enilove:

I hope you can read and write?You lied by saying, I and my mum went ....It was only my mum.It is still there.I said she narrated this to me in that thread.

Can you check this and confirm your mistake, please.Lets assume it was not intentional.

This isn't about insult. I will not insult you back.

So the argument now is it wasn't you and you mum. Your mum went alone abi? Noted don't use that to derail the thread.

The problem with you is that any bad news you hear about Islam is true no matter the source. It is equivalent to me bringing information from www.evilbible.com. It doesn't make any sense.

I might not reply your comment again if you've made up your mind not to make sense.

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enilove:

And I believe him for his miracles,his abstainance from the worldly marriage( because his children would make one to doubt his claims as the son of God.) ,his power in my life.

My friend I beg you in the name of Jesus,try and pray ,just one,that" Jesus if you are real and as people claim that you are a son of God show urself to me ,and I will believe".

Thanks

Hilarious!!
So all the pope that are not getting married are sons of God? Many things are not known about Jesus (Isa, PBUH) and this include the fact as to whether he got married to Mary Mangalene or not.

I've prayed that prayer several time. May be you can continue praying it on my behalf. It will be very appreciated. Unlike you I've not sealed my heart.

Trinity is a hoax: https://www.nairaland.com/1127181/jesus-christ-servant-god-trinity. Wake up!

pointblank 321:

Allah teaches by pen. So he writes everywhere. He loves writings. But why did he choose an illiterate who could not write as his prophet?

Ask Isaiah 29:12 sir.
"And the book is delivered to him that is not learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I am not learned."

I thought christians say God is the alpha & omega meaning he can do anything. All he has do say is "be and it will."

I still remember vividly my encounter with a former student of the school. I got the shock of my life when I told her I'm a Muslim.
But the last time I visited her she actually showed me a copy of the translated Qur'an she now reads. I'm so full of joy for her right now.

^^^

You leave the main questions I raised only to chase shadows. I've not lied concerning what I said about you in anyway.

You can open another thread to discuss whether the prayer of the living can affect the dead. I'll be glad to contribute.

Your story about Abraham is quite hilarious. I'm sure you are not referring to the one in Genesis 17. I'll implore you to quote the verse. If salvation is of the Jews, then they should invoke death if they can but they will never be able to because of what their hands had sent forth.

I love Jesus (Isa, PBUH) because I've been instructed to by the same religion you are castigating. The Jews never believed in Jesus (Isa, PBUH). So much lies on this innocent man called Jesus (Isa, PBUH). You can read up: ‘Misquoting Jesus’ by Bart Ehrman.

The name of Jesus (Isa, PBUH) is powerless. That has been discussed extensively in the thread below: https://www.nairaland.com/996451/name-jesus-2-10.

"I pray that God will arrest your soul and you will know that this life is not a joking matter." Quite hilarious to say the least.

@enilove

The fact that you were born into a Muslim family as claimed doesn’t make you right. It just goes to show that the same lies people are overcoming is the exact one you choose to imbibe. If I tell you my background, you will marvel.

What do these people have in common? Eric Abidal, Frank Ribbery, Garry Miller, Lauren Booth, Sean Stone, Nicholas Anelka, John Brennan, Calsius Clay (Mohammed Ali), Mike Tyson, Wesley Snipes, Thierry Henry, the Jackson family, Bruno Metzue, Kenneth L. Jenkins, Dr. Jerald F. Dirks, Martin John Mwaipopo, Raphael Narbaez, Rev. David Benjamin Keldani, Archpriest.Viacheslav.Polosin and a host of others. There were all fed with the same lies for years if not decades. But later they found the TRUTH. I pray you do the same.

Christianity will continue to be relevant in Sub- Saharan Africa where poverty is the other of the day. That explains the linear relationship between the establishment of churches and our backwardness. We keep looking for non-existing miracles, the miracles that took you to the church in the first place.
Jesus (Isa, PBUH) is only a messenger of Allah. Jesus (Isa, PBUH) spoke to a man who had called him ‘good,’ asking him, ‘Why do you call me good?  No one is good except God alone.’ (Luke 18:19)
And he said to him, ‘Why are you asking me about what is good?  There is only One who is good; but if you wish to enter into life, keep the commandments.’ (Matthew 19:17). Which commandments? Definitely the commandments in Exodus 20.

360 idols were worshipped in Mecca prior to the coming of Muhammed (PBUH). Because Idols were worshipped there, nothing good can ever be done there right? Idols are physical objects. What physical object did Muhammed (PBUH) ordered Muslims to worship? Why did you intentionally missed the part when Muhammed’s (PBUH) first wife took Muhammed (PBUH) to her uncle? The uncle (a Christian) said to Muhammed (PBUH) that people will revolve against him because of the authencity of what he has brought but as long as he remained alive, he would stand by him. Is it not sad that centuries after that people like you are still revolting against him?

The first commandment is explicit enough in Exodus 20. THOU SHALT HAVE NO OTHER GODS BEFORE ME. The first pillar of Islam is: THERE IS ONLY ONE GOD AND MUHAMMED (PBUH) IS HIS MESSENGER. The Qur’an is so explicit about one God: “And your God is One God. There is no deity [worthy of worship] except Him, the Entirely Merciful, the Especially Merciful.” – The Noble Qur’an 2: 163. You want to tell me there are many gods in Islam or what? If you are Yoruba as your handle implies then you will understand why OBAS usually use “We” to describe themselves or why you use “Awon” for your parents or elderly people.

If you believe Jesus (Isa, PBUH) is God, then we don't worship the same God.

^^^

Without all due respect, you are saying trash! I will respond to you in sha Allah in due course.
Are you a male or a female?

@enilove,

And you are one of this few without a carnal mind who understands the bible, right? Interesting!!!

How many Jews believe in Jesus (Isa, PBUH)? The religious affiliation of the Israeli population is 75% Jewish, 16.9% Muslims, 2.1% Christians and 1.7% Druze with the remaining 4% not classified by religion. The same Jews Jesus (Isa, PBUH) described as a wicked and adulterous generation in Matthew 16:4.

Here is the Surah you are referring to: Say, "O DISBELIEVERS, I do not worship what you worship. Nor are you worshippers of what I worship. Nor will I be a worshipper of what you worship. Nor will you be worshippers of what I worship. For you is your religion, and for me is my religion." – The Noble Qur’an 119:1-6.
At least you’ve just admitted you are an unbeliever. As long as you keep worshipping man and three gods we will NEVER worship the same God. I want you to describe to me how Jesus (Isa, PBUH) prayed while he was alive and who was he praying to in Matthew 26:39, Matthew 26:42 and Matthew 26:44?
The concept of one God is biblical.
Matthew 4:10: “Jesus said to him, “Away from me, Satan! For it is written: "Worship the Lord your God, and serve him only."'"
John 17:3: "Now this is eternal life: that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent."
1Corinthians 8:5-6: "For even if there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth (as indeed there are many "gods" and many "lords", yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live."
1Timothy 2:5: "For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus"
James 2:19: "You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe that—and shudder."

“O people of the Book! Commit no excesses in your religion: nor say of Allah aught but truth. Christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) an Apostle of Allah and His Word which He bestowed on Mary and a Spirit proceeding from Him: so believe in Allah and His Apostles. Say not "Trinity": desist: it will be better for you: for Allah is One Allah: glory be to him: (for Exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belong all things in the heavens and on earth. And enough is Allah as a Disposer of affairs" – The Noble Qur'an 4:171.

“Believing in one God does not make the person to be serving the true God.” Can you please explain this quote.

“That was why even Abraham could not make heaven until Jesus came and shed his blood.”The question is: Why would an innocent man shed his blood for me? “The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son; the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.” – Ezekiel 18:20.

The condition is the lineage of any man or woman is linked to the paternal ancestors. Remember Adam like Jesus (Isa, PBUH) also had no paternal lineage. If the criterion used in referring to someone as a son of god is having no earthly father then Adam and the Angels are more qualified for the position.

Who was this prophecy referring to? Then the book is delivered to one who is illiterate, saying, “Read (recite) this, please” and he says, I am not literate.”

I therefore put it to you that you are ignorantly & arrogantly working for Satan by hindering men from the truth. "I shall turn away from my signs those who are arrogant in the earth unjustifiably, and if they see all the signs (in creation) they believe them not, and if they see the path of righteousness they do not take it as (their) path, and if they see the path of misguidance they take it as (their) path. That is because they deny our signs and are used to disregarding them" The Noble Qur’an 7:146.
I’m not surprised because I remember how you said you and your mum went to seek help in the church. If she had gone to the herbalist you would have become a BABALAWO and still come here and preach to us about traditional practice.

justaqad:

read phillipians 2:10

I guess he doesn't have a bible.

Reyginus: Dude, let's keep this simple. Is the name of jesus powerless?

YES

onyfrank:
but u got gist na.
We ar truly in d time of grace. Christ Jesus is Lord.

"I like your Christ but not your christianity" - Ghandi
Thanks for admitting that you need grace.
Jesus (PBUH) is only a messenger of God.

davonny: Do u have belief in d bible at all?

Why do you ask?

onyfrank:
am sori 4 ur ignorance. A frnd of my jst left muslim and join xtain, y bkus the xtians boast wit d name of Jesus Christ, and its workn unlike muslim who said they revered muhammed whose name is powerless. Thats y u wil find in d haux of a muslim all kinds of charms

"A frnd of my jst left muslim..." Holy ghost must be in-charge of your grammar. A friend of mine just left christianity as well. OP is a muslim and he is proud.
The name of jesus is powerless, shikena!!!

omogeyoyo: Y will you argue with someone dat does not even know d gravity of what he is saying. Pls leave him alone. If you want to compare two things you ought to have tried both before you know which one is better. May God forgive u cos you don't know wat you are saying.

May God forgive your brainwashed brain too.

One of my favourite verses is: "And it shall be that whoever will not hear My words, which He speak in My name, I will require it of him." - Deuteronomy 18:19.

Allah's (SWT) promises will never go unfulfilled.

@enilove, I am aware that the Prophet lived for years after the event happened. What kind of food poison is that if I may ask?

Should it be able the number of miracles or rather the gift of miracle? Nigerian pastors arguably have done more miracles more than Jesus (PBUH) and what does that indicate? There are more holy than Jesus (PBUH) right? Definitely not!

The true account is that Allah initially – on the night of the Mi’raaj when our Prophet (PBUH) was taken up into heaven – enjoined fifty prayers to be performed night and day. Then the Prophet (PBUH) kept asking his Lord to reduce it until it became five prayers to be offered night and day. But Allaah decreed the reward of fifty prayers for these five, so whoever prays five prayers will receive the reward of fifty prayers.

"Indeed, the example of Jesus (PBUH) to Allah is like that of Adam. He created Him from dust; then He said to him, "Be," and he was." Al-Imraan 3:59. Adam (as) was first man and first prophet but he was not a Messenger, because of the hadeeth about intercession in which it says that the people will go to Nooh and say to him, “You are the first Messenger whom Allaah sent to the earth.” This text clearly indicates that Nooh was the first of the Messengers.

I find it quite unbelievable that Jesus (PBUH) never predicted the coming of Muhammed (PBUH) according to christians. This is so strange considering the number of events he predicted. But I've heard some say that Muhammed was predicted as a false prophet. Here is a verse from the bible that actually talked about a false prophet. "Jesus answered them, ‘Watch out that no one misleads you. For many will come in my name, saying, "I am the Christ," and they will mislead many ... Then if anyone says to you, "Look, here is the Christ!" or "There he is!" do not believe him. For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. Remember, I have told you ahead of time.’" Matthew 24:4-5, 23-25. This description does not fit Muhammed (PBUH) in anyway. You will even agree with me that that description fit perfectly with some GOs we have today. Prophet Muhammed (PBUH) was definitely predicted in the bible and not the Holy spirit because the Holy spirit was already around and the verse was a reference to a human.
Genesis 1:2 "And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness [was] upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters."

1 Samuel 10:10 "And when they came thither to the hill, behold, a company of prophets met him; and the Spirit of God came upon him, and he prophesied among them."

1 Samuel 11:6 "And the Spirit of God came upon Saul when he heard those tidings, and his anger was kindled greatly."

"Then he remembered the days of old, Moses, and his people, saying, Where is he that brought them up out of the sea with the shepherd of his flock? where is he that put his holy Spirit within him?" (Isaiah 63:11)

"For he (John the Baptist) shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother's womb." (Luke 1:15)

"And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee." (Luke 1:35)

"And it came to pass, that, when Elisabeth heard the salutation of Mary, the babe leaped in her womb; and Elisabeth was filled with the Holy Ghost" (Luke 1:41)

"And his father Zacharias was filled with the Holy Ghost, and prophesied, saying," (Luke 1:67)

"And, behold, there was a man in Jerusalem, whose name was Simeon; and the same man was just and devout, waiting for the consolation of Israel: and the Holy Ghost was upon him." (Luke 2:25)

"And it was revealed unto him by the Holy Ghost (Simeon), that he should not see death, before he had seen the Lord's Christ." (Luke 2:26)

"And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him (Jesus), and a voice came from heaven, which said, Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased." (Luke 3:22)

"Then said Jesus to them again, Peace be unto you: as my Father hath sent me, even so send I you. And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost." (John 20:21-22).

My point with respect to the Nehemiah verse is which church is currently during that today. And the Matthew verse was Matthew 26:39.

The accounts of Jesus’ death and resurrection as depicted in the gospels are in serious conflict. Furthermore, Jesus’ resurrection appearances were not originally part of the gospel of Mark (the earliest of the four gospels). Mark originally ended at 15:8 with the women running from the tomb frightened. Verses 9-20 were a later addition. What the Christian scholars often overlook is the interesting phenomenon of later gospel manuscripts knowing more details than the earlier ones! This is a clear indication that those details were never part of the original oral and written accounts but were inserted into the later copies.The accounts of Jesus’ death and resurrection as depicted in the gospels are in serious conflict. Furthermore, Jesus’ resurrection appearances were not originally part of the gospel of Mark (the earliest of the four gospels). Mark originally ended at 15:8 with the women running from the tomb frightened. Verses 9-20 were a later addition. What the Christian scholars often overlook is the interesting phenomenon of later gospel manuscripts knowing more details than the earlier ones! This is a clear indication that those details were never part of the original oral and written accounts but were inserted into the later copies.

"So direct your face toward the correct religion before a Day comes from Allah of which there is no repelling. That Day, they will be divided." Ar-Room 30:43.

Please you can state the questions again explicitly because I didn't see any questions in your initial post.

Thank you.

@enilove

First of all, which Moses are you talking about here?

What year was Prophet Muhammed poisoned and what year did he died?

Many have performed miracles before him and many are still performing miracles till tomorrow. John the baptist was sinless as well. The similitude of Jesus (PBUH) is that of Adam (PBUH). They both had no earthly father and they are both great prophets of Allah.

Exactly what lesson do you want us to learn with respect to the event you narrated? That Muslims don't have cure for sickness and that's why they are all dead, rigt? It makes no sense to you the source of the power. As a Muslim I believe only (God) Allah heals. How old were you when this event happened?

Did Jesus (PBUH) founded christianity? No! Paul who never saw Jesus (PBUH) did. What is Paul's last name? Did Jesus (PBUH) tell you to worship him? No! Did Jesus (PBUH) died for our sins? No! "The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the father. Every man shall be put to death for his own sin." - Deuteronomy 24:16. Muslims worship God the way He should be worshiped. The way He was worship in Matthew 16:39 and Nehemiah 8:6. "And establish regular prayers at the two ends of the day and at the approaches of the night: for those things that are good remove those that are evil: be that the word of remembrance to those who remember (their Lord)". (Al-Qur’an 11:114).

The verses that conceived me Islam is the way are: Deuteronomy 18:18, Isaiah 29:12, John 16:7, John 16:12-14) among others.

enilove: I have many reasons why I had to decide for ever to be a christian, some of which are:

A friend once told me that the reasons why most people wish to cross from Islam to Christianity was because of laziness. He said most people find if hard to pray 5 times per day.I then wondered if truely it was God that gave us that kind of worship,because the hadith said the Muhammed went to heaven ,an Allah told him to tell his followers to be praying 50 times per day.Moses then asked muhammed to go back to God to ask for reduction.The 1st time it was reduced to 25, again Moses told him to go back and ask for reduction, because people will not be able to do it,and God changed it to 12,5 times ,he still went the fourth time b4 God gave him 5 times per day ,and when Moses asked him again to go back to God for reduction,Muhammed refused.
I then reasoned within me ,does Moses know more than God?This Allah does not know that to pray 50 times a day ,if you remove 6 hrs for normal sleep per day,we would have to be praying every 30 mins . I knew then that something was wrong with the religion.

Another determinant was the historical back ground of Muhammed and Jesus.I was told that Muhammed had many wives .He married someone that was about 20 years older than him.(1st wife)Khadijat or so.And also married many other wives including 6 year old Aishat ,the daughter of Abu bakir.She was betrothed to Muhammed at age 6 and the marriage consummated when she was 9 yrs old ,Muhammed was then 54 yrs old.He also married Zaynab his adopted son's wife .And Muhammed died of food poisoned by a Jewish woman.

I inquired about Jesus.The quran and the bible confirms his birth was through the holy spirit and the mother was a virgin before he was concieved in the womb.He performed many miracles, like the blind receiving their sights,raising the dead ,casting out demons etc. He did not marry.He died on the cross without sin.

When I thought of these things, I was convinced within me that Islam was not the way.I then went to my mother and told her my decision.She then told me that she too had witness the power of the God of the Christians when my junior brother,who was 6 months old then,almost died.she took him to the hospital for days no changes ,the alfa in her mosque told her to take him to the hospital,whereas she was just comming from the hospital. She said the next day when the situation became worse, she decided to go to a relative at Ishaga tedo, on her way, she saw a church along the road and something told her to take him there ,and she branched.She said the way they quickly received the child from her and started praying for my brother was something she will never forget in her life.She said d members and the pastor ,who did not know her ,prayed for the child as if the child was theirs(love) ,and my brother's temperature bcame normal and started eating .He had not taken food for days. She said they did not request a penny from her, but told her to be prayerful and she left .The alfas took money did hontu,but no result.
She was a muslim then ,when she narrated this to me.

There are still more reasons,but let me have you response on these.
Thanks.

Thank you for your contribution.
What are the other reasons? I will really love to respond but I want to do it at once.

adenuel2012:
Did u say first game assist. Sorry but it seems you didn't watch the match. Mikel gave long pass through to Ideye who gave it to Emenike and he scored. First game, second game, mikel gave d pass to emenike after struggling to get it from opponent. Emenike scored, bfore he missedd d spot kick. So far in all d three matches,he's been phenomenon, you can only beef him but u can't take away what dis guy have. God bless Nigeria.

Bros you really need to watch those matches again.
1. It was ideye who made assist in the first game. Mikel was only involved. If we go by your reasoning then all the 11 Nigerian players including the keeper made the assist since it was also someone who passed the ball to Mikel.
2. He missed the penalty in the first half and made the assist in the second half.
3. Trust me I'm the last person who will beef Mikel.

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Nice thread!

Phrankve1:




Do you still expect agholahor to make goaline clearances or run back to tackle players?

Dont even compare him to messi or ronaldo or falcao .. if anything goes wrong while this people are serving their country,they will never be forgotten,there families will be well taken care of but in our beloved country you will be remembered in the first few days and after then you no longer exist.

He might be right to an extent but he shouldn't forget this is the country that made him famous in the first place. I'm just wondering why he never consider this when he was playing at the under 17 and under 20 levels.

Geds: To all Mikel bashers, please note that he was involved in Nigeria's first two goals at the afcon and he doesn't lose possession of the ball easily. I didn't watch the Ethiopia game, but I'm sure he would have been one of the better performers on that day.

You see, when the media (especially the british media) start to report something - even if it is totally untrue- people start believing it. Unfortunately, Mikel is a victim of this.
It would be better if we all draw conclusions about his performances ourselves and not based on media reports. Our conclusions should take into consideration his role and what he is meant to do in that position and most importantly without bias.

Just leave the poor kid alone. At least he is one of Nigeria's best players (believe it or not).

Bros please try to watch the match first. I've always been a fan of Mikel right from under 17. I always refer to him as a stabilizer but he keeps disappointing me when it comes to Nigeria. Did he make assist in the first game? No! He only tried to make up for his missed penalty against Zambia. That's all.

Phrankve1: Everything that has mikels name on it people will come with their negative insight. This guy has been one of our best players in this tournament, I dont know why he is getting unnecessary hatred from Nigerians. Is there any nigerian player that has been able to play for a top club for 7 years and still counting.

Mikel was a better creative player before going to chelsea,due to the numbers in the midfield position he was converted to a holding midfielder. My question to all the haters... If you were in mikel's shoes and you were ask to become a keeper for chelsea with 20-30 million naira as your weekly wages would you refute the offer?

This guy has wiped poverty from his generation and you guys are here hating on him.

He might not be jay jay,but he is the best midfielder Nigeria has now .

Even some babes wey no understand football self dey talk,if there bf or hubby hate mikel dey don hate em be that..

And so fu**ing what? Is he the first player to be converted. Was Yobo not formally an attacker? He has been playing defence now for over a decade. Was agholahor not formally a right back? He is not the first player to be converted and he won't be the last.

Sometimes we destroy these players without knowing it. How much does he have compare to Messi, Ronaldo, Falcao, Rooney, Terry, Ver Persie and co yet you see this players giving more that 100% for their country.
What can you talk about Kanu who played for Ajax, Inter Milan and Arsenal with goals and brilliant perfomances to show for it and fantastic career with Nigeria. I still remember vividly how he wept at the Nations cup in 2000 in Lagos.

Each time I see Mikel I see a player who lacked confidence and is afraid of taking responsibility. It is so sad that we expect more than he can do from him. Don't even mention Okocha because for Nigeria Okocha is in a world of his own. Mikel is a classic example of luck.

That he wiped poverty from his generation, his family will be thankful to him. Nigeria will also be thankful to him for his performance in Holland 2005.

We still remember how he dodged the Beijing Olympics in 2008.

oludayomi: Oh my God, read ΰя̩̥̊ bible ђe took it 4rm one of ƌ̲̣̣̣̥ soldier. Dat ƌ̲̣̣̣̥ problem Ɣφΰ try 2 fight 4 ΰя̩̥̊ God.

Madam, stop contradicting yourself jare. He took it from one of the soldiers to slice yam abi? If what he did is not fighting for 'god' then what is it?

Just wondering why BABYOSISI, TIABUBU, PARIS LOVER and Company don't have anything to say.

elampiro: There is a certain team tutored by Adegboyenga Onigbinde, that team is the worst Eagles ever. I think they played a world cup in 2002.

That is not true. You need to watch Nigeria's matches against Sweden and England again. This is the worst Nigerian team I've seen in a tournament. I can come up with a team of players that were not included that will beat this team silly. Talk about Anichebe, Joel Obi, Akpala, Onuoha, Martins, Osaze, Taye taiwo, etc. The coach too is not helping things.

Religion of confusion and inconsistency!

I have never seen useless set of players like this before.
Brainless coach!