kingxsamz:


You're not bright sha.
If you were, you'd know that generalization isn't a bad thing as long as it's true.
It's like saying "Most terrorists are Muslims". That is true and a fact. Same thing with "Christians dread the anti-christ", "Christians are panicking because they dread the anti-christ", it's all the same thing. And they're factual. Now tell us how 98% of atheists are involved in one fraternity or the other because of one person? I'm waiting.

Secondly, your post on Christianity is full of so many ignorance. I know its not your fault, you are only replaying the cards you were fed with in your sojourn in "church gathering".

But, see, there are people here who when they read your writings about the faith, all that is seen is stack ignorance. No scholastic explanation, poor presentation and bad understanding of the discuss. Yes posing as a professor.


People like you need to just deactivate your access to write or comment on things but be given all rights to be able to read just one line of every post every 10 mins so that they can process it well before reading another line.

I feel Seun should consider such people using you as a case study and implement such options to help you read and understand.

kingxsamz:


You're not bright sha.
If you were, you'd know that generalization isn't a bad thing as long as it's true.
It's like saying "Most terrorists are Muslims". That is true and a fact. Same thing with "Christians dread the anti-christ", "Christians are panicking because they dread the anti-christ", it's all the same thing. And they're factual. Now tell us how 98% of atheists are involved in one fraternity or the other because of one person? I'm waiting.

Mr Professor, Lord of wisdom. Epele Sir.

I am not surprised you are justifying yourself but swift to condemn others. The same shackles you claimed the one in faith use as a stronghold on others, you yourself are yet to be deliver from it. A change of belief or unbelief wont solve such mindset, it is not subject to change of system, it is a reflection of your personality and all you have been fed with.

You are still digging the same pit as the one who uses religion to condemn others, the different is that you only change direction of your tool. Or likely digging backwards.

kingxsamz:


Yes, a perspective that is unintelligent.
And yet you jumped in. It takes a dull person to think generalizations are a bad thing, so I'm not Suprised.

You are swift to use words. It is a hidden sign of an angry mind. Calm your nerves. Take corrections, stop seeing arguments as a tournament.

You even said "generalization is good", but feel the lady's view is bad. Are you reading yourself at all? Hope no issue with your reading habit?

No matter how you try to hide it, that latent hatred is written all over you and your words. Better listen so as to receive help.

kingxsamz:


Lol, Why Are The Christians Panicking
Do you want to lie to yourself that Most Christians don't dread the anti-christ?
I mean, we saw that here, daily. Your pastors are always thrashing the vaccine, claiming it's the plan of the anti-christ. You people are always afraid when a new technology comes out because you fear that a chip will be implanted in you. Like, that's literally a fact. Christians dread the anti-christ. Like I said, when you noticed a generalization I made that isn't true, why didn't you point it out? You're pointing this one out now because you don't know what else to point out. Sadly, what you pointed out is actually true. Now tell me how that's equivalent to some clown who says 98% of atheists are into cults because of her 'one atheist friend'. Let's see if you're smart.

You see that you are the one that should leave story and face reality. I am not here to argue your imagination with you. But the point here is, the other lady just served you your pills but you are questioning her.

Like I told you, I will be surprised to meet an atheist who hasn't formed his knowledge and decisions about Christians on assumption of generalization. It's one of the key principle of atheism to generalize.

Even in a single response above, you have made over 10 generalized statements. Isn't that an A score in atheism.


So, I am not blaming you, I am only letting you know that you shouldn't be fighting the process that birth you.


On what the lady said. She is also using her own perspective to judge all. Even if it's not fair but it's a balance.

kingxsamz:


If you don't have any reasonable point to make then there's no need to quote me.
If you feel I made any generalization that isn't true, what stopped you from pointing it out?
If you couldn't point it out back then, it's just baseless rant now. Thanks, now let me face the person I asked a question.

Point it out? I don't need to point out what stands as the foundation of all you write about other people beliefs. You should do that service yourself to go back and reread your posts.

An atheist that doesn't generalize is an outcast atheist. He hasn't learn the act well. But you, you are master in generalization. Take the pill the other person is serving you.

You put up a whole post below
https://www.nairaland.com/5782376/lol-why-christians-panicking

Why CHRISTIANS PANICKING. and can still have the boldness to ask me to point out how you generalize? It's your bedrock Bro. That's the mirror of atheism. Were you not taught that? Don't fall my hands.

JideJordan:
Good morning. I just wanted to thank everyone for their contribution on the other thread. I also wanted to let everyone know that I am not here to fight or argue with anyone. I just wanted to share my mind and that's all. It's fine if you are a believer, I have no problems with that. Some people like jesusjnr2020 seem to think that I am a troll or something who wanted to pick fight with Christians. Like I said, I don't know if God exists. However, at this moment, I cannot deceive myself by calling myself a Christian. Thank you.

I just read from your other post, some private challenges. It's not a big deal, don't let your mind make it a big one. It's what you can handle and overcome. Even if you are in an environment where they make it looks like you are now a devil, know this, God's verdict is final. And his verdict for you is of good.


You don't have to get wearied about how long. And you don't have to live in condemnation of it. Your heart showed your intention and that's key. If you can hold for that long, that means you have more energy to push through. Hence giving up shouldn't be an option.

You know why?

Giving up won't still solve the problem, it will only let you feel you aren't accountable to anyone so you can do what you like. But we all know life isn't as such. Personal struggles are what make us strong, resolute and trusting.

Stay strong.

JideJordan:
Good morning. I just wanted to thank everyone for their contribution on the other thread. I also wanted to let everyone know that I am not here to fight or argue with anyone. I just wanted to share my mind and that's all. It's fine if you are a believer, I have no problems with that. Some people like jesusjnr2020 seem to think that I am a troll or something who wanted to pick fight with Christians. Like I said, I don't know if God exists. However, at this moment, I cannot deceive myself by calling myself a Christian. Thank you.

Hey Bro. Having doubt isn't a peculiar to you. It's common. I have seen many even in worse cases. And yet got out of it better.

It's a phase that will get cleared with more exposure to God's word as taught in the scriptures.

You have your reasons why you don't feel like a Christian again. But sometimes our feelings can be distracting because of what happens around us.

Can you share what prompt such feels? I am sure there is a reason which you havent shared.

I will be glad to have simple discussion

kingxsamz:


If you're smart in anyway, at least a little bit, you'll know not to make hasty, silly, unintelligent generalizations like that.
A good percentage of atheists are into cults because of your unknown atheist friend?

But you are master in such generalization. Do you see yours as intelligent generalization?

Don't you generalize faith and believe? Why don't you want her too to generalize. You have spoken as authority who knows what all Christian do anywhere in the world. Yet you feel she shouldn't generalise. A very bad position of an atheist. Avoiding their most potent card when thrown at them.

Crystyano:



I have sent two emails to you

Seen, working on it. Will reach you soon.
Good morning.

wirinet:

Obviously. Your environment and exposure determines our beliefs and direction in life.

This is one of the fallacy of good judgements.
An atheist for example, always think HE CAN make decision outside his environment by reading beyond his environment and know more beyond his birth, family believe and upbringing.

YET he always feels those who have a believe system are only making judgements based on their confide environment, place of birth and upbringing. And not about an independent view and personal decision.

Sadly, it's just an error of trying to feel good and be relevant by an atheist.

Note,
Even though our immediate environment determines a lot about all of us, a universal belief system must be driven by universal knowledge, not a localized exposition. A universal system of teaching that changes based on location, age, time can't be seen as universal.

Hence the single interpretation of universality is to be same everywhere.

It is at this point you will know which is the true interpretation and application of the scriptures, when read properly, it's not subjective to man's varying condition, development, inventions, technology, country, time and wealth. But provide same solution and essence to all men of all times and status.

Whether it is Elon Musk, Osama, Obama, Albert Einstein, a president, a village man, a kid or an old man, male or female, rich or poor, powerful or weak. Same text, same inspiration, same essence, same fundamental issue of humanity, same solution, not subject to status or opinion or varying imaginations or technology advancement.

wirinet:
Then what else can you judge the world with if not with your eyes, ears, senses and exposure? Dreams, inspirations and revelations?
Mind you Dreams, inspirations and revelations are shaped by our experiences and exposures.

Well, you missed my point here. You will need to reread that carefully. It is no related to the senses but your exposure. As I pointed out early, a universal belief system must provide a universal teaching, a universal method and a universal interpretation.

wirinet:
Please teach us your own knowledge of Christianity so I can stand corrected.

My own?
I never referred to anything as "my own".

A universal doctrine cant be called "your own". The interpretation is own by the author, the inspiration. Our duty is to find out what they wrote not what we want it to say. You won't pick a book on gravity in England and read or interpret it differently from a man reading it in Brazil. You will follow the authors explanation, interpretation and idea not trying to find your own idea from it. This is same for all literature writings.

Hence, A text of divine writings, or a knowledge called divine, will loose its divinity when subject to different or individual interpretation.


That means, if it's divine, our duty is to search for what is inspired not what is to be inspired or what our imagination feels.


If I may ask, Are you a Christian?

frank317:


In conclusion? so much ranting here. Finally, u still have no proof of God... u guys will talk and talk and talk, going round and round with nothing to show for it.

Pèlé, I understand your trouble. Ever learning but can't come to knowledge. It's a pity position to be. You will survive it. Just take some time. Once again. Pèlé.

jubrilELsudan:



AKWUZU SARS FALL INSIDE YOUR ANUS.

You will survive it. I wish the little girl is online here the help teach you well.

jubrilELsudan:



YOU ARE VERY STUPID...AM AN INSTRUMENTALIST AND HAVE PLAYED IN MANY BIG CHURCHES SO I HAVE A FIRST HAND KNOWLEDGE OF WHAT AM TALKING ABOUT.

Pèlé.

So, you were just waka.com to big churches. Eeyaaa.

Sorry for having such experience. Why do you always find yourself in such gathering? Are you sure there is no issues? Like attract likes. I will prefer you being a disciple than an instrumentalist. What are you instrumenting self. You need to sit down and be taught well to help your mindset which has been smeared.

Drop your instrument and pick the Bible.

atheistandproud:


Still doesn't explain the inconsistencies between the difference gospels.

In Mk 16:1 there are three women at the tomb, in Mt 28:1 two, and in Lk 23:55-24:10 more than three. In Mark and Luke they come with spices to anoint Jesus, but in the Fourth Gospel this has already been done.

If YHWH is not the author of confusion, then how can his work be littered so many inconsistencies? There are over 144 of them in the entire book compiled at Nicea.

Well, I love being organized in my discussion. Your case earlier was that Nicea council was the source of Christianity today. I have cleared that for you that you are wrong. The council never changed the text of the scriptures, that's the foundation of Christianity. Let's be in the same page with that.

Then we can start taking about how you need to read the scriptures properly considering the text you wrote above.

If we have to be jumping from one position to another we won't have proper discussion.

So, take this first.
Nicea never changed the authors intent nor the inspiration. Nicea never wrote the scriptures hence, it is wrong to use it to judge the Christian walk.

So what happened to the text you wrote? Have you read these/the scriptures properly?

wirinet:


100% ke? I would say 1000%. The Christian God that was born as a man without the Y chromosome ( i still wonder how he got the features of a male with only X chromosome), lived like a man, was tempted by the devil, was beaten by a mob and eventually killed by Roman authorities. He now woke up again after 3 days ( actually a little over 30 hours) and continued living like nothing happened. Eventually he was taken physically to heaven (or is it space) and we are to await his retrun from space.

Meanwhile we are to give tithes and offerings along with our brains and minds to his priests ( or is it pastors) so that they can enjoy heaven here on earth, while we await to enjoy our own rewards in heaven after we die.

They has not been greater scam that that in the history of humanity.

Your environment and teaching you are exposed to is obviously having a weight on you. Sorry for that.

But don't judge the world with the eye of your estate and exposure.

Your knowledge of what Christianity is need a total overhaul.

JideJordan:
Hello guys, so I've been lurking around this section for a few weeks now. I've got a lot of questions on my mind and I am not getting satisfactory answers.
Does God exist? I don't know. At this point, I can't keep deceiving myself. I don't think I can call myself a Christian any more because I am starting to doubt a lot of things. If you are a Christian/believer, I have nothing against you, neither I'm I here to "deconvert" you or something.

Anyways, I just wanted to post this here, because I don't have anyone to talk to at the moment. Have a nice evening.

Bro, you not identifying with Christians again haven't still solve or answer your question (Does God Exist). Even the best of atheism today still seek answers and proof to that question daily.

The questions on your heart are normal. It only showed you likely don't have those who are willing to listen to you around you, or who can answer what bothers you.


For me, looking at all your comments here, I can assumed you have likely had much of wrong teaching of God around you. And that raised lot of questions that such teachers couldn't answer.

Well, if you seek answers truly. Then you should read this intelligently.

1. Your decision above doesn't solve the problem at hand nor does it answer the question you seek. Hence it is only be a distraction for you, as your heart knows you haven't gotten answers.

2. There are usually hidden concerns that underline the great question you asked. Most who call themselves atheist here have narrated unknowingly in their multitude of words such hidden concerns that drove them to atheism and mostly are from personal challenges or concerns that surround how the place you fellowship have presented God's word and promises to you or your normal desires that were never fulfilled even after you have done all that you were told was required.

3. In life, when confused, you should rather err on the side of one you know, one you have seen, and count faithful to you (your real world, your family, your people) than one who you haven't seen, nor know, nor add any value to you in life (the online world).

You can't measure the life of any here by just reading their text including me. Here you will see, liars, deceiver, good and bad etc. Yet all come in the name of helping or intelligent. But there is always a means to that end.

Err on the side of caution and patiently determine your next step.


4. And most importantly, no one can or will decide for you as am sure you can make decision by yourself. But ask yourself, what truly is driving your decisions.

Are they based on failed expectations from God?

Are they based on pressure from life and seems God wasn't there for you?

Are they based on assumptions from poor doctrine about God?

Or are they based on true desire to know the truth about God existence or non existence.


Whatever the reasons. I can confidently tell you, that the foundation is from a wrong knowledge of who God is or what he can do.

Give yourself time Bro. And ask your questions, you will find answers from the right persons.

EjaikreTheViper:


SHUT UP!!!

YOU HUNGRY KID

That small girl is far better than you in communication. She knows that life is more than having phone and data to abuse and say anything that comes to head. You are still struggling to know that.

To be sincere with you, she will be your trainer in a school of wisdom and intelligence. Better go find her to seek knowledge.

atheistandproud:


You don't have to take my word for it, but Christianity would not be what it is today without the Nicene council.

Every Christian should know the Nicene Creed. Now how did the nicene Creed come about, after Christianity became a state religion in the Roman empire and gained legitimacy, there were different versions of Christianity. Each of them claiming to be the best one there is and all the leaders of these different churches and different types of Christianity were always fighting amongst themselves.

Until the emperor got tired of their bickering and convened a meeting of all of the Bishops. He then asked them to bring forth all of their different versions of Christianity so that they put it...basically it was down to a vote.

The Christianity in practice today was basically down to a vote of which practices to keep and which practices to throw away, which books to keep and which ones to throw away.

Christianity was codified by Emperor Constantine at Nicea. Not God. Do you know how many books of the bible were thrown away by the council. Today, they're called The Apocrypha. The most powerful bishops of the day went on to win that round.

You raised just two key points.

1. They selected the books to add to the bible
2. They voted for what they needed to practice.

There is no practical way that this affect the gospel of Christ.

1. Is there any of the version of the bishops that claimed Jesus didn't die for man's sin?

2. Or that forgiveness wasn't available through him?

3. Also the books you referred to, does the addition or remover limit God's word or its message?

Read this well.
Each books of the Bible are standalone explanation in themselves. They were written separately and read by the audience of their time separately yet they understood it without the other books.

They knew what God was communicating without having to read or live in the age of the others who are yet to write.

That should let you know that each book of the scriptures is a complete knowledge of God's plan on its own when read well.

The apostles never had the Epistles to read, yet they preached Jesus and wrote Epistles.

Phillip singly preached Jesus use Isa 53 text alone without 4 gospel and epistles. That should tell you something. That each book is sufficient in itself to explain God's plan when read well.

Hence the books are to corroborate the others not bring in new knowledge or ideas.


At least no one claimed the scriptures were rewritten during the Nicea council, hence the authors intention is still maintained. That is what is key.

Hence, Nicea or no Nicea, the inspiration behind the writings, the text of the authors were not impacted hence, every one has access to read and understand what was taught and not based on any council decisions.

jubrilELsudan:



YOU ARE VERY STUPID.

GO JOIN A DEPARTMENT IN CHURCH THEN YOU WILL SEE THAT THE PASTOR IS FVCKING AND ANNOITING THE KUKUNASE OF ALL THE SMALL GIRLS IN HIS CHURCH.

I guess you grew up in such an environment and that has formed your view in life. Very sorry for your situation. But using that spectacle to judge all isn't smart at all.

What you should do is to seek to help your mind understand that there are good places and good people in this world. Do this and you will live.

atheistandproud:
She get luck say I no follow her Sidon that Keke.

She for explain Nicea council for me.

What about the council Sir. And how does it relate to the OP

jubrilELsudan:
AM SURE NOW SHE IS FVCKING ONE OF HER PASTORS.

I am sure this is the kind of utterances and attitude you would have exposed her to if under you. Yet run around speaking about others. Bro go stand in front of a mirror.

grimandevil:
.I think we Africans should sit up and put religion aside because at the moment it have caused more harm than good.
Let's just do what we believe is right and the government especially needs to put the people first before religion

What harm has religion caused that we don't find in men in all places.

EjaikreTheViper:
Forget. All those things na normal jejeti. That same girl could be banging different guys. Religion is a scam. It's the opium of the people. It's a tool created by man to subject his fellow man to a life of puppetry

The said girl seems smarter in conversion compare to what you wrote. At least considering what the OP said. Her level of intelligence at her age will be adequate for your learning at this age.

MufasaLion:


Avoid me, please.

Avoid you? On public forum where you made a baseless comment? Okay what you mean is that you can just say things as it comes to your mind without properly reasoning its consequence?

I am opening you up to discussion based on your assumptions. Why the avoidance? I expect someone who can make such comment to be ready to explain.

MufasaLion:


Face your front and continue your worsheep. Avoid me!

I asked you a question based on what you wrote. You shouldn't be ashamed to answer that. Or you are one of those that make assumptions from no basis?

I asked you. What about you, Brian what? If religious people are brain washed?

MufasaLion:


Most religious people are brainwashed.

What about you? Brain what?

MufasaLion:
Religion is the opium of the poor and ignorant folks.

What kind of assumption is this. And few are liking such baseless assumptions.

KingEbukaNaija:
Glossolalia, a phenomenon sometimes referred to as “ecstatic utterances,” is the uttering of unintelligible, language-like sounds while in a state of ecstasy. Glossolalia is sometimes confused with xenoglossia, which is the biblical “gift of tongues.” However, whereas glossolalia is babbling in a nonexistent language, xenoglossia is the ability to speak fluently a language the speaker has never learned.

Additionally, whereas xenoglossia is not an innate or natural ability, studies have shown that glossolalia is a learned behavior. Research conducted by the Lutheran Medical Center demonstrates that glossolalia is readily learned by following simple instructions. Correspondingly, it was found that students could exhibit “speaking in tongues” in the absence of any indications of trance-like stupor or behaviors. Another test conducted with sixty students showed that after listening to a one-minute sample of glossolalia, 20 percent were able to imitate it precisely. After some training, 70 percent succeeded.

In just about every part of the world, glossolalia can be observed. Pagan religions all over the world are obsessed with tongues. These include the Shamans in the Sudan, the Shango cult of the West Coast of Africa, the Zor cult of Ethiopia, the Voodoo cult in Haiti, and the Aborigines of South America and Australia. Murmuring or speaking gibberish that is construed to be deep mystical insight by holy men is an ancient practice.

There are basically two aspects to glossolalia. First is talking or murmuring in language-like sounds. Practically everyone is able to do this; even children before they ever learn to speak can mimic real language, though unintelligibly. There is nothing extraordinary about this. The other aspect of glossolalia is ecstasy or the demonstration of trance-like elation. There is nothing unusual about this either, although it is more difficult to do intentionally than to merely utter language-like sounds.

There are some Christians, especially within the Pentecostal movement, who believe there is a supernatural explanation for glossolalia similar to that described in the New Testament. They believe that the chief purpose of the gift of speaking in tongues is to manifest the Holy Spirit being poured out upon them just as on the day of Pentecost (Acts 2), which was prophesied by Joel (Acts 2:17).

Among those Christian churches who do espouse the practice of glossolalia to one degree or another, there is no uniform agreement as to its workings. For example, some are adamant that it is indeed a gift of the Holy Spirit, while others minimize its importance, saying Paul taught that the gift of “speaking in tongues” wasn’t nearly as important as the other gifts of the Holy Spirit (see 1 Corinthians 13). Also, there are those wishing to avoid dividing the church on such issues by not speaking of it at all or dismissing it as a simple psychological experience. Then there are those who regard glossolalia as a deception of Satan himself.

Exotic languages are heard and understood throughout the world, but existing languages are not heard or understood when spoken as “ecstatic utterances” or “tongues.” What we do hear is a profusion of hype, claims, confusion, and noise. We simply cannot declare, as at the time of the first church, that “each of us hears [understands] them in his own native language” (Acts 2:8 NIV).

Simply put, the practice of glossolalia is not the biblical gift of tongues. Paul made it clear that the chief purpose of the gift of speaking in tongues was to be a sign for those who did not believe and to spread the good news, the gospel of Christ (1 Corinthians 14:19, 22).

https://gotquestions.org/glossolalia.html

. Not sure the author of this read Paul well.

He will need to reread him well to put up a better argument.

kingxsamz:


Lol, you seem more troubled that I replied you sef. Cus you won't be typing this epistle I didn't bother reading.
I'm thinking of converting sef and opening a church so I can milk you gullible folks.

You must be part of those I first mentioned in my response to LordReed. No single ideology or knowledge of even what you speak of.

Emotions, assumptions and abusing others are the hallmark. I have told him from the start that only few intelligent atheist remain. Very few.

The very lots around now possessed the very attribute you display here. No direction or purpose of discussion, just a jumpy jumpy into things without knowledge.

You better save yourself from your confusion. You can't continue communicating ignorantly. No serious person will take you serious.

kingxsamz:

Lol, you wish.
It's funny when you Christians say stuff like this. Thinking one would go back to his vomit. Lol. You people say stuff like "God will arrest you someday", "Na your type dey later become pastor", "Saul did worse".
Whatever makes you feel better sha.

You havent said anything above than emotions. And this is the trait of unlearned atheist.

Why are you troubled for his sake? Is like he is your last hope on atheisms. You dont have to be troubled. He isnt troubled, why then are you?

You may need to point out what exactly is bothering you than walking on the waters of assumptions.

And lastly, i can help you control your emotions if need be. You need this for your heart and your focus, Bro

kingxsamz:


Even you might denounce Christianity one day, who knows?

Well, I am not speaking about random, unpredictable actions. You will need to read my follow up messages. I speak on observations of my post recipient and am sure he knows what I am speaking of.

If you have your observation on me as per denouncing, you can lay it out too. But no assumptions like the one you stated above.

LordReed:


Bwahahahahaha! You guys never cease to amaze. Abeg I no get power to discuss any further. Enjoy your evening. LMFAO!

But remember that I am one of the few who confidently told you about this future that will come to pass.