Workch:
If you cannot explain what I asked, that will make me Christian ultimately then go play with your fellow idiot, Dtruthspeaker. It’s just long argument you are looking for

Don’t drag me Into long arguments

@Lordreed and what's the other one NaijaSatanlst or so...

Is this what atheism has reduced to? To make a claim and not being able to defend it. To speak on what you don't know and then want to turn the argument around?

Look at his OP, he made a claim, I invited him afterwards for discussion on his claim, but he started to tell me to be the one to prove.

Is like he is still a learner or wannabe in atheism. Please help him to know how to put his money where his mouth his.

Workch:
Seriously dude, today I have no time and space for religious morons like you and Dtruthspeaker.
I know you are triggered but I can troll you tomorrow. Today is for sound arguments. Ok?

Sound argument?
Isn't that what I asked you for?
Let's start Bro,

Genesis 1:1-4
What do you know about it. Since you have read the Bible.

Workch:
I am not here to argue with noisemakers today.
I will wait for more reasonable people who are ready to bring hard logic.

You can keep bleating all you want

Noise maker? By asking you to prove what you said? Isnt that what atheist love to do, to seek proofs?

Don't disappoint me and your thread this afternoon. Commence a Bible study here, let's see you truly read the Bible and not regurgitating false and erroneous information you were taught from it.

The Bible is online if you don't have one. Let's Kickstart.

Workch:
Atheism is not the believe that god doesn’t exist, atheism is the disbelief in a god claim in the absence of testable evidence.

I cannot say that a God does exist or not, but I need evidence to know if it does, which those who make positive claim should provide. In other words, I’m an agnostic atheist.

However, I am very sure that the “Christian and Islam concept” of gods do not exist. The evidence against such descriptions of god are overwhelming. These descriptions can be tested and proven negative by experimentations that will force Christians and Muslims to shift the goalpost which they have been doing since the inception of the religion. The stories religious books have been proven to be bogus time and time again, they tend to always create subtle explanations so the Bible and Quran will remain relevant. Most claims in these books always test negative in the face of experimentation and gathering of data.

A god may exist though I do not believe a god exist, but I know that the Christian and Islam god do not exist. We are sure that the description given by Christians is false.

Nah small small. You will soon find that god you seek. Even though you are an atheist online, your heart seeks for a god offline. You will soon find it. We are all here as the future beckon.

But please respond to my post on your other post, I want to learn your Bible interpretation Sir.

Kobojunkie:
A follower of Jesus Christ is one who does as Jesus Christ say - John 15 vs 14 - and obeys His teachings and commandments alone John 14 vs 15 vs 25. You only the other hand follow the doctrines and traditions of men( their churches included) - Matthew 15 vs 1 - 14 & Mark 7 vs 1 - 23 - in and so cannot be of Him - this according to Jesus Christ Himself.

You cannot bow to the doctrines and traditions of men and that of God at the same time. It is impossible for since Jesus Christ made it clear that no one who belongs to Him serves two masters.

Your issue is the master you pray to and fast to. If you want to begin by switching to following Jesus Christ instead of your churches and their doctrines, great. Other than that, Jesus Christ's teachings and promises apply to those who belong to Him instead.

Is this the reason his businesses is facing challenges Sir?

Workch:
Time waster as usual.

No I am not wasting time. I am waiting for you to prove what you wrote. You made an accusation. I need evidence of your accusation that you have truly read the Bible. This is what is important to me.

At least if we are to follow someone, we should follow one who know road.

Discuss what you know from the Bible here, you are the one who will do that. I am a student here.

Workch:
Dude, just explain what I asked you to.
If I can be convinced that Mary gave birth to Jesus without a Y-chromosome, I will become a Christian today and I will never talk I’ll about Bible anymore.

I’m not here to argue back and forth with you or prove that I’m knowledgeable. I just need this one thing to convince me about the veracity if Christianity. It’s not an IQ tussle man

Me? Explain to a teacher? A master?

You need to read your OP again, it seems you have forgotten what you wrote. You are the one who is to show me what I can't see.

And now I am begging you to do it. Please once again. Let's have this discussion since you know the Bible well. You are already making me feel like you aren't saying the truth about you reading your Bible well and understand it's false.

Please again

Inquiryhub:
For some months, I have been battling some issues such as been disappointed, things going bad, I mean when it seems there’s way or it’s finally done, things just go for worse.

I also have an observation which is it seems when I tend to use prayer water, perfumes, etc. things get more worse.

Is there an explanation to this? I am a Christian and yeah I pray and fast too but I haven’t seen changes

NB: I am extremely hardworking and I give more than what anyone else will give when doing things but it seems like anything I’m doing that’s suppose to make me a better person keeps getting bad. I mean everything I try doing just keeps going sideways.

The problems at times seems like things I can’t understand. My buisness went down from 110% - 20%

I have never borrowed money and one way I did so abs the business just had issues. Goods got held on, demurrage got high, sold at loss.

Now I’m owing bank and I’m also at loss.

My bank has held on my money for 6 months now and I have gotten a court order but nothing has been done .

Bro, what you wrote up there is what any serious business man face at intervals. You shouldn't start reading meaning to it. I don't see anything wrong with you at all. Please don't try to bring problem to yourself when non exist.


Even banks, that you owe are owing. And that's how businesses are. It's for the strong heart. Writing a spiritual lines on it won't be a good way.

Should you pray? Sure yes.

But, when businesses aren't working well, it means you need a better business strategy, of cause God's wisdom will guide you. But don't forget that we have unbelievers who run businesses and do very well. I am not talking about using fetish things. Strong and strategic men run businesses without faith in God, likewise they also face challenges in businesses with or without faith in God and they resolve it. That is how business world is.


What can you do.
Restrategize,
Be patient
Seek support
And be hopeful for a good change.

This is what great businesses you see today do.

Hence, start spending your time thinking on getting your business on track back than using perfumes or water or getting discouraged.

Likewise spend time to pray, trusting in God's wisdom to handle your current situation.

Do this with patience, be hopeful and your business will rise back and better, flying high with the strength of a thousand eagles.

Workch:
I don’t want an unending argument. That’s what you are trying to create.
Just tell me the logic behind a woman giving birth to a male offspring without the contribution of a Y-chromosome. Owing to the fact that parthenogenesis has never been observed in any mammalian species and the gene has not been identified.

There’s no point taking me through the whole Bible, we don’t have time for that.

Please now.
I want to learn from that your massive knowledge of the scriptures. Don't shy away from this. I know you are sure of your knowledge, I want to help you market it here well by exposing the Bible. Please let's start it.

If not, no one will see you as being truthful or honest. I want everyone to see you as a honest man, a savior and deliverer from the bondage of the Bible. Don't you think it's what you have always desire.

Genesis 1:1-4 should be a good start. What do you think.

Workch:
There is nothing too difficult to understand in the bible.

What is difficult in understanding words written in English that Jesus was born without the usual gamete fertilization. No Y chromosome, Mary had magical operations performed on her somehow that even you do not understand.
The Bible is the most ridiculous book in history


Lol

Good, I will like an open explanation from you here. To take a journey of Bible interpretation from its beginning with you here. I agreed the Bible is easy to know and that you have read it well and know it's false based on your knowledge.

Can we take this up, to examine the scriptures from its beginning. At least we can start with few text in Genesis here, so that you can let me see what I can't see that you are seeing. Since you have read it well.

I await your agreement.

sonmvayina:


Idol of a man..

God commanded us in his 2nd commandments
" do not make the image or LIKENESS of anything in heaven, on earth or under the waters below the earth, do not bow down to them or serve them"...
The romans created a god in the image and likeness of a man , something that is found on earth and Africans are mumuishly worshipping him without asking any questions. The ones that have asked and seen the idolatry and scam are now labeled as outsiders...

Jesus has got nothing to do with God. He was created at the Council of nicea...

Can you do a brief on how Jesus was created at Nicea. I hope you have read the Nicea council report well.

Put in mind.
The purpose of the meeting was to resolve issues among Christ preachers.

That
1. The reason for the Council is because Jesus was already being preached and its to resolve the issues among the preacher. All the doctrine of Christ were already in motion.

2. The conveyor, the emperor was known as a Christian, that is a follower of Christ. Hence he wouldn't have been the one who created Christ if he has been a follower. History had it that his mother or grand was a Christian.

Putting this in mind. Can you explain how Jesus was created in 3rd century when he was already being preached from the 1st century.

sonmvayina:


Jesus is just an idol....serapis

Idol of what Sir?

Workch:
Buy a Bible, don’t read it and you will be a Catholic.

Buy a Bible, read only what suits you and you will be come an evangelical Christian.

But a Bible, read it fully, analyze it, reason it, you will never become a Christian. You will discover that the book is utter nonsense and highly unreliable.

Preacher man.

A Bible that you yourself haven't read for once.

You have opened the pages but have not taken time to read. Yet you become an adviser.

Why are you like this. You aren't helping yourself. Trying to live in deceit and self denial isn't a life. You need to forgive your scanners and yourself Bro. It's a time of the unknown.

You don't criticize what you don't know. You can't even. It's obvious in all you write.

jubrilELsudan:



ODE I KNOW THAT YOU HOPING SHE SEEING THIS SO THAT YOU CAN USE IT TO FVCK HER.

So much of a "Christian" instrumentalist.

It's obvious Children aren't safe with you. They should put a mark of your head to identify people like you. A danger to his environment.

The best help you need now is for your helper to bundle you to those places they flog the "devil" out of their lives. Those are places that fits people like you who have refused faith in the word. So that the deceit can at least help your mind.

Because you have refused to even learn God's word but running around with shameless face.

jubrilELsudan:



YOU ARE MOST STUPID....YOU THINK AM A HUNGRY INSTRUMENTALIST THAT PASTORS TREAT LIKE THEY DOING ME A FAVOR BY ME PLAYING IN THEIR CHURCH?

PASTORS BEG ME TO CUM PLAY IN THEIR CHURCHES.

TOP MUSICIANS BEG ME TO CUM PLAY FOR THEM.

CORONA FALL INSIDE YOUR ANUS.

Epèlé wise instrumentalist.

You are not even ashamed, shouting intrumentalist up and down. Not surprised that your utterance is very shameful. Go and replace your instrument with bible and become a serious Christian. It's a foolish pastor that needs your sounds more than your heart. A good pastor should close his ears when your hands produce any musical sound and send you to children church to start learning basics of Christianity.

The Pastors looking around for you aren't different from you. You all seems to just want to serve yourself.

A pastor that have your good in mind must have known by now that you aren't a serious Christian. He is supposed to take away that soundless instrument from you and place you under God's word for at least 2 years before you can even play dò re mí on any instrument again.

I will rather sing and worship along with a Bible committed "off key" player than shameless "professional" whose heart is sold to pretence and deceit.


But I am not surprised, that you are even proud of your shameful utterance and actions publicly. When hands do the thinking and are celebrated more than the hearts, this is what we get.

Tì e un bá é lo
Your own is going with you.

frank317:


how exactly does this meaningless rant make you feel? the way some Christians think sha... u need to even sound like u have knowledge before u start talking of knowledge.

oga park well

I have seen silly people claim knowledge online, i have seen one who never hold a book before claim to be a professor. I am not surprised that you seat in such congregation. Everyone now has knowledge so far you have a phone and data. I understand.

NaijaSatanlst:

Lmao. It's directed at your post cause I don't understand.

I am helping you emphasized it too. Dont you like it that way?

NaijaSatanlst:


I'm not asking a rhetorical question here. I am genuinely asking you to show me where I generalized so that I can correct my self. Generalization will be saying something like, All Christians are X, when I know very well that not all Christians are X

When I called pastors scammers, I am not coming from the perspective of "fake pastor Vs true pastor". I am coming from the fact that the stories they peddle each Sunday, are simply untrue.

You need not defend it, you are perfectly right. You have seen all pastors preached and understand their scamming tactics. No need to defend further. Your generalization is so perfect.

NaijaSatanlst:

*visible confusion*

very visible

NaijaSatanlst:


You keep pulling the word, "generalization" and you are yet to provide anything to back up your claim of me generalizing. Even if it is based on generalization, isn't the generalization based on observation?

The last time I checked it's religious folks who love generalising Atheists.

Like i told your colleague, you have won the argument. I accept that your generalization is perfect, based on observation. Thanks. The other lady generalization was based on assumptions, right? There is no need to flog this. Take time to go back to your posts/comments and start learning how to defend your generalizations. I wont do that for you.

NaijaSatanlst:


What do pastors preach? Talking snakes, a global flood, virgin birth and seas dividing. Those are all middle eastern myths, peddled today by pastors as truths. Yes all pastors are scammers.

So I am asking, show me an actual instance where I generalized.

I am discovering a new trend among Atheists now. The ability not to be able to truthfully accept a fault and move on. I am still observing it but i already have my inference from you and some other lads. That is what is important to me now. I will keep observing.


Secondly, your explanation of what you wrote as being taught shows clearly what you feed on. I really wonder why Atheist claim to learn so much and never learn how to handle simple explanation of an ancient book. They carry their confusion from the said false preacher and still use same as the platform of their arguments. It shows a whole lot about what isnt learnt by you rather than what you have truly learn as an athiest over time.

NaijaSatanlst:



Again, where was the generalization? Are pastors scammers or not? Do they tell lies or not?

The lifeline of Atheism is the lack of faith. Grab a dictionary.

Again, associating atheism with cultism is contradictory and that's why it was rightfully flagged.

You said ALL Pastors are scammers. And you dont see that as generalization? I guess you must have met all pastors in this world and interviewed them well to come to such conclusion. You tried. It is okay, weldone.

Secondly, Get my poser well, The lifeline of atheism ARGUMENT ON THE FAITH is generalization. This is already confirmed in your post above.

kingxsamz:


Abeg shift.
E pain am.
Next time think before quoting me.
Good day.

The way some of you overrate yourself online is very funny .

Pain?
Even on NL here, you are not close to one of my worries.


You must be riding on the moon this afternoon. What a life, online

NaijaSatanlst:

Whatever generalization you are talking about is based on observation. Is it generalization to say that Christians play a role in the promotion of the idea of "money ritual"? No.

Whenever I want to talk about something that I know is only practiced in one Christian sect, like JWs refusing/discouraging blood transfusion I used the phrase, "some Christians". That's why I am asking you to show me a place where I actually generalized and you are failing to do that.

Most Atheists don't argue about religion. The ones who do, focus on the religion they are most familiar with.

I am sure you can defend this generalization like your friend did.

https://www.nairaland.com/6808392/all-pastors-scammers

That is your post. Just one of many.

So, get this well. I dont have issues with your generalization because i know that is the lifeline of Athiesm argument on the faith. So no issue. But to be flagging a righteous card when you are served the same pills will be hypocrisy. That is the point here.

kingxsamz:



What now? Do you want to cry about it?
The so called trophy has been with me since you mentioned me thinking you were being sleek. You probably felt it was a "got ya" moment and decided to mention me. Now that I've responded, you're lost and talking about trophies. Why not stick to your argument? clown.

You have the trophy and yet there is still an argument? Wake up Bro, you are in a celebration mode not playing mode. You have won all arguments.

NaijaSatanlst:


What is the definition of Atheism and how does it concern Christianity?
You accuse me of generalising, so bring out the evidence, where have I generalized?

This is exactly what your fellow Brother said earlier when i told him same. After showing him his unrepented generalization, he made a you turn and said generalization is a good thing. Then i dash him a trophy without playing the final.

Sorry, sir, i dont think i have the energy to be pointing you to what is obvious in almost all your post. You may need to take time and carefully do that yourself. But take this as i told you. If you cant generalized as an Athiest, you will have no hold or argument on Christian faith.

kingxsamz:


@bolded, this is why you should read to comprehend and not to rant.
You shouldn't be replying like a secondary school kid. At least understand first.



This was what I said. If you were quick at grasping information quickly, you wouldn't have missed that. Generalizations are okay when it's true. Try again.

Why are you struggling to take your trophy? You dont need to go around again looking for a replay. You have won, since generalizing is perfect knowledge. keep it up. It shows a perfect display of your acclaimed intelligence.

NaijaSatanlst:


Where did I generalize? What generalisation are you talking about? Are you mistaking me for kingxsamz, because I saw you arguing with him earlier.

No i am not mistaken you. I havent found an Athiest who doesnt base his argument about the faith on generalization. It is the bedrock of atheism for Christian faith.

kingxsamz:


Good. Now tell us if Christians dread the anti-christ or not.
You're almost there.

Wait for the first Trophy to finish loading, to enjoy the time. There is still more tournament for you to win and enjoy your imagination.

NaijaSatanlst:
As seen on another thread:




Atheism means lack of belief in any deity. We don't worship/share any form of belief system. The moment you start worshipping/believing in something even if it's a cult, that is moment you'd become a theist. A cultist is not an atheist.

Atheists don't take blood oaths or rituals, because again, we don't believe in any supernatural nonsense.

You know people who believe in the supernatural are called CHRISTIANS.
People who promote the idea of rituals are called CHRISTIANS.
People who take oaths and have special rituals are called CHRISTIANS.

So in your twisted mind, Atheist == Cultist?? Are you okay miss?

Arent you doing the same as she did by generalizing the faith?

You were served your pills, take it. You saw something bad in her comment because she generalizes things, but cant see what is bad in yours.

So convenient.

If she speaks in ignorance about atheism, on what basis are you speaking on the faith?

kingxsamz:


If you can answer the question and let us know how generalizations are a bad thing as you have turned this case to a "giving you your own medicine" scenario, then we'll know you're actually smart and not just ranting with your numerous epistles without a point.

Like i said, they are not only good, they are perfect. Trophy almost complete loading.....

kingxsamz:


Lol, meaningless epistle. Kindly tell us how generalizations are a bad thing when used right, then we can know if you're smart or not. No one's going to read that long crap you wrote.

They are very perfect thing. Hope you are okay now? You have won. Your trophy is still loading.......