snailspeed:


Incredible! Some of you kids will never ever learn with the way you go about being proud of your ignorance. I am not really interested in the fight. I just wanted to enjoy the thread but was shocked at the level of ignorance among some of you. How can the Benin king title be Omo n'Oba n'Edo Uku Akpolokpolo? Do you even know what that means? Omo n'Oba n'Edo Uku Akpolokpolo is just like when you call someone a name like " the slayer of the mighty" or "the champion of the people". How is that the title of the stool?

Don't waste your time replying the mofos, it's obvious they don't think with their brain but with their anus.

I find all their jargons very funny Sha, they are seriously trying to be heard because they have disgraced themselves on here.
Jeez you need to read some of their histories especially their version of Lagos history. Them wan be on top everything lol, I think it's a sign of inferiority complex because the binis don't even care.

Dindondin:

You didn't counter other points, you only mentioned the part that you think you can talk about.
Learn more about your true history.
I m a Yoruba man, the one that thinks logically not with myths alone.
Eweka means my leaf (trado medicine) conquers it. And if its Owomika, it means my hand conquers it.
This is Oranmiyan's expression for naming is child Eweka.
It is Yoruba word.
You should tell me Benin's gave Yorubas their language too.
Only one thing is debatable, the migration of Oduduwa to Ife.
Even if he was Ekaladiran, the fact remains that his last son Oranmiyan was the 1st Oba of Benin.
Oranmiyan has elderly bro & sis. Alaketu, Olowu, Onipopo, Onisabe, Orangun of Ila Owa of Obokun. These towns still exist till today.
So...technically, Oba of Benin is younger than those listed above.
Why Benin's skip these part is what is not clear.
And claiming seniority over a group that is far advanced than you makes a mockery of your origin.
Benind should be logical with their story...

Lol Yorubas and lies eh, so Eweka don turn to Yoruba word.
Please stick to your version of Yoruba history and leave out bini in your misery.
We didn't skip nothing and have no reason to do that to an inferior people.

In Yoruba version your Oronmiyan was the last born which is non of our business,stick to what you know and we stick to what we know.

Wyttcat:
Yoruba allowed the conjecture for too long, waving it as the work of drunken Oba in Bini. Now we know they actually believe their own lies.

The "obagodo" too is a recent phenomenon that was thrown around me lately but, they couldn't defend it when I asked them to show where he was ever mentioned. They make up stories that can't stand each day. It's now "Imaduwa" not "izoduwa". The more they hear full meaning of a Yoruba word, the more they go rewrite their history. We haven't see the last of this, the more we allow their stories with no leg or tail to continue the more brazen they get.

The so-called oba in Bini is not even a real king, and this is what happens when A SLAVE IS ALLOWED IN THE HOUSE, HE BEGINS TO INSULT THE ROYALS.

Lol look who is calling bini Oba slave, you Yorubas are the real slaves that's why majority of you were sold during the slave trade. You people will continue to be slaves, you have been conquered several times not only by the bini kingdom.

Lol descendants of returned slaves always want to be heard.

frisky2good:
The current one chose "Omo n'Oba n'Edo Uku Akpolokpolo Erediauwa I" while the previous one was "Omo n'Oba n'Edo Uku Akpolokpolo, Akenzua II". Look stop deceiving yourself. The official title of Benin king is Omo n'Oba n'Edo Uku Akpolokpolo

Hehehe Yorubas and s tupidityy Sha are like Siamese twins. Please don't even write anything about the bini empire you obviously don't know nothing,please leave the bini empire out of your dead brain.

Owodo
{About 1059AD-1100AD}
He was the last Ogiso, of Igodomigodo
{Benin kingdom} banished to Ihinwirin for
the killing of a pregnant woman.He
brought a lot of stresses and hardship on
the nation he was incompetent. He more or
less fell back to the habit of not
summoning the state council meeting unless
there was trouble. He was preoccupied wit
the primogeniture law especially as he had
only one son who he thought might die
before him which might leave him without
a successor. This obsession drove him to
consult the oracle as to how he might have
more male children who might succeed him.
In the end, the tragic episode of
Ikaladerhan's banishment came into our
history. However, Ikaladerhan by a change
of fortune eventually emerged at Uhe (or
Ife) as a king with the appellation
Ododuwa derived from the Benin word
"Imaghidoduwa or Imadoduwa" which is an
exclamatory word "I have not missed the
path to prosperity" a reminiscence of his
surprise at his emerging as a king in a
strange land after having left as a
refugee.

Please note that there was no way Benin could have gone to look for a successor outside if truly the successor wasn't meant to occupy the throne, bini kingdoms had other Ogiso before Owodo and they had kids who could have taken over throne if the last Ogiso didn't have Child. The bini throne is hereditary so why would bini go out to look for a king?

PeterKbaba:
[b]My simple questions for the Benins will be:

How long did a runaway price from Benin take to walk from Benin to Ife (Probably 3 months).
How did he survive without food and water for this period?
How can a man so dirty and tired after walking for months, be able to convince the people in Ife, he came from the sky (A better place lol)?
What language did their prince speak to the Yoruba's in Ife when he got there and how were they able to understand?
How did the Benin know that their prince was alive in Yorubaland?

If the Benin claim they own the OBA title, Why did they have to change from Ogiso Dynasty to a new Oba Dynasty?
If you believe that Oduduwa was a prince from Ogiso, there should be no reason for the Dynasty change, you guys would have continued with the Ogiso.....

My Opinion is that, the Benin knew that the was no royal Male blood to carry on from the last Ogiso Dynasty. The was serious trouble in the Kingdom, so they called for help from their closest Spiritual/Prosperous Ife people to send a Royal male to impregnate their Royal princess, so the kingship could continue (Since kingship is from the Male blood line).

Unfortunately, Since a new Male Royal Blood from Ife arrived, they had to change Dynasty from Ogiso to Obaship.
End of Story[/b]

Sorry the Ogiso dynasty was before Eweka and the first Ogiso was known as I godo(40bc-16AD) Igodo Established the bini kingdom, he also created the edion Nene known as the four elders namely Oliha,
Edohen, Ero and Eholo they were chosen based on merit.
to help the Ogiso manage the affairs of the kingdom. Note that the bini kingdom had more than 30 Ogisos.

PeterKbaba:
[b]My simple questions for the Benins will be:

How long did a runaway price from Benin take to walk from Benin to Ife (Probably 3 months).
How did he survive without food and water for this period?
How can a man so dirty and tired after walking for months, be able to convince the people in Ife, he came from the sky (A better place lol)?
What language did their prince speak to the Yoruba's in Ife when he got there and how were they able to understand?
How did the Benin know that their prince was alive in Yorubaland?

If the Benin claim they own the OBA title, Why did they have to change from Ogiso Dynasty to a new Oba Dynasty?
If you believe that Oduduwa was a prince from Ogiso, there should be no reason for the Dynasty change, you guys would have continued with the Ogiso.....

My Opinion is that, the Benin knew that the was no royal Male blood to carry on from the last Ogiso Dynasty. The was serious trouble in the Kingdom, so they called for help from their closest Spiritual/Prosperous Ife people to send a Royal male to impregnate their Royal princess, so the kingship could continue (Since kingship is from the Male blood line).

Unfortunately, Since a new Male Royal Blood from Ife arrived, they had to change Dynasty from Ogiso to Obaship.
End of Story[/b]

How daft and stupid are your questions? Forget about the trekking thing, my great great grandma's Brother trekked a very long distance back home. They wanted to sell him into slavery but discovered he was a Prince after telling them about himself, his brother who was behind it all evenetually took over the throne but he still found his way back home.

hi op what's d lest amount you can accept.

Khodry:
Very educative argument in here. As for the contributors try and make your point without insulting anyone. From what have gathered so far, Benin is a sub set of Yorubas . Reason being that One Benin bredren rightly pointed out here that the first rain of Bini kingdom known as ogiso's mean the king of the sky which Yoruba's hold something similar as folklore of how oduduwa came into existence and we also red that from history of both. The Yoruba's from what we can see are still the majority compare to the benin's in term of land size and population, so Benin is part of Yoruba's from all indications . Let stop this battle of supremacy and work on how we can regain our passed glories and make Oduduwa land and Nigeria at large a better place for all.

Benin is not part of Yoruba get it.
Bini had Ogisos who were kings of the skys while Yoruba had Oduduwawa whom they claimed fell from the Sky.

Kings of the Sky is different from a masquerade that fell from the sky ok. If truly the Yorubas ever had a masquerade called Oduduwa then there is a possibility that it was one of Ogisos who was amongst the kings of the Sky in Bini that landed in Ile Ife.

So I think the story is balanced now.

And don't even depend on population as a yardstick for comparism. Read more about Great empires of the world. Do you know where the lineage of Queen of England came from?

Brilliance9000:
Igbo women are so beautiful.

Eish you call that beautiful, you must be shortsighted.

OPCNAIRALAND:


You dont need a conquest to be great. Ife is a spiritual center, not a political one but from this Oduduwa throne other great colonies and Empires were seeded, Bini amongst them. Ife was a centre of learning and authority in bronze art, Ife the city of palisades, back in the dark ages of knowledge in Africa, Ife already established an independent civilization, art, cult and urbanism found only among states of the Mediterranean sea. .

What else do you need to be great?

Lol bunch of losers and you where asking what other places were conquered by the bini kingdom apart from Yoruba meanwhile your Ife didn't even conquer nowhere.

Remove the log in your eye before you try doing same to another person.

That reminds me what territories were conquered by the Yorubas?? None of significance I know of so please hush about your Yoruba,stop feeling important when you are not.

Isn't it ironic and shameful that Ile-Ife that you all praise and claim that's the cradle of the Yoruba race was never an empire, that leads to my conclusion Ile Ife was obviously under the bini kingdom.

OPCNAIRALAND:
OmonOba Erediuwa had a identity conflict. He wont be first nor last.

Look, the English monarchy had to distant from their German root and drop their pedigree from Battenberg in order not.to create a political storm that could consume their English hereditary.

You can write epistle and deny in media who your King is, you cannot and will not reverse the deeds of authority installed over you by Yoruba. Its a done deal!

Your kings are the ones with identity crisis,please take bini out of your trashy,nonsense history.
You people are inferior and not worth been part of.

OPCNAIRALAND:
^^^
Dude,
Stop wasting people's time. Tell your palace officials to hush, when it comes to Yoruba they are no match.

Until you can articulate a greatness for Bini that is not in anyway attached with Ife, you have failed to convince me of your claims and postulations....

Please o what made Ife great? What territories were conquered by Ife?

Benin empire I know,Oyo empire I know. Never heard about Ife empire. Please explain.

What made the Ife great?

Adewummy007:

The revealer of the secret that does not want his/her name to be in the print showed the invalidity of the news.
BenBruce tweeted yesterday that all that performed at his birthday celebration came to perform FOC

As in eh don't mind the idiotic op and his group of lie Mohammeds.

shey them say na only igbo girls dey fine and yellow like this.
Are they Igbos I don't understand?

At op you are foolish, the artist came out to support him for free. Ben Bruce created the atmosphere that made most of them what they are today.

Find something else to type next time, lies don't sell anymore.

Diademk07:

LOL! That highlighted part cracked me up!
As if Bini doesn't have their own folklores!
You know I'm a graduate of uniben right? I can boldly say that when we were lectured Evolution and fossils, our lecturer asked each person from different tribes in our midst to give their own account of creation! And what the bini guy in our midst explained is also a folklore about somebody descending from the sky although with a different name.
The scientist has their big bang version of creation, christians has theirs! Hence, why shouldn't Yoruba have theirs? Is that a crime? Even the bini has theirs!
However, when we talked about the Oduduwa who ended up becoming the ruling kling of Ife, that is no folklores!
That being said, bini is a corruption of ile-ibinu which was later modified to benin by the British!
On the language, I would advice you to stop discussing on Yoruba if you know nothing about them! Maybe I should also ask your ignorant head why won't a Yoruba man understand the Oyo dialect when it's the general Yoruba language all Yoruba use in communication inspite of the different dialects!
Just go and find your lost bastard somewhere else!

Keep disgracing yourself o, I won't reply you again.
Waste of time and efforts.

Diademk07:

And now they are claiming Benin Republic!
How many times do these senile people have to be told that Bini is different from benin Republic? As a matter of fact, it was the Whites that changed Bini to Benin due to their intonation!
You asked why the oceans were named bight of Benin, it was because the West is bordered by Benin republic, dummy! Benin republic is already a name the British are accustomed to than say Yoruba or Awori!
That being said, the highlighted part of your post is so funny! It's one of the ridiculous statement I've ever seen! I don't want to believe that a normal person would ask if Yoruba has a language in which they use for communication! Only a dummy wouldn't know all Yorubas has and understand the general Yoruba language irrespective of the various dialects!
Even with the dialect, we can still understand one another although we may not be able to speak the various dialect! That can't be said for Edo where Ishan can't understand Bini language and don't even have a common general language! Bini that look different from the likes Ishan, akoko Edos despite being in a state is the one laying claim all the way to Benin republic? How did you jump there? Can you imagine the nonsense? LOL!
Do you know of any ancient map of the west africa where Yoruba can't be found? Look at one below and tell me you can't find Yoruba in there! There's no map and I repeat no map where Yoruba empire isn't found!
Lastly, we have folklores of how Oduduwa descended on this earth and gave birth to Yoruba just as the Christian has their version of creation! Nobody know where we all came from however one thing known is that all Yoruba descended from Ife! Ife is the home! Another is that an Oduduwa, a real man came to Ife from no where in particular and became the ruling king! One thing known is that all the influences made by him was that of an Egypt man and not Bini!
Hence, you senile people should go look for your lost bastard prince somewhere else!

Hehehe as usual confused history twisters, You'all should keep disgracing yourselves. The whole world is watching how good you people are at lieing.

I thoughts you fools wrote here that it was one of your Obas that brought about the name Benin? You fools claimed that it was named ile-ibinu which later translated to Benin.

Make una dey disgrace unaselves o, Now you people have are now also claiming that that they are two types of Oduduwa you nutheads have forgotten that some of Us studied history and we know when you mofos are lieing.

I guess you haven't even watched your movie Oduduwa that was acted by you lots, in the film it was only one Oduduwa and the Oduduwa fell from the sky.

Keep deceiving and disgracing yourselves.

Oh and Fyi Ishan and Bini language are similar and they understand each other.

Tell me do all Yorubas speak the core Yoruba language which is spoken by Oyo state people, so keep all your trash you wrote here to yourself.
We know you all and your lies.

Lol very funny, Kanye said he needs more access to money and Access Bank now decided to reply him.

PetroDolla3:
Classic mumu talk! Your dustbin country should pity Ghana? Such shambolic and foolish talk! Utter crap! Your mudafaka shith0le country needs pitying, huh? Shit paper has more value than your useless currency! Fuckeduppedness

Duh say whatever you like, my Country is still better than yours in million ways.

I think our Federal Government should take it easy on Ghana, though Ghanaians can be annoying but I think we should pity them.

Keneking:
At least burger peanut would stop entering our space as well.

As in eh the owners of that burger peanuts go don make millions from the Nigerian market, they are everywhere.

Born2Breed:


ANSWER these questions though I doubt if you can since you are daft and comprehending kindergartens stuff is an enormous task to you.

........

(1) Do you believe ODUDUWA is the ancestral father of the Yoruba people?
Many Yoruba scholars claim oduduwa fell from the sky to Yoruba land. Where actually did he land? , Any sign ?. Others say he came from the east, ok, did he meet people in the so called Yoruba land? If yes, then how can oduduwa now be their ancestral father?

(2) Do Yoruba have any historic monument like the pyramid structures in Old Benin and Great Benin Moat, similar monuments in Zimbabwe, Timbuktu in Mali? Any sign of an empire in the region as claimed do Oyo?(not talking about clay molded or primitive bronze artifacts many claim dating back to 10BC or the two structures in Oyo-lle, the Alaafin palace and his village market, nor either the slave raiding westward, east ward or northward story. I mean physical structures that tell of an ancient civilization?.

(3) When and where was Yoruba presence first felt in West African history? Why no reflection of Yoruba in many ancient maps of West Africa?

(4) Was Yoruba territory in British pre- Nigeria creation say 1600-1900, same with, 1914 and again in 1960 to 1967? What expanded it and why? Were there aborigines in those territories say owo, kwara, ondo and Lagos before their presence during the British colonial period? If there were aborigines, then who were they?

(5) Did Yoruba Oyo had a National flag and a centralize hereditary monarchy like the Benin before Britain in Nigeria? Why couldn't they ? What was Yoruba boundary with Dahomey before the creation of Nigeria vs. Togo boundary? Anything in common with Togo? For how long was that and why?

(6) If Yoruba clan, the awori as claimed was a kingdom or aborigine of Lagos before Britain why weren't they first to trade with European or Portuguese in the region? Why did the first Europeans to the region not name the ocean "Bight of Awori" but The Bight of Benin.? After all, The Europeans themselves were only interested on trade, slaves and commodities as they careless who they meet.

(7) Isn't true the word Yoruba is a hausa-fulani word? Used to identify people of Oyo? (Basically the real Yoruba settlers, who migrated from Togo or Dahomey to their present location in Oyo). Anything to do with African tradition or Islam?

( If true, slave trade swept off Oyo (the only known Yoruba land at the time), and an invasion of Islam, where did they get their further population from and the African traditional religion, like the Olokun, ogun, oronmila, etc?

(9) Do Yoruba have one language and one ancestral city like Benin to all Edo people and dialects? If no, then why?

(10) In 1974, an approval was granted Dahomey by Oba Akenzua II of the Benin Kingdom to change the name of the country to Republic of Benin. Why didn't Republic of Benin(Togo) go to Yoruba being that they are closer and there really was an Oyo empire that stretches to Togo as Yoruba historians claim?. Does that also reveal or shows that Benin Empire stretched beyond the entire Yoruba land! To Dahomey at a time?

(11) Who was the first king (ooni) of Ife and what year or time of reign? and who was the first king of oyo and what year or time of reign?... at what time any of the king bears "Oba" as a title?

(12) Before the Portuguese came to Nigeria the administrative rulership of Benin Kingdom was already organised and structured as a soverign Nation/country/Kingdom with no camparism in the sub-region

Take am easy on am o, you wan kill the guy with questions lol.
Pity him as his oral history has failed him, he doesn't even know the year his Oduduwa fell from the sky?

macof:



oga the dynasty is the issue here. ...the first reference is to the progenitor of the dynasty not first on the stool. .. go to Eko, Ologun Kutere is referenced almost daily

Oba of Benin dynasty is of Ife origin like yoruba Obas. ..simple! so we will continue to place omo n'oba n'edo as 3rd where he belongs. Bini people don't need to feel inferior to yorubas, yorubas aren't into supremacy battle with you. ..most yorubas admire and love Bini

Lol see this one who are you to categorize any Oba, an Oba that's not even Yoruba. Please face your front and categorize all your yeye Obas, count the respected bini Oba out of your debris.

Diademk07:

LOL!
Ugbowo is now where Owo was defeated? I no fit laugh!
Have you've been to Owo before? Do you know many towns you would encounter from Uniben (benin city) to Owo? How could Owo be defeated in a place quite far from them? Just see the conjectures everywhere
Bini and lies, eh!
That reminds how the same senile bini people said Ekosodin was where Eko people were defeated! How could Eko be defeated in a place as far back as bini?
I ask again where was the phantom bini empire? Prove with evidence to back up claims that the empire even existed in the first place?
Yeye people!

Please stop misquoting bini history,show us evidence of the trash you have just written here. Binis aren't as daft as you to claim stuff without evidence so please kindly show the world evidence of where binis wrote all these jargons.

Descendant of a masquerade that's what you are.
That reminds me I have watched the movie on Oduduwawa,perhaps you need to watch it too to see how your Oduduwawa fell from the sky

Diademk07:

LOL!
Ugbowo is now where Owo was defeated? I no fit laugh!
Have you've been to Owo before? Do you know many towns you would encounter from Uniben (benin city) to Owo? How could Owo be defeated in a place quite far from them? Just see the conjectures everywhere
Bini and lies, eh!
That reminds how the same senile bini people said Ekosodin was where Eko people were defeated! How could Eko be defeated in a place as far back as bini?
I ask again where was the phantom bini empire? Prove with evidence to back up claims that the empire even existed in the first place?
Yeye people!

Please stop misquoting bini history,show us evidence of the trash you have just written here. Binis aren't as daft as you to claim stuff without evidence so please kindly show the world evidence of where binis wrote all these jargons.

Descendant of a masquerade that's what you are.
That reminds me I have watched the movie on Oduduwawa,perhaps you need to watch it too to see how your Oduduwawa fell from the sky

Diademk07:

A phantom empire that has no evidence to back up claim it ever existed is a myth!

If it is a myth that the Benin empire ever existed to you then the whole history of Yoruba is hogwash.

Diademk07:

LOL!
As an Ondo native and Uniben alumni, I reiterate that we have nothing to do with Bini! Bini clowns wouldn't stop to denigrate themselves! How could Bini rule Benin republic yet has no influence in Oyo which borders Benin Republic nor influence in Benin republic herself as opposed to the number of Yoruba natives cutting across the West to Togo and Benin Replublic?
How can Bini claim to have Okun god when thgey have no sea in the first place?
How about these clowns providing evidence to back up claims that Bini was an empire or that the Lost bastard was Oduduwa? LOL! The joke is on you!
That being said, Yoruba have folklores and at the same time, tend to give real men/women names affiliated with the Folklore!
For instance, Oduduwa is a folklore myth but at the same time, there was a person named Oduduwa, who ruled Ife for many years! Same as Ogun, Obatala, Sango and his 3 wives (Oba, Oya etc). We all have them in numbers as a real person and folklores! Don't get it twisted!

Hehehehe You descendants of a masquerade (Oduduwa) won't kill me with laughter.
It's very obvious you all don't know shit about history. Why am I even replying you sef.

bigfrancis21:


I like this. I appreciate your capacity for intellectual reasoning and to see sentiments. It is widely acknowledged in Yoruba mythology that Oduduwa was not born in Yoruba land. Mythology has it that he fell from the sky (which is a myth as the name goes, however science has proven that nobody is able to fall from anywhere in the sky), which is symbolic for referring to someone coming into ancient Yoruba territory from outside. In other words, in actual terms Oduduwa wandered into ancient Yoruba territory from outside, and on seeing him the Yorubas proclaimed him their king. While not forgetting his roots or in remembrance of where he came from, he sent his own son back to his fatherland to rule as a king. Piecing the dots together, it all makes much better sense.

Thank you so much for this.

Onijagidijagan:

Yorubas all knows Oduduwa is not frm benin ..oba of bini has been isolated to his empire in d south south. .he sud go 2 hell cuz yoruba's culture is already known worldwide.

If my oba should go to he'll then yours can go to blazes for all we care.

opal4real:



Benin has but One king. How many do your Yoruba have? The palace has spoken count Benin out of ur battle of supremacy.
You are children of slaves and a conquered tribe.
Read your history kid. The Dahomiens,Nupe,Fulani n co has defeated and ruled over you severally. Mention one tribe in Nigeria that ever conquered Benin.
I bet you don't even know that yaariba was a derogatory word used in d past to mock your ancestors. Go ask your mother who your real father is. Children of many fathers.

Lol see finishing, truth is they don't know their history.
They have too many versions to know their true history and the oral traditions they so much rely on has even made it worse by twisting their history for them. Confused set of people.

OPCNAIRALAND:


Look in the picture of Yoruba Obas taken in 1937. What is your Omo n'Oba doing there?

Please omo Yoruba we don't want to be part of you people, your propaganda is too much.

People reading the trash you Yorubas have been writing here can deduce that you people are liars.

mrDennis:


Smiles , after seeing my rebuttal to decided to add number 3.

You are empty ... This is a map of Benin empire and oyo empire . *take away dahomey whch oyo didn't rule over for long and compare .

Also if that is how Benin rep. Got the new name WHERE does the word Benin come from?. And how did Benin empire get the name since the WHOLE. World was aware of the kingdom .

People like you are so proud , u can't even ask GOoGLE. For small issues ,

If you like add number 4= lmao

Done replying EMPTY heads .

Seriously I read the trash the idiot quoted me in, he thinks people are stupid and daft as he is.
Let's not bother replying him again, he is Yoruba they can do anything to twists their history just to be on top.