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Religion / Re: What Does God Actually Do? by hupernikao: 4:43pm On Oct 17, 2021

Tamaratonye1:

It is true that "god helps those who help themselves" is not in the Bible. I knew that much already. The aphorism is actually of ancient Greek origin, and may originally have been proverbial. It is illustrated by two of Aesop's Fables and a similar sentiment is found in ancient Greek drama.

All these you wrote hasn't address the point that.

1. You tried to put on God what he never said in his word.

2. That man's help is not in riches that you have nor is it in man's achievement.

You said much but leaving much out of context.

That your text in your OP had been considered historically, scripturally, doctrinally and logically to be false on God. You only want to make an accusation but you got it wrong. Your decision on the scriptures shouldn't be based on what is generally said or accepted around but what the scriptures taught.

That is the correction you should receive.

Religion / Re: What Does God Actually Do? by hupernikao: 11:01pm On Oct 16, 2021

Tamaratonye1:

Only an idiot, or a profoundly dishonest mind, would regard that premise as true. Mr. Hupernikao you are either one or the other. Further, that sentiment is one of the most vile, corrosive sentiments ever concocted by religious zealots, that can only have emerged from minds that regard themselves with a deep and deadly disdain.

You speak on what you don't have knowledge of, in such class, you are to sit and listen and learn. Trying to prove points in such room, will seriously expose your ignorance.

You are speaking about the scripture, I gave you an absolute summary of what the scriptures taught, yet because you want to drive a false point, you are working on making a point without having point.

I put it to you again. That you have been exposed to false teaching of the scriptures. All your premise of argument against the scriptures were never in the first place addressing what the scriptures taught. You are only been derailed by false information you are fed with and that's seems to be what you built your whole knowledge foundation on.

You will need to start getting a proper explanation of what the scripture taught, so that your argument will truly attack the rudiments of the faith. Currently your argument put you in the same space as those who exposed you or preached to you the false doctrine that form your experiences against the scriptures in life. It's more like throwing stones to hit the moon.

Tamaratonye1:
That seems odd to me because I've done perfectly fine and prospered without the help of God ever since I came out as an atheist in 2006

Secondly, a patient reader and listener will end up becoming an intelligent teacher.

Go and read what I wrote again. Or let me help you again. See it below.

He (man) needs help, beyond his riches, technology, advancement and exploit. He will never find satisfaction in it.

So your statement never negate what I wrote, infact it actually affirmed it. That man, by himself can achieve much without needing God. All you listed as achievement doesn't need God to have. They are within man's capability and knowledge. And if you are truly taught the scriptures well, you will know that isn't the focus of the scripture. The scriptures is not meant to solve what man can solve. But to solve what man seek to solve but never find answers. That is the help the Bible taught.

So, in all your satisfaction in life, they are in line, no issues.

God's satisfaction is not in riches and human achievement and man's problem is not in riches and achievement. When you know the singular, primary, and most fundamental problem of man, that which makes man incapable, is that which dissolves all his intelligence and skills in its brooding waves. Then you will know man's help is not within him but in the graciousness of one who has helped man with a open hand to receive.

So get this again about the scriptures teaching.

That is, a helpless man, found help in the graciousness of a gracious God. That helplessness is universal. And can't be solved with gold, riches, technology or achievement.

Religion / Re: What Does God Actually Do? by hupernikao: 8:06pm On Oct 16, 2021

Tamaratonye1:
I thought of another cognitive dissonance in Christianity during my walk today. Have you heard that saying, "God helps those who help themselves"? I was always taught this in the manner of "if you pray to pass the test, you have to put the .

Your quote above is man's tradition not God's word. Bible taught, that heaven only helps those who comes to him (it).. That is those who come (believe and receive) his grace not those who want to help themselves.

Man is helpless, he has no ability or capability to help himself, he is dead to life and light. The more he tried to help himself, the more he found out his incapability to help himself.

He needs help, beyond his riches, technology, advancement and exploit. He will never find satisfaction in it. Because this never solve the problem or handles man's problem that always expose his incapability and helplessness to him.

Hence,
Many who holds such view as the quote above are partying on the platform of ignorant that comes from wrong doctrines. It was never taught in the scriptures.

What this means is that your statement is not only not found in the scripture, it was never a scriptural text. Both in explanation, interpretation and teaching of the word, it failed the test.

Bible teaching is summarized as below.
HEAVEN HELPS THOSE WHO COME TO HIM (IT).

[i]That is, a helpless man, found help in the graciousness of a gracious God.

Religion / Re: The Atheistic Side Of Christians by hupernikao: 9:02pm On Oct 13, 2021

Tamaratonye1:

I have no need to check anything. There is absolutely no "gap". You wish there were, but since you can not even be bothered to state what that "gap" is, you are dismissed as yet another ignorant fundamentalist who actually knows nothing about the actual culture and history of the time.

State what you are actually talking about, or keep shut.

Does your trouble include not knowing how to communicate properly? It's like the gap is wider than I thought. You better learn how to relate with words if you are communicating.

Secondly, you have much gap in history, I have told you. Go and check your knowledge about historical records on the Chrestus written about. Read the events that surrounded the writings, study the intent of the writer when he wrote it, then you will see how far you are from the truth of what he wrote. Saying he wrote about one random Chrestus, is a sign of not properly informed. Go and read again, that's the right thing to do, not arguing.

Religion / Re: The Atheistic Side Of Christians by hupernikao: 8:28pm On Oct 12, 2021

Tamaratonye1:

The Romans wrote about a "chrestos". They said nothing about a "christ". Christ is a title, and there were a number of messiah (christos) claimants at the time. There is no reason to think that because you only know about one, there was only one, and that's what the Romans were talking about.

The only reason the Romans would have even heard about one of the nobody criminals who was executed under a standing order in a province, for causing a ruckus in the temple, the economic lifeblood of the city of Jerusalem, which was absolutely 110 % economically dependent on the festival tourism and sacrifices brought to the temple, and the gospels say he threatened that economy.

They didn't get a trial, and it's obvious the gospels made them up, as they are vastly different, the only reason a Roman would have even been aware of this person, (if they were), was that communities of believers had grown up surrounding the mythos concerning him. They did not sit around discussing the people who were summarily executed by Roman governors. What the Romans knew, (if they knew anything) was totally based on communities of believers. Does the fact that the Romans knew about Mithras, and communities devoted to him, mean he was a real person?

Like I said. Go and check your history well. It seems to have a gap. Read your history well. Someone can mistaken you for lying with tye above. But for me, am sure it's a gap in knowledge you need to close.

Religion / Re: The Atheistic Side Of Christians by hupernikao: 8:25pm On Oct 12, 2021

Tamaratonye1:

The Romans wrote about a "chrestos". They said nothing about a "christ". Christ is a title, and there were a number of messiah (christos) claimants at the time. There is no reason to think that because you only know about one, there was only one, and that's what the Romans were talking about.

The only reason the Romans would have even heard about one of the nobody criminals who was executed under a standing order in a province, for causing a ruckus in the temple, the economic lifeblood of the city of Jerusalem, which was absolutely 110 % economically dependent on the festival tourism and sacrifices brought to the temple, and the gospels say he threatened that economy.

They didn't get a trial, and it's obvious the gospels made them up, as they are vastly different, the only reason a Roman would have even been aware of this person, (if they were), was that communities of believers had grown up surrounding the mythos concerning him. They did not sit around discussing the people who were summarily executed by Roman governors. What the Romans knew, (if they knew anything) was totally based on communities of believers. Does the fact that the Romans knew about Mithras, and communities devoted to him, mean he was a real person?

Religion / Re: The Atheistic Side Of Christians by hupernikao: 8:23pm On Oct 12, 2021

Tamaratonye1:

They did write about ~~Christ~~ a "chrestos. Sadly for the jesus freaks, they were writing about him in the mid first century BCE.

They built the tomb you see in the attached picture below, and inside it they wrote an inscription, which translated to English says: Rome, Mausoleum of Caecilia Metella, Tombstone of the lictor Chrestus

You need to read and check your history well. It's obvious. Lordreed understand who am referring to, but you need to go back and check well as your narrative is off it.

Religion / Re: The Atheistic Side Of Christians by hupernikao: 8:02pm On Oct 08, 2021

LordReed:

If I write that you like eating pounded yam, am I writing about pounded yam or your love for pounded yam?

If your narrative is based on false premise, like not sure I like pounded yam but you speaking about my love for it, then your writing shouldn't be taken seriously and all of your other writing can be taken as just gossip or jokes.

So I must treat your all write up the same way, else it becomes a double standard. Since they never knew Christ but mentioned him, then all of their historical records must be interpreted as such. A mention of what never existed but spoken about. cheesy

Religion / Re: Religion: The Oldest Scam Of All by hupernikao: 7:53pm On Oct 08, 2021

truthCoder:

I expect ‘defenses’ like this to come up. The bird is not yet out of the bag and you are already claiming it is a red flamingo.

Oxford dictionary defines supernatural as “events attributed to some force beyond understanding or the laws of nature “

If something is beyond understanding, how then can you explain what you dont understand?

The attempts of religion to explain “supernatural events “ will be be reviewed in further discussions. Just stay tuned.

The title of this discourse is religion as the oldest scam. How do you expect me to start without going to the beginning?

Oxford also defines a scam as “a dishonest scheme”. This discourse would focus on showing the reader how proponents of religion used the different branches to rob humans if their lives, assets and families from the beginning of time till date.

Stay tuned

Secondly, I told you to go and check what scam is, Check it well and inspect your usage. The reason being that your choice of words in your argument, will be taken seriously and use to examine what you know.

Scam is an act of dishonest. It means a deliberate attempt in dishonest.

Religion you portray above in all your write up can't fall into that category, as the religion you are discussing is based on man's perception, the knowing and the unknowing of his environment. That can't be called a scam.
Man didn't start up believing in supernatural or a god to scam or to use it as tool of dishonesty. It's an inherent construct in man. I have explained this earlier.

A scam is towards another. Your discussion is handling how religion begins in man not how man has used it for other means.

You will need to stay on point or correct your title to be exact on your thoughts.

Religion / Re: Religion: The Oldest Scam Of All by hupernikao: 7:48pm On Oct 08, 2021

truthCoder:

I expect ‘defenses’ like this to come up. The bird is not yet out of the bag and you are already claiming it is a red flamingo.

Oxford dictionary defines supernatural as “events attributed to some force beyond understanding or the laws of nature “

If something is beyond understanding, how then can you explain what you dont understand?

The attempts of religion to explain “supernatural events “ will be be reviewed in further discussions. Just stay tuned.

The title of this discourse is religion as the oldest scam. How do you expect me to start without going to the beginning?

Oxford also defines a scam as “a dishonest scheme”. This discourse would focus on showing the reader how proponents of religion used the different branches to rob humans if their lives, assets and families from the beginning of time till date.

Stay tuned

Obviously, you side step a case I gave you that fault your definition of supernatural. Is man's life supernatural? Animal's life? Can you explain where and how man's life begins?

Now from your points. Since we can't explain where life begins based on your own belief, then the life we live and all animals are supernatural life. Do you agree with that. That is your premise of argument. So let's agree on this first to be on the same page. That what can't be explain is term supernatural.

This is the first.

Religion / Re: The Atheistic Side Of Christians by hupernikao: 7:19pm On Oct 08, 2021

LordReed:

Well Christians were considered enemies of the state so I don't see how that makes it gossip.

Okay. This one you wrote is not just about them writing what they felt or said but reality. But the one they wrote about Christian's Christ is just about writing what they said, not reality. Right?

Religion / Re: The Atheistic Side Of Christians by hupernikao: 5:55pm On Oct 08, 2021

LordReed:

They wrote about Christians and what they believe, not about Christ.

Nah soo. I expect this. They must be gossipers then not historians. Since they are good in documenting gist about Christians. grin

It just takes turning to the light to see clearly. That's all it takes.

Religion / Re: The Atheistic Side Of Christians by hupernikao: 5:48pm On Oct 08, 2021

kingxsamz:

What's detailed about a white man and a white woman who came from the man's ribs and was deceived by a talking magical snake to eat a magical fruit which got an invisible white guy upset that he had to punish them, only for them to end up giving birth to children who populated the entire earth including blacks, Asians and other races?
Valid history indeed...
The Bible is just a book of stories exaggerated to a certain point. Nothing historical about it, especially the supernatural aspect of it.

The stories you take it for, is why your argument is like this too. Illogical.

Religion / Re: The Atheistic Side Of Christians by hupernikao: 5:43pm On Oct 08, 2021

LordReed:

No it isn't. Take the census that supposedly happened when Jesus was born, the gospel links the birth of Jesus to the reign of Herod the Great, but the census took place in 6 CE, nine years after Herod's death in 4 BCE. Moreover, such census was limited to Judea and did not affect Galilee, which was governed by the ethnarch Herod Antipas and not directly under Roman control.

There were indeed three censuses of the entire empire during Augustus's reign (28 BC, 8 BC and 14 AD), but none of these censuses happened while Quirinius was the Legate of Syria, no Roman census required people to travel from their own homes to those of distant ancestors and, in any case, an imperial census would not have affected Joseph and Mary, who lived in the Herodian Kingdom of Judea, which was not under direct Roman control back then.

We know all this because the Romans were prolific and meticulous record keepers so there is no way the census was accurately recorded in the Bible.

But same Romans historian wrote about Christ, but wasn't seen as meticulous in that. Is their meticulous selective?

Religion / Re: The Atheistic Side Of Christians by hupernikao: 5:40pm On Oct 08, 2021

LordReed:

LMFAO! Really? Did you know there was no census of the type said to be abbout the time of Jesus birth? Did you know that the Israelite kingdoms at the height of their power were not very famous as told by the Bible and could barely dominate neighbouring tribes not to talk of withstanding the might of Egypt or Persia. The Bible is a cultural record not a history book. It gets a lot of details wrong as confirmed by other sources.

Add the facts that its a theological book too. grin

Religion / Re: Religion: The Oldest Scam Of All by hupernikao: 5:35pm On Oct 08, 2021

truthCoder:
When a logical human cannot understand the logic behind an event or replicate its occurrence, he is usually stuck and his mind continually tries to unravel the mystery.

Humans are social beings. They move in herds and cluster together, instinctively as a protection mode. If an event becomes unexplainable, it disrupts the herd flow and humans become afraid, especially if it is life threatening.

To resolve this debacle, events are always classified into three, no matter the human gathering. They are the natural, man made and super-natural events.

We have the natural events which humans have understood to be part of the life they belong to. These are events that happen just because it is part of nature. A snake will bite if you step on its tail. When you are thirsty, taking water from a stream makes you feel better. Everyone knows this and accepts it.

We also have the man made events. When a human comes across a tract of well cultivated land, he knows it was done by a human because he too could do same. If he sees a basket, he is not troubled as he has seen his herd members do same. He can even understand and explain the process.

Finally we have the supernatural events. This a huge pit where humans dump every other thing that they can not classify as either natural or man made. Anything a human does not understand the process nor can replicate is termed supernatural. It must be noted that since we have different communities of humans each with different levels of logical understanding of events, what is natural or man-made in one community might be completely super-natural in another community. Thus a man from a community that has never seen a basket made nor understands the process might be shocked to see one on his hunting path and term it supernatural.

Your premise of argument is already flawed the moment you affirmed that the supernatural means, Anything a human does not understand the process nor can replicate.

It's an assumption that comes from your background, exposure and environment. Supernatural never meant "can't be explained". There are things supernatural, that can be taught and explained, just like there are things natural that cant be explained.

Man's life here is natural life, yet even the best of our science is yet to understand or explain how life started. Will you then term that supernatural?

Your choice of words in your write up are very subjective to your background and exposure. You cant speak on an issue as global and old as religion with a localized mindset. You will need to consult wide.

And lastly, for you to be talking of religion in its context of age-longed human practice and still refer to it as scam, makes your topic offtrack. You may need to consult a dictionary for the word "scam".

You can argue about modernize or organized religion as you want, but calling religion as related to man's existence "scam" shows you likely haven't study far on this. Religion is as old to humanity as his first intuition to his environment. Your write up never address the purpose of you writing.

Religion / Re: Religion: The Oldest Scam Of All by hupernikao: 5:08pm On Oct 08, 2021

truthCoder:
I will be doing a dossier on religion generally and the basis of how and why it was invented to scam people.

This would be documented here.

Before you judge or attack me, ask yourself this important question. Is your opinion based on logic or influenced mainly by the environment in which you have grown up?

Thanks

TruthCoder

I also hope you will be able to provide sound judgment and discussion when the time comes.

And I hope you have read well in what you want to put your hands into and not "prouding" on videos you watch or internet results you read.

Religion / Re: Is Jesus Christ The Same As Almighty God by hupernikao: 5:05pm On Oct 08, 2021

shidof:
This is what I post I replied in the last message I sent to you

Okay. I will hope you read my text well and also any discussion we have or will have.

Religion / Re: Easy Way To Make An Atheist Become A Believer. by hupernikao: 11:26pm On Oct 05, 2021

MaxInDHouse:
Hmmmmmmmmmmmm i think this is correct because Workch hasn't find anything to say against true FAITH all his pains are EVIDENCE! EVIDENCE!! EVIDENCE!!!
Surely he was duped and now he wants everyone to feel the same way!

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm i owe you one on this hupernikao!

Religion / Re: Easy Way To Make An Atheist Become A Believer. by hupernikao: 11:25pm On Oct 05, 2021

Workch:
illiterate

Atheism is just not believing in god. That’s all

I will criticize Christianity cos Christians want to make claims without evidence.

Solve your bitterness Bro. It's the most important for you. Don't carry such burden all your life. You aren't atheist. True atheist even know themselves, they won't accept you in their midst when the die cast.

Hatred or bitterness doesn't make an atheist. Stop trying to hide your struggles. Take time off things and help your heart.

Religion / Re: Easy Way To Make An Atheist Become A Believer. by hupernikao: 10:04pm On Oct 05, 2021

Workch:
Atheists are the easiest people to convince, just show some evidence and they will all believe. Get some vets that are missing limbs and make a prayer and voila they all have their limbs back. I promise you that every single atheist in the world will be a believer, and you’ll get other religious people to jump shift to your deity as well.

Bro, I have told you. You shouldn't be counting yourself as an atheist. You aren't even close to one. Atheism is not all about having data to criticize God or Christianity.

You are only an offended church goer who is bitter for being got duped in your lust for fake promises where you once fellowship and started blaming God. God didn't dupe you, man did, go find him.

Atheism cover won't take the bitterness away. It will always come back no matter how you snare your heart.

Religion / Re: Is Jesus Christ The Same As Almighty God by hupernikao: 9:51pm On Oct 05, 2021

shidof:
So, If I want to read Bible. I should be reading and digesting 1 verse in a week or month and wait for holy spirit to guide and give me the right understanding of the verse right??

I don't know where you read the above from. It's like you are reading something else not by post. Just wondering. As this doesn't relate at all to my post.

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Religion / Re: Is Jesus Christ The Same As Almighty God by hupernikao: 12:35am On Oct 05, 2021

shidof:
You still didn't give any verified source which ascertain that Jesus Christ is God. You can't use just your brain to write an epistle without any Bible Verses that showed us Jesus is God or any verse where by Jesus Christ pronounced himself as God and expect me to accept your claim just like that.

And to be sincere with you, if you truly want to discuss an issue as sensitive as this from the scriptures, you need to calm down and ready to read what the other post without having a defensive notion. You must be open to see the Bible the way it is and the way its written.

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Religion / Re: Is Jesus Christ The Same As Almighty God by hupernikao: 12:13am On Oct 05, 2021

shidof:
You still didn't give any verified source which ascertain that Jesus Christ is God. You can't use just your brain to write an epistle without any Bible Verses that showed us Jesus is God or any verse where by Jesus Christ pronounced himself as God and expect me to accept your claim just like that.

I hope you don't read the Bible the way you just read what I wrote. You didn't pay attention to what I wrote. You may need to read it again and then rewrite your response.

Religion / Re: Why Don't We See Many Christians Interpreting Tongues Like We See Them Speaking. by hupernikao: 9:23pm On Oct 02, 2021

LordReed:

My platform is what can be demonstrated. You don't what to demonstrate so what are you on about now? If you don't want to demonstrate then our conversation is over there is nothing to discuss again.

Okay.

Religion / Re: Why Don't We See Many Christians Interpreting Tongues Like We See Them Speaking. by hupernikao: 7:47pm On Oct 02, 2021

LordReed:

I didn't reference any scripture nor was my answer based on scripture so I don't know what you mean. The question was: "If nobody can interpret, how are they sure they are speaking to God or passing meaningful messages." and I answered it. I don't care about any scripture, lets show what is factual.

his reference is the scriptures, he was also speaking about those who hold the belief in the scriptures. His assumptions were from the scriptures. Hence that is the platform of discussion, and I am sure you know that.

Religion / Re: Is Jesus Christ The Same As Almighty God by hupernikao: 7:43pm On Oct 02, 2021

shidof:
I have heard a lot of Christians always equate Jesus Christ as God Almighty but I've a question that has always been disturbing my mind.
Who was in charge of the world before Jesus was born, who created Adam, Abraham, eve and all the other creature before Jesus was born?? God is immortal but Jesus died and it was even through the hands of Human beings. So, what are the reasons to justify that Jesus Christ is still the same as the God Almighty who wasn't born by anybody and he didn't give birth to any one either.

You must observe well, all the testimonies of the prophets in the scriptures, their writings and prophecies to understand why Jesus is the God of OT. This will become clear when you read their writings properly. They spoke in clear terms of a God, that will come in human flesh to save. This is the basis of the doctrine.

When you read the whole Bible together, this will make more sense to you.

That
1. The God in Genesis was the one who is only from the beginning (one God).

2. The same God is who came in human flesh as Jesus, a man, called the son of God.

This is the reason, Jesus, the man was referred to as God, because of his preexistence as God.

So, Jesus, a man, existed as the only God in the beginning but came to us in humanity. Hence why he can suffer, die and cry. Those are traits of a man not God. God can't die. Hence he exhibited all traits of man in his humanity.

So, when ever, you mention Jesus always know you will see the attribute of man in display, as that was God in the flesh (man). This is why and how salvation of man was possible.

Religion / Re: The JAB: My Message To The Church And The Body Of Christ. by hupernikao: 7:31pm On Oct 02, 2021

Righteousness2:

We are in the Last of the Last Moments on Earth. If you are not Praying, Watching and Trusting in GOD ALMIGHTY, you may be a Casualty of the Endtimes.

Do not let anyone no matter the Title , Position or Post to Confuse you. There is no Modification to the things of GOD. We Cannot Help GOD.

I will Never advice Anyone Directly or Indirectly to take it. Neither will I take it. The Bible is my Guide. And base what is Written and what is Happening live before our Eyes, I will Never take it.

If you are a Priest, Pastor, Bishop , Prophet or Whatever title, and you are leading your flocks to take this thing or telling people it is okay! You are Committing evil. You think you are doing good, but you are leading the people astray. Remember you give account of the Flocks under your care.

Are we Noticing what is Happening in real time all around the World ?
Are we thinking Logically?
Are we going to the Scriptures to seek the truth?
Putting all preconceived Notion aside, if it walks like a Duck, Looks like a Duck, Sounds like a Duck! Do we keep calling it a Sheep?

To the body of Christ? grin

Internet is really a funny place. Where a man who has no gospel commitment on ground nor have those who he raised to follow Christ through him will assume a position of speaking to the whole body.

Or where you will see a man leave those God has given him and be speaking to the whole world in the name of the body of Christ.

Bro, there are responsibilities and authorities in the body you mentioned, and each member of the body know where their own supply flows from as ordered by the head.

Assuming a position of speaking to the whole body is just a joke taken too far except you have become the supervisor of the body of Christ.

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Religion / Re: My Journey To Repentance by hupernikao: 7:16pm On Oct 02, 2021

Kobojunkie:
God would never tell you to start attending church since He never asked anyone to build Him one and He never asked anyone who belongs to Him to attend such. The Church that belongs to Jesus Christ is built by the hands of Jesus Christ - these churches you see are built of the hands of their business owners and pastors and this for the benefit of their personal kingdoms.

For so long many have told that once you make a decision for God you need to fine a church home or something like that. Guess what? It was not God or Jesus Christ that said that but instead Mogs and their Pastors who came up with that lie to deceive people I go joining their team.

You don't need anyman to Teach you of God. You don't need any man to tell you the Truth of God - The delusions of men are not necessary for you to continue to know God. You simply need to grow in your trust and obedience of God knowing that that God that saved you without the intervention of pastors and Mogs is still to continue to interact directly with you If you will let him do that.

Approach God with your heart, mind, body and soul in love for him and love for your fellow man - this is submission and obedience of Him - and He will reward with the wisdom necessary to move your closer to Him.

@24brains
Note that what he wrote up here is not true. Both from scriptural angle and human knowledge.

Observe very well that he told you that the Bible said no one should teach you but you should just read,

But he is doing exactly what he doesn't want others to do. He doesn't trust in his ~~holy~~ onlyspirit to teach you as he said, He is teaching you what to do as against what he said he believes (that no one should teach others). He has no single scriptural backing for this craftiness.

All he wrote there are teaching, believe systems, doctrine, his doctrine. But he hid behind the scriptures to explain what the scripture didn't teach. He is a teacher of his doctrine and teaches it in every opportunity, but claim others shouldn't teach.

He has a plan. Be smart enough to know this.

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Religion / Re: My Journey To Repentance by hupernikao: 7:04pm On Oct 02, 2021

24brains:
AMEN. i'm willing to bear the consequence of my sins. King David was sent to an exile for similar sin when he slept with another man's wife and killed the husband afterward.

You are holding a wrong belief and if not careful, you will give room for the devil to act.

God don't hold consequences as you held so. Put that in your mind. If not you will have what you say and believe. If he has forgiven you he has. Whatever thing that happens afterwards is not God punishing you. It can be a result of life or effect of what you did. But remove God out of that. That is not how God show justice (looking at the person you quoted).

But if you read bible and see God that forgives and still punish you for your sins, then we all are doomed as no one can bear or stand the consequences of his or her action. No one can stand. This is the reason God's mercy is unconditional. He did it for you. Walk in it, trust him and dont go back to the way of the flesh.

I desire for you, that you are held by the power of God always.

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Religion / Re: Why Don't We See Many Christians Interpreting Tongues Like We See Them Speaking. by hupernikao: 6:52pm On Oct 02, 2021

LordReed:

I didn't reference any scripture so I don't know what you mean. Maybe you should reread my post again.

This is the person you responded to first. Observe he was speaking and referencing the Bible.

pakirisuitesphc::

Dear brothers and sisters,[a] if I should come to you speaking in an unknown language,[b] how would that help you? But if I bring you a revelation or some special knowledge or prophecy or teaching, that will be helpful.
Most pentecostal Christians can open their mouths and speak in tongues but you hardly see those who can interprete among them. Please I want Christians in the house to contribute and no derogatory contribution please.
If nobody can interpret, how are they sure they are speaking to God or passing meaningful messages.

This was your response.

LordReed:
That is because speaking in tongues or glossolalia is not a spiritual gift, it's just something we humans can do, like a baby trying to talk and forming syllables from what it has heard around it. There is nothing to interpret.

You were answering a scriptural text. You perfectly described and gave an intent of how what was written is either not correct or being misinterpreted by the OP.

This is why I responded to let you know that what you wrote is wrong with respect to the scriptures.

Religion / Re: Why Don't We See Many Christians Interpreting Tongues Like We See Them Speaking. by hupernikao: 1:55pm On Oct 02, 2021

LordReed:

How can I debunk your statement when there is nothing to debunk? If you had agreed I also would have recorded myself speaking in tongues so that we can compare how different or similar they are.

Someone tells you "I have a golden toilet" you ask him for a photo of the toilet and he tells you "nope I am trained to not take photos of toilets". You then tell him well too bad I don't believe you and he says why don't you debunk his statement first. Did he give you anything to debunk?

How are you showing off? Is there a prize to be won or is this for bragging rights? You are proving what you said as correct where is the commandment that says you shouldn't do so?

You have forgotten the beginning of discussion. You were the one who referenced the scripture. And I corrected it. I am not here to control what you believe or don't believe. I never put anything up for you to believe. The Bible is there if you need believing. I only pointed you to how you have missed interpreted the scriptures. This is the focus.

If you now want a prove of the discussion, you may need to then still show me from the same scriptures where I am instructed to obey such request as yours. If not, I won't measure my obedience with what you feel.

So, the point here is that Paul in the scriptures taught tongues as not human language, he called it praying in the spirit, blessing in the spirit. This is what you omitted or didn't see in your very first response.

So, this shouldn't be an argument as your basis of correcting the OP you quoted was misinterpretation of scriptures. And that is what I corrected you on, that the scriptures taught it.

The issue of believing it or not is now secondary, and that's individual responsibility.

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