Mikee19:
You've come face to face with what it means to be a jw. U r either part of them or u burn at armageddon

I understand u...but someone must tell the truth...I am Pentecostal and if I can tell the truth to some school of thought in my Pentecostal church that seems inaccurate...other denomination shud be able to hear or do likewise...but accepting wrongs in the name of denominational leanings is not good enough...it's hypocrisy

MaxInDHouse:


Ọmọ you refused to learn so keep whatever you think you know i've given you more than enough.
You don't believe the Bible you will know that all humans came from the same bloodline through Noah's generation.
Well giants were born to other humans but those during Noah's time aren't humans 100% so my guy keep what you think you know!

Dear MaxinDHouse
I understand every single passage of every scriptures...even the ones that were not cannonized I dedicate my self to reading them to know why they were not and to learn from it...I discovered the distortion in some of them and I learn also from those part of them that were not distorted...I learn without interference or premeditated knowledge or bais...I know the scriptures through and through (all praises to God) because I was objective in my learning...I compare scriptures with scriptures like the berean church...I do not do Dem say Dem say...I do my research...u mistake the Omoluabi because u didn't research but maybe a brother or elder used it as an analogy and u bought into it just like dat but it seems to appeal to a believe or make sense...but its a LIE...now u know...but unfortunately the same goes for many things u av believe because u heard it from a person or people u respect and think they can't be wrong...u made no or little research with a mind of acceptance already...

You know I always advice u cos I was once like u but in a Pentecostal (still in Pentecostal though but no denomination shapens my knowledge)...but u av potentials but like I always tell u...u restricting urself to a confinement...
Good luck in the process of realizing and rediscovering urself and potentials just like I did some years back...u will be at peace with God and new true knowledge u found in his word and spirit alone...
Note,I am not a trinitarian but I am a Pentecostal...what an irony ehn...that's wat I mean by not being denominationally bais but be objective in learning the truth even if it negate wat u av accepted or ur sect before...
Peace

johnw47:






God's Word has always existed in God

God bought His Word out of Himself to be a seperate Person

God's Word/Son cannot be an angelic being unless God Himself is a angel


God/Creator
angels/created

God is not a created angel so his Son from Himself cannot be a angel


angels and humans are called son's of God
but angels are created from nothing except the Word of God
adam was made from the dust of the earth

the Word is neither created from nothing or made from dust but is from God


so called jw's keep saying Jesus is michael but don't try to give proof, or their secret knowledge when challenged by someone who is able to express well biblical knowledge, such as immaculatesense and others

Dear johnw47
I really do appreciate ur complement...thank u so much...but pls don't let it be as though ur attacking a denomination in itself...I am a Pentecostal and I don't support many of Pentecostal teaching and I use my office to correct some of those teaching to my listeners...no denomination in itself is perfect...any denomination laying claim to perfection is just kidding...but as individuals we must always look aways from denominational bias and focus on Jesus and wat he said in John 4:24
[24]For God is Spirit, so those who worship him must worship in spirit and in truth.”

And the meaning is that we must worsho God in the spirit (i.e by the leading of the holy spirit) in us which is our seal and the truth which is the word of God... remember Jesus said "Santify them with the word,they word is truth"...
If a Christian can live his or her life on this instruction of Christ in John 4:24...he is who God wants thus to serve him John 4:23
[23]But the time is coming—indeed it’s here now—when true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and in truth. The Father is looking for those who will worship him that way.

Not denominational leanings that have flaws and school of thoughts...it's not that we will not belong to a denomination...but don't think a denomination is ultimate beyond the base which are spirit(holy spirit) and truth(the word).

And lastly,angels are never referred to as sons of God...it was a misinterpretation of Genesis and Job...I explained that to MaxinDHouse in one other thread...u can check d thread out and u can check the etymology of that word or u can ask me question...maybe I will take time to reexplain to u again of that will help...sons of God in Judaism that predate Christianity is used for children of righteousness in each generation starting from Adam to Seth to the period of Job and was borrowed to Christianity in new testament for believers changing it from sons to children of God since Judaism is manly but Christianity is not gender bais...
Check this out below
God bless u

MaxInDHouse:


Guy i've told you that you and i aren't on the same page so if you have any question just go ahead and ask, if not hold onto whatever you want i'm not a worshiper of your God.

Your three questions:

(1) Noah and his family didn't become violent like other humans.
Due to the way the giant sons of angels were causing trouble everywhere most people also became violent to combat the violent giants but instead of joining them Noah became a preacher {2Peter 2:5} so God looked down from heaven and Noah and his family were approved for salvation!

(2) No the giants were born by fallen angels but there were male humans too like Noah married with their own children they're the ones Noah preached to not the fallen angels or their violent giant children!

(3) He was 100% human that's why all his descendants were humans.
Let me give you a gist:
Have you heard of Ọmọlúàbí before?
Well the Yorùbá people learned from history that after the destruction of evil people only Lúà (Noah) and his descendants were virtuous that's why they always refer to virtuous people as "Ọmọ tí Lúà bí"

Just calm down and learn!

Lol...u need to change everything about u...u first need to unlearn the heresies and start learning...
U goofed in all ur three points and I will point them out to u...
1)you mentioned Giants for symbol of the sons of the angels(u wrongly infer as sons of God)...if the Giants were sons of sons of God like u said...and u said they av bn wiped off by the flood and even the sand they use to recreate themselves was wiped of like u claim...here is the question...
Who were the giant sons of Emites and Anakites...Read Deuteronomy 2:10
[10](A race of giants called the Emites had once lived in the area of Ar. They were as strong and numerous and tall as the Anakites, another race of giants.

Did the angels remould themselves again after they av bn chained and their element wiped off like u said...did they come back to give birth to these new set of rare gaints or is it another set of angel who fell again after those ones? Think and answer

2) This ur number two and three reply ehn...u no dey fear God?...chai...so,Noah was selective in his preaching according to u and still those ones he selected did not hear? Nawa for u ooo

3) Lol...I can't just laughing...u brought my language Yoruba into this again?...Omoluabi is Omo ti Noah bi (children Noah gave birth to) according to u...Jesus...was Noah Oduduwa or was Noah in the story line of the Yoruboid creation myth?...Jesus...u no dey fear...I am Yoruba...see what Omoluabi means...Jesus Christ...ahhh... MaxinDHouse...Jesu

udoh2k:


This instruction of Paul to Timothy was a "medical advice". It was not a call to drunkenness or consumation of strong drink. Even some present day medicines contain some kind of alcohol ,perhaps responsible for diziness. It's purely medicinal when precribed...outside that...it is drug abuse, self medication.

Dear udoh2k
May I ask...which passage of the Bible ask us not to drink alcohol or strong drink...cos I av read through the scriptures and the only thing I see is warning against getting DRUNK..
Cos even Jesus Christ drinks Alcohol (since the definition of wine contains anytin that has alcohol) wine
/wʌɪn/
noun
an alcoholic drink made from fermented grape juice.

What do u think about this verse
Read Luke 7:33-34
[33]For John the Baptist didn’t spend his time eating bread or drinking wine, and you say, ‘He’s possessed by a demon.’
[34]The Son of Man, on the other hand, feasts and drinks, and you say, ‘He’s a glutton and a drunkard, and a friend of tax collectors and other sinners!’

Any question?

Kobojunkie:
Again, Jesus Christ made it clear to you in John 6 vs 25 - 35 that instead of working to earn your living aka perishable bread, you are to instead work for bread that sustains to eternity which only He can give to you if you submit and obey Him.

Jesus Christ said those who love Him are those who continously submit to and obey His commandments. - John 14 vs 15 - 25 & John 15 vs 14

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The reason I show you Bible verses showing you what Jesus Christ Himself said is so you know His Truth from the many lies you seem to hold to as far as His Kingdom is concerned.

I give up on u man...

Kobojunkie:
Again, Jesus Christ made it clear to you in John 6 vs 25 - 35 that instead of working to earn your living aka perishable bread, you are to instead work for bread that sustains to eternity which only He can give to you if you submit and obey Him.

Jesus Christ said those who love Him are those who continously submit to and obey His commandments. - John 14 vs 15 - 25 & John 15 vs 14

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The reason I show you Bible verses showing you what Jesus Christ Himself said is so you know His Truth from the many lies you seem to hold to as far as His Kingdom is concerned.

Should we work and earn money?
Yes or No...simple...are u afraid to defend ursef?
Yes or No

MaxInDHouse:


Guy i've told you that i'm Maximus one of Jehovah's Witnesses, we don't do all those stuffs of yours where you give what you have and take from your fellow Churchgoers.
We PREACH and TEACH those who are willing to learn so if you're not ready to learn we will take our leave and you can continue exchanging your stuff with your fellow Churchgoers!

Before Noah's time angels don't know humans are enjoying something they (angels) can enjoy that's why Satan went to heaven and told them to look into what is called SEX. They were moved so they abandoned their abode {Jude 6} and came down to make use of the dust of the ground which God used to form Adam. They formed beautiful bodies that's irresistible for female humans and since they're highly intelligent with the ability to earn whatever it takes to pay ladies all were running after them. Genesis 6:2

For your information that's how Satan dragged one third of the angels in heaven to join him in rebelling against God {Revelations 12:4} and most people do wonder why God had to use flood to destroy Noah's generation? Well it's because God doesn't want the angels to make further use of the original soil He use to form Adam anymore so the flood washed them away and that's why we have deserts on the planet otherwise the whole earth supposed to be habitable for humans with green vegetations everywhere! Genesis 1:27-28

That's the origin of demons God never created any angel to become a demon they left their proper dwelling places during Noah's time and God disowned them! 1Peter 3:19-20

So when the true God said there's no God anywhere else apart from Him {Exodus 20:2-3} it's because all other nations were worshiping demons there's no God beside the Holy One of Israel. That's why He sent Moses and said "i have made you God" because before the messenger of the true God all those demons will become powerless! Exodus 8:18-19

I hope you have learned a lot but if you're still anticipating the usual give and take stuff with your fellow Churchgoers abeg count me out.

Iron do sharpen iron {Proverbs 27:17} it's only applicable in the gathering of the worshipers of my own God so if you're not with us there's practically nothing sacred we can learn from you! 2Corinthians 6:14

May you have PEACE!

Dear MaxinDHouse
I just felt like crying for u...u seem lost and brainwash with analogy that as not ground...u distorted the meaning of Jude 6...read and let me explain it to u
Jude 1:6
[6]And I remind you of the angels who did not stay within the limits of authority God gave them but left the place where they belonged. God has kept them securely chained in prisons of darkness, waiting for the great day of judgment.

Explanation
They (Angels) did no stay within the limit of authority God gave them..."
This angels were giving roles and hierarchy by God but we're deceived by the devil who wanted a higher position himself by promising them a higher and better roles and authority more than the one God has given to them.
Compare it with Isaiah 14:13-14
[13]For you said to yourself,
    ‘I will ascend to heaven and set my throne above God’s stars.
I will preside on the mountain of the gods
    far away in the north.
[14]I will climb to the highest heavens
    and be like the Most High.’

Let me explain the later part...
"...God has kept them chained in prison of darkness waiting for the day of judgement"
Explanation
Instead of getting to that higher role,they find themselves demoted and chained(i.e restricted) to the worse and awaiting their judgement.
Compare it with
Isaiah 14:15,19
[15]Instead, you will be brought down to the place of the dead,
    down to its lowest depths.
[19]but you will be thrown out of your grave
    like a worthless branch.
Like a corpse trampled underfoot,
    you will be dumped into a mass grave
    with those killed in battle.
You will descend to the pit.
   

You went further to distort the story of the flood and Noah...let me ask u and ask ursef or ur teachers...
Why was Noah and his family spared?
Didn't he also carry the blood of those demons?
If he does,are we not all carry their blood?
If he doesn't,how can we prove dat and why did he have to preach for 100's of years...since others are carrying the blood of demons...why is God looking for way out for them...

Think man Think...don't be restrictive I always tell u...u av got potentials...but ur restricting ursef

Joshuam1:


You are right, it is not master and slave, it is partnership.

Okay...good

Kobojunkie:
1. I don't do sects. That said, the only one Jesus Christ actuality commanded His followers to believe in and obey is Himself. So logically if I chose to trust and obey Jesus Christ, it follows that I will not trust nor obey anyone else. Duh!

2a. I do understand "inspiration" which in no way means certification of Truth. In Genesis 2, we learn tha the knowledge of Good and of Evil, all belongs to God, meaning all knowledge is "inspired" by God. Does this mean all knowledge is True? Absolutely not! So stop brandishing the word "inspired" as though it is unique to even scripture because it isn't.

2b. As for what is written in 2 Samuel 24:1 & 1 Chronicles 21:1, if you understand who Satan is and who he works for, you would understand that those two passages speak of the same thing which is that God caused David to disobey Him. Focus on God, not morals and then you will learn God's Truth instead of your meaningless morals.

3. Again, Jesus Christ made it clear to you in John 6 vs 25 - 35 that instead of working to earn your living aka perishable bread, you are to instead work for bread that sustains to eternity which only He can give to you if you submit and obey Him.

I believe God's Truth.

You are just rigmaroling...the question is should a believer work to earn or not... u av bn quoting Bible verses and we av read it...just answer YES or NO...simple...and save us the stress...or are u feeling shy or afraid of saying Yes or No?

Kobojunkie:
1. I obviously didn't understand the reason behind your two-captains schpeel hence the question.

2a. Instruction from the God who only said His own are to teach the world the very same Gospel He taught to them?

2b. As for inspiration, even the lies spoken by the devil and his demons, all of them recorded in the scriptures are also inspired. So I am not certain why you insist on inspiration as if it is certification of Truth. Unless you are here suggesting demons and devils speak God's Truth.

2c. I only believe in the teachings(and commandments) of Jesus Christ, God's Truth. All other teachings that run in conflict or contradict God's Truth,I ofcourse do not believe in.

3. Oh, I do know what Jesus Christ came to do. He came to redeem/save men from God's curse, and make into Sons of God. Salvation, which you all claim is from God's curse.

4. Those who are of the Kingdom of God have overcome that particular part of the curse by believing in Jesus Christ. Eternal life which you get as you enter into through one of the two gates ensure that you will not return to dust when you die.

Ohhh..now am beginning to understand the sect u belong...those who really do not believe in Paul's teaching but the first four gospels...ohhh...I get...
But also u don't understand wat inspire means...that doesn't mean perfection but the need to put down sometin...human error is permissible because it deals with perspective...example is..
2 Samuel 24:1
[1]Once again the anger of the lord burned against Israel, and he caused David to harm them by taking a census. “Go and count the people of Israel and Judah,” the lord told him.
And
1 Chronicles 21:1
[1]Satan rose up against Israel and caused David to take a census of the people of Israel.

One writer said the Lord rose against David...another writer Said the Devil rose against david...
This are perspectives but that doesn't change the moral and the purpose...

Let ask straight since I know where u belong now...
Should a believer work to Earn or live without doing nothing?

Kobojunkie:
1. So you are saying that you bend what is written in order to have it conform to your will because you are a captain much like God is supposed to be?

2. Paul wrote down the Gospel, Jesus Christ, God's Law in the Kingdom of God?

Your claimed that authority was bestowed upon you in the name of Paul's, and that is what I am concerned with understanding the how and why of.

3. Your rambling does not make sense of any kind. God cursed mankind in Genesis 3 vs 16 vs 22, and then God sent Jesus Christ to redeem men from that curse. Meaning that those who belong to Jesus Christ are to, through obedience of Him, no longer live under the curse. What part of this do you have issue with understanding?

How do u think people see u and ur reply...it does not even correlate with wat ur quoting in my comment
1) Which time did I exemplify God as captain...the captain example I gave was about the man and the woman...go back to dat comment and read again before replying...gushhhh

2) You seem lost in my comment total...who said Paul wrote God's law...I said he wrote the epistle to the church for instruction from God...or do u have issue with 2 Timothy 3:16-17
[16]All Scripture is inspired by God and is useful to teach us what is true and to make us realize what is wrong in our lives. It corrects us when we are wrong and teaches us to do what is right.
[17]God uses it to prepare and equip his people to do every good work.

Or do u not believe the epistle of Paul for service or doctrine cos it seems I don't know u and ur belief...

3) Do u even know wat Jesus came to do?...after man dies...the hope of salvation is the fact that we have hope to be raised at the last day...do u tink as long as man lives...those things God said in Genesis 3:16-19?...if u say we are free from it in this earth den the last curse is "FOR YOU WERE MADE FROM DUST AND TO DUST SHALL YOU RETURN"
Genesis 3:19
[19]By the sweat of your brow
    will you have food to eat
until you return to the ground
    from which you were made.
For you were made from dust,
    and to dust you will return.”

Wats ur problem with accepting FACTS

Bahamas95:
I don't understand what you're driving at, the question is about misinterpretation of the Bible.....That's how alcohol lovers interprete that passage judging by what I always hear them say. That "excess" is what they focus on.

I understand u...they are not wrong if they focus on the excess...cos that's wats wrong...and wat do u mean by alcohol lover? Is it people dat love to drink alcohol or peoplethat get drunk drinking alcohol...cos the people who love drinking alcohol are not breaking any rule but those who love to drink drunk are...so,they are different

Kobojunkie:
I see in desperation you are again trying to redefine/twist what is written in order that you can continue bowing to God's curse on marriage - Genesis 3 vs 16 - while you delude yourself that you are redeemed from the very same curse by Jesus Christ. Just know that God is not a fool!

2. God and Paul delegate authority? You actually think God to be an imbe_cile, don't you?

Dear kobojunkie...
If I and u are captain and well trained ones...we wanna jump into ship...won't we first sit to decide which of us will drive the wheel? Amos 3:3 comes to mind Amos 3:3
[3]Can two people walk together
    without agreeing on the direction?

U are bothered about my usage of God and Paul?...God commands...Paul convey it in writing or do God write by himself to us from heaven?

U talk about curse...why are you surprised...wen Adam and Eve sinned...didn't God curse them that they will die?...when Jesus came to save us...did that still stop man from dieing(natural death) till date? Why do women still available to go through pain in child bearing according to the curse? If the curse is total over?


Ur so funny...u make me laugh

MaxInDHouse:


Guy you just like stories!

Angels are the sons of God only born again Christians later became "Sons of God" {John :11-12} because they will also become like angels in heaven! Matthew 22:30

@ Genesis 6 angels came down materialised bodies for themselves and started mating with female humans. Daughters of men belongs to humans for marriage but angels aren't supposed to mate with humans that's why the ladies bear unusual babies (giants) for them.

So calm down and learn, humans are supposed to marry humans there's nothing strange if humans marry humans but it's due to the fact that the ones talked about there aren't humans that's why the Bible says "the sons of God married the daughters of men"

Lol...u didn't answer all the fact questions I presented...do angel reproduce? Do the devil still available access to the throne of God?
See the etymology of the Hebrew word "sons of God on Wikipedia...the oldest believe from the earliest Hebrew historians who said they are righteous people rather than angel before the later ones that started the debate it to be angels rather than righteous people...

Even in Judaism that predate Christianity interpretes sons of God as righteous people of God
See

Joshuam1:


The will of the church is subjected to the will of Christ, as a good church you do what Christ wants you to do, not what you want to do.

As a good church you ask permission from Christ in prayer to know what he wants you to do.

1 Corinthians 11:3
But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.

Dear Joshuam 1
U are great point...but the submission of a woman to man is not d kinda submission that happens between a master and his slave...
Remember Paul even said in Ephesians 5:21
[21]And further, submit to one another out of reverence for Christ.
Before verse 22...Ephesians 5:22
[22]For wives, this means submit to your husbands as to the Lord.

The reason for the submission is like a pilot or captain of the ship...two captain cannot drive a ship at the same time...dat doesn't mean he cannot be guided or question by other co workers in the ship...Read 1 Corinthians 11:11
[11]But among the Lord’s people, women are not independent of men, and men are not independent of women.

God and Paul decided to delegate this authority to either of the man or woman...the man was chosen for many reasons that Paul highlighted in 1 Timothy 2:13-14
[13]For God made Adam first, and afterward he made Eve.
[14]And it was not Adam who was deceived by Satan. The woman was deceived, and sin was the result.
And in 1 Corinthians 11:8-9
[8]For the first man didn’t come from woman, but the first woman came from man.
[9]And man was not made for woman, but woman was made for man.

I hope u can understand these...it's more of partnership but one as to take the forefront than master stroke servant relationship where one controls the other whether right it wrong

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Dear bigblow
U avnt read my comment from other thread...God is a title...even God call other gods "god"...God is a purpose... remember God told Moses in Exodus 7 that he will make Moses like God to pharaoh
But there is a difference between the Father and the son like u av pointed out...u are correct...the Father is greater than the son and there are tinz the Father knows that the son does not know and there are tinz the Father does that the son cannot do...I av explained that in another thread with Bible verses that come out of the mouth of Jesus himself...
So,that's not an issue
Now wat Colosians 1:16 means is the fact that before Jesus came to earth...he lived IN Gods bossom as His Word which make him enjoy the equality (i.e benefit) of being (IN) God...
Just as simple as dat...but if u visit another thread where I did justice to dat...I elaborated it the more expressly with so many verses...but I can't be making repetition on every thread

Kobojunkie:
1. That's exactly what Jesus Christ commands - John 6 vs 25 - 35 & Matthew 19 vs 28 - 30 - of those who belongs to Him beginning with the 12 disciples.

2. The Gospel, God's Truth aka Jesus Christ is not meant to conform to that written in the letter to the Thessalonians. So if that written there, or your understanding of it, is in direct conflict which that decreed by Jesus Christ, then that written in Thessalonians is a lie.

Dear kobojunkie
Lol...u are just unbelievable...you distorted the meaning of those two verses u quoted up there...
Starting with Matthew 19:28-30
That passage is talking about sacrifice for the gospel like peter,the apostles and even Paul and Barnabas amongst others had to leave their home town and family to go to far away countries and continent to preach and spread the gospel...
That doesn't mean they beg on the street like Paul said in Thessalonians or began to tax people...they never did
And in John 6:25-35 is talking about Anxiety...that we should not be anxious about wat we will eat or drink or about tomorrow...but that doesn't mean u won't plan to pay rents, school fees and other necessities...if u know the meaning of anxiety.. u will know wat Jesus is talking about...and d bottom line is... Anxiety negates faith...it shows that u don't believe in God's Providence and sufficiency but in ur own worry and curiosity

Kobojunkie:
Jesus Christ said you have to abandon your job/career/business, family, reputation etc., if you will have faith(trust and obedience) in Him, working Instead for food that endures to endures to eternity- John 6 vs 25 - 35. What you perceive as work does not compare to what you are used to there.

Dear kobojunkie
Do u mean we should not work to earn food and other necessities of life...
Because if u say Yes...it will negate 2 Thessalonians 3:7-12
[7]For you know that you ought to imitate us. We were not idle when we were with you.
[8]We never accepted food from anyone without paying for it. We worked hard day and night so we would not be a burden to any of you.
[9]We certainly had the right to ask you to feed us, but we wanted to give you an example to follow.
[10]Even while we were with you, we gave you this command: “Those unwilling to work will not get to eat.”
[11]Yet we hear that some of you are living idle lives, refusing to work and meddling in other people’s business.
[12]We command such people and urge them in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ to settle down and work to earn their own living.


Don't u think so?

MaxInDHouse:


YES! All spirit sons of God do behold His face but some are constantly standing right before him always! Luke 1:19

Dear MaxinDHouse
Another misinterpretation of the Genesis and Job's "sons of God"...they don't mean angels...
I don't really av time now but a quick one...
According to Genesis...if the sons of God are angels does that mean they were men with genital who has semen and can reproduce?...are there female angels and is there continuous reproductive activities going on in heaven?..that will negate Jesus statement in Matthew 22:29-30
[29]Jesus replied, “Your mistake is that you don’t know the Scriptures, and you don’t know the power of God.
[30]For when the dead rise, they will neither marry nor be given in marriage. In this respect they will be like the angels in heaven.

And in Job's sons of God cannot also mean the angels because the Bible made us to know that the devil came amongst them...does that mean that even after many years of the fall of the devil up to the time of Job...the devil still available access to the throne of God?...
That will be against Revelation 12:8-9
[8]And the dragon lost the battle, and he and his angels were forced out of heaven.
[9]This great dragon—the ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, the one deceiving the whole world—was thrown down to the earth with all his angels.

The sons of God was a term used to qualify the righteous group people at the time.

Genesis sons of God was for the family of Seth before they mingled with the daughters of Cain because of the civilization and beauty at the time...

Job's sons of God was for the likes of Job and his friends amongst others who always offer sacrifices before God always...but at a point in time while the devil was moving to and fro on the earth...he came to encounter these set of people who are righteous...that was wen the Lord was now boasting of particularly Job whose righteousness weighs beyond others..

Even Adam was referred to as son of God in Luke 3:38
[38]Kenan was the son of Enosh.Enosh was the son of Seth.Seth was the son of Adam.Adam was the son of God.

So...this sons of God and angel kinda tin is not it at all...

MaxInDHouse:


Guy no human (Adam's descendants) has seen God at any point in time {John 1:18} but as for angels they do have face to face meeting with the Almighty God {Job 1:6} so they are seeing Him life!

Dear MaxinDHouse
I just saw this now...let me ask u
Is it ALL angels dat do see God
Yes or No answer

Bahamas95:
Drink But Don't Get Drunk.




Drunkards nai dey quote this one to justify shayo.

Dear Bahamas95
Where is it in the Bible that u shud not drink

Can u quote it out for me

I only know the Bible said do not be drunk with wine
Ephesians 5:18
[18]Don’t be drunk with wine, because that will ruin your life. Instead, be filled with the Holy Spirit,

MaxInDHouse:


Guy the Bible said "the word with God" and that means there were TWO separate persons! John 17:3
So whether beside the father or in the bosom of the father none support the idea that the word is the father rather he is God's Son one of God's creation that's why the Bible referred to him as the first born of creation, nobody can be firstborn if not part of those been born!

You are unbelievable...read the explanation I gave to Johnw47... Christ was separated from God twice...first for creation,second for salvation...
Just read my comment to Johnw47...den quote dat comment and then comment on it

MaxInDHouse:


The bosom never mean the word is God Almighty, Lazarus in Jesus' parable was in the bosom of father Abraham it doesn't mean Lazarus is the same as father Abraham nah!

Now ur falling my hand...are the Greek words in both passage the same? Answer ooo...cos u know English and translation are restrictibe but the etymology of the original language is what matters and not the language of translation...
Or is it?

johnw47:


thanks for that, i don't think you understood what i said about choosing the right word according to context,
although i probably didn't say it well

yes, way back in eternity before creation when only God existed, He bought wisdom/the word out of Himself.

wisdom wasn't created, because before being bought out of God, wisdom always existed in God

God is a Spirit, the Word is that same Spirit that is God, God bought wisdom out of Himself, wisdom/the word didn't come from nothing but is of God's own Spirit just like i am of my human father's flesh, that's why God and the word is God, they are that same Spirit that is God. Father and Son

^ wisdom in pro 8:22 + is also personified as the Word/Jesus


Pro 8:24  When there were no depths I was brought forth (chul chiyl), when there were no springs abounding with water.


in context with this verse, bought forth (chul chiyl) is used as similar to birth

H2342
חִיל    חוּל
chûl    chı̂yl
khool, kheel
A primitive root; properly to twist or whirl (in a circular or spiral manner), that is, (specifically) to dance, to writhe in pain (especially of parturition) or fear; figuratively to wait, to pervert: - bear, (make to) bring forth, (make to) calve, dance, drive away, fall grievously (with pain), fear, form, great, grieve, (be) grievous, hope, look, make, be in pain, be much (sore) pained, rest, shake, shapen, (be) sorrow (-ful), stay, tarry, travail (with pain), tremble, trust, wait carefully (patiently), be wounded.
Total KJV occurrences: 58

according to context "chul chiyl" can also be used in matters of endurance, anguish, pain, etc.

Yes ur correct..."chul chil" in proverbs 8:22 is brought forth...and if u compare it with other scriptures I quoted earlier...u must know the difference while attribution is made to God(The Father) who has no beginning but in reference to His son Christ...he IS the beginning...take note
Revelation 3:14
[14]“Write this letter to the angel of the church in Laodicea. This is the message from the one who is the Amen—the faithful and true witness, the beginning of God’s new creation:

Like I av stated before...he lived in God as the word in the bossom of God...so,he enjoyed the reference of being God...read
Philippians 2:6
[6]Though he was God,
    he did not think of equality with God
    as something to cling to.

But he was brought forth twice...first at creation...Read
Proverbs 8:22-24,30
[22]“The lord FORMED me from the beginning,
    before he created anything else.
[23]I was APPOINTED in ages past,
    at the very first, before the earth began.
[24]I was BORN before the oceans were created,
    before the springs bubbled forth their waters.
[30]I was THE ARCHITECT at his side.
I was his constant delight,
    rejoicing always in his presence.

He was also brought forth at salvation but then he had to come in a lowliest form of bn a man...Read
Philippians 2:7-8
[7]Instead, he gave up his divine privileges;
    he took the humble position of a slave
    and was born as a human being.
When he appeared in human form,
   
[8]he humbled himself in obedience to God
    and died a criminal’s death on a cross.

He became separate from the Father and this time...he lost or let go of his right of being equal (i.e enjoy same benefit) with God...Read
John 1:14
[14]So the Word became human and made his home among us. He was full of unfailing love and faithfulness. And we have seen his glory, the glory of the Father’s one and only Son.

But here is the good news...after the salvation story has bn fulfilled,guess what...he will return to his initial stage of residing in the bossom of God as His word again...little wonder he told his disciples that wen he is raised he will be in the Father and not separate from him...Read
John 14:11,20
[11]Just believe that I am IN the Father and the Father is in me. Or at least believe because of the work you have seen me do.
[20]When I am raised to life again, you will know that I am IN my Father, and you are in me, and I am in you.

Read
Revelation 19:11-13
[11]Then I saw heaven opened, and a white horse was standing there. Its rider was named Faithful and True, for he judges fairly and wages a righteous war.
[12]His eyes were like flames of fire, and on his head were many crowns. A name was written on him that no one understood except himself.
[13]He wore a robe dipped in blood, and his title was the Word of God.

Christ will go back to enjoying his privilege as bn God in God...that is the Equality...u can't separate a man from his word and thought...they enjoy the same benefit as the man himself

Now read this crucial passage when even Christ himself will av to submit all authority to his father and return to his initial position and glory
1 Corinthians 15:27-28
[27]For the Scriptures say, “God has put all things under his authority.” (Of course, when it says “all things are under his authority,” that does not include God himself, who gave Christ his authority.)
[28]Then, when all things are under his authority, the Son will put himself under God’s authority, so that God, who gave his Son authority over all things, will be utterly supreme over everything everywhere.

MaxInDHouse:


I don't appreciate pointless stories!

If you know the answer just answer the question directly:



Period!

I already answered u...u used beside is not correct...where u quoted said bossom and not beside...so the answer is the word was in the bossom of God...simple

Maynman:


Allah and Elohim means same thing.
You forget y’all worship ABRAHAMIAC gods?
Yahweh is from cannanite the shasu tribe, one of the sons of elohim/Allah.

Tell me more about this plural

I asked a question from @AntiChristian...but u quoted me...I thought u would answer the question since u quoted...but u didn't...instead u asked me a question...
Don't dat sounds funny to u...unless u are the one running the @AntiChristian moniker...so,if u are...pls answer my question...and if u are not...pls let the addressee answer my question...
Thank you

AntiChristian:


I am only telling you the truth! How will you believe God performed a ritual with his son just to save other humans?

This doesn't make sense!

God is not a murderer, ritualist,...

I think you're the one Paul was referring to in Galatians 3:1.

Dear Antichristian
Am very happy and glad to av a chance with u today...I av always av a question I am bn curious to ask u...I trust u to provide an accurate answer devoid of controversy
Here is the question...
In my study of the Holy Quran...I discovered something that made me curious

In translation and etymology of the word Allah...it's in plural form and not singular...and wen Allah wants to talk about himself to Muhammad (S.A.W)...it is always "We" plural and not "I" singular...
I need u to educate me please
Thank u

Emusan:


The word is God!

John pictures that with the story of Adam and Eve in the garden.

Let me give you small Bible study on that.

Firstly, The first COUPLE lived alone in the Garden. The two are to be viewed as ONE
>>>Gen 2:24 - In the garden, two persons, the man and the woman, "became one flesh"
>>>Gen 5:1-2
"God created man" (singular)
"He made him" (singular)
"Named them man" (singular)
Yet it says:
"He created THEM male and female" (plural)
"He blessed THEM" (plural)
"and Named THEM" (plural)
"They were created" (plural)
NOTE: The name EVE wasn't given to the woman not until after the fall, so both Male and the female were collectively called MAN.

Secondly, Gen 1:26-27
"Let us make man" (singular)
"God created man" (singular)
"He created him" (singular)
In contrast the same text also says:
"....let them rule" (plural)
"Male and female he created THEM" (plural)

Lastly, Jesus refers to the first couple and after stating "they were one flesh" adds "they are no longer two"

In line of this, would it be wise to say: In the garden was the woman, the woman was with the man and the woman was A MAN?

Intellectual mind knows this is a wrong rendition because it will put the woman as A MALE which will be confused as the FIRST MALE.

So the best way to understand that even though both the male and the female were both collectively called "MAN" "them" e.t.c is to render it as: In the garden was the woman, the woman was with the man and the woman was MAN

Here intellectual mind knows that the woman was addressed as MAN per her NATURE.

So John 1:1 shows two separate persons with one NATURE (God).

Do you understand?

Bible study 101

Dear Emusan
I must confess u are not far from the truth...ur analogy was impressive and ACCURATE...I am impressed...keep it up

But
You don't need to add Bible study 101...pls,it make it look like debate or a winner/loser thingy...please think about it...thank u.

Maynman:


And you are this dumb?
Lying to defend your deity, just like Muslim taqqiya, weak like that cannanite Yahweh.
If not for dumbness, Old Testament was written In “cannanite language”, I didn’t know Moses later got to Canaan

Wat perspective do u think people are viewing ur replies from?...some who is confused or out of stock?...
U are just unbelievable a d I hope and pray that ur not irredeemable also...
You are in my prayers...and I am trusting God on ur behalf

Maynman:


After you tell me the tribes of “Hebrew” and “paleo Hebrew” you will now tell me the tribe of “proto sinaitic script. Laughing stock, your ignorance is IRRITATING.

Fortunately,I studied and graduated with B A Linguistics from a prestigious University...it became an added advantage to me...I wud av love to school u on the history of languages and language family and their initial geographical area and their spread which led to dialects (variants of the same language). But I gave u an assignment me...digest...then ur question and response will show me whether or not ur ready to learn cos I don't like wasting my time over people who are critics but don't wanna learn...
Will be waiting in a month time

MaxInDHouse:


None of the above was misinterpreted, it's just a matter of updates in English language while most churchgoers stick to the 15th century English KJV.


But as for misinterpretation the opening words of John's gospel account was erroneously mistranslated.

"In the beginning WAS the word and the word WAS with God and the word WAS God"

@ verse 18 of the same chapter we read:

"No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him"

So is the word GOD or someone beside GOD?

Dear MaxinDHouse
You are half way correct...u would av bn more correct if u had used bossom of God instead of beside God...it distorted the meaning.
And the meaning of Philippians 2:6 is also distorted by meaning.
[6]Though he was God,
    he did not think of equality with God
    as something to cling to.

Now,here is the meaning of John 1:1,18 and Philippians 2:6
Before the incarnation of the man Jesus...he was know as the Word of God...the question is,if he is the Word of God ..where does he reside? That was wat John 1:20 answered...He lived in the bossom of God. Another question is can u separate a man from his word? That is wat John 1:1 answered by saying "he was God". Another question is why was passed tense used "WAS God"?...that is what John 1:14 and Philippians 2:6-7 gave an answer to...for the first time...the word became flesh John 1:14 and took on a lowly form by being born of and by human being Philippians 2:7...He was for the first time separated from the Father in whom he reside and let go of being in God or equal to God .
The last question is "was Jesus equal with God i.e the Father"?...Here is wat the equality means...let me first quote out the verse then explain
Philippians 2:6
[6]Though he was God,
    he did not think of equality with God
    as something to cling to.

"Though he was God,"
Like I explained above the past tense...was God but now human

"He did not think of equality with God as something to cling to"

Like I explained above ..since he reside IN THE BOSSOM of God as the word, he enjoyed all the privilege attributed to God...but for the sake of man...he had to let go of this privilege of bn attributed as God due to his residence in God...but for us he had to let God...

God who is the Father is the one and only true God and Jesus is his precious gift he had to let go to save us humans and that was retrated in John 3:16
[16]“For this is how God loved the world: He gave his one and only Son, so that everyone who believes in him will not perish but have eternal life.

This is awesome and worthy
You are loved