Workch:
The stigma is too much in life in country, that’s why I fight them tooth and nail on nairaland.
They don’t always realize what they do in their fanaticism but when atheist attack them, they start acting like helpless victims

You allowed yourself to be governed by hatred and bitterness. You should know this isn't good for you. You aren't helping yourself even if you are trying to get to people who didn't hurt you.

You know where you were scammed, why not go there. Why do you think everyone is a scammer. Your hatred won't allow you to see clearly. And it can destroy you if you don't take care because you won't see good thing in people or places you were supposed to see.

Help your heart. Atheism is not about hatred, yours is someone who is hurt, disappointed. It happened to many, but you have to heal yourself of the scam.

You observed I have been on your case since, I hardly stay responding to someone who give all sort of utterances you have given towards me. But I just have a feeling that, this one is not an Atheist, he is just hurt and bitter about something. When I see and read an atheist, I know.. Don't try to cover your bitterness behind knowledge. No knowledge can heal such heart.

Accept you have been wrong and be wronged by your con men.

And that they were never speaking for God but for you, for your lust. That is what they fed.

They taught you how to read the Bible wrongly, how to see God wrongly, how to trust him wrongly. It showed in your reasoning and discussing the scriptures. You were not taught anything. This is the reason you need to relearn and remove bitterness.

Like I have told you, there is a way to read the scriptures, there is an intent of the authors, if you haven't arrived that, you haven't known anything about it.

I honestly believe God for you to walk beyond your bitterness and see reality.

Workch:
Yes na, they are the brokest in most cases.
Wealth doesn’t really depend on religious faith, it depends on lucky, chance and hardwork.

Many Christian don’t know this because they think they can get rich from church however they become broker when the church starts milking them.
I became atheist for that reason out of many, the church sucked my dad and when he realized that he was being irrational by enriching the men of God, it was too late for him, they already sucked him dry but today I am not a Christian and I am doing better than my dad ever did.

Now, the source of your predicament is revealed.
In your greediness you met con men that suit your desires and scammed you in the name of God. Pèlé.

You must have been told, you will become the next Dangote, and you believed. Now I know why you think all Christian are as dumb as that. You were once a dumb church goer.


I have known from the way you talked that you must have been one of those whose eyes for services is money. Your greediness and refusal to listen and follow those who will tell you the truth, made you to follow the con men.

When you were there, you must have trusted, you must have given your whole savings to get returns like a gambler. You were taught God is the owner of nairaBet and you believed. You acted in greediness. This is what you should accept.

You saw churches, who only preached the word and never made promises on lies, I am sure by then, you will see them as not woke. Now your wokeness was scammed. You were left in the cold by the con man you served under. You now started blaming God, for your greed and your con man fault. Don't you think, this isn't smart.

You weren't there to know God, you were there for your selfish deal. Money doubler, racketeering. They provided the platform for you to feed your greed and selfish desires.

They fed your greediness and you loved it, you must have expected to become the next Dangote by just giving and praying to God.

Sorry to say, this is an attitude of a thief. Sadly it was late for you to now know it's hard work, chances that make riches. You are now claiming fake atheist.



Just take it, you were scammed just the way a regular greedy person is scammed daily.

When a scammee met a scammer, the scam deal is sealed.

Atheist kó, Scamteist nì.
Go settle your fight with your con men and leave God out of this. Go to where you put your money and showcase your anger to be delivered from your trouble.

NewSoul:
Please I need answers. Why are most Christians poorer than the average human( atheist and Muslims). Did he not say he'll provide all our needs according to his riches in glory . Did he not say the children of the righteous shall never beg for bread but we see children of the righteous begging for biscuits. They beg for children school fees etc from those that they claim got their wealth from Satan e.g yahoo boys, musicians (yes they worship illuminati as most of them believe) , politicians (that siphon public funds). The Bible said Christians are supposed to be lending to many nations but must can't even give out ordinary 2k to one that's in dire need.

Did God not say he'll reveal deep and secret things to those that are close to him?

In 2011 Bitcoin was $3.50 that was about N500. N20,000 in 2011 would have gotten gotten one 40 Bitcoins. NOW in 2021 bitcoin is worth over N25 million. 40 × 25 million= N1 billion therefore setting you and family out of poverty for life.

Was there no one worthy or deserving of this revelation? No poor Christian as at then was righteous enough for God to reveal this secret and liberate him from poverty? Or he showed some and they didn't take it serious. If you know of any such person that took such step let us know...

Firstly, you lay a claim you don't have data on. You will need to present your source of the first claim in your write up. If it's assumptions. Then you may need to rewrite.

Secondly, your handling of the scriptures aren't properly done. When Bible is used for quotation of verses, you will speak as a con man. But when it is read as conversation. Reading the context of discussion, you will read the intent of the author. This is because, the scriptures weren't nugget of points but discussion and conversation of people. You must read like that to understand it.


So, try read those places you referenced and other sources, then you will see the mistake in your texts.

As a starter, if money and riches is what you think the kingdom of God is, then you haven't read the scriptures well.

LordReed:


LMFAO! Don't you just love how all methods of validating the truth of you people's claims are actively resisted. Bwahahahahahaha!

Methods are subjective to the willingness of the individual. What governs us differs. I am trained and taught to know that some things don't require distribution or noise making.

Do you want me to neglect my training to please you? I am sure you don't. So, like I said, I wasn't trained or taught from the scriptures to do so.

What I expect you to try and debunk is if I am lying about what scriptures taught me on showing off what you asked. If am not lying, then you don't have to make a man neglect his training to please you by giving you your desire.


So, like I said. the scriptures taught about tongues and praying in the spirit, I have shown you that from the same scriptures you referred earlier.

And the scriptures also taught on how we relate with it as regarding trying to please another by showing off.

This is the point.

Workch:
I am good as long as you are in pain

You can't be good like this Bro. You are laboring on a direction you vowed not to follow in life. Are you sure you are not under an influence? Ojú lásán kó lèyí.

Workch:
Nobody can control what you believe, it's your personal life however It becomes a problem when those who believe the fictional Bible can't keep it to themselves.
It's becomes a problem when they try to use those fictions to dictate how everyone should live their lives.
Everyone is aware of the fact that there's no rationality in the scriptures and those who believe it do that on the basis of faith and not reason, it's okay to believe whatever you want but it's not okay to spread such beliefs like cancer and literally make your fictional narratives the unfalsifiable truth. That's where Christianity has a problem

If your fictional stories have to be true then it's going to do so on the basis of rationality and evidence.

Religion is like a penis, it's okay to have it but when you flash it on the faces of those who don't want to see it, it becomes a problem.

You are really worked up o.

What do you call a man who doesn't believe in betting but spend his whole life and savings at betting station trying to prove betting wrong? I won't give you options available as answers.

If something is not pursuing him, he is definitely pursuing something that is beyond him.

Your romance around what you don't believe in is a sign of being troubled. What is troubling you is what we are yet to know. But we do know sha.

pakirisuitesphc:
I don't agree with you, speaking out anything can be
done easily, I have seen a place where a man of God was describing people who didn't speak in tongues after he laid hand on them as not serious or ready. So for some to escape the embarrassment, they opened their mouths and uttered something whether real or fake, nobody there to interprete

I am not speaking about what one man said. I am referencing what was taught in the Bible Sir. Anyone can insert his opinion but the scriptures is the authority. It's not subject to agreement, it's God's word and not human opinion.

So when we look at it and get the authors intent, we have no choice than to adhere to it.

Paul in the scriptures never taught tongues as human language. This can't change no matter how badly people have manipulated it to suit their purpose or falsely interpreted it. He taught tongues as spiritual gifts that is not known in human mind.

LordReed:


Record an audio file and post it here to show the difference.

If Paul taught us to act like that, I would have done it for you. But he never did.

Workch:
The thread overwhelmed you.
When your logic has been used against you

Like I said, you really like to rub your head by yourself. Well it's a good virtue, if you don't, no one will do it for you.

bmdmix11:
stop lying none of u do u can't, u just yapping rubbish.


if they put u n another tongue yapping in different n tell u both to translate what u said in English n what d other is saying u both will either bite ur tongue or conclude that d other isn't speaking in tongue

Is this the tongue the OP is referencing? Paul never taught this.

LordReed:


That is because speaking in tongues or glossolalia is not a spiritual gift, it's just something we humans can do, like a baby trying to talk and forming syllables from what it has heard around it. There is nothing to interpret.

Here again?

Yes it is glossolalia. Which can be "to speak in tongues". But you didn't read it whole, if you do you will see how Paul intelligently clear that for you to show the different from what you speak and what he is saying.


He called it

glossolalia 1 Cor 14:2
proseuchomai pnema 1 Cor 14:15
eulogeō pneuma 1 Cor 14:16

He said the glossolalia he is speaking about comes from the spirit.

Pray with/in the spirit
Bless with/in the spirit

Is what he called speaking in tongues.

So that is the distinction from your illustration.

pakirisuitesphc:
Dear brothers and sisters,[a] if I should come to you speaking in an unknown language,[b] how would that help you? But if I bring you a revelation or some special knowledge or prophecy or teaching, that will be helpful.
Most pentecostal Christians can open their mouths and speak in tongues but you hardly see those who can interprete among them. Please I want Christians in the house to contribute and no derogatory contribution please.
If nobody can interpret, how are they sure they are speaking to God or passing meaningful messages.

You will need to read all of 1 Cor 14 to understand what Paul is saying. You only quoted a part and that can change the true intent of the author.

1. Paul, in all of his writings, never taught tongues as human language

2. Interpretation of tongue is a spiritual exercise, an activity in/from/of the spirit which man should function in.

3. This activities/gifts must be taught, recognized and practiced by believers (church) before you can see it dominant in among them.

So the reason you may see a place where tongue is dominant and interpretation isn't is because of lack of the teaching of the same as gift of the Spirit available for the believer.

Workch:
But I believe god now, he’s on my thread.
You can’t disprove that

When you get nailed with your own logic

You can see that your thread is not taken serious again. It has become a childish craftiness. This is exactly how you will be viewed in real life if you display such level of ignorance you did here or speak as unlearned.

No one want to relate with unsound judgment.
Thats my help for you.

Workch:
The lord is here to heal my pain, he’s on my thread

You cannot prove that god is not here

Okay. It's sufficient for you. If that will help your comprehension of writings, am all good for it. Just get the help.

Workch:
You should go and learn basics of burden of proof in philosophy and logic first before trying to teach people

Illiterate

I know, it's your easy way out. It's good for you.

Hold it well o, so that the burden doesn't weigh you down before you have your proof.

Workch:
E pain am

Go and prove that he’s not good

Pain?

Your most have overrate yourself. Funny folk.
I am helping you solve your issues, you are speaking of pain.

There is a greater pain in your mode of reading and comprehension. That is what you should focus us.

Don't get caught up in real life with this.

Workch:
I have seen god, he’s here on this thread.
I now believe he exist

Okay. It's good for you. Add the to your portfolio of confusion.

Workch:
We don’t believe the biblical claim, that’s not a claim.

The Bible has thousands of unproven claims that you should prove. Not me.

If you want to preach the Bible then be ready to provide evidence for the claims in it. You cannot runaway from providing evidence sir

When you start reading Bible properly, you will ask for the right claim and will get your answers.

For now enjoy reading stories from it and continue taking it to school of science to be arguing and looking for proofs.

I wonder the meaning of wisdom today, if a man can take a theological book to science school and be reading it as scientific. Where is the wisdom?

You have a lot to learn.

FatherOfJesus:
You cannot advise God

I am God, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

You have to prove that I am not.
If you dare try to advise me, I will send you to hell

..

Pèlé. I understand your plight.

It's not easy to be full of confusing knowledge.

When feeding/food is not well defined, it's stunted and confused growth you will see.

When the knowledge you feed on is mixed in confusion, the result is what is seen in you now.

Workch:
thats because the burden of proof is on that person who made the claim of a god. Which is the positive claim

It’s idiotic trying to shift to to someone who Deny the claim. You should go back to philosophy and logic class

Bro, drop your keyboard. Go and learn and come back. You have failed too much here to even still have your internet device in your hands. Cover face, drop your keyboard and pick things that will help you out of this knowledge failure.

Nah simple help I have be that.

FatherOfJesus:
You are a fool if you think the burden of proof lies on the person refuting the God claim.
Religious people always think foolishly.

The Bible made thousands of claims that hasn't been proven and you want someone that is refuting it to bear the burden of proof. If that's how burden of proof works in your useless church then I wil reset your brain here.

That's what religion does, it turned everhting upside-down to cover its dishonesty. It amuses me that people who preach truth can be this dishonest.

How can you tell someone who's refute the biblical claims to prove a negative? Are you Christians everlasting morons?

Religion is a total scam and practiced by idiots who are liars and you are evidence for that.

You make amateur philosophy mistakes of Russell's teapot and then think you have any brain in thay your skull?
Who provides Evidence for a god claim?
The person making the claim or the person refuting it?

If I slap you EH?

Let me advise you. Ehn.

I know it's part of your training to be rude and uncultured. It's a trademark of your lots.

Like I told your brother, internet is your covering. But if you are smart enough, you will know, you can't communicate among humans just the way you did up there. You will be taken for not normal.

To be a normal person, you must know how you speak normal, and handle your emotions from being disturbed. When you are troubled just the way you did, you won't be normal in attitude, words and actions. And I know you desire to be normal in this.

So go and learn how to speak among humans, you relate too much with machines (internet, phones, computer) and it's already making you speak abnormally.

I hope you understand.

Workch:
Hupernikao is a typical Christian, he refuses to take responsibility for the claims of the Bible and tries to shift the responsibility to the opposition.

It’s has religious people reason like they don’t have anything upstairs.

Just like telling me to disprove Flying Spaghetti Monster, does that make any sense?

You have now become used to giving false witness. You made a claim, yet put it on the Bible. I asked you to defend your claim, you are shouting burden of proof. Is this how you have been learning and claim wisdom.

I know wisdom to you and your lots mean to be able to sing the lyrics of science.

I took you through history, you failed
I took you through language, you failed
I took you through proper reasoning, you failed. Is this how you are outside internet?

Just ensure you don't fail in this last one: to go back to your nursery table of knowledge because, to be sincere with you, you don't understand anything on what you set out to criticize.

Trying to bully your ways around knowledge will eventually turn you to a hoodlum among the wise.

FatherOfJesus:
Religion is a disease. It eats the most valuable parts of the brain and leaves wasted remnant.

The religious moo wants you to disprove lies that hasn't been proven. This can only happen in religion
I usually do not have patience for such kind of ignoramus.

You haven't said anything than regurgitating consonants you were taught.

There is no intelligence you claim to have in your write up than strawman from untrained mind.

Internet is your covering, if not, can you be discussing face to face and all you regurgitating is abuse wrapped in you emotional trauma. Internet have given you cloth to wear but didn't offer you a cap to help your way of thinking.

Workch:
What would it take for Christians to believe that Zeus and Flying Spaghetti Monster exist?

-I contend we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours.- Stephen Roberts

In intelligent argument as this, pushing on burden of proof is a sign of lack of knowledge. When you know something proof it. If you say a god doesn't exist, that is a claim, so you proof it. If someone say he does exist that is a claim, he should also prove it. But hiding behind a burden of proof is a strawman approach and found among people who only talk of things they can even understand or defend.

I have asked you over 15 times since yesterday to prove your claim but you were only repeating the memory verse (Spiderman, spaghetti. Lol) you were taught by your senior counterpart.

Such mindset can't sit on the table of intelligent argument. It only strive online.

Workch:
No, the Bible claim god created earth and everything is 6days.

The Bible claim Noah ark happened.

The Bible claim Jesus was born by a virgin.

No evidence for any, only lies believed by sick people

Nothing different from Spider-Man comic

I don try for you . What i have taught you can last you a lifetime of study, just take it and start learning well to avoid having to regurgitate same thing when caught off guard.

And if you have been troubled by false teaching of the scriptures or passed through issues due to it, take heart, its the lot of many until they start reading the bible the way it was read when written. So, no need using foul words, points, points, convincing points are what is key not emotional outburst.

You are too emotional on what you cant even explain or know.

Workch:
When I see gospel of the Flying Spaghetti Monster, I see his plans

His plans are as valid as the Christian god

You can see that you have no point again.

I chose to give you my time since yesterday to drag you and know if you truly know what you are saying. But it is evidence you know nothing about what you claim to hold true. I am sure you just see atheism as another movement that suit your desires. You will soon find another and move if you are not careful.


It is atheist that i know that speaks about what they dont even know jack about yet claim to have known so much. Now you are exposed and start repeating words. Cover your eyes Sir.

I have taken you through the journey of ancient knowledge for you to know that modern science alone wont be the basis of reading and understanding ancient text. You must understand it by examining the culture, history, language of their days. many of you lack this knowledge yet want to speak and criticize a book written in ancient world.


Go and get a nursery education on this, reach your teachers in atheism, check the internet for your leaders who have read well. They dont make ridiculous assertion as you did.

You cant even provide 1 single answer top every journey of the ancient world i have questioned you on. Dont you think that is bad.


If you want to be a critic, be a vast one and not get hooked. This is your case here. Your knowledge of the world and culture starts and ends in modern science. So funny. It means you cant see beyond 2500 years behind, out of the over 300 millions years of the earth existence that you claimed.

Walahi, you guys are funny lots and need flogging sometimes.
You can continue your romance with those who will be dragging science with you on religion. But dont forget what i taught you here.

There is a distinction between science and the scriptures and no writer of the scriptures taught science. They taught theology. So. to start discussing science to debunk what was written there already showed you are starting from a point of ignorance. And that is the case of those who walk this same route.

Bro, i beg you, start learning now.

Workch:
The Bible made claims it can’t defend hence we demand for evidence.

Why are Christians allergic to evidence?

No, the bible didnt make any claim, you did. You were the one who said Noah's ark was bible creation, you were the one. So, you should provide evidence of that.


I am teaching you what Moses could have taught you but you are reluctant to knowledge. The people of his days will make jest of you if you read the way you read now. Better start reading properly.


Again, read this well.
Moses, is a prophet of God, he spoke for God on his plan for humanity, not on science and astronomy. People of old used events and legends to drive home their points in teaching wisdom but when all you can see is the legend, you will miss the vitals of the message.

I guess today, when you pick the book Animal Farm, you will say Orwell was mad and making claims whereas you are the one who isnt ready to be a good student to know what he was communicating.

You are exposing yourself too much as not knowing how to read ancient books. Dont make knowledgeable people laugh at you. Refresh yourself.

Workch:
thousands of claims in the Bible, none has evidence.

We don’t believe sir, they are all lies unless we the evidence. Live with it

You are actually that has to live with it not me.
When i see the scriptures i see God's plan for you. I dont see stories for kids, i read and see the plan God has for you even before this age. That is what Moses also was communicating to you. If you dont see that, you will have to live with what you see, which is limited to your dynamic knowledge.

You speak of what you do know, we speak of what we have read, seen, observed and know its true: the plan of God for you. I can only beseech you to submit your heart to honesty and start finding out what the writer were writing and not reading all they wrote literally. You were taught all English structure and lexicon so that you can know how to read properly and not see movies but knowledge behind the writers intent.

Workch:
the Bible made a claim It hasn't proven.
It will. Prove it else it didn't happen.

It as good as Spiderman tales

You are just excited about knowledge, you arent a good student to knowledge. You need to start thinking on how to defend any claim you make than waiting for others to help you. No one will do your work for you.

Workch:
if the Bible makes claims of Moses existing then it has to prove it.
No one will help the Bible prove all the shit in it

You raised it that it doesnt exist, explain your source, your reasons, your claim. Why is that hard for you. passing the bucks mean you dont understand what you are even claiming. A man of knowledge will proof things beyond reasonable doubt than waiting for burden of proof. Only lazy minds wait for that, a strawman approach to evidence.

You need to go and study more, so that you can substantiate your claim. This is when you can start speaking as expert.

Workch:
all fictional characters can only exist in the Bible not in real world if the proponents don’t provide evidence

Burden of proof is on you. Don’t lazily shift it

It is obvious you actually dont know anything about what you are criticizing. See how you are exposed here. With all your bogus claim of knowledge, you can explain what you claim to be sure of. Arent you judged by your heart when you lay claim you cant explain?

A man who knows well, dont speak the way you speak. He will communicate and explain through evidence of things and not wait for the other party to be explaining. So when you were taught this lies, your master told you the burden of proof is on the other and you believed and you never asked hi to give his own proof to help you?

See how bad you have been taught.

So sad.

Workch:
Moses and god didn’t exist, if you think they do then provide evidence.

Why are you scared of providing evidence for your imaginary friends ?

Me to provide evidence? You made a claim Bro. You arent bold enough to defend your claim?

It is very easy to sit somewhere and just be repeating what you read from dishonest source. Now you are asked to defend, you start pushing responsibilities. State here how you know they dont exist. Is that soo hard.