolish, this is purely fraud. When did Igbo people start eating food with utensils? As far as I know, they eat with their hands. Also, forks and all that were not created 1500 years ago. Please dont be daft. It demeans you. |
Politics / Re: Milton Friedman On Slavery And Colonialism. A Must Watch For Africans by gadogado(m): 10:49pm On Aug 15, 2010 |
Onlytruth: Look at my criteria for claiming a civilization. a,b and c. |
Politics / Re: Milton Friedman On Slavery And Colonialism. A Must Watch For Africans by gadogado(m): 10:44pm On Aug 15, 2010 |
EzeUche22: Im seriously laughing @ the ndibisi sign for "table set" and someone was saying its 1500 years old. FRAUD. Besides, this is not a script its merely symbology, show me the alphabets and the sentences, Im waiting! |
Politics / Re: Milton Friedman On Slavery And Colonialism. A Must Watch For Africans by gadogado(m): 10:32pm On Aug 15, 2010 |
EzeUche22: I agree with you here, they do infact claim greco-roman civilizations. However, thats because of the extensive contact and heavy borrowing from that duo by western Europeans. Actually, the British were largely roman slaves. So there has to be some criteria from claiming a civilization that didnt occur in ur ancestral land, there must be a) contact b) similarities (both racial and cultural) c) building upon the initial civilization. You can't claim Egypt if you've built nothing onto the Ancient Egyptian civilization. But the British/west can claim greco-roman because they took their concepts and built on them. |
Politics / Re: Milton Friedman On Slavery And Colonialism. A Must Watch For Africans by gadogado(m): 10:21pm On Aug 15, 2010 |
sage: Don't mind that guy, wonder what world he lives in. Things are not nearly that convenient! |
Politics / Re: Milton Friedman On Slavery And Colonialism. A Must Watch For Africans by gadogado(m): 10:19pm On Aug 15, 2010 |
@ezeuche These scripts you're coming up with are concepts that came up very recently. I once showed my professor and a liberian girl that bassa script, its complete bull shit. If it came up after colonization or post European contact, then it doesn't count. All of these scripts you're coming up with came post EC so they don't count. Furthermore, they're pretty much rip offs and modifications of arabic, latin et.al |
Politics / Re: Milton Friedman On Slavery And Colonialism. A Must Watch For Africans by gadogado(m): 10:14pm On Aug 15, 2010 |
EzeUche22:Mende script was devised by Mohammed Turay (born ca. 1850), an Islamic scholar, at a town called Maka (Barri Chiefdom, southern Sierra Leone). One of Turay's Koranic students was a young man named Kisimi Kamara. Kamara was the grandson of Turay's sister. Kamara also married Turay's daughter, Mariama. Turay devised a form of writing called 'Mende Abajada' (meaning 'Mende alphabet'), which was inspired in part by the Arabic abjad and in part by the Vai syllabary. Dude, something that came up less than a hundered years ago does not count! period!! |
Politics / Re: Milton Friedman On Slavery And Colonialism. A Must Watch For Africans by gadogado(m): 9:48pm On Aug 15, 2010 |
Aigbofa: Modern day English is based on Sanskrit alphabets not ancient egyptian hieroglyphics, plus why are all the civilizations in "Africa" that created writing systems all in the the extreme east, Egypt and Ethiopia both of whom have heavy semitic/caucasian admixture. Even the berbers who are indigenous to North Africa but are caucasian have their own self developed writing system. The only set of people in Africa that didn't create a writing system are the ones that are in the heart of africa and unmixed with whites etc. I want someone to give me an answer, west africa, central africa and southern africa have no writing sytems of their own, only extreme north (Mediterranean admixture) and East Africans (semitic admixture) look at a map and conclude the proximity of these groups with our reading and writing African brothers. The obasanjo looking African has always been starkly illiterate |
Politics / Re: Milton Friedman On Slavery And Colonialism. A Must Watch For Africans by gadogado(m): 9:34pm On Aug 15, 2010 |
EzeUche22: Only difference is the Africans seeming inability to create an indigenous writing system/script. |
Politics / Re: Milton Friedman On Slavery And Colonialism. A Must Watch For Africans by gadogado(m): 7:52pm On Aug 15, 2010 |
EzeUche22: @ bold=massive lie. I think you're confused, wasn't Mansa Musa a muslim? didnt he read and write arabic? wasn't his monarchy based of the borrowed arab-emirate system and weren't arabs the ones buying the gold from him? You're talking about a fully colonized and arabized king who probably loved arabs to no end. Not an indigenous, self created political or social order, were it not for the arabs, africans wouldn't really know what to do with gold. Africans were exchanging gold for salt with arabs back in the day. |
Politics / Re: Milton Friedman On Slavery And Colonialism. A Must Watch For Africans by gadogado(m): 7:42pm On Aug 15, 2010 |
Sharon_f: I dont think so but you and you collective kin have been relentless in proving that you're indeed "stup'ider" than the rest of the world! How were your ancestors living before they came into contact with europeans? were they enlightened people or superstitious savages who believed a common cold was a demonic curse. Was your part of Africa clothed or walking around naked by that time Apart from the arts (music and little sculptures) what did Africans produce? what was the level of productivity of Africans prior to european contact? |
Politics / Re: Milton Friedman On Slavery And Colonialism. A Must Watch For Africans by gadogado(m): 7:32pm On Aug 15, 2010 |
Nsibidi or whatever is fake, totally fake!! |
Politics / Re: Milton Friedman On Slavery And Colonialism. A Must Watch For Africans by gadogado(m): 7:30pm On Aug 15, 2010 |
EzeUche22: Funny how those pre colonial africans created those pieces of art but could not "label" them if their lives depended on it. |
Politics / Re: Milton Friedman On Slavery And Colonialism. A Must Watch For Africans by gadogado(m): 7:27pm On Aug 15, 2010 |
EzeUche22: You need to chill out with this ancient Egypt thing, sub saharan Africans have nothing to do with Egypt or the pyramids, some west Africans had not figured out the concept of the wheel by the 19th century. I suppose you'll tell me you're a direct descendant of king tut. Further more, Ethiopian DNA suggest heavy european admixture from thousands of years ago. |
Politics / Re: Milton Friedman On Slavery And Colonialism. A Must Watch For Africans by gadogado(m): 7:19pm On Aug 15, 2010 |
sage: And this makes me ask another question, for those saying that Africans are as intelligent as Europeans, How come there isn't a single group of Africans that developed their own writing system or script besides the Ethiopians (who distant themselves from being "African) and claim a semetic root. We couldn't develop a written form of communication at any point in time, i think this goes to say that we are in fact less intellectually endowed but when it comes to athletics, we're very much gifted. The black race might have been created for work and not thinking. |
Politics / Re: Milton Friedman On Slavery And Colonialism. A Must Watch For Africans by gadogado(m): 7:07pm On Aug 15, 2010 |
Beaf: Ok beaf, your ignorance is getting a little serious now! what and who is a shuwa arab. Shuwas are mostly people of mixed African and Arab descent, being shuwa doesnt change my nationality neither does it affect my desire to see my nation grow. There are many shuwas in the nigerian government. for example, abba aji is a shuwa man and he's Jonathan's liaison to the national assembly, the current minister of works father is 100% shuwa but can you say these people arent black?? look at a pic of Abba Aji, the man on the right
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Politics / Re: Milton Friedman On Slavery And Colonialism. A Must Watch For Africans by gadogado(m): 1:37am On Aug 15, 2010 |
Beaf: accepting reality need not be depressing! Its just a realization that different groups of people are endowed with different gifts. |
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